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Post Post #459 (isolation #200) » Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:33 am

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bye aureal!! good effort to turn things around, really unlucky to get hit with the guilty

we will avenge your death

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Post Post #461 (isolation #201) » Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:20 pm

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i feel like there maybe has to be some town way of passing the active dreamer role off to someone else

bc otherwise what is the dreamer supposed to do if we find them and just keep them alive and keep stealing their dreams? there's no real counterplay to that besides just let yourself get elimmed which is pretty bad

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Post Post #462 (isolation #202) » Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:39 pm

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oh jk i forgot this aspect of our role lol
That player will lose the ability to become a dreamer going forward, and a new dreamer will be randomly rolled from the list of all potential dreamers.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #203) » Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:51 pm

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thats balanced as is then

still leaning prism kill for tonight but open to other possibilities

i don't think prism gets elimmed here. possibly catgirls or kyoko turn on her after a town flip but it's a gamble

actiondan probable dreamer, maybe possible lim?
catgirls difficult lim in general but possible here
von payne decently likely lim
kyoko likely lim
ydrasse somewhat unlikely lim here due to role
enchant unlikely lim due to associations

we need 2 miselims. kyoko i think is one of them. von payne or catgirls probably the other. kyoko slightly softed at a role which is mildly concerning but we may be able to push her through it

feels like we have a shockingly large amount of room to work with here despite a guilty. probably means there's gonna be some role bs that gets in our way

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Post Post #465 (isolation #204) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:11 pm

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we might want to aim to reveal one that looks scumsided and won't win the vote this time so that we can know if we want to choose it if we gain control of the dreaming

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Post Post #468 (isolation #205) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:44 pm

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yeah

wdym check? i don't think ydra is the dreamer, the reveal is likely a separate power. i think it's dan

he's had a lot of reactions that make sense specifically as the dreamer and it's honestly kind of dumb of me that i didn't see it d1

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Post Post #470 (isolation #206) » Fri Mar 22, 2024 2:11 pm

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that sounds pretty good to me

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Post Post #472 (isolation #207) » Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:21 pm

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left out a :blossom: tag for the first time in 1781 because i think it adds a note of emotional frustration and firing things off quickly to the response

nobody will notice or care. sad

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Post Post #473 (isolation #208) » Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:44 pm

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sigh i should really ask for a fakeclaim we might massclaim at some point

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Post Post #474 (isolation #209) » Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:53 pm

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pretty sure in general, PRs can't be dreamers, and VTs can

so we know prism is vt but i think we don't care

hopefully that isn't a mistake



probable or known PRs are: von payne, ydra, kyoko, enchant

probable dreamer: actiondan

probable vts: catgirls

that seems surprising? and like one of those PRs has to be scum. so maybe @ravens it's better for you to claim deep sleeper/vt and people will tear apart the PR pool searching for scum

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Post Post #475 (isolation #210) » Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:54 pm

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we probably kill enchant next

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Post Post #476 (isolation #211) » Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:55 pm

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and if we correctly get dan then dreamer either goes to catgirls or to ravens and so we 100% have control of the dreaming again tomorrow

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Post Post #477 (isolation #212) » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:00 pm

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i think i should be ready to claim a weak investigative in case kyoko is the only one, because then she may get semi-cleared off being the only one

if kyoko and enchant both are investigative, then i want to claim something low power, maybe something that interacts with the dreaming

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Post Post #479 (isolation #213) » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:36 pm

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oof okay thats kinda rough

i guess maybe it was kyoko actually

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Post Post #480 (isolation #214) » Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:51 am

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any thought on discards? no 9dea which of these are pro-town lol

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Post Post #481 (isolation #215) » Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:56 pm

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sunflower votes for disco ball, tower, waterfall




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Post Post #483 (isolation #216) » Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:30 am

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eugh all of these dreams are so gross and protown
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Post Post #485 (isolation #217) » Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:41 pm

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it's definitely good not to use it yeah, and very believable that you wouldn't as town, since it's most useful with 1 scum left

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Post Post #486 (isolation #218) » Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:36 pm

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In post 15, Sunflower wrote: the other thing is that a lot of them are huge aggressive tunnelers.

and i think we're as a team likely to naturally fall all around the null range for people here

so i think ideally the play is that we chill and the strong voices overlook us and find somewhere else to latch onto and tear each other apart
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Post Post #488 (isolation #219) » Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:58 pm

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LMAOOOOO
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Post Post #489 (isolation #220) » Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:59 pm

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it's kyoko isnt it
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Post Post #491 (isolation #221) » Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:25 am

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honestly all of this is surreal as fuck
i think if i were town here id probably have stronger reads but its literally a town free for all at this point
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Post Post #492 (isolation #222) » Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:29 am

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dreamer is catgirl?????
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Post Post #493 (isolation #223) » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:10 am

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yeah seems to be

the give to ravens is still strange but possible

i guess they want it on someone who isn't gonna get nightkilled

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Post Post #494 (isolation #224) » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:20 am

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still sad i got baited by actiondan sigh wp wp

catgirls was my second choice for dreamer originally

im actually historically quite bad at PR guessing but every time im so confident anyway

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Post Post #495 (isolation #225) » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:08 pm

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Sorry ravens…… this is war
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Post Post #499 (isolation #226) » Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:37 am

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assuming dreamer is the same person that they've been from the beginning of the game,

- we know 100% it isn't enchant
- we know 100% it isn't actiondan

if town PRs are all incapable of being the dreamer (we don't know this for sure, all we have pointing to this is dragon flipping non-deep sleeper and Aureal's role which hunts for deep sleepers. but my guess has been that even if some PRs are deep sleepers, the initial dreamer likely doesn't have any additional powers)

- we know kyoko is an inventor
- we know von payne is the hood creator
- we know ydra is a PR. 90% she's the one revealing the dreams publicly. personally i think this doesn't make sense as a power the dreamer would also have? it seems pretty clearly meant to help out the dreamer, and that's how she's using it also


so the only slot left is catgirls

i feel very safe making the first assumption that the dreamer hasn't changed

there's technically a chance it could be von payne or ydra and i am like not great at setup design mech or balance but it seems a lot less likely to me

it's also possible that ydra is masterminding and baiting us into thinking she's the one who revealed the slide when actually someone else (actiondan, catgirls, enchant/gimli) just granted her wish of wanting to see the slide and now she's pretending that's her role when she is actually in fact the dreamer

this actually seems more possible than i initially thought. she would probably do something along these lines, she likes being clever with pr stuff. i guess that's worth considering

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Post Post #500 (isolation #227) » Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:38 am

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ill reread some stuff to see how plausible that feels

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Post Post #501 (isolation #228) » Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:47 am

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hmmm i don't really believe it from the way she talked about her role but it is unfortunately plausible

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Post Post #504 (isolation #229) » Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:22 pm

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i think alisae hates me
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Post Post #506 (isolation #230) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:20 am

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In post 505, GuyInFreezer wrote: So is Enchant/Gimli dreamer or am I missing something.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #231) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:22 am

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IF THIS LIM ON VON PAYNE GOES THROUGH IM GONNA SCREAM LMAO
von payne more convenient for us tbh but i need to think abt it more
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Post Post #511 (isolation #232) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:41 pm

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i kinda doubt there's a straight up tracker but we do have to be concerned about the watcher 1shot tonight

im not sure who that would have been given to

possibly AD? someone that the dreamer thinks is town but that also won't get nightkilled

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Post Post #512 (isolation #233) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:31 pm

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which maybe means we should nightkill there lol

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Post Post #513 (isolation #234) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:32 pm

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i think i went too aggressive in defending myself against black

it's pretty classic scum who believes they shouldn't be caught and gets annoyed at town for having bad logic

i was in too much of a hurry and didn't think enough about the approach. sloppy

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Post Post #515 (isolation #235) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 2:21 am

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:sunny: i still dont see how pushing silver ravens is advantageous. every single time i open up the thread im like god damn it why'd i get myself into this situation. why did i do this to myself
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Post Post #516 (isolation #236) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:08 pm

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ok interesting to note that kyoko was in fact a deep sleeper and thus was capable of being a dreamer

so i guess some PRs are able to be dreamer

makes sense, it probably would be broken for it to be that easy to dreamer hunt in the endgame

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Post Post #517 (isolation #237) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:37 pm

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oh god i just remembered we have a 3 day night phase with von payne and catgirls and one new person that we have to survive lmao

i should probably have a plan for that

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Post Post #521 (isolation #238) » Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:05 pm

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In post 519, Cabd wrote: The sheer elation of being able to double-jump
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Post Post #523 (isolation #239) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:51 am

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i think we want to kill whoever of [ydra, actiondan, enchant] we think is least likely to get watched

bc we're not planning to miselim any of them and literally all that matters here is that we don't get mechanically caught

i honestly would maybe vote for actiondan since it's the least expected. what do you think?

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Post Post #524 (isolation #240) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:53 am

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In post 476, Sunflower wrote: and if we correctly get dan then dreamer either goes to catgirls or to ravens and so we 100% have control of the dreaming again tomorrow

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this is absolutely not true btw lmao im so dumb

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Post Post #525 (isolation #241) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:27 am

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In post 523, Sunflower wrote: i think we want to kill whoever of [ydra, actiondan, enchant] we think is least likely to get watched

bc we're not planning to miselim any of them and literally all that matters here is that we don't get mechanically caught

i honestly would maybe vote for actiondan since it's the least expected. what do you think?

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Post Post #530 (isolation #242) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:55 pm

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that all sounds pretty good to me, i like the post.

i would rephrase "ydrasse seems to be telling the truth about her role" since she hasn't claimed. you should lead with something more like "we're working under the assumption that ydrasse is the one who reveals dreams"

keep in mind also that (dunn, i think) responded to her initial soft negatively, so he didn't believe it at first

also, do you have a solid motivation for wanting to claim at daystart, even before the hijack took place?

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Post Post #531 (isolation #243) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:58 pm

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In post 520, morph the cat wrote:
In post 502, morph the cat wrote:
In post 497, Silver Ravens wrote:
In post 2, morph the cat wrote: In your dreams
: Once per night, you can choose a player to investigate and learn if they are the current Dreamer or not. If the player is the Dreamer, then you will hijack the dreamer's chosen dream and choose any one of the day's other five dreams OR any dream in the Discard Pile
to activate for the night instead. That player will lose the ability to become a dreamer going forward, and a new dreamer will be randomly rolled from the list of all potential dreamers. See the Game-Specific Rules in the Game Thread for more about dreaming.
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Can we see what a pm sent to a Dreamer targeted by this ability would look like?

The message would look like:

"You are no longer the dreamer. However, you retain your ability to sleep deeply and could have the opportunity to dream again."

The above is incorrect and not what the message would look like. It would look like this:

"You are no longer the dreamer and have lost the ability to sleep deeply for the rest of the game. You cannot become the dreamer again."
would this occur at the start of Moonrise, or the start of Day?


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Post Post #532 (isolation #244) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:00 pm

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i assumed the dreamer wouldn't know they'd been hijacked until thread locks at the end of moonrise. if that's true, you would probably want to claim after that, when day starts

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Post Post #534 (isolation #245) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:35 pm

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got it, thats what i expected, thank you

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Post Post #538 (isolation #246) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:01 pm

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In post 536, Silver Ravens wrote: I don't think this is true. I grilled you for your thoughts on ydrasse, but I never said I didn't believe ydrasse claim; my suspicions on ydrasse were before the claim, and my later suspicions make it clear it is based on play but that I believe their role is towny.
i was thinking of these two posts, which were after she first softed:

viewtopic.php?p=14130198#p14130198

viewtopic.php?p=14130219#p14130219

just was making sure you keep that in mind though and have a ready answer for if someone asks about it

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Post Post #539 (isolation #247) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:04 pm

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In post 537, Silver Ravens wrote:
In post 530, Sunflower wrote: also, do you have a solid motivation for wanting to claim at daystart, even before the hijack took place?
It's limlo so a mass claim is in order. I want to claim before Catgirl Chipotle so it looks like they are counter claiming in response to us being the dreamer, rather than vice versa.
sorry meant a town motivation

i think it definitely makes sense for town!you to want to claim after the hijack, but im not sure if it makes sense as town to have the plan to claim prior to that. i would probably question it personally

if you think town!you would want to massclaim there regardless though then that's fine

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Post Post #540 (isolation #248) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:07 pm

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also make sure you have an answer ready for whether your rolecard says anything special about being the first dreamer, or if you are just a deep sleeper who got randomly chosen from the pool in pregame

idk which one makes more setup sense, you can decide that

actually i think this sentence from the rules:
One member of the Dream Voyagers is selected to be the Dreamer during Pregame, and their identity is not revealed.
implies that it isn't a special role

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Post Post #541 (isolation #249) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:11 pm

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which i guess means that any deep sleeping PR could probably be the dreamer so it isnt necessarily guaranteed to be catgirls sighhh

although we've only seen one non-deep-sleeping PR so i would imagine there's more than one?

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Post Post #547 (isolation #250) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:41 pm

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okkkkkkk right account
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Post Post #548 (isolation #251) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:34 pm

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Sunflower uses In Your Dreams on Catgirl Chipotle
Silver Ravens kills ActionDan
Bad Dreams reveal "A bold knight..."


open to suggestions on the dream choice

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Post Post #549 (isolation #252) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:23 am

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@dunn @gif please advise

thoughts on me having a role that's something along the lines of "each night you may target a player. if your target is a Bad Dream, any non-killing action they attempt to perform this night will be blocked"?

is that like very unbalanced or anything, im bad at setup and roles and balance

it seems like reasonably low power to me. and also fits with all 3 players ive visited (gimli, actiondan, catgirls). the question i guess is whether it's believable that it would actually be included in the setup. or if there's something im overlooking that makes it unbalanced

or if it's like very obviously a scum fakeclaim lmao

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Post Post #552 (isolation #253) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:01 am

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woahhhh dunnstral your profile picture is cool
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Post Post #553 (isolation #254) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:23 am

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i believe dreams that have been used already don't go in the discard pile. so we can't do a sheep repeat as fun as that would be

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Post Post #557 (isolation #255) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:14 pm

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gonna be so real right now don't expect anything from me for the rest of the game unless someone argues with me directly, i'm gonna drop dream theories and that's it. no more solving
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Post Post #558 (isolation #256) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:22 pm

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In post 556, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 551, Dunnstral wrote: I don't think you need to claim to have a power role, but GiF likes the doctor claim.
We have the fakeclaim right here too anyway.
hmmm idk i don't feel like we've played like a doctor or visited people that i would doctor

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Post Post #560 (isolation #257) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:59 pm

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not if i suspect them. and i wouldn't necessarily be dreamer hunting, can't really imagine that i would ever use the role that way

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Post Post #561 (isolation #258) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:00 pm

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im gonna cry if ydra is dreamer and has been bluffing btw

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Post Post #562 (isolation #259) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:28 pm

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In post 561, Sunflower wrote: im gonna cry if ydra is dreamer and has been bluffing btw

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it actually doesn't really matter THAT much for win% but i would just be sad to have been so thoroughly fooled. and a little impressed

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Post Post #564 (isolation #260) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:32 pm

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LET'S GOOOO

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Post Post #565 (isolation #261) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:32 pm

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what the fuck is ydra then

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Post Post #567 (isolation #262) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:38 pm

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okay, will do ty

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Post Post #568 (isolation #263) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:39 pm

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uhhh
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Post Post #571 (isolation #264) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:42 pm

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ye i think we're set up well i have good hopes

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Post Post #580 (isolation #265) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:28 am

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im happy to do whatever you want to do, i trust your judgment

so the idea will be that catgirls cc'd because they knew they could hijack, but then decided to choose a different dream rather than one that would "confirm" themselves? maybe because they thought they would be dead either way, and wanted to get power instead?

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Post Post #581 (isolation #266) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:34 am

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@mod, to clarify, can the double vote only be activated at the start of day and then it's active for the whole day? or can a player vote normally at first with it inactive, and then choose to activate it at some point in the middle of the day?


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Post Post #584 (isolation #267) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:52 am

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it might, although if they can pick the vi dream why wouldn't they just pick the top dream directly?

since supposedly they hijacked last night and chose the tower

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Post Post #590 (isolation #268) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:32 am

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sunflower votes knight, double jump, mr beast


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Post Post #591 (isolation #269) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:36 am

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In post 589, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Discard Prio: Knight > Lottery > Double Jump > etc

Sunflower hijacks and pick Vi dream to pick crank it to 12 dream
confirming these

still want to know when the double vote can be activated though. if it's an all-day thing i think that's not as useful? since it's kinda outing

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Post Post #593 (isolation #270) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:34 am

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excellent

yea let's do that then

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Post Post #594 (isolation #271) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:52 am

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In post 553, Sunflower wrote: i believe dreams that have been used already don't go in the discard pile. so we can't do a sheep repeat as fun as that would be

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Post Post #597 (isolation #272) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:25 am

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i don't think so. it doesn't say we become the dreamer, we just hijack their dreaming and are able to choose a dream

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Post Post #598 (isolation #273) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:36 pm

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Image

being scum is fun

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Post Post #599 (isolation #274) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:48 pm

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sometimes being in this chat feels like you guys are like
hold up let me think of an analogy
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Post Post #600 (isolation #275) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:49 pm

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you guys are just like constantly diabolical like evil wizards in dark towers with the crack of thunder
and im just silly
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Post Post #601 (isolation #276) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:49 pm

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In post 589, GuyInFreezer wrote: Sunflower hijacks and pick Vi dream to pick crank it to 12 dream
why are we doing this
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Post Post #602 (isolation #277) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:49 pm

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whats the purpose of vi
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Post Post #603 (isolation #278) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:50 pm

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In post 600, Sunflower wrote: you guys are just like constantly diabolical like evil wizards in dark towers with the crack of thunder
and im just silly
it's like the dark tower vs daisy fields dichotomy from last game lol

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Post Post #604 (isolation #279) » Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:55 pm

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In post 1720, Black wrote: When Dann and fire are interacting I always picture two evil masterminds plotting in some dark lair at the top of a mountain, just smirking and giggling
In post 2259, JupiterXV wrote: i just wanted to say im glad we have other players here otherwise hellbooks tris fire and i would probably be holding hands and skippimg about in the daisies
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Post Post #612 (isolation #280) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:52 am

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In post 604, Sunflower wrote:
In post 1720, Black wrote: When Dann and fire are interacting I always picture two evil masterminds plotting in some dark lair at the top of a mountain, just smirking and giggling
In post 2259, JupiterXV wrote: i just wanted to say im glad we have other players here otherwise hellbooks tris fire and i would probably be holding hands and skippimg about in the daisies
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Post Post #613 (isolation #281) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:52 am

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In post 607, morph the cat wrote:
Silver Ravens is the new Dreamer.
this luck is INSANE WTFFF
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Post Post #614 (isolation #282) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:52 am

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actually there might just not be anymore deep sleepers to dream
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Post Post #616 (isolation #283) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:55 am

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SEND IT TO US MEOWWW
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Post Post #618 (isolation #284) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:57 am

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:sunny: think i'm gonna return to thread sometime later since I'm feeling like I should be able to handle the game now, might cook something up
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Post Post #619 (isolation #285) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:58 am

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In post 617, Silver Ravens wrote: I think there is a decent chance that we had high priority to receive the dreamer as the vanilla mafia member. If I waited a bit longer before posting I could have cut out the part where we claim we lost the dreamer, but overall it doesn't really matter for our game plan
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Post Post #622 (isolation #286) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:04 am

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OH lovely then
you think it's a good idea to send it to you guys then
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Post Post #623 (isolation #287) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:05 am

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might cook up a theory about how it's von payne/silver ravens and this is silver ravens trying to pull attention away from von payne
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Post Post #624 (isolation #288) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:09 am

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In post 623, Sunflower wrote: might cook up a theory about how it's von payne/silver ravens and this is silver ravens trying to pull attention away from von payne
i think catgirls might like this one
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Post Post #626 (isolation #289) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:14 am

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alright!!!
sending the double vote to silver ravens :3
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Post Post #627 (isolation #290) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:18 am

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:sunny: hi, jupiter here! havent been in thread in a hot minute but i've skimmed a bit, i got two theories for you
first, the semi-reasonable one:
silver ravens/von payne, silver ravens drawing attention away from von.
second, the tinfoil one
silver ravens/catgirls
i think the catgirls slot is dubiously scum like ive generally always townread them
but i was thinking and it's like. dreamer is always town right. if they're telling the truth here then one of them must be scum while the other must be town. but what if they're both scum. there's never a world where they're tvt because its like. why in the world would a non-dreamer cc a dreamer, or why would a non-dreamer claim dreamer yk. so what im thinking is that in a w/w world the idea path is to get one of them limmed, get towncred for the rest of the game. it's really good to set up for deepwolf and idk it's a possibility i've been thinking about the more i read
yall think this is a good enough post
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Post Post #628 (isolation #291) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:19 am

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as town i come up with the most batshit insane partner theories and usually for no reason but this one might just be scummy so um
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Post Post #631 (isolation #292) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:42 am

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yippeeeee time to get SILLY >:3
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Post Post #633 (isolation #293) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:44 am

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In post 632, Silver Ravens wrote: You don't need to go all in but you can think about putting a vote on catgirl soon with reasoning.

We haven't received the double vote yet so don't know how to activate it, want to make sure we use it correctly

I'm stepping away for now

Eliminating Catgirl Chipotle is better than eliminating Von Payne
yup, i'm considering putting a vote on you for the time being and i assume that fire will come in later and switch it
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Post Post #638 (isolation #294) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:22 am

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In post 636, Silver Ravens wrote: I think that this is a bad idea, we can win the game right now if your vote is on Catgirl Chipotle. Even if Ydrasse stops a kill they will first eliminate us and then von payne, in all likelyhood
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Post Post #639 (isolation #295) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:23 am

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In post 2811, Sunflower wrote:
In post 2803, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
In post 2800, Sunflower wrote: sorry i rescind my partner theory on catgirls/silver ravens, the first dreamer is always town
Jupiter, your post made me smile.
It’s also very obviously a townslip.
woahh does that mean you don't think im annoying anymore??? yippee
ALSO LMAOOOO THEY THINKI TOWNSLIPPED LETS GOOOOO :strong::strong::strong::strong::strong::strong:
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Post Post #640 (isolation #296) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:23 am

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what
doeps the emoji not work
:muscle: ?
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Post Post #641 (isolation #297) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:23 am

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hell yeah
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Post Post #644 (isolation #298) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:28 am

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i certainly can't, but fire probably can. idk if he's here tho
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Post Post #645 (isolation #299) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:44 am

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HOLY SHIT YOU'RE CONVINCING VON PAYNE
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Post Post #646 (isolation #300) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:18 am

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gamers this is not looking too hot
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Post Post #647 (isolation #301) » Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:32 am

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really convenient that we didnt activate the double vote
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Post Post #648 (isolation #302) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:38 am

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UHHHH

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Post Post #650 (isolation #303) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:39 am

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ok yea not trying to slow roll but just want to be safe

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Post Post #651 (isolation #304) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:48 am

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i think that if we are trying to coordinate then you should activate double vote prior to me placing the vote in thread? so that it's active at the time of my vote

once we decide we're gonna do that

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Post Post #654 (isolation #305) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:02 am

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yo are you around? i think i might do it soon

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Post Post #655 (isolation #306) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:02 am

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lol hi
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Post Post #657 (isolation #307) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:05 am

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i'll let you know when i have the post ready
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Post Post #658 (isolation #308) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:09 am

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:sunny: it's a me mario
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Post Post #659 (isolation #309) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:15 am

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In post 656, Silver Ravens wrote: I'm here, tell me if you want me to activate it
ok ready, give me a time on the clock and we'll try to time it together just in case

ill hit post as soon as i see your activation in here
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Post Post #663 (isolation #310) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:16 am

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ok
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Post Post #664 (isolation #311) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:16 am

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ready
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Post Post #665 (isolation #312) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:16 am

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:333
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Post Post #666 (isolation #313) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:16 am

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lets go scumteam lets go scumteam meowwwww
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Post Post #668 (isolation #314) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:17 am

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YIPPEEE
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Post Post #669 (isolation #315) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:17 am

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OKAYYY

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Post Post #670 (isolation #316) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:18 am

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LETS GOOOOO
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Post Post #671 (isolation #317) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:18 am

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THE THREAD EVEN GOT LOCKED LETS GOOOOOO
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Post Post #672 (isolation #318) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:19 am

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LET'S GOOOOO

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Post Post #673 (isolation #319) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:21 am

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ok so how to approach twilight
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Post Post #674 (isolation #320) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:22 am

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hopefully there isn't one lmao

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Post Post #676 (isolation #321) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:23 am

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yeah probably

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Post Post #677 (isolation #322) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:23 am

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im gonna cry if it isn't over

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Post Post #678 (isolation #323) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:25 am

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it's been a pleasure ravens

thank you for your brilliant mech wizardry at the end here idk how you pulled that off but it carried us

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Post Post #679 (isolation #324) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:27 am

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MEOWWW
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Post Post #680 (isolation #325) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:28 am

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RAUUUGHHHH please let it be over please please please please please pleae please lpeas epleas eplea please please please please please im begging please please please
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Post Post #681 (isolation #326) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:28 am

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IM BEGGING
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Post Post #682 (isolation #327) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:29 am

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JUPITER IM SCARED

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Post Post #683 (isolation #328) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:31 am

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IM BEGGING
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Post Post #684 (isolation #329) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:31 am

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fire i am ON MY FUCKING KNEES FIRE IM ON MY FUCKIGN KNEES IM ON MY KNEES IM ON MY FUCKIGN KNEES
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Post Post #685 (isolation #330) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:32 am

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i think it's so funny btw how we just casually never claimed and nobody cared

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Post Post #687 (isolation #331) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:35 am

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yeah i think my running theory is you were just waiting for unsuspecting town to vote

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Post Post #688 (isolation #332) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:36 am

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FUCK

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Post Post #689 (isolation #333) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:38 am

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well i never said it was hammer so lol
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Post Post #691 (isolation #334) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:41 am

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we probably should not have done that honestly

could've slowrolled

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Post Post #694 (isolation #335) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:46 am

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ok
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Post Post #695 (isolation #336) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:51 am

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sigh we should have been safe

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Post Post #697 (isolation #337) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:54 am

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yeah but we didn't need to risk

could have won by just playing normally

my bad

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Post Post #699 (isolation #338) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:56 am

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wait i just remembered

ravens is the dreamer

so if we like pull some crazy dream then we have a chance even if we miss on the nightkill

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Post Post #700 (isolation #339) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:56 am

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yeah lol

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Post Post #702 (isolation #340) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:01 am

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nah mentally ive already accepted that we lost tbh

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Post Post #703 (isolation #341) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:01 am

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NOOOO WE WIN WE WIN WE WIN THIS!!!!!
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Post Post #704 (isolation #342) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:01 am

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thats not the way a WINNER thinks is it
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Post Post #705 (isolation #343) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:02 am

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it's time to win this game you silly goose
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Post Post #706 (isolation #344) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:02 am

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im not a winner :c

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Post Post #707 (isolation #345) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:05 am

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WELL I AM AND SINCE WE'RE HYDRAING TOGETHER YES WE ARE
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Post Post #708 (isolation #346) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:32 pm

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ydra says her role won't save things and i 0% believe her

i also think she's still scumreading us

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Post Post #711 (isolation #347) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:55 pm

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oh my god.....
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Post Post #712 (isolation #348) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:55 pm

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im not ready for this night phase
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Post Post #713 (isolation #349) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:46 pm

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so who carries the kill

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Post Post #714 (isolation #350) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:14 pm

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dont we have strongman
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Post Post #715 (isolation #351) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:14 pm

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fuck
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Post Post #716 (isolation #352) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:35 pm

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we dont
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Post Post #718 (isolation #353) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:20 am

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that was my instinct as well

i was in a game with ydra where the scum team (which ydra was on) had to decide who carried the kill against a role blocker and they decided to wifom and give it to the outted scum and then got roleblocked

idk if that actually changes anything but i keep thinking about it

i think i prefer it

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Post Post #719 (isolation #354) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:34 am

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we're not using our action since you're the dreamer

reveal hmm idk, hail mary maybe?

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Post Post #721 (isolation #355) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:53 am

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i'm going to be annoying and whimsical in thread and crank up my silly goofy goober vibes up to a 100 but actually i think that might not help us in the slightest beyond motivating ydrasse to roleblock us
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Post Post #722 (isolation #356) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:46 am

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y'all can submit actions when you're ready

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Post Post #724 (isolation #357) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:37 pm

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yea sure let's do it

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Post Post #728 (isolation #358) » Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:43 pm

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In post 723, Silver Ravens wrote: Reveal That is a really, really, REALLY big waterfall. I bet I could meditate under it!
im praying i was right about this im praying i was right about this
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Post Post #731 (isolation #359) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:17 am

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IM PRAYING FOR THAT DW

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Post Post #732 (isolation #360) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:36 am

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please end the game i don't want to think about my mistakes anymore

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Post Post #733 (isolation #361) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:36 am

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In post 729, Silver Ravens wrote: Not sure if this is intended but you haven't sent in fast night in here
oh yea we sent it in pm

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Post Post #734 (isolation #362) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:44 pm

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please please please please please

i don't want to live with my mistakes

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Post Post #736 (isolation #363) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:01 pm

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gamers its so over
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Post Post #737 (isolation #364) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:02 pm

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ITS SO OVER
PLEASE LET US WIN
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Post Post #738 (isolation #365) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:11 pm

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we chose wrong :<

im gonna cry

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Post Post #740 (isolation #366) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:54 pm

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yeah

idk what could be

haven't seen anything that feels vig-like. possibly trigonometry? or hail mary sounds maybe like it could be vengeful? is that wishful thinking

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Post Post #747 (isolation #367) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:11 pm

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In post 741, Silver Ravens wrote: Post 700 is a vote count where we are voting for you, you are voting for Gimli, and Aureal is the only known mafia voting for Hu Tao.
elaborate?
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Post Post #748 (isolation #368) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:28 pm

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Vote: Hail Mary, Trigonometry
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Post Post #757 (isolation #369) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:16 pm

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yeah go trig i guess

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Post Post #761 (isolation #370) » Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:45 am

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did someone in town forget to vote for dreams
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Post Post #762 (isolation #371) » Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:51 am

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i am actually not sure whether i am more or less silly during towngames because i've only had two (technically three but that one doesn't count) and one of them was a hydra game on here
but fire says i shouldn't be emulating my towngame so i guess it's time to lock in during ELO
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Post Post #769 (isolation #372) » Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:51 am

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damn we cant catch a break huh
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Post Post #773 (isolation #373) » Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:10 pm

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SILVER RAVENS I MISS YOUUUUUUU
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Post Post #774 (isolation #374) » Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:21 pm

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i think we might actually stand a chance tbh
i think i'll crank up the activity and win the fuck out of this elo, i hope
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Post Post #775 (isolation #375) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:06 pm

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forgot to ask ravens for thoughts on this but i think we don't use our power to steal dreams here

hmm i dunno

it's very unlikely to affect things in the next gameday. and if there was another hijack it just kinda... draws attention to things more than we need it to?

von payne as a wolf also would not know for sure who was dreamer

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Post Post #776 (isolation #376) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:24 pm

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im still pondering who to kill here. i think either way it's best to plant the seeds of thought about nk wifom openly and early since that gives us the most options

generally i lean towards leaving ydra alive it's just a question of if that's manageable to pull off without her getting cold feet and re-evaluating

enchant is leaning towards it being us and is stubborn and hard to convince which makes them more of a gamble but kinda high risk high reward

ydra can see into my soul and knows that i would rather have someone i can talk to in elo. she has also seen me as scum in elo before

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Post Post #777 (isolation #377) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:16 am

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i think enchant thinks they should be clear because they're the dreamer rn. which isn't how it works but anyway i think that's probably why they think they'd get nightkilled?

but from a pov of scum von payne, we could potentially be deep sleeping, so we could be the dreamer. we as town would know enchant is dreamer, but von payne would not

im not like entirely sure what enchant is thinking here but hopefully "hey think about it" is enough to prompt

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Post Post #778 (isolation #378) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:37 am

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In post 777, Sunflower wrote: i think enchant thinks they should be clear because they're the dreamer rn. which isn't how it works but anyway i think that's probably why they think they'd get nightkilled?

but from a pov of scum von payne, we could potentially be deep sleeping, so we could be the dreamer. we as town would know enchant is dreamer, but von payne would not

im not like entirely sure what enchant is thinking here but hopefully "hey think about it" is enough to prompt

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Post Post #779 (isolation #379) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:38 am

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didn’t even consider that enchant could be dreamer
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Post Post #780 (isolation #380) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:06 am

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unironically I'm so confident rn
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Post Post #781 (isolation #381) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:06 am

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This is really sad I think I slipped
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Post Post #782 (isolation #382) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:06 am

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nvm fire told me it wasnt one
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Post Post #783 (isolation #383) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:58 pm

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sunflower kills ydrasse


putting this here for now may change it later

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Post Post #784 (isolation #384) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:05 pm

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honestly no clue why anyone is townreading us

maybe i have trust issues but i still think ydra is lying about thinking it's von payne in order to bait us into leaving her alive and then she can bwhaha pull the rug out and vote us

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Post Post #785 (isolation #385) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:08 pm

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In post 781, Sunflower wrote: This is really sad I think I slipped
pats you on the back. you're the towniest player in this game go get em tiger

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Post Post #786 (isolation #386) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:07 am

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In post 785, Sunflower wrote:
In post 781, Sunflower wrote: This is really sad I think I slipped
pats you on the back. you're the towniest player in this game go get em tiger

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LMFAOOOOO
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Post Post #787 (isolation #387) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:08 am

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In post 784, Sunflower wrote: honestly no clue why anyone is townreading us

maybe i have trust issues but i still think ydra is lying about thinking it's von payne in order to bait us into leaving her alive and then she can bwhaha pull the rug out and vote us

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i’m sorry but you absolutely have trust issues

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Post Post #788 (isolation #388) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:11 am

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sunflower kills enchant

reveal lottery

requesting fast night


my bad if wrong

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Post Post #791 (isolation #389) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:22 am

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that's so funny lmao love that

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Post Post #792 (isolation #390) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:27 am

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FUCK LMAO
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Post Post #793 (isolation #391) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:28 am

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I THREW AGAIN LOL
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Post Post #794 (isolation #392) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:29 am

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i should have asked what happens if there's no more potential dreamers
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Post Post #795 (isolation #393) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:27 am

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knew ydra was reaction testing from the start btw but navigating that still almost gave me a heart attack

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Post Post #796 (isolation #394) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:28 am

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GOD I HATE MECH I WANTED TO JUST NEVER CLAIMMMM

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Post Post #797 (isolation #395) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:30 am

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YDRA VOTE

DO IT

FREE MEEE

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Post Post #798 (isolation #396) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:31 am

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reaction to day start was like full improv btw i extremely was not expecting to need to claim

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Post Post #799 (isolation #397) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:45 am

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really riding the "its so over" "we're so back" rollercoaster this game

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Post Post #800 (isolation #398) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:45 am

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ive never felt so doomed in a scumgame except for getting guiltied in warrior cats

and here ive felt it multiple times

pls ydra i wanna win

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Post Post #801 (isolation #399) » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:46 am

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this game has actually been so incredibly sloppy from me AND YET we're almost there

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