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bye aureal!! good effort to turn things around, really unlucky to get hit with the guilty
we will avenge your death
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i feel like there maybe has to be some town way of passing the active dreamer role off to someone else
bc otherwise what is the dreamer supposed to do if we find them and just keep them alive and keep stealing their dreams? there's no real counterplay to that besides just let yourself get elimmed which is pretty bad
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oh jk i forgot this aspect of our role lol
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thats balanced as is then
still leaning prism kill for tonight but open to other possibilities
i don't think prism gets elimmed here. possibly catgirls or kyoko turn on her after a town flip but it's a gamble
actiondan probable dreamer, maybe possible lim?
catgirls difficult lim in general but possible here
von payne decently likely lim
kyoko likely lim
ydrasse somewhat unlikely lim here due to role
enchant unlikely lim due to associations
we need 2 miselims. kyoko i think is one of them. von payne or catgirls probably the other. kyoko slightly softed at a role which is mildly concerning but we may be able to push her through it
feels like we have a shockingly large amount of room to work with here despite a guilty. probably means there's gonna be some role bs that gets in our way
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we might want to aim to reveal one that looks scumsided and won't win the vote this time so that we can know if we want to choose it if we gain control of the dreaming
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yeah
wdym check? i don't think ydra is the dreamer, the reveal is likely a separate power. i think it's dan
he's had a lot of reactions that make sense specifically as the dreamer and it's honestly kind of dumb of me that i didn't see it d1
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that sounds pretty good to me
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left out a tag for the first time in 1781 because i think it adds a note of emotional frustration and firing things off quickly to the response
nobody will notice or care. sad
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sigh i should really ask for a fakeclaim we might massclaim at some point
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pretty sure in general, PRs can't be dreamers, and VTs can
so we know prism is vt but i think we don't care
hopefully that isn't a mistake
probable or known PRs are: von payne, ydra, kyoko, enchant
probable dreamer: actiondan
probable vts: catgirls
that seems surprising? and like one of those PRs has to be scum. so maybe @ravens it's better for you to claim deep sleeper/vt and people will tear apart the PR pool searching for scum
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we probably kill enchant next
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and if we correctly get dan then dreamer either goes to catgirls or to ravens and so we 100% have control of the dreaming again tomorrow
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i think i should be ready to claim a weak investigative in case kyoko is the only one, because then she may get semi-cleared off being the only one
if kyoko and enchant both are investigative, then i want to claim something low power, maybe something that interacts with the dreaming
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oof okay thats kinda rough
i guess maybe it was kyoko actually
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any thought on discards? no 9dea which of these are pro-town lol
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sunflower votes for disco ball, tower, waterfall
discard priority:
disco ball
tower
knight
mr beast
waterfall
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eugh all of these dreams are so gross and protown-
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it's definitely good not to use it yeah, and very believable that you wouldn't as town, since it's most useful with 1 scum left
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blessIn post 15, Sunflower wrote: the other thing is that a lot of them are huge aggressive tunnelers.
and i think we're as a team likely to naturally fall all around the null range for people here
so i think ideally the play is that we chill and the strong voices overlook us and find somewhere else to latch onto and tear each other apart
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it's kyoko isnt it-
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honestly all of this is surreal as fuck
i think if i were town here id probably have stronger reads but its literally a town free for all at this point-
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dreamer is catgirl?????-
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yeah seems to be
the give to ravens is still strange but possible
i guess they want it on someone who isn't gonna get nightkilled
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still sad i got baited by actiondan sigh wp wp
catgirls was my second choice for dreamer originally
im actually historically quite bad at PR guessing but every time im so confident anyway
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Sorry ravens…… this is war-
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assuming dreamer is the same person that they've been from the beginning of the game,
- we know 100% it isn't enchant
- we know 100% it isn't actiondan
if town PRs are all incapable of being the dreamer (we don't know this for sure, all we have pointing to this is dragon flipping non-deep sleeper and Aureal's role which hunts for deep sleepers. but my guess has been that even if some PRs are deep sleepers, the initial dreamer likely doesn't have any additional powers)
- we know kyoko is an inventor
- we know von payne is the hood creator
- we know ydra is a PR. 90% she's the one revealing the dreams publicly. personally i think this doesn't make sense as a power the dreamer would also have? it seems pretty clearly meant to help out the dreamer, and that's how she's using it also
so the only slot left is catgirls
i feel very safe making the first assumption that the dreamer hasn't changed
there's technically a chance it could be von payne or ydra and i am like not great at setup design mech or balance but it seems a lot less likely to me
it's also possible that ydra is masterminding and baiting us into thinking she's the one who revealed the slide when actually someone else (actiondan, catgirls, enchant/gimli) just granted her wish of wanting to see the slide and now she's pretending that's her role when she is actually in fact the dreamer
this actually seems more possible than i initially thought. she would probably do something along these lines, she likes being clever with pr stuff. i guess that's worth considering
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ill reread some stuff to see how plausible that feels
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hmmm i don't really believe it from the way she talked about her role but it is unfortunately plausible
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noIn post 505, GuyInFreezer wrote: So is Enchant/Gimli dreamer or am I missing something.-
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IF THIS LIM ON VON PAYNE GOES THROUGH IM GONNA SCREAM LMAO
von payne more convenient for us tbh but i need to think abt it more-
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i kinda doubt there's a straight up tracker but we do have to be concerned about the watcher 1shot tonight
im not sure who that would have been given to
possibly AD? someone that the dreamer thinks is town but that also won't get nightkilled
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which maybe means we should nightkill there lol
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i think i went too aggressive in defending myself against black
it's pretty classic scum who believes they shouldn't be caught and gets annoyed at town for having bad logic
i was in too much of a hurry and didn't think enough about the approach. sloppy
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i still dont see how pushing silver ravens is advantageous. every single time i open up the thread im like god damn it why'd i get myself into this situation. why did i do this to myself-
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ok interesting to note that kyoko was in fact a deep sleeper and thus was capable of being a dreamer
so i guess some PRs are able to be dreamer
makes sense, it probably would be broken for it to be that easy to dreamer hunt in the endgame
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oh god i just remembered we have a 3 day night phase with von payne and catgirls and one new person that we have to survive lmao
i should probably have a plan for that
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lmfaoIn post 519, Cabd wrote: The sheer elation of being able to double-jump-
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i think we want to kill whoever of [ydra, actiondan, enchant] we think is least likely to get watched
bc we're not planning to miselim any of them and literally all that matters here is that we don't get mechanically caught
i honestly would maybe vote for actiondan since it's the least expected. what do you think?
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this is absolutely not true btw lmao im so dumbIn post 476, Sunflower wrote: and if we correctly get dan then dreamer either goes to catgirls or to ravens and so we 100% have control of the dreaming again tomorrow
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@gif @dunn thoughts?In post 523, Sunflower wrote: i think we want to kill whoever of [ydra, actiondan, enchant] we think is least likely to get watched
bc we're not planning to miselim any of them and literally all that matters here is that we don't get mechanically caught
i honestly would maybe vote for actiondan since it's the least expected. what do you think?
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that all sounds pretty good to me, i like the post.
i would rephrase "ydrasse seems to be telling the truth about her role" since she hasn't claimed. you should lead with something more like "we're working under the assumption that ydrasse is the one who reveals dreams"
keep in mind also that (dunn, i think) responded to her initial soft negatively, so he didn't believe it at first
also, do you have a solid motivation for wanting to claim at daystart, even before the hijack took place?
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In post 520, morph the cat wrote:In post 502, morph the cat wrote:In post 497, Silver Ravens wrote:In post 2, morph the cat wrote: In your dreams
: Once per night, you can choose a player to investigate and learn if they are the current Dreamer or not. If the player is the Dreamer, then you will hijack the dreamer's chosen dream and choose any one of the day's other five dreams OR any dream in the Discard Pile
to activate for the night instead. That player will lose the ability to become a dreamer going forward, and a new dreamer will be randomly rolled from the list of all potential dreamers. See the Game-Specific Rules in the Game Thread for more about dreaming.@Mod
Can we see what a pm sent to a Dreamer targeted by this ability would look like?
The message would look like:
"You are no longer the dreamer. However, you retain your ability to sleep deeply and could have the opportunity to dream again."
The above is incorrect and not what the message would look like. It would look like this:
"You are no longer the dreamer and have lost the ability to sleep deeply for the rest of the game. You cannot become the dreamer again."would this occur at the start of Moonrise, or the start of Day?
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i assumed the dreamer wouldn't know they'd been hijacked until thread locks at the end of moonrise. if that's true, you would probably want to claim after that, when day starts
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got it, thats what i expected, thank you
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i was thinking of these two posts, which were after she first softed:In post 536, Silver Ravens wrote: I don't think this is true. I grilled you for your thoughts on ydrasse, but I never said I didn't believe ydrasse claim; my suspicions on ydrasse were before the claim, and my later suspicions make it clear it is based on play but that I believe their role is towny.
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just was making sure you keep that in mind though and have a ready answer for if someone asks about it
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sorry meant a town motivationIn post 537, Silver Ravens wrote:
It's limlo so a mass claim is in order. I want to claim before Catgirl Chipotle so it looks like they are counter claiming in response to us being the dreamer, rather than vice versa.In post 530, Sunflower wrote: also, do you have a solid motivation for wanting to claim at daystart, even before the hijack took place?
i think it definitely makes sense for town!you to want to claim after the hijack, but im not sure if it makes sense as town to have the plan to claim prior to that. i would probably question it personally
if you think town!you would want to massclaim there regardless though then that's fine
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also make sure you have an answer ready for whether your rolecard says anything special about being the first dreamer, or if you are just a deep sleeper who got randomly chosen from the pool in pregame
idk which one makes more setup sense, you can decide that
actually i think this sentence from the rules:
implies that it isn't a special roleOne member of the Dream Voyagers is selected to be the Dreamer during Pregame, and their identity is not revealed.
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which i guess means that any deep sleeping PR could probably be the dreamer so it isnt necessarily guaranteed to be catgirls sighhh
although we've only seen one non-deep-sleeping PR so i would imagine there's more than one?
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okkkkkkk right account-
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Sunflower uses In Your Dreams on Catgirl Chipotle
Silver Ravens kills ActionDan
Bad Dreams reveal "A bold knight..."
open to suggestions on the dream choice
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@dunn @gif please advise
thoughts on me having a role that's something along the lines of "each night you may target a player. if your target is a Bad Dream, any non-killing action they attempt to perform this night will be blocked"?
is that like very unbalanced or anything, im bad at setup and roles and balance
it seems like reasonably low power to me. and also fits with all 3 players ive visited (gimli, actiondan, catgirls). the question i guess is whether it's believable that it would actually be included in the setup. or if there's something im overlooking that makes it unbalanced
or if it's like very obviously a scum fakeclaim lmao
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woahhhh dunnstral your profile picture is cool-
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i believe dreams that have been used already don't go in the discard pile. so we can't do a sheep repeat as fun as that would be
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gonna be so real right now don't expect anything from me for the rest of the game unless someone argues with me directly, i'm gonna drop dream theories and that's it. no more solving-
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hmmm idk i don't feel like we've played like a doctor or visited people that i would doctorIn post 556, GuyInFreezer wrote:
We have the fakeclaim right here too anyway.In post 551, Dunnstral wrote: I don't think you need to claim to have a power role, but GiF likes the doctor claim.
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not if i suspect them. and i wouldn't necessarily be dreamer hunting, can't really imagine that i would ever use the role that way
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im gonna cry if ydra is dreamer and has been bluffing btw
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it actually doesn't really matter THAT much for win% but i would just be sad to have been so thoroughly fooled. and a little impressed
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