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Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:35 am

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In post 1373, Plotinus wrote:
In post 1371, Draynth wrote:well played by the way guyy, you got lucky with the claim though! hit a 1/6 chance... unless my maths is still wrong
1 in 4. They started out knowing they had two goons so the setup had to be either:

doc tracker
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his claim of "some kind of pr" on day 1 works in 6/6 setups. his claim of "not investigative" works in 2/4 setups too because when there are two goons, the cop doesn't know if there's a doc or not, the jk doesn't know if there's a bp or not. he would've ran into trouble in doc/tracker or tracker/bp (maybe not right away if the doc-or-bp thought he was a tracker with "didn't go anywhere" and the tracker thought he was a doc-or-bp, but eventually when there were 3 claims he would've been in trouble.)

claiming doc-or-bp would've been safe in 2/4 setups.


the roleblocker setups are ruled out entirely because they didn't have one, but his claim wouldn't have been safe in either of those.
Makes sense, thanks for explaining :)
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Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:35 am

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I wonder if we should start policy lynching doctor claims if they claim after a cop and before a roleblocker is lynched
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Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:36 am

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For whatever newbies remained in this game, this was an especially poor game and MS is better than this. I hope you give it another shot.
In post 1376, Virtuoso wrote:I wonder if we should start policy lynching doctor claims if they claim after a cop and before a roleblocker is lynched
Nope!
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Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:50 am

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GG scum team. Props to Dunkers d3 WIFOM.
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Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:58 am

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Wait
claiming to be someone's scum partner is force replacable?
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Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:59 am

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In post 1379, TesXX wrote:Wait
claiming to be someone's scum partner is force replacable?
Certain mods have that ruleset. I personally do not and do not like that rule.

Many people "joke" about being scumbuddies and I don't see anything wrong with it. I've done it before.
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Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:10 am

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In post 1349, plantsy wrote:WhemeStar, you did pretty well with your investigate. Next time you should crumb your results better.
I think his fake crumb of Dunker was fine. I don't think that he crumbed the innos on me and TB.

I think all this was a fairly well-played game by both sides.
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Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:11 am

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In post 1381, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1349, plantsy wrote:WhemeStar, you did pretty well with your investigate. Next time you should crumb your results better.
I think his fake crumb of Dunker was fine. I don't think that he crumbed the innos on me and TB.

I think all this was a fairly well-played game by both sides.
It really wasn't man.
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Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:12 am

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In post 1382, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1381, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1349, plantsy wrote:WhemeStar, you did pretty well with your investigate. Next time you should crumb your results better.
I think his fake crumb of Dunker was fine. I don't think that he crumbed the innos on me and TB.

I think all this was a fairly well-played game by both sides.
It really wasn't man.
Agree. You going apeshit and self hammering and my death tunnel on you and Draynth = poorly played game from town.
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Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:14 am

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I didn't say names, don't make this about me.
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Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:15 am

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well I meant the rest of the town. Like I felt aphix and Draynth did well and me and you and Wheme.
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Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:15 am

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In post 1384, RadiantCowbells wrote:I didn't say names, don't make this about me.
I didn't make this solely about you.
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Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:18 am

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In post 1386, Virtuoso wrote:
In post 1384, RadiantCowbells wrote:I didn't say names, don't make this about me.
I didn't make this solely about you.
Don't make it about me at all?

You were alive the entire game and managed to be a hard pusher of every single mislynch that the game saw and your one correct read was based off of a misinterpretation of Wheme's soft, and you softing a guilty on me only didn't get the cop to out and you quicklynched because they had an inno on you.
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Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:20 am

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In post 1387, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1386, Virtuoso wrote:
In post 1384, RadiantCowbells wrote:I didn't say names, don't make this about me.
I didn't make this solely about you.
Don't make it about me at all?

You were alive the entire game and managed to be a hard pusher of every single mislynch that the game saw and your one correct read was based off of a misinterpretation of Wheme's soft, and you softing a guilty on me only didn't get the cop to out and you quicklynched because they had an inno on you.
I mentioned my faults to.
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Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:21 am

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That's no different from trump supporters saying 'YEAH TRUMP DID SOME THINGS BAD BUT HER EMAILS HER EMAILS 33000 DELETED EMAILS.'
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Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:21 pm

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like 90% of what swung the game for scum was rc paranoia

so it's understandably not the same because the only thing rc did wrong really was not want to deal with that shit anymore
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Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:22 pm

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like even day 1 that was a huge thing. nero actually cited it as reason for the tictac hammer
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Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:22 pm

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and then they both flipped town and nothing really changed lol
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Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:28 pm

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like my first post in scum pt included this lol
rc- i can't decide if it would be funnier to kill him or to try to make people think he's the one killing. i don't really know how to even begin with getting into his head lol. maybe you have some knowledge on that. it's possible with people's rising paranoia about him as the game goes on that his attitude might do our work towards pushing the lynch towards him for us

in any case, i played around with the idea of him being a pr but i think he is probably vanilla. in my head he feels like he'd draw a doctor/jailkeeper to targegt him though so i'm inclined to want to leave him around

he was trying to quickwagon you but it seemed like he thought other people were more likely. he was testing the waters a lot. he'll continue to be a strong presence but it might not matter so much. in any case, they can't kill both of us at the same time, so we have a bit of time
and then we literally didn't even have to vote hahaha

i thought i was so for sure dead i was totally going to hammer him myself but didn't have the chance to before he did himself
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Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:30 pm

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In post 1393, guyy wrote:i thought i was so for sure dead i was totally going to hammer him myself but didn't have the chance to before he did himself
if scum was off the wagon I was getting quickhammered.
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Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:36 pm

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TBF, I was actually town reading RC day 1 but then I got a little paranoid that he was pushing me with zero reason like he does as scum and when he finally did give a reason it was total crap.

My d3 vote was to see how he reacted and what would happen. His self hammer was really bad and not leaving any last reads was even worse. I wish you guys would stop being RC apologist and admit that he didn't help the town as much as he thinks he did.
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Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:39 pm

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RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1393, guyy wrote:i thought i was so for sure dead i was totally going to hammer him myself but didn't have the chance to before he did himself
if scum was off the wagon I was getting quickhammered.
especially since at that point i could have easily been backed into a corner. i had no reason not to quickhammer

my point really was that i disagree with nero/tb that your vote contributed to fucking town in any significant way

i want to play with you again where i'm not replacing in and there's not people doing policy shit to you. but you make me think in your head everyone sucks but you hahaha
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Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:44 pm

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In post 1396, guyy wrote:i want to play with you again where i'm not replacing in and there's not people doing policy shit to you. but you make me think in your head everyone sucks but you hahah
I don't think so. I do sort of think everyone that was town and alive to day 2 onward was shades of bad though: but that's specifically the players in this lobby.
Nero's okay-good but couldn't read me if his life depended on it, but I explicitly think that neither Wheme/ThinkBig are good players.
Draynth I haven't seen enough to judge and I wouldn't presume to do so without knowing his play better. I can understand him scumreading TB here.

I question whether TB was actually misreading me or whether he's just trying to realize some sort of personal grudge but I don't know.
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Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:45 pm

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it's not that he didn't help the town

he was stubborn a little day 1 but he also gave you guys a lot of extremely on point information

he ignored a few questions, yes, but everything he was doing during the last tictac wagon was almost more useful work than a lot of other players all game haha

he didn't end up helping town because he got frustrated because town never listened to him day 1. and then the first thing that happened day 2 is he's put at L-1 within two hours

apologist? i don't think so. was he an asshole? yeah kinda. was he unhelpful as fuck when he hammered? hell yeah he was. would you have listened to him anyway? it didn't seem like it to me. was he helpful as fuck otherwise? yah he kinda tried to be most of day 1
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Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:46 pm

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