TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Bowser's Castle (Mafia Chat)

[Cerberus v666]

Hmm. Let's think about this actually(that was my next step before VLA starts.

What is our preferred path to victory here? Who do we want in endgame with us, and who do we NK versus have the town lim for us?

[HighPrincessErinys]

RR and CSF this one would definitely prefer to keep around as long as possible because they'll be inclined to townlean me due to meta, Porkens has been sheeping me as of late which is useful... wgeurts and Fate are both doable mislims but either could be PR.

[Cerberus v666]

Hmm. So PR's - because even though I am very much someone who wants to mechanically just outright win a game, I think it's more important to plan for who you can manipulate rather than who you are afraid of having a PR.

We have a ninja/strongman - implies Doctor/BP, and Tracker/Watcher.
We have a rolecop/roleblocker - I don't think that really says anything.

Tracker/Watcher can somewhat confirm themselves, if they catch a NK visit and get whoever visited lim'd. Doctor/BP are less concerning. Hmm. I will think further on this.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's less worrying about them being PR at all and moreso, that's probably a wagon that's dying and a doc on them if they claim. Though we DO ofc have a strongman which might be good on any cop/tracker/etc claims.

[HighPrincessErinys]

wgeurts definitely has a death grip on me

[HighPrincessErinys]

this is going alot better than this one was expecting

[Cerberus v666]

So. Endgame. Barring missed kills or town shots, this is my tentative D3, in order of desire to have them be present.

HPE
Cerb
CSF
RR
Adorable
Porkens

Not sure who would be the ideal lim push to make that day is.

I do expect that the game is balanced assuming a missed kill from us, btw, so there's a fair chance D3 is 7 and we need to get it down to 5 for D4.

This means wgeurts, fate, jingle, and peta are our targets in my scenario at least.

Peta lim, jingle nk, wgeurts lim, fate nk.

We can see how things play out of course, and I need to actually read everything that's happening in depth, bit iirc a peta+jingle flips discredit wgeurts, and without jingle the peta/wgeurts team convo gets dropped before the peta flip keeps wgeurts from being a target. Losing jingles voice is a bit scary for us, though, given the views they have on us - they're doing a lot of work to keep you defended.

Will keep this updated as the game progresses.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Was thinking of an inverted order, actually, wgeurts lim, fate nk, peta lim, jingle nk

[Cerberus v666]

Wgeurts lim without any significant flips that keep people from sheeping them posthumously feels very dangerous to you.

[Cerberus v666]

Don't defend me. Vote me or not as feels appropriate/reasonably town. I certainly don't have the time to address things right now, but I'll probably pop in at some point soonish to clarify that I essentially have 3 expressed reads that should be obvious, and then move on to whatever it was I was doing before my vacation started.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Let's hope the target on your back doesn't get a hole in it, eh?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Let's hope the target on your back doesn't get a hole in it, eh?

uh oh!

[Cerberus v666]

Annoying to have to use that for no real reason. If I wasn't traveling that wagon is defuseable without. Everybody with an expressed SR on me was voting me, and two of the people doing it were sleeping teammates reads, and one of them was being purely survivalist. *sigh*

[HighPrincessErinys]

At the very least the doc will PROBABLY be on you, and you'll be safe for a day.

[HighPrincessErinys]

As in "well mafia could easily intuit there'd be a protective on me after the claim so they killed someone else" and then we can ideally go a while longer without anyone calling your claim into question.

[HighPrincessErinys]

878 is really funny when Jingle is kinda playing to our tune right now.

[Cerberus v666]

Mhm.

You should be wary of town implosion turning into a compromise wagon on you, btw.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah, still catching up, but rn this looks good.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It mightttttttt be worth killing someone like CSF tonight? Jingle/petapan have a good chance of killing eachother, and Fate is determined to be the best mislim bait there ever was.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one has a really, really stupid claim idea: Universal Backup Daisy.

[Cerberus v666]

Not a stupid claim idea, that was my first idea for a possible claim. VT might actually just be fine too as either princess?

Also go us, one down, and they did it before making me get thoughts out there. Bit messy, but yeah. I'll be prepping for those reads that I told them I'd be getting, and in the process I'll gather my thoughts on targets for night actions.

[Cerberus v666]

Alright, so I haven't done the read through yet, was about to start on it but it looks like one of my partners wants me to come over earlier in the day than I planned, so thi smight not be happening until tomorrow.

So, tentative action suggestions:

HPE Ninja kills CSF
Cerb rolecops Adorable(or fate)

I think we can do better than that, but those are the initial ideas. Need to review certainty of various people with regards to porkens and CSF to see who those flips will cause to reevaluate things.

[Cerberus v666]

Slightly stronger pull to rolecop adorable. there's a bit of a PR soft happening with the power desire, and I've expressed more of a problem with adorable/therefore have more reason to want to cop them as town.

Another alternative is to cop someone who we are okay with nk'ing/are neutral about having in end of game, so we can respond to a "town" investigative clear by killing the subject of the investigation, as is expected.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Was honestly thinking of bricking Fate in the face since this one doesn't trust them to be as easily murdered by town now, and CSF is beneficial to my whole meta narrative.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Rolecop on Adorable is fine by me and this one was kind of thinking it should ninja anyway, so if we can agree on a kill we should be good for the night.