Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Transcend]

i mean yeah i was prob the toughest lynch

but that deathtunnel from elli scarred me for life

[momo]

The biggest flaw with this game was how scum played...this game wasn't my best showing so this may sound hypocritical but a huge problem was lazy scum

Still, for balance, I think the biggest change needed in this setup is that scum should get day talk

This will make them better coordinated but not invincible, just adding a layer of wifom to the game, (which in my opinion is always interesting)

[Transcend]

i really thought my fake guilty would milk me more towncred then it actually did

oh well

[Creature]

Still the game turns scum-favoured as soon there are more traitors than town PRs.

[Surreptitious]

It's interesting to me that even though we lynched scum everyday save a decent d1 policy lynch - I think at various points in the game town actually felt behind. Creature even used "comeback" to describe the result. This may have been purely psychological though for the players still in the game as scum got the optimal NK's every night. And for spectators there's probably just an assumption that living players won't do 360 reevaluates so they just project a negative trajectory if remaining reads are bad?

On that note.
I give Bulba full credit for the Transcend lynch.
Both in terms of being right about it not being von and probably being Trans.
And for being my motivational martyr.

Yes, Scum had excellent NKs. Town also played very very well, better than expected.

MY only gripe is that the PR's were killed off so early. I would have liked to have seen more interesting results at night. In a way I feel the full potential of this setup wasn't seen here in this game. I might run the exact same setup on a different site (with Makers permission ofc).

[Surreptitious]

Still the game turns scum-favoured as soon there are more traitors than town PRs.

It was actually intended this way.

[Creature]

Oh, and where were the traitors to stop me from getting results?

[momo]

@mod [/v]: This is my suggestion to make the setup balanced

Maybe, the setup should get rid of one traitor in one of the groups, and make it an IC

So pretty much two groups would have 1 goon, 1 traitor

but the third would be 1 goon, 1 town innocent child

plus PRs, plus Vts

With scum daytalk

However, 1 traitor doesn't surrender, he can still fight but can't NK

[Creature]

Night 1:

EddieFenix RB: No Action
Desperado RB:

Night 2:

Majiffy RB+RS: No Action

[Ellibereth]

i mean yeah i was prob the toughest lynch

but that deathtunnel from elli scarred me for life

<3

[Ellibereth]

Night 1:

EddieFenix RB: No Action
Desperado RB:

Night 2:

Majiffy RB+RS: No Action

LOL

[momo]

@mod

: This is my suggestion to make the setup balanced

Maybe, the setup should get rid of one traitor in one of the groups, and make it an IC

So pretty much two groups would have 1 goon, 1 traitor

but the third would be 1 goon, 1 town innocent child

plus PRs, plus Vts

With scum daytalk

However, 1 traitor doesn't surrender, he can still fight but can't NK

What do y'all think about this

[Toto]

I guess one thing that could be improved in the setup is making votes in the selected group count somehow, or encouraging participation from the selected group a bit more. I felt like whenever a group was selected all people in that group would lose motivation to participate.

[Transcend]

i mean yeah i was prob the toughest lynch

but that deathtunnel from elli scarred me for life

<3

:'(

[Ellibereth]

give scum daytalk

[momo]

BTW, what happenned to LQ...or is the mod account an LQ alt

[Transcend]

it's a hydra of lq and btd

[Bulbazak]

So there was a Dead PT, and I didn't get access to it because...?

I guess I underestimated Bulba because of his group B reads.

Yeah, my B reads sucked, but I did constantly say that I was having trouble with that group. My goal was to sort one of the other groups and then come back to B with a goon flip to reference. I also underestimated you, because you were way more confident in pushing your reads here than you were in Night & Day (seriously, if you are in a 1v1 situation in a game where scum can only be X, don't waffle around).

Completely missed Dan. I was completely trusting Elli on that read, and I really liked his d1 sassiness around the LUV vote. It made me think "He's wrong in that he's voting town, but he's wrong in a town way.". I just never stopped to reevaluate that. I probably would have considered the darkest timeline theory (Elli x Chess) before I'd have reconsidered Dan.

[chesskid3]

daytalk is assumed at this pt

[chesskid3]

lmao bulb i respect u 100000x more after this game


ne chapter?

[Bulbazak]

Given the disadvantage, daytalk would have been useful for the goons.

[chesskid3]

I also kinda think traitors knowing goons is a nice double edged sword

[Bulbazak]

Also, promised this if Alisae was town:


I had a higher opinion of you prior to this game, and I would have preferred you to have been scum than to have spewed Chess-worthy garbage.

[chesskid3]

nvm offer retracted

[chesskid3]

how dare u bully obvtown Alisae like that