Newbie 1754: Fire Game Over

[Kairal]

Oh are you going to play VT/Doctor/Scum as well Mini?

[Kairal]

Incidentally I mentioned to some friends I was meeting up with tonight that I was disappointed to be wrong about Cerb. Knowing nothing about the particulars of this game they rushed to assure me that it was his fault for being too suspicious. I thought that was cute.

[qubixes]

Let's not vote before the doc claims please. The chances of something bad happening are pretty slim with 4 votes needed though.

That said, imo scum should just concede after we finished playing scum/doc/VT (or before if they don't want to play that game). No reason to drag it out when there is an autoloss.

[qubixes]

Btw, one reason I got convinced that Cerberus was probably town yesterday, was because he was alluding to the fact that he knew who the doctor was/ without naming them. That is an incredibly stupid play to make as scum in case you are right....

[Kairal]

If scum plays and gets scum wrong I'll be amused. Anyway I guess you're right UNVOTE: Bork

[qubixes]

If I was scum, I would definitely play the game and not name myself as scum haha.

[Kairal]

I guess they could always claim a moral victory by getting a mislynch for today if they really want to drag it out.

[NJAC]

In that case the correct lynch is qubix:

VOTE: qubix

[Kairal]

Oh? I guess I was wrong about NJAC being doc. Must be Bork after all. Oh well not gonna cheat. My original answers are the ones that count.

[qubixes]

Sure, I guess that would be ok, but I doubt every town is going to try their hardest when the game is in the bag. I also don't know if there are players that are in their first game and are waiting to join their second newbie game (I guess it's only two/three days if we power lynch though).

@NJAC: Lol, it was you?!

[qubixes]

Btw, I think surrenders have to be asked permission from the mod normally. I doubt the mod will not allow it here, but good to keep in mind if you play another game/setup.

[Cerberus v666]

Thanks Mini.

Suspecting me made perfect sense(sorta, except for a few things I had in my favor, but whatever, I coulda faked all of those(except putting myself into such all crappy position), it was lynching me on that particular day that was absurd.

So yeah, nobody should feel bad for being wrong about me..:p

Bork
Qubixes
Njac
Kairal

So I'm somewhat torn here actually. The only path to victory scum has is if they actually did the random shot at bp thing on N1, and so they're pretty sure there is a BP in the game rather than a doctor. That let's them take advantage of us potentially just going into autopilot to chain lynch people, while they kill mini tonight, and then tomorrow the game ends up in a mylo of bp/cleared town/vt/scum, giving them at least a chance to persuade town to lynch the vt while they shoot me in the night.

If they had shot at mini last night and killed her, I get lynched today(maybe? I'm computerless and really tired of defending myself, so decent chance), and tonight they shoot the bp who they already shot at before, leading to a mylo of 3 vts and them.

So yeah, it would have been better to shoot at mini in a universe where they knew there was a BP, but they could still win in a bp situation.

The doctor DOES need to claim for guaranteed victory in the doctor scenario, otherwise we risk mini tracking the doctor and the scum shooting them, which would leave us with two suspects for mylo instead of one.

[qubixes]

I doubt anyone in this game would throw the game by shooting a confirmed VT last night that was 100% not going to get tracked... Unless someone

REALLY

wants a challenge!

[Cerberus v666]

Well, it's not throwing the game, but it does offer some benefits, just not versus simply killing mini. I mean, I came into today planning on self voting if MDS was dead or there was a no kill again, just to make sure there was no huge scumhunting killing conversation focused on me, so yeah, shooting her was obviously superior.

Anyways.

Every suspect has positive interactions with known town right now. Bork is the only possibility for doctor imo. Kairal wouldn't have pushed me as he did if he were the doctor, qubixes PROBABLY wouldn't have ever supported said push. Bork DIDN'T ever suppprt the push and was quite firm on Aelin over me. NJACs play could easily be him "phoning it in" once he realized the situation he was in, but it could also be a doctor keeping low impact, especially since as the IC there's additional reason for scum to consider shooting you.

Anyways, Kairal or njac is scum, Börk is the doctor. My entry. ;p

[NJAC]

Scum

qubix
Kairal
Bork

Town

[NJAC]

Game is solved, BTW. Last PR should claim.

[qubixes]

@NJAC: You're boring!

But ok.

I'm the doctor!

[Cerberus v666]

Hmm.

[qubixes]

Even if my reads were shitty, at least I feel like I did the right things to stay alive/not get tracked. I was very much afraid that my plan would give me away (since it works soooo much better if I'm the doc), so I painstakingly went through all this BP stuff.... Of course putting myself in the suspect category helped me (probably) a lot not to get shot, which was kind of the idea behind it.

[qubixes]

I guess if scum wants, they can counterclaim and have a final epic (?) battle today. I was too lazy to crumb anything, so there's that .

[Cerberus v666]

No epic battle. They counterclaim(or make the actual claim) we lynch outside of the pair of you, mini tracks one of you, and scum either no kills(by targeting mini, so both your action submissions look the same), or they shoot the doctor and get lynched tmoorrow. If they no kill, then we have an extra lynch to compensate for the lost clear and still win.

[MiniDeathStar]

qubixes you're awesome.

Well then, we lynching Börk or NJAC? My original (meta) FoS for scum was NJAC so I kind of want to vote him.

I don't think Kairal is scum since he made up a plan that literally guarantees he loses if he is (and he did that twice), but if he in fact is, I'll save him for the last lynch and comission him free art post-game. Because that's how good he'd be at deception if he's scum.

VOTE: NJAC

[MiniDeathStar]

(By the way Kairal, I need to draw your attention to the fact we're now lynching in the pool of "clears". Please don't ever assume someone is conf. clear unless they are mechanically cleared or hesitating when they could quickhammer for their win.)

[Cerberus v666]

Before a lynch we should ensure that everyone posts and confirms that they are not counterclaiming the doctor claim, fyi.

[MiniDeathStar]

No epic battle. They counterclaim(or make the actual claim) we lynch outside of the pair of you, mini tracks one of you, and scum either no kills(by targeting mini, so both your action submissions look the same), or they shoot the doctor and get lynched tmoorrow. If they no kill, then we have an extra lynch to compensate for the lost clear and still win.

Why would we even lynch outside of that pair? There's only one scum left, we just lynch one and if we're wrong we lynch the other.