Newbie 1755: Dessert Mafia - Game over!

[DIG]

gg. What put you on me at the end by the way? was it just Chara's analysis?

[Darkshadow64540]

alot of it was the lack of activity

[Darkshadow64540]

in the end I read Not Chara and Spade as town, allo's actions were scummy as hell and you were the only one left

[DIG]

The inactivity was all honest actually. I'm really super busy trying to finish up a couple papers for the 21. I'm going to get back to those now actually. I really want to hear everyone else's thoughts of the game and I'll put my own in as soon as I have some time.

[Darkshadow64540]

When Not Chara prompted me to reread GM's and your ISO's it fell into place.

[Darkshadow64540]

As I said, good game, well played

[Spade_Ace]

Ohh man. That sucks. Dig nice game. Dark my bad. I really couldn't find anything against Dig in his ISO. I guess my instincts suck. First GM and then Dig. NC and you, actually were convinced he was scum and I managed to convince otherwise.

Dig I actually did suspect you towards the end cos I kind of saw you online multiple times, but you weren't posting anything. Also cos you were the only one who wanted allo alive in the end. But I didn't have anything solid on you.

[Spade_Ace]

well, that's the game then, maf wins...

If I had seen this in time, I would have changed it.

[Darkshadow64540]

In the end nothing I could say would have changed your mind, it wasn't DIG's posts that gave it away, it was GM's

[Darkshadow64540]

All this said my screw ups early game made me look extremely suspect and that was something I was.never going to shake.

[Spade_Ace]

What was it that GM said that helped you understand dig was the scum?

[SirCakez]

Votecount 4.1

Darkshadow64540 (2) - Spade_Ace, DIG
DIG (1) - Darkshadow64540

Not voting (0)

With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch someone.

DIG is V/LA through December 21.

(expired on 2017-01-01 08:18:00) remain until day end

[SirCakez]

Darkshadow64540,

Vanilla Townie,

was lynched day 4!

A win condition has been achieved!

[SirCakez]

Spade_Ace,

Vanilla Townie,

was endgamed day 4!

DIG,

Mafia Goon,

survives and wins!

goodmorning also wins posthumously.

[SirCakez]

I will release all the PTs when I get home.

Thanks for playing everyone!

[Not Chara]

i said this in the dead thread, but there's a lesson about listening to one's gut. good game everyone, sorry i went off-base with DIG. :>

[Lemons]

Well played, DIG. I didn't suspect you at all.

[Darkshadow64540]

Mafia had obvious targets for day 1 and 2 so there was nothing to be learned from the kills...

[Allomancer]

GG DIG

[JaeReed]

The NC kill spoke volumes there. Gj mafia on the win.

Lemons do you have experience elsewhere? You came in really strong for a newb in their first game. It was impressive.

Dark, I think you need to think about how your own actions could be perceived a little less when you're making your posts. Definitely alright to analyse that when someone brings something up, in order to determine if their read on you is genuine or not, but otherwise it's better to focus on reading other people over thinking about how scummy you might look. This is advice regardless of alignment. You're always going to be able to see the weaknesses in your play but not everyone will. If you're scum it's something you don't need to draw attention to, and if you're town you KNOW you're town above all else. You had reasons for your actions and you can back them up if need be, and explain your thought process to prove to someone those actions came from a town mindset.

The 4 most important things for town:
1. To identify and work with other town. Don't push people you think are town. It gives scum chinks to work their way into in order to make you question your read, and makes said town less likely to work with you on getting your scumread lynched.
2. To have your own reads. Don't just breeze on by following the main thread consensus. Read it yourself, determine if what is happening is even alignment indicative yourself. The more you do this the better you'll get at reading people.
3. To convince others that the person you're reading as scum is scum (sometimes this involves faking confidence in your ability to read people, and that's fine, so long as you're not faking the read itself). It doesn't matter if everyone believes x is town. If you think they're scum, push it. Present your case and push it until the person is either lynched or no longer your highest scumread. This ties in to the previous point and the next one.
4. Re-evaluate based on new evidence. It's ok to be pushing one person as scum really heavily, then change your mind at the last second due to something they said that gave you pause. So long as you move on to your next top scumread once that person is no longer your top scumread.

[JaeReed]

To identify and work with other town.

Also, "work with" encompasses listening to them and having a dialogue with them about their scumreads as well so you can both try to figure out which is more likely to be correct. It's ok to compromise on a lynch if both are equally likely to be scum. Pushing your scumread to the death to the exclusion of all others should be reserved for when you have a strong scumread.

Don't listen to your scumreads over your townreads as a general rule, and don't get into long drawn out arguments with your scumreads, because it breeds apathy within town and people are more likely to dismiss it as TvT. Scum aren't going to admit they're scum, so if you strongly believe someone is scum then there's no point in arguing about it with them.

[SirCakez]

Mod topic: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8489963
Dead chat: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8543933
Mafia chat: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8489985

[Darkshadow64540]

I still can't believe I didn't get lynched after my truly horrid day one.

[Lemons]

No, I actually don't. Chara asked too haha. I did have 22 pages and a lot of free time to work with though. Thanks!

[DIG]

Hello everybody, I'm finally free and ready to talk about the game!

The big thing I wanted to talk about was my kills.

I debated on the second night whether I should have killed Lemons or Chara. In the end I decided to kill Lemons because he was extremely town read and posting a ton of information, and I didn't want anyone to gain control of the town, like it looked he would be able to. Looking at how the third day went down, I'm thinking it was probably the wrong choice though.

On the third night, It was a little easier of a choice. The last minute denial of suspicion seemed kind of forced to me, and I really liked Chara's last words as they were, so I decided that that would have to be the kill. Darkshadow wasn't an option because that was the easiest Lynch, and nobody besides me had any motive to kill him since he would have given them an easy win. The choice was between spade and Chara, and I felt like Darkshadow and Spade both would have killed Chara if they were scum, so it wouldn't be held against me. The other option was killing Spade and trying to frame Chara, but I felt like Dark would have voted for me so quickly that I would have been forced to cross and let Chara decide. I decided Spade was more likely vote Dark over me so I killed Chara.

My other thoughts over the game were mostly just how insane everything ended up being.

The Ted self hammer was sort of unfortunate, I definitely need to play another newbie game where that doesn't happen.

The Allomancer accidental hammer sort of screwed up all of my plans. I really felt like I was going to get the Dark Lynch that I was pushing for, and if it didn't happen, I had intended on hammering goodmorning and trying to force a Lynch the next day of the person on goodmorning's wagon who squirmed the most before I hammered.

My other big question was how I should have played the partner situation. I erred on the side of trying to keep goodmorning alive for a little too long. I think it probably would have been right to push a little harder with the Lynch. I tried to compensate with extra aggressive accusations, but Chara saw through that, so that's probably not a plan that's going to work in games with more experienced players.

Overall, my general strategy for the game was to just pretend that I actually was town and try to find who else could be mafia. I think it went over pretty well, especially the first two days. The third day I was a little too busy to make as many contributions, and I had already started trying to maneuver into a good position for lylo.

The third day Lynch went exactly how I hoped it would. I don't think I would have won if we had lynched dark, and I don't think I could have won if I was on allomancer's wagon when he died.