Mini 2079 - Guns & Roses [Game Over]
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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Also, sorta related, but is anyone on MS aknown crackshoton a vig?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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singer was 2/2 in a Large in my last modded game
No idea about current players though."Don’t buy a dozen eggs if you just want a hardboiled egg. Don’t buy a head of lettuce if you just want a salad. Don’t buy eggs and lettuce if you want egg salad because those are not the right ingredients." -Julius Bloop-
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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Good vigs in the past that I've seen in my games were Spiffeh (kuribo in Wonderland) and DeasVail (through the looking-glass), but these games are few years old.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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popsofctown SheSurvivorShe
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I vigged 4 scum in 6 shots the only time I played vig.
I think college age pops is an OP vig but he does not exist today necessarily."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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Does 13:4 sound balanced to you?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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popsofctown SheSurvivorShe
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It is hard to feign an opinion cause like I don't think I actually care if the town winrate is 50%, I don't think I will like the setup no matter what the numbers are tweaked to, and yet I'm going to pre-in no matter what if FakeGod is the one running it"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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I agree with virtually everything implosion said here. Well put and well played.In post 965, implosion wrote:GG.
The setup on average is probably a bit townsided. The setup as it was instantiated here was probably pretty even. Having a more even gun/rose split is probably better for town. I think it'd be better at a higher player count as it was originally conceived; at this player count it's okay but idk, I feel like the concept would shine more at around 17ish?
I really really disagree that scum has any real incentive to pick rose in this version. If I was town I was planning to pick n2 or n3 rose (undecidedly); as scum it was really, really obvious to pick guns. S_S was wondering why scum didn't take two n1 guns; we more or less made our choices separately. LLD opted for n1 gun (i assume she needed to be able to claim it if the split hadn't been so one-sided) and I opted for n2 rather than n1 with the logic that (1) there could theoretically be a high preponderance of n1 roses, (2) if there are relatively few roses then having kills on later nights is potentially more valuable because we would have more information about what players are holding the roses. At least I think that's what my reasoning would be.
Apologies to Town, I bungled this. That said, this is why lurking is a bad case. It’s NAI, and there’s just plain no defense against it. I got flustered and irritated, all while dealing with my very real RL issues.
The gun claim went badly. My mistake. I assumed that an uncountered claim would be a get out of jail free card, but I underestimated the ingrained suspicion. I will take credit for flushing LLD out, though. My claim and intent to shoot her prompted her to obvscum."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I think this kind of a unique case where the balance is less contingent on EV and more about people's mental models reacting to other peoples mental models. I might actually code a quick model just to keep my Netlogo skills fresh.In post 984, FakeGod wrote:Does 13:4 sound balanced to you?"Don’t buy a dozen eggs if you just want a hardboiled egg. Don’t buy a head of lettuce if you just want a salad. Don’t buy eggs and lettuce if you want egg salad because those are not the right ingredients." -Julius Bloop-
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Pine In Your Head
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I’m not perfect, but I’ve got a like 60-70% scumkill rate. Intent to target LLD should serve as credentials.
"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Town gets a huge benefit in lining up their Rose/Gun picks to all being the same night, and the only sensible night given that is N1. I agree that N1 rose is a very reasonable scum pick, maybe even the optimal one, but they then run the risk of getting locked into rose claims and playing a mountainous-like setup with a lot of role information that favors the town.In post 973, FakeGod wrote:I agree that scum should be picking guns, but I would also like to add that in the other two games I've run offsite, the entirety of scum team wereannihilated by town N1 Guns(!?) and the games did not even go into D2. (1st game, both scum were gunned down N1; the 2nd game, one scum was lynched D1, and other gunned down N1)
I would argue that a N1 Rose pick for scum is a viable pick.
I would also argue that there is non-zero utility in picking later nights than N1, but N1 anything is pretty clearly the dominating choice in the playspace.-
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trading with LLD was p good Pine"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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popsofctown SheSurvivorShe
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RC how do you play 20 games and watch another 30"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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I'll run the large setup at 11:3, after pondering.
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FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
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Sign up For round 2 is up!My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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