Newbie 2124 - Postgame

[Alianna]

Mine.

[sheepsaysmeep]

idk

the reason I became ok with possibly yeeting chicago today over me (before I thought I should die over chicago here) is that when I re-read the game I linked, I saw some semblances of the aggression I liked here

which makes me think maybe he's good at aggression as scum and the only problem there was his relative inactivity

a couple of the posts im looking at :

i like this response, i think, and it makes Chicago come off as town to me

patchwork: why? From my point of view, I see a little bit different I saw ChicagoTypewriter who are alert to the posts and only appear when somebody (me) mentions him.
I want to see him hunting scum a not only reading us.

Ah. I see. My assessment so far:

Black

: High possibility of scum - had an exchange w/ skitter30 early in the game which made me suspect the two of them were actually scum together and they have played a decent team game if so, successfully spreading suspicion on everyone (including each other, of course). Current posts have made me abandon this line of thinking, however, this does not preclude it, possibility still high that Black may be scum.

skitter30

:Moderate-Low possibility of scum - see above for possibility of colluding with Black. Aside from that, and the ever-present chance that skitter30 is attempting to fly under the radar on Day 1, not very likely.

Spartan117

: Moderate-Low possibility of scum - not much interactions, not much suspicion; but players with low interactions automatically fall under suspicion.

Deltabreedy

: High possibility of scum - managed to seriously cast suspicion on Black and Omigron with a single joke vote. It is not likely this was done deliberately,

however

, the question remains as to the fact that it was Omigron and Black which removed the lion's share of suspicion, I do not believe Delta helped at all (unless I missed a post). This is acceptable if Delta believes there to be a scum between Omigron and Black, unacceptable if not.

Overseer

: Low-Moderate possibility of scum - seems frantic to me, could be townie trying to drum up evidence and smoke out the mafia, could be a mafia fumbling about. Inconclusive.

patchwork

: Low-Moderate possibility of scum - Overseer has kept a level head and does analysis well. Has not performed any action sufficiently scummy or townie to warrant placement in either of the categories (and by 'sufficiently townie', I mean actions that really aren't available on Day 1)

Vampirejeff

: Moderate possibility of scum - I feel like I haven't gotten a sufficient read on this player, but given that we are both new players, this is to be expected. Inconclusive without further dedicated analysis, which may not be possible at this time.

OMIGRON

: Moderate-High possibility of scum - OMIGRON was the first player to place a serious accusation, and it wasn't done well. (That is not to say that I'm not suspicious of Delta currently, but the accusation was not great.) OMIGRON has cleared suspicion under the accusation of Black, however, this was at the threat of elimination, so take it with a grain of salt.

ChicagoTypewriter

: Moderate possibility of scum - player has not interacted much, mostly focused on attempting to discern identities of other players going into the long game, and still does not feel sufficiently confident to cast a vote. Lack of interactions prove nothing in regards to alignment.

I would have like to wait a few more days for more information, but I suppose we've gotten sufficiently advanced that I do not mind sharing.

Well I sort of expected this but it's still sad. Maybe expected skitter to die here more tho ngl. I really enjoyed playing with you inutile!

Scum is going for mass tr's instead of the obvious prs at this point. So.

I think I already know everyone's roles. I think. Overseer kinda solved it and I was too dumb to notice in day phase. I wanted to lay all the roles out but nah lemme see how well they mesh b4. Ithnk the two claims ill share before I claim is: overseer is vt. And now the rolecop.

VOTE: ChigacoTypewriter

Hi Eiralox. Don't think I don't see what you're doing. Let's get this topic back on track, shall we? Massclaiming is a good idea - and I'm all for it. But

first

I would like to address the elephant in the room. Who

you

voted for last round, or more precisely,

didn't

vote for. You and Malakittens voted for me. Malakittens, I understand - she was mafia and had no choice. But everyone knew that she was scummy and you decided that she was innocent. In fact, you were

convinced

she was townie.

Now, let's go to this round where

you

said that you wanted to claim dead last. Why? Why would you wait to claim dead last Eiralox, if you're so very

clearly

implying to know something that I don't. But there's a very distinct problem with that -

there's one mafia remaining and there are two rounds left

.

If the situation was one where I was mafia and you had pr evidence; you would have claimed outright which would have led to two outcomes - either I get voted out this round

or

you get voted out this round (let us say this is because I counterclaimed), you are proven to be pr, and then I eliminated next round. But here's the thing - you didn't do that. Instead, you decided to run a bluff and claim to have an ambiguous pr, then try and use that to go last; all the while planning on claiming vt when it came back to you at the end; in what I can only presume to be an attempt to scare me because there's really no other logical explanation for what happened. You selected me because you think I'm the most viable target. I don't blame you, of course. It's a valid strategy for a desperate mafia - but that's all you are; a

desperate mafia

.

VOTE: Eiralox

[sheepsaysmeep]

@BBmolla Your townreads are fine, but your scumreads are garbage.
535 you seem to imply that McEndu is scummy for claiming VT at E-1, which is a spicy take to be certain. Unprovoked VT is scummy, but this isn't one.
485 you're reading heipizhu's mathematical breakdown as scummy, but a) his math checks and b) I don't think that's particularly scummy and it's doubling down on CCGeek, but you don't have a problem with CCGeek, do you?
287 you decide McEndu is scum and deserves to be wagonned with zero justification.

Overall, you've been lurking pretty hard, and even when you do post, you have this weird tunnel on heipizhu4 which expanded to include McEndu. You didn't decide they were scumteam in 534, you decided it in 287!

The only thing keeping me from voting for you right now is your townreads, but even still a mafia can acknowledge a town as town and kill them during the night.

Help me with your scumreads? And

actual

evidence, not just 'oh, McEndu seems scummy to me'.

I think mcendu is more actively wolfy and hasn't really sold me

I'm sorry, you've lost me completely here. Passively, yes. Where exactly has McEndu been actively wolfy?

it's a crapshoot but it's a fine crapshoot on someone who hasn't been super villagery, there were worse outcomes

You're acting like we don't have better Day 1 options than 'someone who hasn't been super villagery'. Heck, BBmolla by those standards is worse.

You both just proved my point on you claiming VT by not understanding why I brought it up, that’s all I’ll say lmao

Please stop lurking and respond to my post 550.

I’m Town PR

I don’t have time to post whatever you want but eliminate me if you want as long as you know the above and the people who pushed it through can’t claim otherwise. Wagon on me is awful.

McEndu/heip, if not then, then CCGeek has been quiet AF lately so pressure there. gl town, ignore TownChicago’s reads they’re bad.

Can’t be on phone rest of night, goodnight/goodbye

Oh, a vague PR, huh? Wow, that's not what a cornered scum would say at all.
I'm calling your bluff. Role

now

or I vote you in an hour.

idk lol

my gut said this sequence feels not w/w

but I guess it could be fakeable and poe-able

[sheepsaysmeep]

ccgeek can u talk through what youre thinking

[sheepsaysmeep]

I basically think Bella's progressions are natural and too unagenda'd

suddenly flipping from endu onto molla for what I think was a good valid reason

pivoting away from me here onto chicago felt natural too

I think wolves would be more obstinate throughout the course of the day phase like chicago

meh

[sheepsaysmeep]

bro ccgeek no dipping now btw lmao you gotta be the one who chooses in the next half hour

[Bellaphant]

Dude?

[sheepsaysmeep]

it's fine it makes sense for me to die today lmao

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: sheep

Ok, I'm about to be busy with kids bedtime.

[Alianna]

3.FINAL

Votecount 3.FINAL

sheepsaysmeep (ELIMINATED): McEndu, ChicagoTypewriter, Bellaphant
ChicagoTypewriter (1): sheepsaysmeep

Not Voting (1): CCGeek

With 5 players alive, it took 3 votes to secure an elimination.

[Alianna]

sheepsaysmeep has been eliminated. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Night 3. The night deadline is in (expired on 2023-06-20 14:53:19).

The night can end early if all living players request it.

[Alianna]

McEndu has been killed. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Day 4.

[Alianna]

4.00

Votecount 4.00

Not Voting (3): CCGeek, ChicagoTypewriter, Bellaphant

With 3 players alive, it takes 2 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-06-27 16:35:09).

[Bellaphant]

Hi all, I've been throwing up all day and just found chicken pox on my little girl so I'm not really here imminently, sorry

[ChicagoTypewriter]

Okay, I'll go first, then. I'm still putting together my ISOs of the two of you, but I'm just going to crack open BBmolla's ISO for the table.

So, both of you were joke voted by BBmolla, Bellaphant in the opening post 14, and CCGeek in the subsequent post 69.

This is the first useful post I could find.

Scum is in CCGeek, Political Clout, heipizhu4, McEndu, everyone else seems town

UNVOTE:
VOTE: heipizhu4

BBmolla keeps the vote on heipizhu4 until he swaps to McEndu in 327. Notably, he fights with CCGeek about it in 458 and his last post before getting limmed he mentions that CCGeek needs to be pressured (600).

His interaction with Bellaphant is kind of pathetic. This is the most important bit:

Bella is town

Bella is town

Why?

PC seems limbaity town, CCG seems lazy but wagonomicsd around them makes me think town.

...which doesn't actually address the point, but its the closest I could find.

CCGeek is a little more, like I quoted above.

McEndu/heip, if not then, then CCGeek has been quiet AF lately so pressure there. gl town, ignore TownChicago’s reads they’re bad.

And then there's me. Might as well say this - BBmolla townreads me

hard

.

Who specifically would you like me to give you a read on? Your opening posts seems town.

guys this is town so if that wagon could not exist that'd be great

[CCGeek]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I TOOK A FEW OFF TO GO GET DINNER (W/O NOTICING DL) AND CAME BACK TO HAMMER;;;;;

[CCGeek]

okay no simply by looking at molla's ISO I am going paranoid

[CCGeek]

because it feels we have been set up into this ELo on purpose

[CCGeek]

if so, that would imply Bella is scum here, but Molla's hard town read on Bella makes me slightly hesitant

[Bellaphant]

It looks like molla tr me and Chicago?

Also, wasn't this the elo you predicted? Not sure how being in the elo you predicted makes me scummy?

[CCGeek]

ok no there's no credit in me for predicting the ELo because sheep was literally the only wagon going strong and mcendu lim is the most optimal scum play. This accusation also feels very out there, in other words, scummy.

[Bellaphant]

? You accused me of the same thing?

I'm just trying to understand. Like, yesterday I started off sr-ing sheep and Chicago and then sheep was obv!town and I had to hammer because we were about to no lim. But sheep hard sr you and tr Chicago, although he was starting to waver at the end.


Unrelatedly, mollas iso is so thin

[ChicagoTypewriter]

because it feels we have been set up into this ELo on purpose

Could you clarify this?

[ChicagoTypewriter]

Like, yesterday I started off sr-ing sheep and Chicago and then sheep was obv!town and I had to hammer because we were about to no lim.

I'm sorry, I don't understand this at all. I voted for sheepsaysmeep because I scumread him. Why would you vote for a player that you think is town and invite the mislim?

[CCGeek]

Why would you vote for a player that you think is town and invite the mislim?

because nolim is bad. certain information is better than uncertain information (reads).