In post 798, Val89 wrote: In post 795, Looker wrote:I don't understand what you're saying in the last part: If flipping town!T3 implicated scum!me, why would I flip T3 if I were scum and knew he was town? Wouldn't it make more sense to draw it out and wait? That's why I asked you what the scum advantage would be to this "scumplay" - none of it makes sense and doesn't come across as a working theory.
When presented with a PoE of player who was playing scummy enough to be at but was actually town then the final scum player; you don't see the scum advantage of that scum townreading said scummy player and trying to open the PoE further?
You don't see the scum advanatge, for, when it becomes clear that said scummy-town player was actually getting limmed regardless of what scum player does and it was a lost cause, and that scum starts to get quizzed on the reasons for townreading the scummy-town, cutting off that discussion because they don't actually have any reasons to reply with in the hope it gets forgotten about?
I can't see how the final scum could play any differently in the circumstances and still hope to win. Let me ask you this way: what was the town advantage, or motivation, for misrepresenting the strength of your townreads?
- You're convoluting logical sentence structure, but...
- You're going to great lengths to avoid that I thought T3 was town due to the playerlist around him
- Also, explain how the PoE is opened further
- So was it a foregone conclusion that T3 was getting eliminated or not? Because you told me that it wasn't since there was 48 hours left on the clock and that I was scum for not fighting it. But now you're telling me there was nothing I could do and that I was scum who became resigned.
- "Misrepresenting" is your inserted spin - I never misrepresented anything. In fact, I'm so literal I get harped on for "quoting" and "playing semantics games".
Spite, ego, ignorance, survivalism, apathy, - it could be a number of things, which is why I continue to engage to deduce. Fortunately, my posts remain after I die, so people can look back and see the responses to the questions they didn't think necessary to ask beforehand.
In post 798, Val89 wrote: In post 795, Looker wrote:There's a difference between me drawing out the day to sort because I'd just replaced in and a player who'd been here from the beginning trying to avoid suspicion. I'm trying to figure out a town-motivated reason for WKing at this point.
You are trying to represent that parking a vote on a player and trying to start a whole new counterwagon on a player that turned out to be town, with only few hours left on the clock and a serious risk of a mislim was "drawing out the day to sort?", while Mbot considating on a scum wagon rather than risk a nolim was 'trying to avoid suspicion'?
When a townblocks starts saying "It's either fixer or Looker"; your path to victory suddenly
requires
that you achieve a lim outside of yourself and fixer. Scum!you HAS to get a lim today on Mbot, Kenny or Val, without that second mason claiming today. That's how scum!you wins this game. The mason makes no difference to you tomorrow, because you have a change to NK them tonight, and if you guess wrong, while difficult, you still could just counterclaim it yourself and potentially convince the VT in the mix to vote with you.
It just so happens that, out of Mbot, Kenny and Me; Mbot is the only one of those 3 to already claim VT today, and you know they aren't claiming Mason when run up. You want us to lim Mbot today, despite her being your top unexplained townread yesterday, and kenny being your biggest scumread, and that is one big co-inicidence?
- Several players have "turned out to be town", and, yes, I was dragging out the day to get more input from Andres. We weren't at serious risk of a non-elimination because I was present, and MBot wasn't the only player to consolidate. She consolidated on DkKoba last-minute, but bussing is a strategy, so I don't understand the clear.
- This isn't Survivor, so I don't see the significance of a "townblock", which is really just a voting block potentially with a scum member in it, but if I need the mason outed so bad, why was I the first one to shut down claiming? Wouldn't I have encouraged it?
- To be candid, I think it's either you or MBot, but I'm hoping it's kennyk/fixer. Kennyk moreso than fixer, because I feel that would be a deserving win.
In post 761, Looker wrote: In post 744, Val89 wrote:It just so happens that 3 mislims is exactly what scum!you needs to achieve to win following a D1 scumflip, after all.
In post 798, Val89 wrote:An Mbot lim just so happens to be exactly how scum wins this game. Same goes for scum!fixer, to be fair; on the outside chance of town!Looker - if an Mbot lim goes through today, same deal, try nightkill the mason and then they are in a F3 with Looker, whom I have said I find more scummy than fixer, and kenny might well feel the same.
I think Mbot is town, and her lim today looks to me to be the last chance for scum to win this game. My "town-motivated reason for WKing at this point", if 'white-knighting' is what I am doing, is to make sure that town wins, it's that simple.
Why is everything I do "
exactly
" what scum need to win the game? You were proven wrong in 761, and you're wrong now in 798. It makes more sense that a town!Looker, town!fixer elimination sequence wins the game, and that's what it looks like has been set up to take place. If you were any good at your job (assuming you're town), you'd be dead already, and seeing as you appear to be the weaker of the two between yourself and MBot, I have to assume she's the scum.
In post 798, Val89 wrote:
It looks to me like she is specifically avoiding shut down conversation by not hammering you here and now, which is what you did to T3 when conversation was about why you were townreading him. You answered the question - unsatisfactory - in the same post you hammered. Different standards for different behavior. If she had hammered you there as soon as fixer placed the E-1 vote while we were still talking about her alignment, and then you had flipped town, yeah, I would have found that suspicious. I don't find her effectively saying "I have nothing further to add, but I won't hammer yet so you have time to talk about it" even
remotely
comparable.
You really are clutching at straws now, Looker. Short of a straight up scum-slip, I'm not doing Mbot over you, end-of.
- You think it would be advantageous to hammer town right before proceeding to F3? What if it were a foregone conclusion like you're saying T3 was?
- Shutting down conversation by refusing to engage is still shutting down conversation, even if it's a way to circumvent your basic alerts.
Fortunately, I'm not dragging this out for you, but moreso so there's record after my flip of different slots' interactions with me.
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