Newbie 2088 | Game Over

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All while you've been largely silent for a while after the initial claim, which comes one post after Lukewarm suspects you could be mafia. Is that not suspicious?

this was already brought up and discussed
I was not here when all the claims discussion was going on
I posted saying I wasn't available
then I went on VLA

also...
I was not at all being pressured by Lukewarm
like there was zero chance I was the elim there

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if you wanna talk about timing

Malcolm go read posts 299 through 379 again
here's what happened:
Eyes posts his weird manufactured scum pair process of elimination reads in 299
Eyes gets pushed for it by me, you, Luke, and Shotbun
Eyes gets frustrated
Val shows up in post 355 and SRs both furtive and Eyes
but Val votes furtive and doesn't even give a reason for SRing Eyes
instead he actually gives Eyes an out to explain his reads in 359
classic scum distancing here - SR your partner but don't apply any pressure
especially when pressure was already being applied to Eyes!
Eyes then replies to Val's question in 359 "which post made change your SR on Furtive to a TR?" (not an exact quote) by pointing out the soft in 374 and asking Furtive to claim in 375

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you initially TR Furtive until your potential teammate in this scenario claims

I TRed Furtive largely because of his claim
the counterclaim changed that
his play independent of that claim was not super townie if you remember

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Lukewarm mentioned in two separate posts you or I were potential mafia. You almost certainly wouldn't have been the elimination but if no pressure came onto Furtive for his role claim the game could've definitely started drifting towards me or you being seen as guilty.

nah that wasn't the gamestate at the time
Eyes was more widely suspected there than you or me
then Val showed up and boom
all pressure off Eyes

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But you suspected Eyes and never spotted it at the time as being weird

yeah I wasn't exactly the most engaged in the game at that time
that's why you should always re-read

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Is is AtE time already?

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honestly you guys should have efforted day1 instead of hiding being ofmercia's bad play
I get it's easy to let town destroy itself
but it gets you later when we realize you didn't advance the game until pressured

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I am still here for questions
if after your final look you have them

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gg

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so this is post-game now
and we usually discuss and hug it out with all the players who are gone
but we do need to wait until midwaybear officially calls it before the dead can be resurrected

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Malcolm, do as you wish. It's the same thing here. If we win I get no credit but if we lose it is you who gets the blame and not me. I've done everything I can to explain my thoughts. If you still think I'm lying then it's on you not me. I just want this game to be over as soon as possible because I can't take this pressure much longer. Sorry if I sound bitter btw.

there is only one player to blame here
he was elimed on day1

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I was routing for you guys
a pretty cool group in this game

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rooting?

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I'm just going to get this out of the way so we can discuss other stuff in post-game:
ofmercia played against wincon which is against site rules

Spoiler: town should never self hammer in a Newbie game

Me refusing to answer a question has really brought a lot of attention and I rolled with it in order for it to be a town tell, but now that I stated it to be a town tell the jig is up. Not sure in what universe scum flat out denies to answer a simple question with a lot of pressure from multiple players. I guess I assumed wrong and somehow it's actually a scum tell. Or maybe players feel it's town but have been convinced by others or by their self conscience that it's "anti town" for 1 question not to be answered. But then the dilemma is that town is ok with lynching town, which makes no sense to me. So I give up hope. Townies pull it together for the rest of the game for the love of god.

Intent to hammer.

Are we allowed to register for another game while active game is on? Need to get noob games done asap.

Oh boy. Will hammer in 24 hours.

VOTE: ofmercia

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Pls change your avatar. I think we're in the queue together for another newbie game!

Never!

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Val for MVP
no doubt!

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Luke - who were you leaning towards being scum at the end of day3?

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I totally did not protect the mafia twice.

that makes this even better

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shotbun
I hope it wasn't too miserable for you
you were a delight to play with
there were times it looked like you were uncertain about what was going one
and this was a collection of some pretty decent players
stick around it gets better!

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furtive
I really enjoyed you in this game
you play loose and so open
and you don't care how it looks
I love that style
never change

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Malcolm and Luke
townbros4lyfe
solid solid town play
we should have NK'd one of you two earlier but we were PR hunting with the Clidd shot
I never want to role scum with you dudes again!

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@TTTT: So you did check Shotbun on N1, right? And Val did pick his fake claim based on knowing there is a doctor in the game, correct?

OMG!
I rolecopped you N1
for reals I did

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Eyes
from the mafia PT:

feeling bad for Eyes here
it's not easy what he's going through
being town and being this close to losing at the end
it's a lot easier on the old emotions to lose here as scum
no matter the outcome... sorry Eyes
nothing personal

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I really should have realized that I was dying 100% of the time vs playing for the chance that I was taken to Elo.

I very much considered bringing you into ELo
you can read all about that and other dumb thoughts I had in the scum PT in a minute

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my main concern with this game is now I'm probably getting insta SR from some of you the next time we play together

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I think what swayed me was a lot of my TT evidence felt circumstantial and at times disconnected. Whereas my Eyes evidence felt like it lined up better re the forced role reveal and later counter-claim.

this is exactly what I was going to point to next
what exactly is your TTTT scum case?
a bunch of weird posts and an ugly avatar?
look at the actual motivations behind the actions
something like that

I really lucked out with the timing of Val's entry and then Eye's reveal of the soft
I didn't think I had a chance until I saw that Christmas gift all wrapped up for me

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Malcolm
I wrote about this in the Scum PT but it bears repeating here:
be careful thinking stuff like "scum would never say this" or "this is too obvious to be scum"
scum will do anything

Pedit: yeah Val and I had like ZERO interactions outside the scum chat
that was not intended it was just his VLA and mine kind of happened that way

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And I admit, I legit had

no idea

what was going on during the game.

no worries
play a few more Newbie games and before you know it you'll be fakeclaiming like Val

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and for the record...

I completely missed Furtive's day1 soft
I retconned that in my big catchup post that nobody bothered to read

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I dunno if it was your motivation, but Val claiming right after Luke suspected you for perhaps the first time was suspect to me.

I can't speak for Val, but as far as I know it wasn't planned
being suspected is part of the game
I was being honest when I said it didn't feel like heat
I've played 16 Newbie games and never been miselim'd

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In retrospect Eyes had a really solid town game, called you and spotted Furtive's claim. Great counter-claim from Val.

you guys got fucked by ofmercia
not just the unnecessary death
but you learned nothing from it
btw every gameday ended way too soon

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^THIS

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Scum PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88665
Dead PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88777

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like if you think I'm unvoting you from your threat of a self-hammer
I'm not ever doing that

this was the scummiest motivated post I made all game

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like if you think I'm unvoting you from your threat of a self-hammer
I'm not ever doing that

VOTE: ofmercia

too easy

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ofmercia
are you still maintaining that your play was ok on day1 when every single player in the game said it was bad?
and multiple people in the dead thread said it was bad?
do some self reflection here
this is a team game and you refused to share your ball
and then when you got called out for not wanting to play you threw your ball over the fence into the yard of that creepy dude everyone is afraid of
(my analogy is breaking down a bit here but stay with me)
I was pissed at your arrogance and your refusal to listen to anyone.... and I was the fucking mafia!

Need to get noob games done asap.

^that shit is insulting to everybody else in this game, who all played to win, even when it wasn't always fun for them
you cared more about "getting this over with" than following the site rules that require you play to your win condition

VOTE: ofmercia

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it is playing against your wincon as town to hammer a player that is confirmed to you as town

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Day 1 was decided

not at all
you had full control to avoid a miselim
I even made it crystal clear that the point was to get you to engage not elim you...

e-2 is not really pressure
e-1 plus intent to hammer is what it looks like it will take for ofmercia to engage
lolhammers are very rare in newbie games
or at least they used to be
it's been awhile

I fully expected you to start cooperating
but you doubled down and self-hammered after being told you were being wagoned for pressure because you were uncooperative

@ofmerica I know it's been alluded to just above, but can we ask again why you are not giving a direct reply to TT's question about your mafia experience? It is really, really weird that you are continually and wilfully avoiding this. And like Lukewarm I'm not seeing a way to avoid casting a vote for you when you're actively avoiding answering an important question that has been asked by another player, it is so simple to answer.

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nah
I'd rather tell you one more time that your play was shit before I move on