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What is of some concern is that he does appear to incite discussion without participating in it any. Now, he clearly is not willing to straight up lurk, and is instead essentially empty posting presumably to seem active (a latere, that's true of Baron too). His vote is clearly comedic, but I'm not convinced that he didn't just take the occasion to join a wagon with plausible deniability.In post 30, Redados wrote:HH’s vote was for comedic effect and I find that post to be less concerning than his other two posts.
As I said, he still is not confirmedly scum in my mind, but I am reading some anti-town vibes from him. Other than that, I don't have yet formed any strong readings, but Redados and CCGeek I read town (CCGeek slightly more, but that's probably just personal feel), Baron slightly anti-town, and the other mostly null. Thou I'd also like to take note of the fact that Elmo did post, but to say nothing and not even submitted a random vote-
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To that extent, and sorry if I'm being really oblivious here, what does this (ego) even mean? I'm sure it's obvious, but I'm frankly not much into forum cultureIn post 12, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Ego-
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I'm not sure that follows. If a behaviour is clearly advantageous to town, then town should engage in it even if it is frequently faked by scum. In fact I'd argue that it being faked should benefit the town, which in the specific case is likely since a talkative scum may possibly incur in some manner of lapsus.In post 48, HyruleHitman7 wrote: That means that if town can get a good idea of each person sooner, they can narrow down the outliers, so it would be in the best interest of each townie to talk as much as possible. However, if scum comes to the same conclusion, they will emulate this behaviour, and it may be seen as scummy, which could lead the townies to try to be less forward.
Again, I don't seeIn post 48, HyruleHitman7 wrote: I have refrained from referring to myself as town thus far, as instantly labelling myself as such when there is little reason to suspect otherwise is incredibly suspicious, but I did find such a label on myself necessary in order to explain my line of thinking.whyit is so. If the argument flows, then it ought to flow regardless of the point of view of the arguer; which I'm not sure it does here, even if I don't disagree on the conclusion-
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Just to be clear, are you suggesting here that town may wish not to force patterns to emerge? Because, at least as I see, town do actually want to make their behavior as transparent as possible in the vast majority of cases, after all there's no risk whatsoever of informing the mafia on the identity of the townsfolk since they already know.In post 56, HyruleHitman7 wrote: 2) A Sus Town
A town where an air of paranoia permeates throughout. This would most likely be later game, when town begins doubting itself. People start contradicting, votes may begin to make more sense with hindsight, and a larger narrative can be crafted. Patterns emerge. Town would be more suspicious of one another, and things may be overanalyzed. In this environment, subtlety is key. Be there, but don't do much. Talk without saying anything at all.-
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@Baron there may not really be an actual reason, but perhaps you may want to comment on that? Specifically I don't see why you could not just select someone at random to do a test.In post 61, Spartan117 wrote: Little unsure why you are trying to test self voting? What could town ever utilise this for? Hmm
I'll show you what it's suppose to look like, here, glad I could help
VOTE: Baron Kirkholm Uttgart
In any case, since your vote got counted all the same, now you may want to unvote-
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Oh, for whatever reason I completely missed this vote-unvote shenanigan while skimming, so thanks for pointing that out.In post 88, CCGeek wrote: And speaking of Spartan, he's been the MOST low-key person this game yet? The weird thing is no one except Baron (the other low-key person who also happens to be widely anti-townread) has really paid any attention to him. And then, Baron just... unvotes??? I do not like this development at all. Just to put some pressure on this slot, VOTE: Spartan
Anyway, I do want to elicit some manner of response from Spartan, so
VOTE: Spartan
Even if to me it's mostly null at this point-
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You know, using the double (now triple) vote toward Spartan as a reasoning does strike me as particularly fishy, since you did unvoteIn post 91, Baron Kirkholm Uttgart wrote: I unvoted because I don’t want to put anything on anyone I have no real suspicion towards- which is seeming especially relevant after the double vote for Spartan. I wouldn’t say that double vote particularly incriminates anyone, but it seems far more weird than the votes Spartan and I had to each other that were essentially just conversationalbeforeany other vote to Spartan was cast (in post #84). And you're right, the reciprocal votes between you too were, at least seemingly, conversational, but I guess they're either really that or may perhaps be an early attempt at distancing-
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May I ask why Elmo specifically? As I understand he did not yet input pretty much anything, and for reasons other than voluntary lurking, so he should be entirely a mystery box at this point, no?In post 114, Baron Kirkholm Uttgart wrote:Elmo, Spartan and Chazary are too hard to tell now. If I were to share my personal first instincts, Elmo I think could be the more likely to be scum of the three.-
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Well, as much you already have made quite clear. In fact, there is quite the back and forth of mutual agreement between you two:In post 114, Baron Kirkholm Uttgart wrote: I don’t agree with a few of the criticisms made of HH, and I think they have made some thoughtful contributions that are helpful to the town, but I am very much keeping a watch on them.
In post 58, Baron Kirkholm Uttgart wrote:
I forgot to respond to this too- I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with the group recognising behavioural patterns. [...]In post 48, HyruleHitman7 wrote:
That's an intensely interesting view. I'd say I agree for the most part, [...]In post 43, Baron Kirkholm Uttgart wrote: Interesting- there’s so much depth to this that I’ve never thought of.
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AgreedIn post 58, Baron Kirkholm Uttgart wrote: I forgot to respond to this too- I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with the group recognising behavioural patterns. [...]-
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Why chazary though? I'd imagine the idea was to gather a reaction, but now that one was given I'm not so sure keeping the pressure on would really do any good. Are you actually reading him anti-town?In post 132, Redados wrote:put your vote somewhere where it does something-
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Welcome in! Now, have you gathered some impression from the game so far (or well, from skimming it, I'd presume reading it all from cold may be a bit daunting)? I'm sure a mostly so far outside observer may have picked up something we missed
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Let's see then.In post 142, chazary wrote:But I also don’t want to risk causing a bandwagon by voting someone else. And I could always unvote but now that it’s tuesday I want to see what Elmo’s contribution is first.
VOTE: Elmo
I'm causing a wagon for you, since I highly doubt a single spurious vote would really be enough to force anyone to react-
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I surely did, how unusualIn post 149, Redados wrote:Did anyone else just see Chazary start a bandwagon on Elmo???????-
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I'm actually not personally too surprised of such statement, even if it is quite in contrast with the oft cited previous reluctance to wagoning.CCGeek wrote:if it's a HH wagon we're building, I'll gladly join in. Information is our key priority rn, and near-elim pressure might be what we need to get a grasp on HH.
In fact, in the specific case of Hyrule, CCG does appear to have been quite suspicious for quite a long time, since page 2 in fact, here's some early samples for reference:
In post 31, CCGeek wrote: Hyrule: Every post is some form of filler, even after Redados tries to induce discussion. Neutral, slightly scummy.In post 70, CCGeek wrote: However, HH definitely started becoming chattier. Some of his arguments do have merit, yes. But I don't have the time in hand rn to poke holes in his posts, will probably do that once I'm back in the evening.
And there does not appear to ever have been a change of mind on the subject. So, @CCGeek, for clarity, are you voting for Hyrule just to put pressure on or do you actually think that he's the most valid candidate for today's lim (which, btw, I wouldn't necessarily disagree on, as evidenced by the fact i still haven't retracted my finger)?In post 88, CCGeek wrote: But yes, in agreement with chazary, HH has been coming off as defensive. Not enough for me to convince myself he's voteworthy.
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I still don't have unshakeable SRs, just suspicions, and part of that is due to the fact that I'm not really spotting any interaction that can point to scum pairs (yes I'm looking for this shit this early into d1). The closest thing I could find to 1-on-1 interactions are mine and redados' interactions on like page 1, Elmo's replies, and Baron and HH's interaction (most weird one to me being that in post #26).-
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God, I should really not post while drunk. I would have sworn you voted for Hyrule, while you actually voted for Baron, so my bad, please disregardIn post 185, biancospino wrote: And there does not appear to ever have been a change of mind on the subject. So, @CCGeek, for clarity, are you voting for Hyrule just to put pressure on or do you actually think that he's the most valid candidate for today's lim (which, btw, I wouldn't necessarily disagree on, as evidenced by the fact i still haven't retracted my finger)?-
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The lots of text is what I'm finding interesting atm. In particular, how he did erupt with quite a lot of text after being initially accused of being too deflecting (see e.g.post 28, post 37, latter's mine), and subsequently reverted to being mostly quiet -- unless I lost something, he didn't post since post #120, on page 5 (and that was mostly theory fluff, but that's not the main point here). This seems to me a rather interesting change in behaviour; though before over-speculating I'd like to hear directly from the horse's mouth, to see his reasons for thatIn post 158, Hellhound1 wrote: His [Hyrule's] comments, combined with little/no positive moves to scum hunt, make me feel that he is deflecting/not committing more than he is playing badly. He has shared thoughts on himself/theory, and nothing on other people. Lots of text, though.-
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Now that I think about it, that is a somewhat strange statement to make. By that point, the wagon had only 2 votes on Elmo, and adding another wouldn't have seemed in any way suspicious; so if Spartan was town I don't really see why a mafioso would want to purposely distance himself from that wagon. But Spartan's slot is the same as Hellhound's, so surely he must have made that statement with the assumption that Spartan was in fact town, which for the above (admittedly shaky) reasoning doesn't jive well with me.In post 151, Hellhound1 wrote:
Is this someone who is trying to distance themselves from a wagon but not too much to avoid suspicion?In post 97, HyruleHitman7 wrote:Just wanted to Unvote from my earlier joke vote. I'll do a little more thinking before I cast it again. I'm not really sure if there are many reasons to vote Spartan right now, but his silence does raise some concern.-
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I see. Then he should really say something game related.In post 200, Redados wrote:
He was only supposed to be V/LA until TuesdayIn post 198, biancospino wrote:Is @Elmo still V/LA?
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I fell like you misunderstood (or most likely I failed to make myself clear). What I meant is that that was an off statement to make on Hellhound's part, or at least it seemed so to me. To that, can @Hellhound please clarify what he meant exactly? To me it seemed to imply that HH!scum would want to distance himself from the Spartan!town wagon, which I'm unconvinced onIn post 204, HyruleHitman7 wrote: It is? I had next to no reason to vote Spartan at that point, and while yes, I did assume that he (and his slot) was town, now I'm not so sure. Spartan provided no reason to raise suspicion, other than his inaction at the time, which to me did not equate to his guilt. I'm only going to hop on a bandwagon I think will be good for town, and to me that wasn't one at the time.-
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For as much, no disagreement on my part.In post 208, Hellhound1 wrote: Look at the wording of HH's post again, this is more fence sitting. OK, by itself not a bad thing, but if we look at HH's bigger picture it is of no help to town and, at this point, his posts had provided no value to town.
Yes, exactly. What I'm saying is, while a townie wouldn't have a reason to, neither would a mafioso actually, in the assumption that Spartan (and well, you) was townie. It was the third vote, possibly the least suspicious one, in fact not jumping on or otherwise doing something with his vote was likely the most sus thing he could do
That is exactly what I was implying. There was no reason to distance himself from the wagon, so why would he?To me it seemed to imply that HH!scum would want to distance himself from the Spartan!town wagon, which I'm unconvinced on-
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Well, there the third vote is the farthest away from both the starting, and the hammering vote (which is fifth). Furthermore, at that moment voting for Spartan seemed to be entirely not alignment indicative.Hellhound1 wrote:
Sorry, i might be misunderstanding here so can you explain what you mean by the above for me? Why is the third vote least suspicious?it was the third vote,possibly the least suspicious one, in fact not jumping on or otherwise doing something with his vote was likely the most sus thing he could do
You've said not jumping on or doing something with his vote was the most sus thing he could do - have i understood that right too? Because he didn't do anything with his vote, and thats why i think, in the context of the situation, it was suspicious.
Also yes, you understood right. And in fact you seem to think in a similar fashion, as you agree on the fact that not making anything of his vote made himmoresuspicious. Hence I don't understand why you would suggest that a mafioso would have any interest of not hopping on that wagon.-
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My objection to that is mostly the same I had way back about your original declaration. I don't think it would have confirmed anything, much less that you would follow a pro-town gameplan. Why did you believe that citing that in the future would serve town in any way?HyruleHitman7 wrote:
I made specific note of the very first time that I myself claimed to be town, and here we are, citing it. Funny, the fact that I pointed out I was going to make a point of citing my first claim to being a townie is the very reason that it was cited, like a self fulfilling prophecy. There is absolutely no benefit for scum or town to say they're town, so why, then, did I claim to be town? I was explaining why, after I had deduced that talking was best for town, I would be doing so. I was attempting to follow the rules I had set out for town, but you (and others) found suspicion in this claim. A claim that wouldn't have helped me convince anyone I was town, and it only served to confirm that I would follow what I had felt was most beneficial for town.-
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Chazary, Brickwall, Hellhound, Biancos (I don’t think any of these have been voted for, would be further towards towny bucket but it’s the first day)[/quote]
To be punctilious, that those slots were never voted is untrue. If memory serves, Chazary was voted by CCG very early, and some time later (~ page 5) by Red (who also asked others to follow, to put pressure); I was voted during RVS by Brick; Hellhound's slot of course received some votes while it was still played by Spartan (in fact it reached a 3 votes wagon).-
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Noob question, is there some manner of formula that is being used here to do the analysis?for vote count analysis, RVS doesn't matter. But it is up for debate exactly at which post RVS ended.
I agree, I would not eliminate Elmo today, at least yet. Say, @redados, since you're both SE, so I presume you've played a decent amount of games on the site, do you happen to have past experiences playing with Elmo? If yes, would you say their usual playstyle is generally lurky?In post 250, Redados wrote:Anti-town does not equal scum, especially when he just hasn’t done anything at all-
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I don't like this post. For one thing, it transparently attempt to convey no content, which is already fishy. But most concerningly it tries to weasel in some nontrivial notions;In post 240, CCGeek wrote:hello, game. I wasn't able to keep up w/ the recent influx of posts, kind of swamped IRL, will catch up in time and share my thoughts. But from what I've gotten from skimming, tho, HH spoke up and shared reads due to pressure on him, with a plausible explanation for his previous behaviour. And suspects hh. Elmo still hasn't posted. Red makes a bigbrain play to root himself and Brickwall in the towncore permanently. Did I miss anything?it quietly states that HH's explanations wrt. his behaviour are "plausible", which is dubious and in fact has been point of contention -- and also, it attempts to put words in Red's mouth which would have some implications.
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Yes. Is declaring E-
nwhen voting just generally good etiquette for small values ofn? If yes, sorry and I'll try to keep that in mind-
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It's only been three times, but you are indeed the player who did that the most times so farIn post 276, chazary wrote:I always be starting pages-
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@redados thanks for the heads up, will keep in mind.
Let me ask something, please only answer with a boolean.In post 98, Redados wrote:HH is limbait
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It may not be in my best interest to ask, but why exactly do you deem impossible for me to be hh!scum's partner? It is hard to look at my own behaviour from outside while pretending to doubt of me, but my interactions with that slot were mostly limited to:In post 294, CCGeek wrote:If hh flips red, I think bianco and esp. Red is cleared 100%, while sus falls on chazary mostly. Also hh + Elmo is a possibility at best, but I'm not sure if it's realistically feasible.
1) casting a vote for Spartan, in a wagon that was there to elicit activity and not necessarily to eliminate; that could very well be just distancing, especially since Spartan's partner would possibly already know of Spartan's IRL issues and that there were hence very little chance the wagon would hold;
2) generally casting some vague doubt on hh, essentially agreeing with his stance w.r.t. HH, while nonetheless objecting to his line of reasoning; and I was not heavy handed either, in that I never actually explicitly accused him. Again, I guess this could possibly be just distancing.-
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So, I read (well, heavily skimmed frankly) some past games of Elmo as both alignments, including a pretty recent one. About the latter there's something I would really like to talk about if Elmo were active -- which I doubt they are --, but in general I have picked up something which I believe is a pretty consistent alignment-indicative pattern. They seem to be vaguely lurky just in general, so there is not much to go on about here, but I have made an idea. I don't want to say what that pattern is before either Elmo reappears or we get mod confirmation that they aren't going to, since by its nature I believe it's better to see if we get some content from them before rendering it explicit. I'm just going to say, for now, that I believe that it is not a good idea to vote for them now as that won't work for anything, and that whomever still has their vote there (that is, just Baron if I'm not mistaken) should move it.-
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Sorry for being so ambiguous, but I really don't want to taint any possible future response of Elmo.
As for your unvote, what I feel is that voting Elmo is not useful right now, not that is actively detrimental, so I don't think that not voting is better. I do kinda understand if you're not yet comfortable with putting someone on E-1, but still, at least do you care to indicate who you would be happiest to lim atm?-
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@Brick,
I'm not SRing them, but not TRing either (though atm I lean town). I will share some thoughts anyway:
In post 302, Redados wrote:I’m leaving my vote where it is
post #302 seems a bit unprompted, but I assume it is a sort of self-response to the quoted part of post #289. Now there were no significant developments on the hh front between those posts, except that he criticized some of CCG's reads quite heavily. So I believe that, if the change of mind between those two posts is a consequence of things happening in the game in that time frame, Red must have some reason not to vote people that are raising doubts over CCG. Both Red!town (if they had genuine suspects on CCG of their own) and Red!scum (if they were partner with CCG and wanted plausible deniability if CCG would ever end up limmed on those accusations) could want to do this. Note that Red has signaled, under request, their willingness to jump to a CCG wagon:In post 290, Redados wrote:Hyrule voting elsewhere is sound. I think that speaks to his town points that he's not voting me, even though I'm the counter wagon. Kind of torn here. Instinctually wanting to vote Hellhound now but that feels emotional rather than logical.
That does make me think that they are probably not scumpartners, but they could very well have just gambled on that wagon just never happening and taking the chance to distance).In post 306, Redados wrote:
I wouldIn post 305, Brickwalll wrote:@Redados, would you consider a lim on CCGeek?
This was in response to #310. This is less peculiar than the HH declaration imo in that it has some plausible motivation, if one were to just read it as "I have no need to answer to #310 in any capacity other than saying that it's false, since it stand on a premise I know being false". Still deflective, however, as it's not obvious to me that there is no value in attempting to refute that with some sort of argument that we could possibly follow. To be fair, they already stated why they felt acceptable to keep their vote on someone they're not SRing, which is one of the biggest accuses, so maybe they just didn't think that merited repeating.In post 311, Redados wrote:I’m town
I also think that their previous declaration of being "SUPER INNOCENT AND NOT SCUM" could be just brushed off as a sardonic joke to disparage HH's post #72 without being openly jerkish, even if it was imho a bit uncalled for. It could alternatively be supposed to be there to be quoted at the end of the game so that Red!scum may make fun of the town, but without jumping to conclusion is null. Somewhat mean in any case, but eh.
The activity level has in general remained about constant, it increased a bit but it's only natural close to the deadline; the Elmo situation is still there; and it is not really sealed that we'll be able to secure today's elimination, in fact atm that seems dependent on whether or not the HH's train will depart, as all other votes are somewhat dispersed; and at least two players have signaled unwillingness to move to E-1 yet. It's true that more players, myself included, have started to vouch for an elimination to be made (is it the general consensus? idk, but I'd like to hear opinions on that if someone disagree); however given all the above I presume Red should be frazzled still.In post 317, Redados wrote:
I was stressed when we had little activity, few productive votes, and the Elmo situation, and I didn’t think we would get an elimination off today. I’ve calmed down.In post 316, Brickwalll wrote:I’ve asked 2 questions which you haven’t answered:
Why are you so stressed?
What are your thoughts on post 310, particularly the last paragraph?
The reason I'm still leaning town (but jury's still out) is that they seem to be willing to jump on pretty much any strong wagon, and generally invite people to use their vote in a way that would generally benefit town. I also want to note that the interaction between Brick and Red is in fact quite prominent, but atm I don't know what to make of it.
P-Edit: I've seen the vote to CCG. This corroborates my idea that Red is town, per what I've said in the first paragraph-
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If we're building a CCG wagon, I'm willing to joinIn post 337, Redados wrote:VOTE FOR SOMEONE-
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Wow, Caps lock. I see that I was not wrong in thinking you're still a bit frazzled.In post 337, Redados wrote:VOTE FOR SOMEONE-
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Yes, I know. It was implicitly an invitation to reiterate if they are still of the same ideaIn post 344, Redados wrote:
Brick sounded like he was up for itIn post 343, biancospino wrote:I will move my vote to CCG as soon as there will be some indication that someone else is willing to go with that wagon.-
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[P-edit: this was intended as a response to Red's post #354]
As I already noted in post #185, CCG has a history of casting doubt on, and generally being suspicious of, Hyrule. In fact, he also confirmed that (or at least I believe he did, please @CCG correct me if I'm wrong) in post #192 (between lots of other stuff that I'm omitting):
He even went as far as saying he would be in to wagon Hyrule, but without ever actually voting for him.In post 192, CCGeek wrote: As for HH, bianco has made my job easier, and I really just have a little to add.
That attitude changed suddenly and subtly with post #240 and #294, even if he denies that post #240 is relevant.
So in conclusion I'd say they might, with CCG attempting to very gently distance while also alleviating the burden of accuses on Hyrule. Btw, that's the reason I was more interested in seeing Hyrule's flip, since if he's scum then I'd be quite more suspicious of CCG, but the viceversa is not so convincing to meIn post 294, CCGeek wrote:
Tbh it seems like you've misunderstood my intent. I have been suffering from slight activity issues recently due to IRL reasons and I haven't been able to invest as much time in this game as I would have liked. Therefore, I decided to bring that up and understand the general read consensus from potential replies without having to dedicate time to carefully read the entire thing myself (I'm lazy, ik). I failed in felicitating such a reply to my post, but Baron shared his list of reads later, which helped me gain a ton of perspective.biancospino wrote:
I don't like this post. For one thing, it transparently attempt to convey no content, which is already fishy. But most concerningly it tries to weasel in some nontrivial notions;In post 240, CCGeek wrote:hello, game. I wasn't able to keep up w/ the recent influx of posts, kind of swamped IRL, will catch up in time and share my thoughts. But from what I've gotten from skimming, tho, HH spoke up and shared reads due to pressure on him, with a plausible explanation for his previous behaviour. [...]it quietly states that HH's explanations wrt. his behaviour are "plausible", which is dubious and in fact has been point of contention -- and also, it attempts to put words in Red's mouth which would have some implications.
Is CCG attempting to sneakily cover HH a bit or I'm overreading this?
Also, in this post, while stating my opinion on the pressure on HH, I simply agreed with a previous sentiment that HH fits the noob!town profile. Now, I do see that how me and HH mutually tr-ing each other can become suspicious wrt your post. But, with this being HH's first game on the forum (I believe Red mentioned this somewhere), it definitely is plausible to read HH's behaviour as towny. [...] This makes me highly TR him right now. My purpose behind wanting pressure on HH led me to this conclusion.-
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Well, there goes the last remaining hope of see some content from Elmo. Now That I'm not going to taint their future nonexistent response, I may as well tell you the pattern I think I saw, but it's dubious if it's relevant anymore. I want to preface this by saying that I only looked at a sample of about three games for each alignment (Town and Mafia/Wolves), so that may be chance.
In each game I looked at where Elmo played as scum, they provided at least a long post with reads, generally quite early. For instance (and the list is clearly not comprehensive), from Mini1317 posts #137, #141, #209,#220; from Open387 posts #383, #386, #388; from Open382 post #120.
I did not find they do that with any consistency when they're town (unless of course I have missed some readlists while skimming). Also worth nothing that they in general do not appear to produce more meaningful content in response to getting voted or otherwise pressured while their town. In fact, in Newbie2105 they explicitly refused to give a read list in day 2 (see post #387) and even threatened to self-hammer in response to being put in E-1 (see #373), and they were VT, and they had been heavily lurking until that point. They did not follow up on the threat, but I'm not sure if they would have were not they hammered anyway.
I hope it is obvious why I didn't want to post this before giving them a chance of saying something, since I wanted to try to see if they were willing to provide a read list. Also I understand that I appear to say that they (while generally not very active) are actually even less active while town, which would be odd, but... that's kinda what I'm saying. All in all, obviously that's nothing really there to read into, but I don't really have a reason to SR them-
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Welcome @BlueBloodToffee!
My read never disappeared, and in fact I referenced it some in posts further down the line. And that vote feels opportunistic 'cause it kinda is, I was genuinely curious about what Spartan would have to say and thought the deadline was so far away that it was more useful to use my vote to put pressure rather than actually indicating who I would want to lim. Next I voted for Elmo, for much of the same reason, and in fact the first vote actually intended for a lim was for Hyrule. I've since moved it to CCG, but I'm still very much not convinced that Hyrule is townIn post 378, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
This post is interesting because it seemed like you were heading towards voting HH (77), but then both Red and Brick stated that they thought HH was town and your read seems to have disappeared? Instead, you have chosen to vote for a 'null player' who is already garnering a decent level of suspicion from other player. This feels opportunistic.In post 102, biancospino wrote: Anyway, I do want to elicit some manner of response from Spartan, so
VOTE: Spartan
Even if to me it's mostly null at this point-
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p-edit: saw BBT posted, I've not read yet
As I saw it, there were no actual reason to directly put pressure on HH with a vote, since it was already been made clear that he was being kept an eye on; and besides, when thereafter he was getting multiple TR, I figured putting a vote there would be even less useful since it wasn't even gonna gain traction. Now, of course I was wrong on that, and most likely I was wrong on playing in this way, especially seeing that HH started to say stuff in response to votes. I even initially refused to move my vote from Elmo's slot, which was most definitely a misplay, but for some reason I became overly eager to see some reaction from that slot, and for some reason I convinced myself that keeping my vote there would help achieve that; which now I understand was probably not particular brilliant.In post 385, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, but my main point still stands. You had no further reads at that time and you didn't vote for HH after he started gaining town reads in thread.
I still don't particularly understand why you chose to vote a null player over somebody who you thought could be scum either. Like, if you thought HH was scum then vote him and start applying pressure there? Instead of a random null slot that is already gaining attention. You know?
In a semi-unrelated note, HH did not post since 16/dec 22:28 UTC, which if I'm not mistaken is almost 2 full real-life day ago. What's up with that, did they go in V/LA or something and I didn't notice?-
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There were no suggestion that I was TRing Chazary simply because I wasn't, and that post was not intended as a defence. I simply wanted to inquire on the nature of the invitation to vote for him on #124 just in case Red happened to have some genuine reads on him. I never got a response, so I just assumed that they hadn't.In post 399, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:The soft-defence of Chazary in 134 felt off as well, I don't understand where this came from as there was no suggestion that he was town reading Chazary at that point of the game.-
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