Olinea wrote:Why are we even discussing this? Hoppster's trying to make it seem like following the #1 rule of LyLo (vote the guy who's voting you) is somehow Town-motivated.
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Hoppster has nothing to lose by voting me, since he'd get quickhammered anyways.
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Without a lack of a quickhammer, the three (or one, in the case of 3p LyLo) undecided voters cannot be carrying both scum. Ergo, one scum is voting Hoppster, so he votes scum.
First off, regarding this, I don't see how everybody thinks that somebody voting for you at lylo with no auto-quickhammer is guaranteed scum. Really, I don't. (Of course, it doesn't mean that people voting early are auto-town, but it's certainly not auto-scum by any means.)
By the same logic of scum always quickhammer, if scum notice town voting town, all an intelligent scum needs to do is go "LOOK I'M NOT VOTING, NOBODY ELSE IS VOTING, SO ONE OF THOSE TWO IS SCUM": a safer and (from what everybody is saying, it would appear to be an) equally effective alternative.
5P lylo is completely different from 3P lylo. There's always a chance your scumbuddy could suffer from random access problems, or the person voting gets sudden doubts and unvotes before the quickhammer, etc.
The reason I voted Olinea was a (in hindsight pathetic) attempt to get some decent reactions. I knew that if Olinea
was
town he wouldn't be quickhammered over myself, so it was a 'risk-free' vote (from my POV at the time).
The Olinea reaction was kinda disappointingly null, so...
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Glass
At this point it's pretty obvious we're almost certainly going to lose, so this is worth a go.
His response to my questions felt like scum setting up two mislynch candidates to me, and goading the two people into attacking each other (a 'win-win' scenario for scum, obv).
He seems fairly convinced I'm scum, yet is waiting for me to produce a case, when by his logic Olinea is auto-scum anyway, so it would just be confirmation bias in all likelihood.
And there's the NK WIFOM - although I haven't had it myself, a lot of people seem to think Glass is super-obv-town. I personally don't, but that aside, why is he still alive?
Normally I wouldn't resort to NK WIFOM, but as I'm going to be lynched anyway we've got nothing to lose.
However, on Olinea:
Olinea wrote:I'm thinking Hoppster + MrBump. Bump is only by process of elimination since I can't see myself voting for Otolia and Glass is, yeah, pretty damn Town. I think Otolia's erratic play and desire to be lynched stems from a lack of confidence in LyLo situations where he doesn't want to make a bad call and lose the entire game. I have free time after class so I'll re-read and see what I can find.
Olinea hasn't justified my inclusion on the scumpairing at all.
If you also look through Olinea's ISO, he's been iffy on me since I replaced in, saying my posting seemed (relatively) town-motivated yet he hasn't really outright called me scummy in any way, nor provided any real reasoning for his vote.
If Glass confirms himself as town (by not hammering) I'll move back to Olinea, but with my imminent death I feel that I need to do something drastic.
Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.