Newbie 1116 -- Game Over

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Okay...I'm going to do this.

VOTE: TheFonz

Threre are two scum, and I can't see two OTHER people being scum that don't include TheFonz...unless one of them is ZachRulez, which I'm finding harder and harder to believe. TheFonz has kinda disappeared, which by itself isn't telling as half the GAME has disappeared at one point or another over the last couple of weeks...but now we're closing in on decision-time and he's gone. So is Grimm, and he's voting for me...I don't like that.

At any rate, I think that Fonz and Workdawg are the scum team and Fonz tried to shoot last night....but COULDN'T *flex*.

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As I said before, I don't find one more likely than the other...but my feeling and vote is based on his last post which read more like manipulation of YOUR words, and based on his general absence from the thread here in what could be the final hours if we're wrong.

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Actually, my vote is NOT because he disappeared...it's the TIMING of his disappearance and probable REASON for his disappearance. I didn't vote for him BECAUSE he disappeared. Otherwise I would've voted Grimm. Don't misrepresent me cymru, or I'll sick the misrepresentation police (Grimm) on you .

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Oh man..that's nuts Fonz...and perfectly explains your absence.

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All right.
UNVOTE: TheFonz

I was literally only swayed by the timing of your disappearance, but I'm socially retarded and didn't even KNOW about the London Riots, let alone connect you to them. Cymru brought it up, but I didn't really believe it until you came in and said something about a totally provable Facebook page.

Since Workdawg is my other pick, obviously...

VOTE: Workdawg

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That's 2 on Fonz and 2 on Workdawg. Chances are scum are splitting their votes right now (or not voting...), so I don't think we're in any danger of a quick-hammer...but obviously that's speculation. Grimmjow continues to have a vote on me in spite of his inactivity/consequential absence...I wonder if I'm still his main suspect or if he intends to change it when he becomes active again.

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I didn't mean to imply that it was, hence the /consequential absence. I'm sure he's not intentionally avoiding this thread.

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I don't think there's NO chance of a Fonz lynch...I'm not dead-set on Workdawg - he's just my only other scum suspect at this point. And Fonz raises some valid points against him...

As far as cymru goes, I'm not OPPOSED to a cymru lynch...I just don't see his actions as indicative of being scum. In almost EVERY case, it could just as easily be explained by newbie naivete...so it becomes a question of what you believe...is cymru a newbie? Or is cymru scum? Of course, the possibility exists that he's both, but even newbie scum would be more careful than he's being in my opinion.

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Fair enough...I hadn't really thought of that. In fact, I hadn't really taken his ability to outargue anyone into account at all...this warrants a reread.

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Okay, it's time. I'm putting Fonz at L-1. I went back and reread the thread, and I've determined that he's gotta die. He argues his way out of suspicion, even with me when I blocked his NK. It's over for you Fonz.

UNVOTE: Workdawg
VOTE: TheFonz

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Cym did it for no reason. I've stated my reasons for suspecting Fonz, and I stand by them. I went back and reread the thread and noticed that he's basically talked his way out of suspicion each time...taken with my jailing him last night, and I feel confident that I'm making the right choice. And Zach is right...Fonz' most likely scum-teams ALL failed to hammer him down. If they were scum and he were not, they would have hammered without prejudice. Without a thought.

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I put him at L-1 because I think he's scum and you're his buddy...so the way I see it, he was in no danger of being hammered...because you were already on him and he certainly wasn't going to hammer himself. And look who Unvoted first.

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And what does his subsequent re-vote at the slightest pressure 'ooze' to you, Zach?

Cymru, don't get any bright ideas...if you hammer and Fonz ends up flipping town, scum WINS unless I can block the NK again...which if Fonz flips town, I'm not sure I'll be able to do. I have NO idea who Workdawg's partner is if Fonz flips town. As unlikely as it seems, the possibility exists that Fonz actually IS town...

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NOT related but....Congratz guys! 50 pages!

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@Cymru

I'm just trying to make sure you know that if you hammer and Fonz flips town, SCUM WIN...that's how important this hammer is...and I have a feeling you're going to be the one to swing it. Grimmjow is hellbent on getting ME lynched, and Fonz isn't going to self-hammer...so the responsibility is GOING to fall to you.

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Fair enough. IF you're town, you're absolutely making the right decision.

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Cym just swing the hammer...did you not read my post about how Fonz can talk his way out of any suspicion? If you let him talk, you give him the chance to escape. PLEASE just do what you're going to do eventually and get it over with. PLEASE.

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DUDE FUCKING DO IT WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? YOU DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT FONZ HAS TO SAY! IT DOESN'T MATTER A FUCKING GIT WHAT HE HAS TO SAY!! FUCKING SWING THE HAMMER JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!

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THANK you Cymru. No, there's no way Fonz was town. Literally no way. You did the right thing sir.

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And that's a lynch ladies and gents...Now we wait for our beloved Host.

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That was NOT a gambit.

Cymru didn't send in the kill. I couldn't because of the fear of a Jailkeeper and my early d2 hammer. -.- If you get a look at the QT, you'll see that our PLAN for d3 was....very different from what happened.

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So I had to think fast...I knew that if there was another power-role it was my word or his...and I'm pretty good at...talking my way out of suspicion (as Workdawg will no doubt tell you ).

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GG guys, srsly...I was sweating the whole time.

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(and yes, I'm ashamed at my bad play there at the very end...but the fact that he felt like he had to convince you guys he was town MORE than he wanted to win was....irking me. )

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Thanks for going the extra mile to ensure that we had, in fact, derped n2 (n3? JESUS this was a long game...) NS...you're a good host.

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I was as surprised as you guys. Our plan was PERFECT....HAD there been a NK. lmao

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Nonono...the plan revolved around not getting a guilty until n3...that he checked you n1, innocent, checked me n2, innocent and checked Workdawg n3 and got a guilty.

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I know it reads differently because the guilty changed after I'd thought about it for a minute...but the n3 guilty was supposed to be Workdawg. At any rate, it's all speculation because that's not what happened. What happened was I fucking SMOKED you. I kid I kid...you and Zach are WAY better than me...I just lucked into some really good posts from the rest of town (for us)

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I had toyed with the notion, but you were playing pretty solid vanilla. And no, in the end the only reason I considered it even possible was because I claimed and you still voted me. By N3 it was pretty obvious it was just me and cym and a bunch of vanilla townies.

GG sir. We'll play again.

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OMG Workdawg that was EXACTLY the post I feared, but never came. LMAO

Dude, that's hilarious. If you'd have posted that, I honestly don't know how I would have responded, because that's EXACTLY what was happening.

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/confirm

This is a good read. But please keep in mind I'm on page 9. Reads so far:

PAGE 9 READS

TOWN
VE (If you are scum you deserve to win for working so hard.)
Workdawg (A voice of reason.)
Cymru (Newbie. But not scum.)

SCUM
Miss JJ (Overly defensive even in passing:)

And then there's the game with me - sure, I was mafia but that alone is no reason to think I am in this game.

PROBABLY TOWN BUT MY PARANOIA WILL ALLOW ME TO COMPROMISE FOR THEIR LYNCH TODAY
BigAl
Grimmjow

EVERYONE ELSE
I haven't gotten to where you're in the game yet.

Just finished my read.

TOWN
VE
Grimmjow
Bluepokemon (Officially takes my one "sympathetic newbie" slot from Cymru.)
Tomie (But this is my least solid.)

LESS SURE OF NOW
Workdawg (Tomie couldn't have put it better and it's the reason I think she's town.)
Cymru (My opinion has changed completely especially with his lack of activity. Plus I realized the AtE just now.)
Miss JJ
BigAl

(Oops, hit submit instead of preview. To continue my previous paragraph) I wonder if a Grimmjow/Workdawg scumteam would be too obvious/dangerous a play. Were I scum, I would separate myself from my partner more, but with such an inactive town, they probably could nearly pull it off. Kill VE today, me tonight and they would be the only ones voting tomorrow...

Maybe I'm getting paranoid

I don't like it. Call it gut.

I also have a gut feeling. Doesn't help that the IC in my newbie game ended up being scum. Bolded is mine for emphasis. I understand that an IC is just an experienced player is human like anyone else, but I don't that part one bit. IGMEOU

I want to wait for Miss JJ's replacement if she gets one before voting her. I'm willing to lynch anyone my bottom list.

Blue is still looking suspicious to me, because after all that he still doesn't seem to have any real thoughts on anything. He's posted up an extremely vague list of "prime suspects" but it consists of everyone who didn't post during that chatfest. I guess that means if you post a lot, you aren't scum?

If that's the case he's learning pretty quickly, I'd say. Lynch all lurkers and all that jazz.

Grimm and VE still seems like town on town to me. They're getting along better, so that's good I guess. FWIW, my initial vote on VE was a pressure vote, and when he flipped his shit, it didn't help AT ALL. Am I convinced he's scum, no. Do I still think there is a chance he is, sure. I don't like my vote sitting idle on no one though, so it stays where it is for now.

*my computer is now awashed in a mist of orange juice*

What? You do realize how suspicious that sounds don't you?

Welcome cobbler

Thank you. This is the first time I've replaced in and the first time I'm not a complete wreck of nerves.

Now, more in-depth thoughts after I've had a while to simmer them over:

BigAl

Seems to be wary of using IC things to get town cred, putting "but that would be WIFOM" every third post.[/hyperbole]
This sounds like IC-scum that doesn't want to get in trouble, and if it wasn't for the not knowing how the QTs work to balance it out I'd have him as a total scumread.

Miss JJ

Yeah, ain't got much to say. Seems to be going for the "easy pickings" of Cymru, plus the apparent overdefensiveness. Even though she wasn't

actively

defending herself that quote of hers in my first post rings alarm bells.

Cymru

Yeah, hard to read. But lurking more often after getting attention is not a good sign, if nullish.

but also because town shouldn't want to know if they exist or not.

But, I never said that they should reveal themselves. EVER. That wasn't even what the disclaimer was about. It was about who I think they should target. I think bigAl is the best investigative and imprison choice. Why? Because he's the IC and people seem to not be trusting him because he seems suspicious, but they also don't seem to be that keen on lynching him because he's the IC. Therefore, no matter what read the Cop gets, if there is one, it's a win-win. The problem would of course be how the cop is supposed to communicate an innocent result. sigh. If the cop ever gets a guilty they should of course vote for the guilty party. And maybe, claim depending on how surprising the result is.


Does anyone else think Workdawg's vote is oppurtunistic? He was defending Cymru earlier but now he votes for him after Cymru gets three FoS and one vote.

No pressure or anything....le sigh

Towniest townie that ever towned a town!

So yeah, I've been reading through ISO's and while I do believe I now more fully understand everybody's positions, it hasn't given me any additional leads on scum. It has given me a headache though. I've read:
Miss JJ + The ISO's of her previous games (Just now)
Workdawg (just now)
Tomie (just now)
Cymru (earlier)

I'll reread bigAl's later.

Okay everyone, please open your textbooks (spoiler) and note the differences in tone from the posts I've quoted and the posts in this game. Cobbler was town in this game, but due to his poor logic I was able to get him lynched d2. In Newbie1116, he was unafraid to give his reads (that is, until his neck was in a noose...that tends to frighten even the most bold townies,) and was very actively trying to hunt scum the whole game. In this game he's been content to just sheep behind his 'town reads' and go with the flow.

Cobbler is obvScum to me guys, and based on A) my case and B) meta, he should be obvScum to you too.

And, as I stated, there WILL be punch and pie.

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Whoops. lol