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another thing bugging me, is the (until now) extense cooperation of Xencobra, i mean if you are town u arent just helping us dude.. lets talk people ok?
ill keep my vote until someone gets more suspicious, but for now i want to hear what others have to sayCall me Tajo.
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ok this game seems to go nowhere. im sad because it is my first game. what does have to happen to make people post here? maybe some pressure?
i dont have any suspects yet but ill keep my vote. people we need to talk. share ur opinions... share ur suspicions.
xencobra said *
not joking at all, what do u think of this game so far, xencobra?Um your kidding right? Its day 1 and it's random voting.
*on a side note, how can i quote with the "somebody said" form instead of just "quote:"? thx in advance-
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ok, The Fonz, u are being extremely overdefensive. Weyouns LastClone didnt say it was an 0MGUS vote, he said it was a kinda one...this is a little suspicious to me... on the other hand, reading the last comments i have to say that im extremely confused with the reaction of the people here. Some people are still lurking and not contributing at all. Mod, can we have a prod in this inactive people?... Snailman is a little suspicious as well, i dont know why, but just something in this snail-fonz conversation doesnt smell right.How in a million goddamned years is that an OMGUS vote?
I have my vote on you, Fonz, and i think im not wrong. do u have something to say?
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Lets contribute with something, before I go to my Halloween party... XD
im totally with Snailman8 and WLC. they both have solid points. However im still waiting for the Fonz response and the opinion of IH, Xencobra and Inferno. Time will tell.
Until The Fonz gives a solid argument why he shouldnt be considered scum and just an agrresive townie, ill keep my vote on him.
BTW, shouldnt we ask the mod for a prod on these lurking guys, is it too early for asking somehting like that? shouldnt we probably put some pressure on these guys? they could be scum and roight now laughing at our faces...-
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ok, i think this will be interesting to write...
populartajo: eager pro-town player... i liked that
WeyounsLastClone: i agree with snailman here. His posts sound pretty pro-town
Inferno: i really dont know. simply there are not enough Inferno's posts for an interesting assumption
Fonz: ok, i might be a bit harsh with him, but how strange is that after posting every day, this guy suddenly stops doing it just because the suspicions raised on him? i smell scum here.
however he might be a bored townie.. think twice before posting ur next answer boy.
IH : makes a copy paste post and suddenly dissapears. waiting for the prod anwer.
XenCobra: i had a little talk with him but sadly this guy also vanished like a ghost. not too much to say, then... where the hell are u people!!
Snailman8: suddenly this guy starts sounding protown after an strange beginning of the game. hes still suspicious to me but he has become a nice and participative player. he doenst stop confusing me lol-
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What?? Overeactive? I mean i dont know if i have a playstyle yet becuase its my first game, but come on, the only think i was doing was trying to get people to talk. Is it considered scummy to try to get as many opinions as we need for revealing possible suspicious roles??IH wrote: Also, I find Tajo's play to be overactive newbie scum atm
Why are u attacking me this way? Something isnt right here.FoS:IH
And i would really like to know where The Fonz is. Every day that goes by I find him more and more suspicious. I find it quite strange that after The Fonz dissapears IH comes back to the game, starts attacking me and then he posts this:
Even after many of the protown players think that The Fonz reaction is a little suspicious. Interesting. Finally this game is starting to be fun.IH wrote: I find The Fonz's play to be consistent with his analyzing style and grab hold of things-
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Yeah. I should agree with IH and WLC here. THAT was overreactive. All my other posts weren't. I only felt it was a little strange that someone with no posts until yesterday pointed me suddenly with no other reason than my eagerness to play... I think i got a little excited with how the game finally is going somewhere. People is talking and analyzing. Having fun here.I, Tajo wrote:What?? Overeactive? I mean i dont know if i have a playstyle yet becuase its my first game, but come on, the only think i was doing was trying to get people to talk. Is it considered scummy to try to get as many opinions as we need for revealing possible suspicious roles??
Why are u attacking me this way? Something isnt right here. FoS:IH
Some thoughts here:
1. Whats an OMGUS FoS?
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If and only if the interests of scum arent in danger.IH wrote:Why would scum go against the majority? Wouldn't they just go with it?
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I agree with Snailman8 here. WLC is as far our protown player. I was going to quote something from him, but all his post seem balanced and well thought.IH wrote:who do you consider protown? Why do you consider them protown?
My opinion about Snailman8 has changed a little. He seems a very interested townie. On the other hand, this may be his strategy. Also, I dont like his attitude at the beginning of the game.
The Fonz has dissapeared. I still have my vote on him but this could change when he comes back and gives a general view of how the game has gone without him.
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wow, i left for two days (i hate work) and i cant believe whats just going on here. People are talking!!
Some thoughts. (I'd really like to reread the thread over and over again with a little more time to stop the confusion in my head, but sorry i couldnt help it. Somehow the two ICs are drawing strange conclusions about me. )
1. Yeah, finally, Fonz is back and i mean it, He IS back. After i think 4-5 days of not posting at all he comes back with the perfect hate-post, the post I was waiting. Something told me to unvote him (i stated that he could be a bored townie) and now I think I couldnt be more confused. He's angry with all the town, but i cant blame him. I think we just put too much pressure in him. But in the other hand, he just doesnt stop being overdefensive and overreactive to all the things posted here about him. I mean, man chill out, it isnt good for ur health.
I mean, Fonz, dont u know who the protown players are? maybe an idea? it isnt too hard. I mean, you are the IC, you should already have an idea of who is protown and scum, shoudln't you?. Let me see. Random example.The Fonz wrote:Gotcha. populartajo appears to know who the protown players are.
If ir read well, you dont think Snailman8 is very protown at all, huh? get my point?The Fonz wrote:Also, for good measure the way Snailman throws FOS' (Friend Of Scum) around and doesn't put his money where his mouth is also bugs me
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Snailman8 and you are my first suspects. You are not alone in this. I also think he has a really strange strange behavior. Also, he's trying somehow to be stragenly helpful with me.The Fonz wrote: mean seriously: does no-one think accusing me of OMGUS when voting a guy FOR THE MANNER IN WHICH HE UNVOTED ME, a vote that was random in the first place, is in any way OMGUS?
3. IH : Although he doesnt stop discovering more and more things about my eager way of playing, i think he's by far our most protown player. I could be wrong, but somehow I think he is just like me : trying to find even the little thing to put some pressure.
Sorry, I dont understand. Care to elaborate?IH wrote:I can't believe I missed this. This is burden of proof. It's in the logical fallacies section of the wiki. Look it up, I'm to lazy to link it atm. Maybe later.
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Yeah, Elmo's decision was kinda unexpected. However, he has a solid point. What do the others ICs think about this? What does WLC have to say?Sialman8 wrote:This page has right conzfuzzled me so far
Now, answering some ancienne questios...
Ok. I am, of course, very log way from knowing it too. And everybody is. I mean, if we allThe Fonz wrote:No. I don't. I have my suspicions, but I'm a very long way from knowing. If you wish to state as fact that X, Y, Z are pro-town, I'd expect at least an argument based on strong conviction, not to just drop it in there.knewwho the scum and town players are, then this game wouldnt have sense. I guess we had a problem of miscomunication. I may not be wrong to assume that forum mafia sometimes has this problem.
Did I state that? When this happened, I didnt even know what was an OMGUS.The Fonz wrote:That, I believe, was Weyoun and not Snailman making the 'omgus' argument. You then stated that I was wrong to argue that it wasn't an omgus vote and that it was an overreaction of me to ask how on earth my vote could possibly be omgus, on the spurious grounds that Weyoun said 'a bit of an omgus vote' rather than 'an omgus vote.'
You werent doing this in the first posts. When you somehow changed your aprroach of the game, I started to think that you could be an agressive townie. Thats why I unvoted for you.The Fonz wrote:You claim to be into 'trying to find even the little thing to put some pressure.' When I do EXACTLY THAT, you vote for me, calling it an overreaction.
Nice strategy IH. Im waiting for your explanation.IH wrote:Fonz I'm also doing something specific with my last post.
I feel it necessary to point it out to the othe IC, before he ruins the awesome scumtell I found.
Last but not least. I would like that Elmo gave his general opinion of all players here. Its kinda strange that he points a player for not being so communicative, posts a solid opinion, and then posts small tiny answers. I would like to hear more about you.-
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Well, to be honest, there was nothing weird in the convesation. The bizarre thing is the context. I found a little strange that somehow these two persons (Snaiman8 and The Fonz) were trying to break a possible conection after the L-2 affair, which of course is even stranger. This of course could be a pre-planned strategy. I could be wrong but I think IH has a better idea as an IC.Elmo wrote:tajo: What did you feel was wrong in the snail-fonz conversation?
Elmo, who do u think could be WLC partner?. This, of course, is assuming you still think that WLC is scum.
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If you thought it was scummy, then why did you do it? There are two possibilities here:IH wrote:I half expected an FoS to come from fonz, because usually secret scumtells can be scummy (trying to get someone to lay out a case, or say "Thats exactly what I saw!")
a) You are town and you really really want to help us even though you thought someone as experienced (as the Fonz) would have pointed your behavior as a scummy one. And even though this fact could have taken you to to a dificult position.
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b)You are scum and you are trying to confuse people like me that really has no idea of what are you trying to achieve with your mind games. I must supposse that taking in count this is newbie land, it sometimes works with the inexperienced ones, but as you state above, it hasn't worked. This of course could have ended in a townie who somehow gave you something suspicious to destroy him.
I'm really confused with your behavior IH. I feel kinda bad to put you in this situation becuase in the last two pages you were really leaning pro-town, but there is something in your thinking process that I dont like.
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I just read Snailman8's post and I feel good that I wasn't analysing this IH affair too much. I would really like to hear Elmo's and WLC's opinions and of course, what IH has to say about this.Call me Tajo.
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IH wrote:So because something can be interpreted as scummy, do you think I'm scummy for doing it anyways to get some more discussion going?
I think that although generating discusion is a good thing, we strictly didn't need one at that moment. And one that relly confused me with what you were trying to achieve. It was not the answer I was waiting, so I feel comfortable doing this.
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Yeah, I dont like Snailman8's attitude at all. He's still one of my first suspects but let's analyse his posts.
I dont like this. If you are town and somehow IH is town, practically the game is over. You see, I dont like IH either, but I agree with Elmo here. Two votes are enough. They put some pressure but we can be sure nothing is going out of controlSnailman8 wrote:yup, his scum buddy wont hammer him
Flameaxe wrote:]I noticed. Honestly, both of the votes seem stretched to me.
These arent the post we need, Flameaxe. Is it too much to ask you for a general opinion of each player? Also I would like that every time u point a player (in this case, me) u gave us a justification. Is it Ok?Flameaxe wrote:Tajo.
I saw this coming after Snailman8 vote. As I stated above, I dont like what hes trying to do. If hes scum, he just showed us another of his strange posts. However, if hes town, he basically just made a mistake and gave IH the perfect oportunity to change town's attention. You are still on my list, IH.IH wrote:Notice how Snailman waits for Tajo to vote.-
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Ugh, looks like someone didnt go to etiquette shool this summer. Nevermind. Again, then, why the wait? Sorry, at this momento I'm confused enough withalmostall the players here, and I dont carry all the experience you seem to have.
Probably because thisI'm not confused, I honestly don't see why you guys are. This is probably one of the more simple rereads I've done.isa newbie game and my first game too?
Seriously, dude. If you really want to help us, share ur opinions, or at least, your experience for future games. Thx in advance.[/quote]-
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I think u need to read all my posts after my IH vote and before this one, but ok, just because I have some time Ill try a recap.Elmo wrote:Considering you voted for IH first, I feel you also need to be answering this question. Do so.
In not special order:
WeyounsLastClone : This guy is strange. His last post tells me that hes not afraid of answering (or at least, evading) old questions, when scum would have proably changed the subject. However, I dont like post 115. He seems to look for an inexistent mistake. Rating : 6 out of 10, where 10 is scum.
IH : Well, this might add some spice to the Snailman8/Tajo theory but I really dont like what IH is doing. He doesnt defend himself, he just tries to blame whoever makes the first mistake. I also consider the "I found a big scumtell" tactic a little bit strange because it is just trying to confuse town. Maybe, looking for someone inexperienced, a possible mistake and the start of a "distractive" bandwagon. Rating : 7 out of 10, where 10 is scum.
Snailman8 : If IH is town, then Snailman8 is scum, simply enough. I dont like the "kill me tomorrow if u dont believe me". If you are town, I can see what are you trying to achieve, but I think u made a mistake. Its kinda strange that somehow scum hasnt taken advantage of this affair. Rating : 6 out of 10, where 10 is scum.
Elmo : kinda agressive player but I have the feeling hes helping us. He answers all the questions and gives solid opinions. Rating : 2 out of 10, where 10 is scum.
Flameaxe : I seriously dont like this guy. His antecesor didnt contribute at all and hes not contributing, either. Im only asking for a general opinion of each player, 1-2 lignes, not just phrases pointing players without backup. Rating : 6 out of 10 where 10 is scum.
Fonz : Athough at the beginning I didnt like him, he has somehow migrated to my town list. I might not need more posts to really describe his personality, but as an agressive townie he seems to be a good helper. Rating : 3 out of 10, where 10 is scum.
I still have problems trying to describe what exactly an OMGUS vote is. Taking in count all this WLC affair. Ayone?-
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So, basically we had a L-3 on Snaliman8. As Elmo stated I dont think Sanilman8 has done anythingthatscummy to put him at L-3. IH, I think you have a lot of explications to think.
WLC wrote:My vote isn't the one that put him on L-1. I wanted to keep Snailman that way a little while to keep the pressure on and see if someone slips up. So I'll unvote Snailman, and going to vote you. Call it OMGUS if you want, but I think you have too big an influence on town right now, and I've seen in other games where the player questioning everybody and acted overly consistent was scum, and I'm getting exactly that same feeling with you.
I dont like this. a) There is nothing good with putting someone at L-3 just to put some pressure or to see if someone slips, especially when we dont want things to get our of control. b)Its not only an OMGUS vote, its trying to divide the opinions so far posted here.
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I have a question. What are the possibilities of winning if we lynch wrong today. I ask this because although I don't know exactly who is scum yet, I might know it after night 1. (taking in count scum doesnt kill me)
As I stated before: If IH is town, then Snailman8 is scum, and viceversa. The possibility of both of them being town is also probable but less possible taking in count that this IH-Snailman8 affair has turn out in a "if I'm scum and I somehow convince town to lynch you, I win" situation.
Both of them being scum is also remote. They don't seem conected at all and both want the other dead.
BTW, Thx WLC for the info. That's the kind of posts we need.
Dumb me. Ill remember next time. L-1. L-1. L-1. Thx.me wrote:So, basically we had a L-3 on Snaliman8. As Elmo stated I dont think Sanilman8 has done anything that scummy to put him at L-3. IH, I think you have a lot of explications to think.-
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Sadly, the game is going nowhere. Some thoughts...
1. Flameaxe if u had a lot of things to do then why the hell did u apply for a replacement?
2. IH has dissapeared as well. I dont get this, maybe hes trying to wait until someone grabs scummy attention.
3. Fonz, Snail, WLC and Elmo have lately showed their interest and I think, that if somehow Flameaxe isnt a lurking scum, probably only one of this four is scum.
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[quote="Snailman8]Im just looking at anything that could be linkage. It could quite easily be nothing. [/quote]
im confused about Flameaxe attitude.
a) I could be wrong but for me, one post out of two or three showing a possible link with IH is just too obvious.
b) I insist, I could be wrong because although it would be too obvious, the way Flameaxe tries to shift the attention is bugging me at the same time.
c) I really dont like your excuses Flameaxe. If they are real, then the best thing you could do i ask for a replacement.
[/quote]I know I have also been guilty of defending players this game too. If you did that kind of stric analysis on me you could probably link me to about three other players..
Right there. Thats why point a) above is still on my mind.Call me Tajo.
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Look whos back. Ok, Flameaxe I wanna know why dont u agree with my IH case. Two, three lignes will be enogh. Lurking time, again?Flameaxe wrote:I don't agree with your IH case, is that so wrong? Call it shifting attention all you want, my opinion on the case stays the same.Call me Tajo.
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Well, its a shame IH is still sick. We need one or two more of his posts (with content obv) to really define his position after all that has been put here against him.
Flameaxe, although u somehow managed to give a opinion, Im asking for a little more of contribution. I do remember somenone posting : "Well, this is easy, I cant believe u havent seen it yet"
Fonz is back with an informative post. I couldnt disagree with you more. IH's scummy smell goes far away than the famous "I found a great scumtell" As Elmo states, its his reaction that makes me wonder. Even though Snailman8 actions can fall under the scum radar, there wasnt a big reason to put him at L-1. Also, I just realized something. It may not be important, but this vote happens after Snailman8 states that hes not going to be able to post within the next 48 hours. Maybe IH tries to get a quick lynch feeling that Snail wouldnt be back at time. As I said before, this may be something silly but it just called my attention.
Ill try a new list as soon as posible. Trying to summarize, IH is still a 7, Snail is 6, Flameaxe is now 7, Elmo is 3, WLC is 5, and be prepared, Fonz is now 6. (Where 1 is town and 10 is scum)Tajo, when you did your little list with the numbers, you had three guys on six and one on seven. I personally don't understand how you can have half the game as more likely than not scum. Has anything changed to separate these guys, in your view?
Ill give u a little explanation before u ask for one. Basically, I dont like how u r trying to shift attention in a subtle way. Also, after all the OMGUS discussion, u have just posted to give general opinions, IMHO in a semilurking state. The only recent post where u have crossed the "too much involvement in the game" line is used to subtly defend IH. Coincidence? I might be wrong but again,FoS=The Fonz. This might be removed if u explain what do u think about IHs posts after the "L-1" on Snail.Call me Tajo.
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I will be absent for 1-2 days. Lets hope IH gets better and Flameaxe realizes hes not helping town. Anyone can dream, huh?.....
.....(Yeah, Flameaxe, I will keep dreaming) Eveybody, Take care.Call me Tajo.
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Im glad IH is back in town. Sadly, I cant say the same about my friend Flameaxe. Time will tell.
Yeah, Elmo. Thats L-1. Seriously, I think IH is the most suspicious player right now (thats why Ill keep my vote on him) but Im not sure if our semilurking players (Fonz, WLC, Flameaxe) agree with the rest. Of all three, I d like to hear Fonz's opinion the most. As an IC player he definitely has to have some thoughts about this, right? That doesnt mean I wont read WLC and Flameaxe opinions, but Im seriously waiting for Fonz's experience to be shared in this delicate moment.Call me Tajo.
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I totally forgot.IH wrote:
Silly false dillemmaTajo wrote:
As I stated before: If IH is town, then Snailman8 is scum, and viceversa. The possibility of both of them being town is also probable but less possible taking in count that this IH-Snailman8 affair has turn out in a "if I'm scum and I somehow convince town to lynch you, I win" situation.
Whats exactly a false dilemma?
I honestly think I was using a little bit of logic in that paragraphCall me Tajo.
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Damn!!... These last four posts dont make sense at all.
In chronological order:
Why, oh why do you avoid IH's L-1 situation? Why arent u voting him if ur top suspects were Snailman8 and IH?WLC wrote:Flameaxe needs to come with some input soon. Unvote. Vote Flameaxe.
Lately, Ive been thinking you are just an angry townie kinda ala Fonz at the beginning of the game. But then I dont understand why are you being so anti-town? Maybe beacuse u entered the game when IH situation was a little out of control? If u come up town, then u shouldnt be playing mafia.Flameaxe wrote:GOOD PLAY! GOOD PLAY! THATS IT, BUS ME MORE! GO GO GO!
We definitely need ur opinion, man. We definitley need to know exactly why u dont understad the IH wagon. You really need to have a strong point or a better suspect for not voting IH.Fonz wrote:Erm... be with you shortly guys. Still don't understand the IH wagon.
I think this post and my current agreement are based in the following fact: Flameaxe antitown attitude would have already hammered IH.Elmo wrote:Yea, it's IH and Flameaxe.
However, Im slightly confused. I see scummy actions everywhere. I see them in WLC and Fonz.(read above) Even in Elmo's opinions without suport. Townies, this is the time for being townie! Post, support.
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First of all, I love long posts. Specially from people who werent contributing at all.
Ok, Ill post something more useful... Wait, OMG, I cant believe YOU are suggesting ME to post something more useful. Wait again, did u write more than three lignes in a single post? Thats crazy dude, how did u do it?Flameaxe wrote:Failing at reading there. Please post something more useful.
The replacement was for a personal reason that ended up not being as big of an issue as I intended.
Seriously, why my dear Flameaxe, why did u post more than the usual NOW? Sure, Snailman8 has done a lot of scummy things but why now? You could have done this with a lot of posts the day u entered the game. Frankly it seems to me u were expecting the best opportunity to jump into someone and make him look suspicious.
But, then, Fonz, why are u supporting him? I repeat, Snailman8's long post was indeed kinda strange with a lot of valid and invalid points, but Ill have to give him credit for not being scared of posting something like that. (We get lurking people to contribute. How strange is that?) The thing that bugs me is your reaction to this. I can apply to your case the same logic above.
So, youll probably be thinking why do I defend Snailman8? Well, Im a newbie. I suppose hes one too. We dont seem to share the IC gamestyle. (Lurk, jump into something suspicious, lurk, wait for someone to make a mistake, lurk, etc, etc) He thinks something is wrong. He posts it. Thats why, although, hes under the scum radar, I have the strange feeling hes just scumhunting. Of course, if u were mafia, u would be scared to post something like that.
And then, as I repeated many times. If we lynch wrong today, then my first suspect in D-2 will be Snailman8. Simply enough.
Would someone tell me why is this a HUGE scumtell? Three ICs have stated this. One after I posted it, million years ago, the other two in this last page. Kinda strange, huh? Im going crazy if someone doesnt explain it to me. My logic here was "Well, I think Fonz agressiveness might be scummy, lets post this and keep the vote so he can explain himself" Scummy enough?Tajo wrote:Until The Fonz gives a solid argument why he shouldnt be considered scum and just an agrresive townie, ill keep my vote on him.
So far, this game has gained again my interest. What a dramatic L-1 situation here. BTW, IH where are u?Call me Tajo.
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Wow, Flameaxe two long posts in less than 24 hours. The end of the world must be near.
I seriously dont believe in meta after finding out what it means. You could always try nex strategies. In fact, Im starting to think using the IC style for my next game. Yes, the IC style, more of this later.Flameaxe wrote:Again, please meta better. This isn't uncommon play from me whatsoever.
You get nothing and like it... Just kidding. You oblviously didnt read my post very well. What I was trying to say was that you are not being scummy for the fact that u start to contribute, you are being it simply for the fact that u could have done this a million years ago. Especially after reading this:Mind if I ask you something? I start to contribute, and because of that, I'm being scummy?
Then why didnt u give town these new long posts atUhm, what? I've been suspicious of snail since he pulled the shit however many pages agothatmoment.? Lazyness? Waiting for the best moment and reason to jump into someone? This, to me, smells bad.
Oh, God, read my post. Im not ignoring him at all. Hes still high in my scum rating, remember? The thing is that now, in my opinion, there's more possibility of finding scum in a player who suddenly tries to shift the attention and in one thats lurking too much for my taste.Him 'not being scared' to post it shouldn't hide the fact those invalid points and overall bullshit. I don't understand why you feel the need to ignore everything Snailman does, and why you have done it for most of this game. Fonz has every right to go after his case, just as everyone does.
So far, all the ICs here prove my point. There's indeed a tendency in all u, mafia or town. U seem to answer to other people's opinions (usually newbies) rather than creating new ideas for debate.Crap logic, with a slight side of WIFOM. Very smooth. Also, there is no 'IC gamestyle' that you speak of. After you play for a while, you start to develop your way of playing. Everyone is different, there is no set 'IC style'.
If u think Snailman is scum then why dont u vote for him?I see some crazy over-reacting from you here, and am happy with my vote now.Call me Tajo.
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God, Flameaxe, U just gave me a good big laugh. I love when people like U gets annoyed.
Obviously, I read better than U. I knew that U thought Snailman8 was scummy since Ur first posts. The thing that strikes me is that U somehow changed Ur approach of the game with his (and my) last posts. This doesnt seem right. Why did U change Ur gamestyle now, even when U thought Snailman8 was scummy since the beginning?Point 2, I've given my opinion of Snail long ago. Try reading, buddy. As for the waiting for the best moment 'case', it simply doesn't apply. If you actually read shit higher than a 4th grade reading level, you would know that everything I commented on from Snail DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN. So sorry that you didn't realize this sooner. How exactly does that apply to right now, in your opinion?
I agree his last post was filled with some BS, but he had some valid points as well. Think about it, if U were scum would U post something like that?That wasn't my point, at all. My point was that you are letting all of the bullshit in his case slip by with the excuse of 'at least he wasn't scared to post it'. That in itself, is more bullshit. Also, I'm sorry from 'trying to shift attention' away from IH, but the point is: most of snails case is full of bullshit and hypocrisy.
Again, U didnt read that well, pal. IH didnt share any new ideas. He tried a trap. It didnt work. I saw this as scummy. I simply put a vote to pressure him so he could explain himself. Then all happened. Snailman8's second vote and posterior posts were suspicious but IH reactions were even more.This seems like debate to me. Also something else: most of your reasoning to pressure IH right now, is that he pointed out and decided to share 'new ideas' (aka his scumtells he pointed out) and it caused...DEBATE! Whoa!
Also, 'U' is not a word. English is advised in any games you play with me in the future. Keep that in mind.
Well, If U, (yes U) plan to answer this post and posterior ones in future games, U'll need to read all my posts a few times, with every little U inside.
BTW, Ill stop responding everything U post. I have the feeling this is exactly what U want, "trying to shift town's attention". So, Im not playing Ur game, dude. Lets hear what other gamers have to say, especially you, IH. WLC and Fonz, I havent heard of you in a while. You are lurking too much for my taste.Can we have a Mod Prod on IH, WLC, and Fonz?
Now, IM DONE.Call me Tajo.
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Because I had the feeling u werent going to post somehting useful (taking in count all the input after ur post). Guess I wasnt that wrong.Fonz wrote:Why would I need a prod within 24 hrs of my last post?
Nahh, Just kidding there Fonz. I seriously forgot u posted in that morning. My bad. BTW, do u have an opinion of the other players?
And, please, Can we have a Mod Prod on IH?Call me Tajo.
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See, Fonz? Thats what town gets when u post frequently. An interesting (and obv different) read of your own.
Why is it a bad move? Im assuming u are thinking here Flameaxe is a possible buddy. In general, what do u think of him?Thing is, apart from me and Flameaxe, there's no-one who strikes me as a possible buddy. And from my perspective, someone who could only possibly be scum with one other player is a bad move. IH's play appears to be consistent with genuine scumhunting.
I agree wit u, Elmo. Can I PM the Mod for this situation?Spurg wrote:I agree. I wouldn't do that, but I also do think that it's scummy, and his (lack of) responses do nothing to change my mindCall me Tajo.
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Its ur personal opinion. I find them funny. As a newbie I cant be in more than a game, so when this game is boring I get fun in the other. Now, into the game?Call me Tajo.
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Well, if I write something defending Snailman8 then mafia will jump on me as quickly as they will be able to. I just want to state this:
Weyouns Last Clone, If u r not sure about Snailman, then why did u put him at L-1? Am I the only one finding his reasons extremely flawed and suspicious?
Well, something good for town has to come of this new L-1 situation. Maybe IH will come back. Who will hammer : Fonz, Flameaxe?Call me Tajo.
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Ok, back again with more info. This game is not going anywhere. Even now we have two L-1.
Interesting. Why isnt he voting for his other suspect (besides me)?Flameaxe wrote:I'm not moving my vote. Why? Because I find Tajo more scummy than you at the currently point in time.
a)Townie trying to gather more information.?
b)Scum too worried about D-2?
c)Am I more scummy than him? Really? What's so scummy in me?
d) Im sure there are a lot of other possiblities (probably Flameaxe will respond with some)
I dont agree. Townies could jump in his behaviour as an anti-town attitude. Scums and antitowns players are bad for town. I mean, he wasnt contributing. Thtas antitown IMO. What did he expect? That we somehow catched his gamestyle when the first thing he did was trying to subtly defend IH before avoiding our questions?Fonz wrote:As for Flameaxe- I can't read him. He does seem a little more rational than normal. He doesn't leap out as scummy to me, and his style is one upon which opportunists often jump.
I seriously see Flameaxe using this gamestyle as scum trying to get an eager newbie and then call him an oportunist and putting all suspicions in him. Its funny and ironic that IH kinda tried this pages ago and he's at L-1 today.
FoS again : Flameaxe
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Theres something I dont like about this post. In the meanwhile, Ill say I dont see Snailman8 and IH(now Elias) as possible scumpartners. They badly want(ed) each other dead.WLC wrote:I don't see why I shouldn't have voted for Snailman. I don't find Flameaxe really suspicious anymore, so my vote wasn't in the right place anymore. At this point in the game, I don't think it's good for votes to go to waste. And Snailman together with IH are my main suspects. At this point I'm not certain enough to lynch either of them, so I voted for Snailman. In such a situation scum might slip up, or if someone goed for an obvious quick lynch, we have very useful information.
It was time, Mod! Thank you very much. Elias, have fun reading all the thread. Welcome aboard! Your sig made me laugh.Elias wrote:hey guys, im replacing IH. I think I can be caught up by tomorrow night.
I havent heard a lot from Elmo lately. It would suck to ask for another replacement. Excuse me,Mod Prod=Elmo?Call me Tajo.
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Ill wait until you finish reading the thread and give us a solid opinion of all players here.
Probably beacuseElias wrote:I dont see anything particularly odd out of IH thus faryouare his replacement.Call me Tajo.
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Again, whats the point in bringing irrelevant things to the discussion? I dont care If I won or if he did. This of course has to have some correlation with the fact Im voting u and Flameaxe isnt.Elias wrote:First off, I want to give some totally out of context props to Flameaxe for being able to troll a player while stilll making quality relevant posts. By this, I refer to his long discussion with Tajo, and I would definately say that Flame came out of that as the winner.
What does it differentiate from IC scum trying to get suspicious reactions (especially from newbie townies) so that he can develop his strategy from them?Elias wrote:Ok, back to more relevant things. So far, I really haven't seen any reason for me to be at L-2. IH hasnt done anything particularly scummy in my opinion. His trap failed, but that doesnt inherantly make it a scummy trap. Anyways, I've had personal experience with IH's playstyle before. The way he usually plays is to formulate traps and gambits to work out sincere reactions. He then uses these to discover people's motivations, and thus, their alignments.
I think his plan didnt work because it would have done it perfectly in a silly newbie environment. And yes u r right. I suspected him even more for the simple fact that he didnt defend himself very well. Thats why although my first vote was just a "I find ur recent action scummy so lets wait for ur defense" vote, my perseverance on him was because he didnt support his action properly.Elias wrote:From what I've seen, his biggest fault is when his plans go awry and the town starts to suspect him for it, as he is not the greatest at defending himself.
He even posted something like this:
Then, he put Snailman8 at L-1. I really can understand his reasoning. Snailman8's actions were indeed scummy, but why in hell did he put at L-1? This is the breaking point for me. This is where I started considering Snailman8 as an eager newbie townie (somehow I feel identified with his gamestyle) and IH a calculating IC scum.IH wrote:I half expected an FoS to come from fonz, because usually secret scumtells can be scummy (trying to get someone to lay out a case, or say "Thats exactly what I saw!")
Of course, I could be wrong. And Snailman8 might be scum just trying to agree with me to get my support. And IH's trap and L-1 could have been sincerely protown. But I doubt it. Theres something in both of their gamestates reactions that makes me feel good about my current reasoning.
1. Again, I dont believe in meta.Elias wrote:On to Flameaxe. I can once again support a player for meta reasons. Though I dont have any completed games with Flame, I've seen his playstyle in action indirectly (reading other games). While annoying, there's one thing you can say for Flames style: its consistent. I dont think he's scum, but I dont think he's town either. I think, based on what I've seen in the past and today, that Flame is unreadable for now.
2. I can see he's consistent. But mafia isnt?
3. I agree he's unreadable, but what role feels more comfortable in this state? An unreadable scum or an unreadable town?
U see, Fonz is too strange for me. He sometimes seems protown, others kinda scummy. I've suspected him without success. He's probably my hardest reading in the game. Neutral, I guess.Elias wrote:There's not much for me to say about Fonz. I completely agree with his opinions on overdefensiveness, as I am always defensive as town, and so I worked it into my scum play, and now it is an integral part of my playstyle. Overdefensiveness is only a scumtell for certain players who have been oblivious to the usefulness of playstyles. But yeah, pretty certain Fonz is town.
I consider WLC scummier than Fonz. The reason? He put Snailman8 at L-1 with an extremely weak argument. After a reread of his posts, I can see which were the reasons for Elmo to enter the game with a WLC vote. This guy is somehow (in Elmo's words) allergic to express his opinions. And when he does, he backs them up with such weak reasons.Elias wrote:WLC: It's been hard for me to get a read on WLC, as he seems all over the place. His opinions coincide with me a lot of the time, then suddenly I come by a post of his that I completely disagree with (such as finding Tajo the most protown player). For now I'll consider him
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An strange fact however, is that u (and Flameaxe in a lesser way) haven't said anything at respect.
Elmo is kinda neutral too, slightly protown. Im going to quote something I posted about him when he entered the game:Elias wrote:Ok, now Elmo. When Elmo first starts making relevant posts, I thought of him as protown. Though he has made some bad posts of late. Like, I really don't see the case for IH. At all. Seems a little bit off. Also, he's made a couple of odd votes.
Can u quote that bad post and votes u refer?populartajo wrote:Elmo : kinda agressive player but I have the feeling hes helping us. He answers all the questions and gives solid opinions.
Well, I learn fast. Im still an eager newbie. I make a lot of mistakes, mistakes that scum likes to stand out. One thing, if u considered my eager noobness a faked act and that I revealed that I had a pretty good idea of how the game worked, then why do u posted something like this:?Elias wrote:Populartajo. Also, WLC touches on a good point early on, in that tajo had been seeming kind of like an overeager newbie townie, but as the game wore on, he revealed that he had a pretty good idea of how the game worked. This made me think the eager noobness was an act. Though I'm not one to trust gut. I find the fact that WLC defended him to be really odd, and if tajo is scum, WLC is probably his buddy.
Also, why are u suspecting WLC with such a weak reason?Elias wrote:Now here's been a fun read. I like the way that Tajo goes about this game in a really arrogant manner, despite the fact that he's been wrong in most aspects of it.
Of course u r not going to like him if he's ur principal attacker. And I think theres something I read in the wiki called "Appeal to Authority". And yes, his jump and his "lynch me day 2" are scummy as hell, but the thing is that I found u scummier than him.Elias wrote:Finally, Snailman. I havent liked snailman all game. His opinions have really clashed with mine, though I cant really think of any particular examples right now (Ill get them sometime this week), besides his case on me, which both of the other IC's promptly shot down (with good reason). Also, his jump on my wagon was scummy, and his "lynch me day 2" thing.
So, my vote stands where it is. Waiting for ur response.Call me Tajo.
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Glad something irrelevant brought up such a weak argument. Appeal to Authority. Its indeed worse than it seems because there’s the probability of one of them being ur scumpartner.Elias wrote:The point of bringing irrelevent things to the discussion is to preserve a sense of this being a game. I noticed something funny and noted it. Also, the correlation between the two voting anomalies is that Flame, as an IC, recognized that the case on me is crap. Dont believe me? Well look back. Fonz agreed too. Are you going to accuse us all of being scum?
Ok, this will make my life easier.Elias wrote:So basically, I guess the main case against me are two things: the "plan", and the -1 vote. So. I'll address those officially.
Yeah sure, he would post a link where he used this strategy as scum. This only proves that IH didn't consider his trap a null tell. Or even worse, he wanted us to think that it was a town tell.Elias wrote:Regarding the "plan":
This is completely a null tell. IH has done this exact gambit as town and scum. He even provided a link in his defense where a townie in a completed game made the same exact gambit. This really proves that its a null tell, as it is inherantly something that townies may do for the benefit of the town, and thus something scum can do to blend in.
IH had to admit it becuase HIS TRAP DIDNT WORK. He had to quickly justify his "scummy" action because as he states, the other IC could have jumped in his case. However, none of the four here : Fonz, you (Elias), Flameaxe and Elmo (both in a lesser extent) seem to have problems with the trap itself (basically agreeing that it’s a null tell)Elias wrote:THERES NO WAY TO TELL WHICH IS HAPPENING WHEN A PLAYER DOES IT. Therefore, its not a scumtell. As for the admittal of guilt thing, OMG HE TOLD THE TRUTH!!! The whole point of this gambit is that secret scumtells are scummy, and by saying you have one, you get sincere reactions from people. Again, it is more protown to admit it then to claim that what he did wasnt scummy.
So the point here is why did he have to justify his trap so quickly? The most possible explanation is because heknewthat he was doing something scummy.
I don’t even want to imagine what would have happened if his trap had worked in the most possible wrong way (catching a newbie townie). If u read the post where I FOS IH, I clearly state that the fact this trap gave IH the possibility of being in control of a possible reaction is slightly suspicious. Ok, Ill post it because “not quoting something I already said and u should have already read” is scummy for u.
That’s why IMO his trap is scummy.Populartajo wrote:If you thought it was scummy, then why did you do it? There are two possibilities here:
a) You are town and you really really want to help us even though you thought someone as experienced (as the Fonz) would have pointed your behavior as a scummy one. And even though this fact could have taken you to to a dificult position.
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b)You are scum and you are trying to confuse people like me that really has no idea of what are you trying to achieve with your mind games. I must supposse that taking in count this is newbie land, it sometimes works with the inexperienced ones, but as you state above, it hasn't worked. This of course could have ended in a townie who somehow gave you something suspicious to destroy him.
I think his reasons weren't strong enough = I think his reasons were weak. An -1 vote with weak reasons seems scummy to me. Thats why I suspected WLC who could be now laughing at our faces. The thing is that this -1 vote doesn’t compare to other -1 votes here in the game. It was the first -1 vote with weak reasons, although I do believe Elmo’s reasons were indeed less suspicious for the simple fact they are consequences of the previous ones.Elias wrote:Regarding the -1:
Ok, this is simple. -1 is something that scum would like you to think is always scummy. This is not true. -1 is only scummy when its very early in the day, and thus premature. The discussion here had been going on a long time, and IH seemed to really think he was scummy. Thus its not a scummy -1 vote. If you dont think IH's reasons were strong enough, thats still not a scumtell, as people will always have differing opinions on how strong scumtells are. So there goes the second half of your case.
So, u r voting for Elmo. Even though, your favourite IC (Fonz) hasn’t suspected him in all the game and to my eyes he’s perfectly townie. I can see u being suspicious of me and Snailman8, but Elmo? Come on. Following ur case, the only scummy things he has done is the L-1 on IH and now on U, and now not quoting what he has already posted.
And just cut the aggression. It makes me think that u cant find another way to make ur arguments believable.
BTW, I cant believe Fonz, WLC cant have an opinion of this situation. I hate doing this but someone has to.Mod Prod : WLC, Fonz?Call me Tajo.
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Ok, Back from holidays.
Town is really quiet these days after some interesting defense from IH's replacement, Elias. I understand that it could be due to the holidays but the only ones relaxing with this lack of posting are scums.
So, instead of responding of what others say, imply, quote, etc, its time for general analysis Nº3, I guess. I might have some interesting information.
But, before, Irrelevant post time :
I kinda agree in this problem with WLC, as u all may notice in some previous posts. It's not COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. IMO, this is a game, u r supposed to have gamestyles and such, but what's the point in cursing to reinforce ur ideas if u already think they're good enough? I don't live in a perfect world, i curse every day, life is crap, but people, this is a game. Reinforcing ideas with insults, (CAPS is ok) is an easy way to get emotional asnwers and an easy way to get into a personal argument possibly avoiding the most important part of this game : a sincere analysis. There are a lot of ways for being agressive and I sincerely think cursing is not an option.Snail wrote:WLC wrote:Why do you have to post with bad manners to get your point across? It's completely unnecessary. It just struck me as extremely odd that Elias told us he's good at defending himself, and then starts with caps and scolding at people.
GET THE FUCK OVER IT YOU DUMBASS
The fact people dont live in your perfect world where no one swears or says a bad word about anyone is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the game.
Ok, into the analysis.
Elias : Interesting defense. I must admit it has had some effect in my reasoning process. I still think IH's trap is scummy for the simple fact that nobody has answered this question;:
I don’t even want to imagine what would have happened if his trap had worked in the most possible wrong way (catching a newbie townie).
Fonz : I can't stop suspecting this guy for the fact that he just spends his time watching the thread and posting without content. I'll wait for his analysis in the Elmo's case. Slightly suspicious.
Elmo : I don't really see how this guy can be scummy for the fact he didn't quote his ideas. It's hard to read him becuase since the beginning he started to post just small answers. Its probably his style. Hos suspicious is the fact that he could have agreed with what just was said about IH at that moment to put him at L-1? However, if he's lying and not posting soon enough with some answers he could be in trouble.
Snailman8 : Im starting to feel Snailman8 can be more suspicious than I had already thought, Its probably the effect of Elias defense and my reasoning that if Elias isn't scum there's a big possibility Snailman8 is. He has done a lot of scummy thing but I like his style though : impatient eager newbie and I kinda feel identified with it. It might be, however, his strategy to gain my support. I dunno. This game is really confusing.
WLC : I'm starting to think WLC is just a townie with some weird ideas about this game and his concept of scummyness. His L-1 in Snailman8 is indeed scummy but What do the IC band think? Fonz has already one vote on him. Is he suspicious? Is it sillyness?
Flameaxe : He doesn't change his approach of the game. He's like Fonz that only posts when we don't share his ideas with the only difference that he really is defending Elias. It's OK, because they both could be townies, but again, they could be our scumpair.
General thpught:
If you are town and have some time, post something like this. It's just what I ask. There are only 2 scums in this game. We're five. Information, posts, is what we need.Call me Tajo.
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Is it so hard to make a list with your opinions about other players?
Now that I think about it, it's a possibility. However, I don't know yet if WeyounLastClone is just newbie town or silly scum.Fonz wrote:All I can say is Elmo's drift on the subject of Weyoun screams early bus to me.
I reformulate, then. What would have happened if the trap hadn't worked like IH (assuming he was town) wanted to? What would have happened if player "newbie townie" had reacted strangely enoughElias wrote:
er, thats not really a question, firstly. Secondly, the trap isnt really "working" if he "catches a noobie town". Also, I don't think it really would catch a noobie town, as the trap plays off of the tendencies that noobie scum have as being different from those of noob town.populartajo wrote:Elias : Interesting defense. I must admit it has had some effect in my reasoning process. I still think IH's trap is scummy for the simple fact that nobody has answered this question;:
I don’t even want to imagine what would have happened if his trap had worked in the most possible wrong way (catching a newbie townie).forIH? Being in control of a determinate situation, reactions, etc is what just doesn't smell good to me.
And, again, I hate doing this and Im wondering if Jdodge does ever read this:Mod Prod : ElmoCall me Tajo.
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Sorry for the double post , i just read what WLC just posted.
I agree. However it just may be some eager townie behavior like mine. The difference is that he has indeed some scummy things in his back. I still can't take out of my mind the "lynch me day 2" argument.Snailman: his first day vote/unvote for The Fonz doesn't sit right with me still. He's also the one throwing around the most FOS'es, and seems to sway along sometimes, when he feels he can jump on another ones argument
It's my first game. I indeed didn't know a lot of things when the game started but I found the wiki reading and the help here quite informative. Then, I believed I knew some abreviations, concepts, etc here, but the whole OMGUS situation between you and Fonz makes me think that one never knows exactly what something means.populartajo: maybe I'm really wrong, but I think he's an experienced player, who created a newbie account, and wants to try to use the playstyle of a newbie. He talks about prodding already on page 2, but needs explanation on OMGUS (why would he know what prodding is, but not OMGUS?). And sentences like this: "I have a question. What are the possibilities of winning if we lynch wrong today." make feel a little bit suspicious towards him. Snailman and 'tajo also seem likely scumbuddies, because of how they're defending each other.
And that's another reason I still think his trap is at least antitownie.IH: I don't like the trap he set up. Why claim to see a scumtell when there isn't one. It only brought confusion to each and everyone of us, which wasn't good for town in my opinion.
This post and this kind of senteces makes me think that WLC may just be newbie townie.Also, he warns of the danger of putting someone at L-1, but is the first one to do so himself.Call me Tajo.
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I don't know. You never know how someone can react and scum can work its reaction according to the cirscunstances. Thats' why IMO, townies should avoid possible confusing situations. Confusion = town loses, scum wins. And, Fonz, why are you ignoring this?Fonz wrote:I'm sorry, but the fact that people are confused doesn't make it antitown. Unless you wish to assert that confused town respond in exactly the same way as confused scum.populartajo wrote:I reformulate, then. What would have happened if the trap hadn't worked like IH (assuming he was town) wanted to? What would have happened if player "newbie townie" had reacted strangely enough for IH? Being in control of a determinate situation, reactions, etc is what just doesn't smell good to me.
Don't you think he's a little newbie/silly for his general posts, ideas, suspicions?Fonz wrote:What do you mean? Weyoun is far from a raw newbie. IIRC, he was already 'mafia scum' when this one began.Call me Tajo.
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Again, you never know how someone is exactly going to react. And again, I assume scum would simply avoid this kind of traps.Fonz wrote:But the rationale behind the trap is that most townies would react in one way, and scum in another, newbie or not. This may be stating the obvious, but if newbies in general tend to respond to a situation in a certain way because they're newbies, rather than due to alignment, it's not a scumtrap- it's a newbie trap. The fact that none of the newbies in the game actually 'sprung' it indicates that it was not, in fact, that.
So, assumig IH is town, the worst scenario (catching 1,2,3 or 4 townie(s) out of 4) is more possible than the best scenario (catching 1 or 2 scum(s) out of 2). And the odds icrease if IH is scum. What would have happened if a townie had fallen in his trap? I can't never know. But, there's indeed a tiny possibility of that townie being lynched or at least strongly suspected. And that's a situation townies should avoid : a possible confusion. I'm not saying IH is 100% scum. He indeed could be but what I want to state is that his trap isn't a null tell. It's at least, if not scummy, antitownie.
Analysing Snailman8 recent post:S8 wrote:Tajo: Esp recently all Im seeing is decent sencible discussion. I still totaly dissagree with the "hot-headedness is bad defence point"
I don't think it's a bad defense. It's totally unnecessary if your post is already well supported; and the only thing it seems to provoke is emotional reactions and endless debates, rather than sincere opinions.
This is a pretty different opinion from the one u had some pages ago where he was the most possible IH scumpartner. His gamestyle is the same you suspected too. What doesnt exactly sit right?S8 wrote:Flameaxe: Nothing against his playstyle. I quite admire it. There is still something that doesnt sit right. Not enough to say much more than that.
I agree his posts seem rather silly but why exactly is he on the top of your list? Sillyness isn't a scumtell.S8 wrote:WLC: You made it to the top of my LOS. Congrats. I have to agree with Tajo. Your points do seem rather silly.
Why are you unvoting him him if you were so sure about him being scum when he was at L-1? (IIRC, to the point of lynching you D-2 if you were wrong?) Why is WLC now scummier than Elias/IH?S8 wrote:TBH Im not at all sure who put pressure on. I could almost go with any of my four most scummy. I'm not sure enough with my WLC suspicions to risk putting a vote on him to only to see him mislynched in my absence and...I guess same goes with Elias.
The only thing Im really happy bout saying is Im pretty sure Fonz and Tajo town.
therefore Im going to do this
UNVOTE: Elias_the_thief
This smells really bad.FoS : Snailman8
And Mod we need a Vote Count and Mod Prods : Elmo, Flameaxe. Please.Call me Tajo.
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After all these posts and that VC (Thanks, Mod), the only thing Im sure is that this town is really really confused.
Why do I have the feeling that no one reads my posts. Am I the only one thinking Snailman8 unvote after he being so sure about it is really suspicious?
And this Elmo/Fonz chat is kinda interesting. I still think Elmo's aprreciations at that point of the game were really protown, as Fonz seems to agree in some posts after. Again, in this game you nevwer know.
BTW, Hapyy new Year all. Ill try a reread after my hangover.Call me Tajo.
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When you have 5 diferent people voting for 5 diferent players in a game, it's obvious it's just not me. And, I'd prefer 100 times being confused in my vote than being wrong. If you aren't confused, can u tell me right now who is scum and who is town?Flameaxe wrote:I'm not confused...I think it's just you.populartajo wrote:I still think Elmo's aprreciations at that point of the game were really protown
His first post was quite interesting. It opened up a new debate : the WLC case. I think it's pretty townie to come up with something that wasn't so obvious for the rest of the town. Of course, this could be a good busing strategy, as Fonz state, but I still think Elmo-WLC is a pretty bad guess for scumpartners.Flameaxe wrote:How so?
His following posts kept his gamestyle : short but concise. His reaction to the L-1 cast by IH is again townie. He was the only one to be in the IH bandwagon not for the trap but for his vote who put Snailman8 at L-1.
I'm not too sure about Elmo's L-1 vote, it's kinda suspicious, but IH did a really poor job at defending himself and was a pretty good candidate for a lynch. And Elias theory of Elmo not quoting his ideas, lying and preparing a bad debate it's not suspicious enough to put him in my LOS.
And your friend IH seemed to agree with what he was saying. IIRC, he even casted a second vote.Call me Tajo.
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About the confusion debate, I think only mafia is 100% sure who is what. And you can't speak for others. When town can't decide something is because they're pretty confused with some people's behaviour.Flameaxe wrote:Thats not confusion, its just being indecisive and everyone has their own views on each player. Also, you are scum, and your buddy is {Elmo, Snail, WLC}.
As I said, I'd rather be confused than be wrong like you are in that assumption. Why are you so sure I'm scum? Post something, quote, don't just say X is scum without backup. It's coward.
And Flameaxe, reallly, if you're town, STOP being a sucker for everything Fonz and Elias say and and start having your OWN opinion.Call me Tajo.
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Really? Read :
populartajo wrote:I still think Elmo's aprreciations at that point of the game were really protownFlameaxe wrote:How so?populartajo wrote:I was obviously talking about Elmo'ssoftbandwagon.
If you check all ur posts (easy task because there aren't many) u would realize u start suspecting Elmo after Fonz and Elias suspect him.Flameaxe wrote:Also, you are scum, and your buddy is {Elmo, Snail, WLC}.Call me Tajo.
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