Blitz 1: C9++ (GAME OVER!)

[Marge]

Vote: blocky

for stealing my vote.

[Marge]

Let's get this whole wagon thing on me out of the way. We should popcorn vt or PR. Then popcorn letters.

I'll go first. V.

I'm speedy Gonzalez posting. Yeehaw.

Why?
Scum will lie or get info.

[Marge]

Let's get this whole wagon thing on me out of the way. We should popcorn vt or PR. Then popcorn letters.

I'll go first. V.

I'm speedy Gonzalez posting. Yeehaw.

Why?
Scum will lie or get info.

We confirm the possible setups making kills hard for scums. This is an open setup. Popcorn massclaim is ideal. Plus we get thoughts fast. Slow game wait, fast game immediately.

Why are you lying?

Vote: Titus

[Marge]

Let's get this whole wagon thing on me out of the way. We should popcorn vt or PR. Then popcorn letters.

I'll go first. V.

I'm speedy Gonzalez posting. Yeehaw.

Why?
Scum will lie or get info.

We confirm the possible setups making kills hard for scums. This is an open setup. Popcorn massclaim is ideal. Plus we get thoughts fast. Slow game wait, fast game immediately.

Why are you lying?

Vote: Titus

Lol. Not lying.

How does any of the following make kill choices hard for scum?

Setup

1 Cop , 1 Doctor , 2 Mafia Goons , 3 Townies ;
1 Cop , 2 Mafia Goons , 4 Townie
1 Doctor , 2 Mafia Goons , 4 Townie
2 Mafia Goons , 5 Townie

[Marge]

What do you disagree with?

Mass claiming making kill choices hard.

[Marge]

Let's get this whole wagon thing on me out of the way. We should popcorn vt or PR. Then popcorn letters.

I'll go first. V.

I'm speedy Gonzalez posting. Yeehaw.

Why?
Scum will lie or get info.

We confirm the possible setups making kills hard for scums. This is an open setup. Popcorn massclaim is ideal. Plus we get thoughts fast. Slow game wait, fast game immediately.

Why are you lying?

Vote: Titus

Lol. Not lying.

How does any of the following make kill choices hard for scum?

Setup

1 Cop , 1 Doctor , 2 Mafia Goons , 3 Townies ;
1 Cop , 2 Mafia Goons , 4 Townie
1 Doctor , 2 Mafia Goons , 4 Townie
2 Mafia Goons , 5 Townie

You're forgetting the fact scum have to fake claim. When they kill people, it becomes obvious as to what they are.

Plus this is a thirteen player game. You're using the wrong setup.

Oh.

I signed up seeing the list mod link.

Unvote

[Marge]

I feel sad now knowing the set up had more possiblities and getting a vt role

[Marge]

Also one flaw is the set up may have an sk

[Marge]

Also one flaw is the set up may have an sk

Not a flaw. An additional kpn makes it harder on scum to fake claim.

Looks like scum will know there is an sk and just relay on them for kills

[Marge]

I feel sad now knowing the set up had more possiblities and getting a vt role

Actually

VOTE: marge

opposes massclaim

claims role

I thought the set up was different.

Is it a thing not to read the game for you?

Vote: blocky

[Marge]

No. I didn't. I am terrible with jokes.

Lets get drunk Titus in here.
She is at least fun with jokes.

Sober Titus is alright, but too serious.

[Marge]

VOTE: BlockyMan

Kill this.

Why do you want to die?

Why are you wking?

[Marge]

Strange I see I asked a couple of question and yet they are seeming bypassed.

[Marge]

So did we get down to why Marge role revealed after being against it?

Yes but people just can't bother reading my post

[Marge]

I feel sad now knowing the set up had more possiblities and getting a vt role

Actually

VOTE: marge

opposes massclaim

claims role

I thought the set up was different.

Is it a thing not to read the game for you?

Vote: blocky

No and you're not voting for her so you're next on my scum list

So did we get down to why Marge role revealed after being against it?

Yes but people just can't bother reading my post

[Marge]

So did we get down to why Marge role revealed after being against it?

Yes but people just can't bother reading my post

Can you show me where?
I see that you thought the setup was different... But you still revealed that you are VT when you was against it.

Or are you okay with a Mass claim now?

I thought the set up was not something that could be judged as easy as Titus. Seeing the correct set up I have no issue.

[Marge]

But you don't explain anything apart from you getting the setup wrong.
You still revealed that you ate VT - Why?

Why not?

[Marge]

I feel sad now knowing the set up had more possiblities and getting a vt role

So did we get down to why Marge role revealed after being against it?

Yes but people just can't bother reading my post

OK, read it and it looks like you made a vt claim for no good reason.

Sure with an ISO.
I just followed totus logic to see where it goes.

[Marge]

Im getting the impression players reach conclusion based on snippets around here.

My orginal issue with the claiming was entirely based on Titus saying that it could be used to hurt scum.
When I saw the set up was indeed different I saw no harm in claiming but then after I thought maybe a sk could hurt the claim idea but I don't know that it will.

[Marge]

Marge do you know what popcorn massclaim is?

Yes.
Are we doing that?
If so I want firebringer to claim next

[Marge]

And the funny man behind the curtain dodges it all.

I'm also going to point out I never said I was against mass claiming. I asked about the benefits of it.

[Marge]

Though I admit Marge is possibly scum, too. I think four is possible with the setup, but what combo, not positive of yet.

Overall, pretty confident in {BlockyMan, Firebringer, Marge, EspeciallyTheLies}. I'd be extremely surprised to see a scum outside these names.

[Marge]

I think firebringer is just having fun.
He reminds me of a puppy that just wants to play all the time.

[Marge]

Marge do you know what popcorn massclaim is?

Yes.
Are we doing that?
If so I want firebringer to claim next

Blocky's up. That was part of my theory. Blocky should claim PR or VT then popcorn.

[Marge]

I do think marge is scum too. I think we got 2 of em.

I'd do 1 vs 1 with you.

[Marge]

(Though Ythan is pretty town, too.)

I'm not seeing that. I just see one liners so far.

[Marge]

Is this random list time?

If so
Titus, verdith, Flubber,
Everyone else not mentioned
Blocky, persivul

[Marge]

Firebringer should be on the top of my list of names

[Marge]

Vote:Titus

You clearly deserve a vote for this bizarre idea.

You are clearly not a newbie so why does bizarre = scum?

[Marge]

Okay I'm home from work so I should be better able to talk about Marge

So I'm not a big fan of cherrypicking posts for reads but I'm making an exception here

Look at 44 and 45

When town fucks up a claim they show it. Marge had no reaction between claiming and then realizing that probably isn't a good idea. Like some sort of an "oh fuck" feeling to their post. Now compare that to the massive amounts of ate spilled when she got suspected. It doesn't line up with how a genuine game-solver should be thinking

It's like everything I posted just goes ignored and you call it AtE.
I'll just ignore everything you say, ask you to repeat yourself on something you didn't say then tell me that you feel inclined to be nice about it or rude.

[Marge]

I'm just going to call players scum and laugh at those calling me scum after I pointed out there was nothing town about ythan but ranger said he was a town read.

I hope there is a vig that shot me.

[Marge]

Anyways ignoring everyone else from here on in.
Persivul has basically posted only about the whole claim stuff brought up and nothing else.

[Marge]

Vote:Titus

You clearly deserve a vote for this bizarre idea.

You are clearly not a newbie so why does bizarre = scum?

Just going to point to my question ignored.

Kraeg also holds his vote despite seeing something that he took as a scum claim

[Marge]

Blocky continues to have scum reads that he has not explained at all.

[Marge]

Marge, your acting a little weird there.

I'm just posting my thoughts since I've either had players ignore my questions or bypass anything I say completely.

I figure if I'm going to have any conversation I might as well chat with myself.

So why the scum read on Titus?

[Marge]

Marge still has an RVS vote on me.

PEDIT: I don't know, he has been buddying people, and I read buddying as scummy.

PEDIT 2: Pretty much the same reasons everyone else has.

No it's not an rvs vote.
That is pretty non-specific reasoning you put down.

[Marge]

Ythan also is scum reading Titus for the mass claim idea.

[Marge]

Note that blocky called ranger out as buddying and I see nothing that looks like buddying

[Marge]

Titus was saying I "lurked" And was voting me because I want offline for 3 hours to watch football games. He called me out for lurking after 15 minutes.
Also the massclaim seemed like scum trying to find power roles.

PEDIT FLUBBER: Im at L-1, and I would like someone else to vote Ranger before I vote him.

I'm thinking the first was just because you posted and thought he could bring you out with a pressure vote.
The second thing is null. Those calling it scummy have yet to explain why it's scummy.

[Marge]

Watching walking dead and still thinking about Glen

[Marge]

HE CANT BE DEAD!

Right!

That was just so wrong.

[Marge]

Blocky shouldn't be at L-1. Agreeing with the current wagons can be opportunistic. It can also mean that the people on those wagons are making good arguments and persuading people, which is what town is supposed to do. I rather think someone is opportunistic when they make abrupt changes from one wagon to another.

On the positive side, he noted that Ranger is buddying, which is something I thought too after Ranger proposed a town block.

Four people - Kraeg, Ocean, Kop, ETL - have post counts in the single digits. I'll bet there's 1-2 scum there. From the rest I'm suspicious of Marge and Ranger.

I hate Titus' breaking idea, but I butt heads with Titus on breaking almost every time we play together so that's not giving me a read.

Asking for a town block is not buddying.

VOTE: Marge

OMG
US

[Marge]

I'm thinking selective reading really is a thing around here.
Usually I'd see scum misreprented situations that badly but between Flubber, ranger and persivul it's either typical or players don't care or I just the odd person out because no knows me.

I'm going to ask when this game end which it is.

[Marge]

Asking for a town block is not buddying.

Depends on how and why it's done.

OMG
US

That's ridiculous. I've been against your claim since the beginning.

Why is when ranger doing it scummy?

There is nothing wrong with my claim. As I said I never was against it and second it's not scummy to claim.

[Marge]

VOTE: Kraeg

[Marge]

If you look at blocky there is the following others reads and not explaining why he thinks it's scummy.

[Marge]

I reflect Craig's sentiments.

Your vote is bad

I find the wagon on Blocky scummy. It's interesting how he got into L-1 so quick by just watching a football game.

VOTE: Marge

Part of me says yay Marge wagon and part of me says votes like these are going to make it form like the blocky wagon you're complaining about

[Marge]

Dear Diary,

I have learned so much from this strange game of mafia. The players think lurking isn't scummy.
Is it me or is that crazy?
Besides the lack of reading and comprehension I'm predicting a scum win for the very first blitz mafia game.
It's sad that I get a better conversation from my Homie then I get from the players who are in this game.
Well diary, I guess I should maybe start drinking like my husband and play dumb from here on in.

[Marge]

VOTE: Marge

Part of me says yay Marge wagon and part of me says votes like these are going to make it form like the blocky wagon you're complaining about

If it forms like that I'll reconsider, but as she's only at L-5 by my count, it's not a serious concern yet.

[Marge]

Dear Diary,

I have learned so much from this strange game of mafia. The players think lurking isn't scummy.
Is it me or is that crazy?

You're generalizing without cause, but yeah, Kraeg's response is suspicious.

Besides the lack of reading and comprehension I'm predicting a scum win for the very first blitz mafia game.
It's sad that I get a better conversation from my Homie then I get from the players who are in this game.
Well diary, I guess I should maybe start drinking like my husband and play dumb from here on in.

Quit playing the martyr. You only have 2 votes.

Claiming outside of an agreed-upon massclaim is bad for town. In my first game here I claimed VT unprompted and took massive amounts of shit for it. A few players with big reputations can get away with it, but in general it's frowned upon.

By claiming VT, either:

- you've narrowed down the pool of potential PRs for scum to aim at, or
- you're lying

Either way it doesn't come across good.

Where you town or scum the game you are referring to?
If town, then again why is this scummy to you?
If scum, carry on.
And again, it's not scummy anything you stated. I'm not being a martyr. I'm commenting because of the following:

I've asked questions that players do not respond to.
I have explained my actions multiple times to the point the subject is really just dumb or people tunnel because???
You tell me why it should make sense at all.
There is an ignore feature on this site and no one has told me about it, right?

[Marge]

Your argument seems overly nitpicky. If you hate Persivul's (the people on the wagon are scummy) why not have him talk more? Sure I think Persivul is being an idiot ATM but not a scummy one.

His turn on you is good as well.

His "turn"? You've got to be kidding me Titus...

*sigh*

I feel like you aren't really reading the posts and just want to push your thing on Blocky. It's really stretching and I get that if you're town you want to push it through to see if you are right, but I don't see it and I explained why.

Persivul's posts are increasingly bad, and I'm quite disappointed with people's inability to even digest the argument.

I'm gonna give this game 24 hours but I'm starting to regret continuing with this playerlist against my better judgement.

Banging you head against a wall does seem to have more appeal then this game.
I was slightly scum reading persivul mostly because his whole scum read is based on something he did as town.
That logic makes about as much sense as:

Spoiler:

Vote: persivul

[Marge]

Spoiler: Blocky ISO

2nd blist post by a player. VOTE: Titus for stealing first.

I mean blitz lol

Hey. First blitz post totally appropriate for Titus.

VOTE: OceanWind

Hi noob.

WHY YOU NINJA ME
and first quote lol im awesome

Sorry, I was offline. I have read up.

Naw, I was watching football games. Anyway RVS has pretty much ended UNVOTE: Titus

Yeah, and two people already RVS'ed me.

GG NO RE

Am I allow to go offline to watch football games? VOTE: Titus Titus has gotten awfully scummy.

PEDIT: I dont think Titus is town.

Personally, I think ranger has been buddying a lot, and I do feel like Marge, Ranger, and Titus are likely scum. In the meantime I claim VT.

Marge, your acting a little weird there.

Marge still has an RVS vote on me.

PEDIT: I don't know, he has been buddying people, and I read buddying as scummy.

PEDIT 2: Pretty much the same reasons everyone else has.

Titus was saying I "lurked" And was voting me because I want offline for 3 hours to watch football games. He called me out for lurking after 15 minutes.
Also the massclaim seemed like scum trying to find power roles.

PEDIT FLUBBER: Im at L-1, and I would like someone else to vote Ranger before I vote him.

Cause I went offline to watch football and Titus started a bandwagon claiming i was lurking

You want hand holding. Ok?

5-7 RVS. Vanishes "to watch football" at the first sign of pressure.

titus... c'mon now. If this was a valid argument, why didn't ANYONE vote me the entire time I was gone?

57-59 he's read up and removes his RVS vote, implying he thinks I'm town. (If he thought otherwise, he'd defend his RVS vote).

Is this a point? I don't understand what this is doing here. It is IIoA.

62-66, Trolling and RVS. No real reads despite having read.

No I disagree. He was responding to people.

143, jumps me as his counter wagon and objects to my push.

So? What is scummy about that?

He says nothing about the massclaim or any substantive discussion (which is my true gripe he strawmans).

Again... so? What is scummy about that? This is missing conclusions. I didn't ask for hand holding, Titus. I asked you to state your case, which you are not doing here. I'm not particularly interested in Blocky because I don't feel strongly about him at all. You asked if I'd help you and honestly the answer is no at this point because I don't see the case.

194, Spurious empty "buddying" accusation against Ranger plus me and marge are his other scumreads. He never supports this or does anything to solve anyone's alignment.

Eh. Ok so he makes an accusation. That's good. Your issue is that he didn't follow up on it, is that correct?

196, Vague weird assertion.

200, Whines about Marge's vote. Doesn't explain his Ranger scumread. Agrees with everyone else.

He does explain his read, he said he feels that buddying is scummy. I could see a case for parroting reads as being scummy but not in the way it was delivered here.

209-212, Protect me from the big bad Titus.

Where does he say that? Someone asked why he didn't like you and he answered. In his ISO he was gone for 3 hours, and I agree, that was the only reasoning I could find at that time for that wagon, so he's not wrong. I don't see the case here.

There's zero scumhunting here. No questions. No attempts to persuade people. He's afraid to take any sort of risk on his scumreads. He's stalled any sort of engagement.

I don't really agree with this because he's made accusations and given his thoughts, and responded to questioning.

A lot of this is unnecessary PBPA and IIoA, Titus. I'm sure you know how I respond to that kind of stuff. I wanted a general overview of your case with key quotes and you gave me his entire damn ISO as if I haven't already read it and the context it came in. I appreciate your effort and thoughts on the posts but you have neglected to make any real conclusions, other than saying "Blocky did this in this post". Do you understand my issue with this "case"? It doesn't really exist beyond one or two points. I think it's a real stretch on your part.

I've had my fill for this game today.

[Marge]

Those of you who aren't voting Persivul need to explain to me why not in a way that doesn't involve "Blocky is better" because he's not. He's a meh lynch. His ISO isn't fantastic but it isn't super scummy either, like Persivul's is. I've pointed out several things wrong here. He hedged on Titus, which I could see as her way of gaining reactions, especially given her call for a wagon on herself off the jump. And understand that it wasn't the idea of mass claim that he hedged on - it was hedging on what he thought it meant about her alignment. "I'm not saying you are or aren't scummy for this... blah blah blah". It's literally disgusting.

Second, he claims that Marge is a better lynch but has literally done nothing at all to further or develop that read, or any other read whatsoever.

And when asked about his read on Blocky, his best answer is "the wagon is bad because votes and my read has dropped." Ok.. what?

When pushed he comes up with some ridiculous non-sequiter to run after in an effort to derail the questioning of him and shift the focus. It is literally nonsense to ask a player why he should vote someone the other person isn't scumreading or pushing.

Come on.

p-edit: posts that I will read.

I've already said that waffling on Titus d1 isn't a scum tell

And I'm not keen on sheeping someone that's questioning the massclaim while participating in it

I think you should read this.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/keep+harping+on

[Marge]

Marge have you done anything useful yet

Yes.

[Marge]

Well you may get to call him out for lurking: http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 6&sr=posts
But I'm sure there is another football game excuse.

[Marge]

Wow scratch that it Monday.

[Marge]

Your argument seems overly nitpicky. If you hate Persivul's (the people on the wagon are scummy) why not have him talk more? Sure I think Persivul is being an idiot ATM but not a scummy one.

His turn on you is good as well.

His "turn"? You've got to be kidding me Titus...

*sigh*

I feel like you aren't really reading the posts and just want to push your thing on Blocky. It's really stretching and I get that if you're town you want to push it through to see if you are right, but I don't see it and I explained why.

Persivul's posts are increasingly bad, and I'm quite disappointed with people's inability to even digest the argument.

I'm gonna give this game 24 hours but I'm starting to regret continuing with this playerlist against my better judgement.

Banging you head against a wall does seem to have more appeal then this game.
I was slightly scum reading persivul mostly because his whole scum read is based on something he did as town.
That logic makes about as much sense as:

Spoiler:

Vote: persivul

It was kinda apparent from before, but FWIW...if you want to keep your alts to yourself, you need a different image source, as "farside22" is part of the image's address.

<3

[Marge]

@Ocean, you opened with a wall recycling my exact thoughts but state to do so on D2 or D3 when scum know if there is an SK or not. Boooo

You do a lot of tearing down and promoting focus on having people fight regarding their Persivul reads.

You say nothing about Marge (vig target numero uno). Why? What's your read there?

I like ocean's read on Kop. Kop is in the middle keeping the fight going.

[Marge]

This post is much more interesting now that we know you're farside:

I feel sad now knowing the set up had more possiblities and getting a vt role

From Marge, a newbie to the site, it's reasonable that you clicked the wrong link and misunderstood the setup. From farside, who's been here forever and frequently mods games herself, it's bullshit. You pulled the "feel sad" bit to sneak in a VT claim without being too obvious about it. Tactical reasons to do so:

If you're scum, you get the claim in early, probably because you were afraid of being picked late in a popcorn massclaim and your options might have been limited.

If you're town and you're telling the truth, you're just playing for self preservation. You make it less likely that scum will NK you, and therefore more likely that they'll hit a PR, which is anti-town.

If you're town and you're lying (i.e. a pR trying to protect yourself), counting the Marge BS about setup, that's your second lie already. A LAL PL isn't a bad play for D1.

So, are you scum, anti-town, or a liar?

*Put on glasses*
*look at paper in head*

It is well documented that the player in question is known or ADD.

*puts paper down*

For maybe the 4th time I never said I was opposed to mass claim. I asked about the benefits of claiming.
You can link all the post in the world and none say I was ever against mass claim.

[Marge]

First link: "Scum will lie or get info."

That opposes mass claim.

That post was thinking the set up was something else, obviously.

@500- Scum would on day 2. I am presuming any vigs that shoot would claim D2. Then scum can count the number of kills and get a good idea of whether or not there is an SK. Thus by Day 2, scum would know if there is an SK. It's best to force scum to claim with as little info as possible.

The blocky wagon is likely all town. It should stay. The amount of Defense blocky's slot gets while doing nothing is astounding.

@All, I do like the reasons on Kop. Big shock they are the same reasons Blocky is wagoned though.

I'm just waiting a bit. There is still 2 days left here.

[Marge]

But mostly because your case fell apart.

p-edit: I read every post. I saw you address me but I was mobile at the time and then forgot but at the moment I don't have the energy/will to go dig it up. I'll get to it in a bit here. If you feel like having a real-time conversation, I'm all for that. I operate much better that way.

I think you are headed on the wrong track with Persivul. His early posts weren't all that impressive but his case on Kop is something I agree with and I liked his Marge push.

The way Ranger and Titus are defending him is way too obvious to be something scumbuddies do to each other. I feel that Persivul is town and at least one of Ranger or Titus are scum, Ranger being the more likely one. You are conf-biasing most defenses of Persivul as partner to partner but the game makes more sense if Persivul is town.

You mean the same point that had been brought up over and over and over by others 10 times over to the point the horse is dead and still being kicked.
If that is true why has he called something he did as town scummy?
Also something he has seen town do repeatedly as town and only calling it scummy because it's a thing to do.

So, you think I'm town, but you like poking at me because....?

...you're a tunnely douchebag who's letting scum coast.

A town read means I don't vote you. It doesn't mean I'm sharing warm showers with you. I'd only do that with Margeside, and I think she's scummy.

[Marge]

Just for a serious moment.
Kop scum
Persivul is scum which makes me sad. He is much more wise then the crap he is pulling out
Ythan is leaning scum mostly because I know he can scum hunt better then this <3
I put a note that is an sk exsist Titus being the sk would not surprise me.

[Marge]

Ythan is leaning scum mostly because I know he can scum hunt better then this <3

Well this is a lie.

No it's not.

Ocean + Marge? Thoughts?

I say random and omgus but sure you push that mislynch all you want doll.

[Marge]

Oh and for those misreprensting my post continuously. I obviously am referring to myself as mislynch

[Marge]

My scumhunting is demeaning someone until they cry and then deciding whether that makes them scum or town.

That's missing here.

[Marge]

@Marge, Reads please?

Just for a serious moment.
Kop scum
Persivul is scum which makes me sad. He is much more wise then the crap he is pulling out
Ythan is leaning scum mostly because I know he can scum hunt better then this <3
I put a note that is an sk exsist Titus being the sk would not surprise me.

[Marge]

Dear lord reading ocean i just felt it was like this:

[Marge]

@Prohawk

, any reads and thoughts you have will help. I have scumreads of varying degrees on Titus, Kop, Ranger, and possibly Flubber. Mind ISOing them and posting your reads on each of them?

@Marge

, is that good or bad? I can't tell.

It was a nice way to call you a babbling (blank).
It's a bit disorienting to be honest.
No Titus I'm voting for scum.

I just read Persivul's iso and I like it a lot. This is probably a bad wagon I'm seeing on him and I will be looking into that now.

There is just 2 votes on him.
You want to explain your town read?

[Marge]

VOTE: Marge

Worse than ETL who is in turn worse than Kop.

[Marge]

Shitposting like that is a big part of why I chose you.

It's not like you explained anything in your post nor do I suspect you ever will.
Just keep up the active lurking and you will win it for the scum team.

[Marge]

The more I think of it, the more I don't want to trust people who claimed VT. I mean, if you're really a VT, it doesn't make sense for you to roleclaim, especially when everyone else never agreed for a massclaim and especially when it is D1. Claiming as VT when there isn't a mass claim to begin with just makes it easy for the scum to find the power roles.

unvote

Vote: Marge

And the fact that Blocky was replaced clearly means that he's just simply inactive. The lack of substance in his posts that others are pointing at just simply means that he just doesn't have a lot of time to play, and was already having difficulties in playing this game. Those who jumped on him was clearly being opportunistic, and I bet there's at least one scum in that wagon.

For all that the first claim of the game was here.

Let's get this whole wagon thing on me out of the way. We should popcorn vt or PR. Then popcorn letters.

I'll go first. V.

I'm speedy Gonzalez posting. Yeehaw.

But sure joint he wagon for your weak reason there.

I don't need to explain myself to you. You look scummy. I'm not concerned anyone is gonna read your iso and then dispute that.

[Marge]

The more I think of it, the more I don't want to trust people who claimed VT. I mean, if you're really a VT, it doesn't make sense for you to roleclaim, especially when everyone else never agreed for a massclaim and especially when it is D1. Claiming as VT when there isn't a mass claim to begin with just makes it easy for the scum to find the power roles.

unvote

Vote: Marge

And the fact that Blocky was replaced clearly means that he's just simply inactive. The lack of substance in his posts that others are pointing at just simply means that he just doesn't have a lot of time to play, and was already having difficulties in playing this game. Those who jumped on him was clearly being opportunistic, and I bet there's at least one scum in that wagon.

I like this post. Think Ocean is scumier but ok with a Marge wagon.

You want to explain why you agree with him since you claimed, or will you backtrack and say you weren't claiming at all now?

[Marge]

Keep up the good work Marge.

You'd probably enjoy more if you were town.

[Marge]

P.S. FB you are not subtle with something you did. Towards the end of the day phase, divide and conquer. Follow my meaning?

Join me on Ocean?

@Marge, that "claim" was ambiguous, deliberately.

You still claimed when no one agrees.
Ambiguous or not

[Marge]

Keep up the good work Marge.

You'd probably enjoy more if you were town.

This will be fun to look back on when you're dead.

I think I'll have more fun in the dead thread seeing persivul try to make up a new scum read, since he hasn't really said anything about any other scum reads.
I'll have fun watching people poke you when I flip town and maybe someone with half a brain might actually realize you never explained why my vote on persivul was bad.
I'll be laughing and pointing as Kop continues to actively lurk while players fight among themselves.
And eat some popcorn as players some player push on easy targets.

[Marge]

P.S. FB you are not subtle with something you did. Towards the end of the day phase, divide and conquer. Follow my meaning?

Join me on Ocean?

@Marge, that "claim" was ambiguous, deliberately.

You still claimed when no one agrees.
Ambiguous or not

Yup. Because it was my plan.

Nice side stepping there.

[Marge]

Wouldn't you need to post to be active lurking?
#confused

He's posted enough not to be prodded

[Marge]

Because it's a quick explanation, your vote on Persivul is bad because your entire read on him is fabricated. You can't read his iso and not realize how full of shit you are.

I'll pay someone to poin out how little this says.
You know, besides me.

[Marge]

I'm waiting for someone with more the half a brain

[Marge]

What are you going to do? Blame everyone else for not disputing your nothing comments?

[Marge]

I'm waiting for someone with more the half a brain

So.....wait.
I think you are playing the wrong game.
Nobody who plays mafia has more than half a brain.

[Marge]

What are you going to do? Blame everyone else for not disputing your nothing comments?

Just gonna ignore your whining until you're gone.

This is Margie:



This is ythan:




This is ythan whole case:



For those wondering I'm using the pic's more because I notice people don't read.

[Marge]

I mean you just jumped off the probably conf-town Kraeg to sheep Titus.

Neither of those is something I can help but say something cruel about.

lol how is Kraeg is conf town?

This was covered about 10 pages ago.

And could be fake.

[Marge]

@Marge

Your thoughts on Ocean please?

Noob

You squeeze him hard enough and he'll just keep babbling alone.
That said I'm leaning town on the guy.
Why you are you only pushing at the newbs in the game?

Yoink!

[Marge]

Your avatar when you mispost is perfect.

I've learned to love the new avatar.

[Marge]

@Marge

Your thoughts on Ocean please?

Noob

You squeeze him hard enough and he'll just keep babbling alone.
That said I'm leaning town on the guy.
Why you are you only pushing at the newbs in the game?

Cuz they have scum PMs. Maybe ETL.

I had pushed you earlier.

That really misses the point. First it was blocky and he said nothing much of value.
As soon as he's replaced with prohawk you suddenly switch to ocean. The next newb in line.
I'm not dumb here but just because you can manipulate a player by being an ass, doesn't make them scum.

[Marge]

I mean you just jumped off the probably conf-town Kraeg to sheep Titus.

Neither of those is something I can help but say something cruel about.

lol how is Kraeg is conf town?

This was covered about 10 pages ago.

And could be fake.

not from kraeg. check out his last games.

I still at times use the word QT is all I'm saying.
You can have it if you want, he's not on my scum list, just null.

[Marge]

You want to explain why you agree with him since you claimed, or will you backtrack and say you weren't claiming at all now?

There are differences between your claim and Titus's.

Titus was advocating a massclaim, so it makes sense that she would claim to get it started. I still don't like her claim, but it's at least consistent with her position.

OTOH, you were arguing against the massclaim, but claimed anyway, which is obviously suspicious. You have tried to argue that you were only against the massclaim because you were looking at the wrong setup, but I showed previously that you were still against it after being corrected on the setup.

Also, you tried to sneak in your claim in a newbie

aw shucks I wish I had gotten a fun power role

manner, which adds to the suspicion, especially now as we know who you are.

Im getting the impression players reach conclusion based on snippets around here.

My orginal issue with the claiming was entirely based on Titus saying that it could be used to hurt scum.
When I saw the set up was indeed different I saw no harm in claiming but then after I thought maybe a sk could hurt the claim idea but I don't know that it will.

And the funny man behind the curtain dodges it all.

I'm also going to point out I never said I was against mass claiming. I asked about the benefits of it.

[Marge]

Marge: Flubbernugget, Persivul, Ythan, Kraeg (4)
ProHawk: Vedith, Ranger (2)

I really don't like how ProHawk has done nothing to remove the suspicion on his slot and yet the wagon on him has dissolved.

OTOH, the wagon on Margeside is growing, and you've had her in your scum pool from the beginning. Looks like an opportunity...

Keep up the good work Marge.

You'd probably enjoy more if you were town.

This will be fun to look back on when you're dead.

I think I'll have more fun in the dead thread seeing persivul try to make up a new scum read, since he hasn't really said anything about any other scum reads.
I'll have fun watching people poke you when I flip town and maybe someone with half a brain might actually realize you never explained why my vote on persivul was bad.
I'll be laughing and pointing as Kop continues to actively lurk while players fight among themselves.
And eat some popcorn as players some player push on easy targets.

[Marge]

I'm going have that sing in my head all day!!

[Marge]

@Margeside:

I think I'll have more fun in the dead thread seeing persivul try to make up a new scum read, since he hasn't really said anything about any other scum reads.

In 527 I started a case on Kop and nothing's happened to reduce my suspicion there. But:

- I'm more suspicious of you
- There's just a little more than a day left in phase, you have a wagon, and Kop doesn't

This is the time to see if your wagon is viable, not the time to try to start a new one from scratch.

Well bussing on day 1 is bad form for scum.
You push it day 2 and goal for town points then start lurking.

I'm just having fun ruining any plans you have for playing scum this game.

In the mean time your whole case is based on something you did as town and called it scummy.

Still can't believe anyone is town reading that reasoning.

[Marge]

Said 1 v 1 would be resolved with bullets.

No, it would be resolved with rope.

Further, it's not really a 1v1 situation, because the setup allows for more than one vig. You know that. There's also a 48% chance that there's no vig at all. So, CCs (or lack thereof) don't mean much in this setup.

No. I'm confirmed town if there's a full vig and no other 1-shot vig as a one shot vig is required to have a full vig.

A 1 shot vig happening twice requires a full vig as well.

So if someone CCs me, we just shoot each other.

Hence, any other one shot vig should claim.

There's plenty other scenarios like this. Hence why claiming is good. Of course, I just laid that out so

I totally want a high five if you are the sk.

[Marge]

This game exploded fast.
Anyone want to give me a break down?

[Marge]

Vote Titus.

But I think your scum.


My thought on Titus is really more theory.
He is looking townie enough but the push has been on newbs. It just struck me as a way to look town while pushing bad reads to stay alive.

I don't vote on theories.

I think scum would push this idea then town. Typically scum want to get rid of anything that can hurt them.

[Marge]

Well we already established how you're playing this game.

Better then you!

I want to do that burn vid again but too many other things to do that is more important.

The worst vote on Titus is Kop.
No interaction, creeps on it and disappears.

Vonflare is town.

Etl questions for fun.

I'm (insert age here) I live near buffalo NY


16 hours is plenty of time to lynch someone.
I'm going to create a case.
You know ythan that thing that says I'm reading the game and explaining my scum reads instead of just trolling

[Marge]

I'm going to mock you hardcore with that post when the game's over. <3

Knock yourself out.

[Marge]

And the time I thought I was going to get is gone.

vote; Kop

Also would go back to voting persivul

[Marge]

I am intrigued at the argument of Titus SK but I don't really want to lynch her oddly enough.

VOTE: kop

Can we lynch this instead?

I endorse this product and/or service

[Marge]

^worthless^

I'm sorry I can't really hear you.
I missed that totally awesome case you made on why kop isn't scum or why titus is scum.

Oh wait it doesn't exist.

[Marge]

@Flubber, there's zero need to vote me if you think I am town. Worst case, NL. I shoot ocean. We get scum flip or scum role blocker confirmation.

Join the Kop wagon.

I want to see something please.

[Marge]

^worthless^

I'm sorry I can't really hear you.
I missed that totally awesome case you made on why kop isn't scum or why titus is scum.

Oh wait it doesn't exist.

People can read and I'm not babying you for just your sake.

What are you going to do? Blame everyone else for not disputing your nothing comments?

Just gonna ignore your whining until you're gone.

What ever you say.
This is Margie:



This is ythan:




This is ythan whole case:



For those wondering I'm using the pic's more because I notice people don't read.

I'm actually not gonna dispute a word of this, quality summary.

[Marge]

Do I have to actually try and catch up in these 10 pages I missed or should I just hope the wagon I'm on is the one that goes through

Here is all you need to know Kop voted Titus and the reason is scummy.

Yoink

[Marge]

I don't like the way the Kop wagon formed. Marge (from Persivul), Prohawk (from me), and Titus (from me). No one actually moved from Titus which means some players are scrambling to get a not-Titus lynch. Going to note this for posterity.

@Marge -

Earlier you said that I was town and that Titus was picking on new players including Blocky but when prohawk replaced in, she abandoned that to push me. So, why are you resistant to a Titus wagon now?

I know.
But think of it this way.
Sk
Mafia

If you were scum and thought Titus was a sk or truthful about being a vig wouldn't pushing for that lynch make more sense?

[Marge]

UNVOTE: Persivul

VOTE: Titus

Because it was obvious.

I missed it at first.

At first I wanted to make sure

we

didn't target the same person.

Did you just admit that you were helping scum find a target?

When FB said he wasn't crumbing, there was zero harm in stating it.

He only needed to say it because you had already stated that he made an obvious crumb. The damage had already been done. People crumb PRs. Scum want to kill PRs, so they would have looked back and found it.

I had to look back to see it. When Titus mentioned it, have I missed something.

Titus, who are you proposing to shoot, if you are decided to be kept alive?

This is the real garbage.

[Marge]

I'd keep posting why Kop's vote is obvious scum but that is all you really get from Kop and that is scummy, despite ythan' wonderfully worded reasons

[Marge]

Oh no 3 whole votes because there is 16 hours vs a wagon on Titus that has 4? That happened in 6 hours

[Marge]

Oh no 3 whole votes because there is 16 hours vs a wagon on Titus that has 4? That happened in 6 hours

Three of the worst players in the game trying to swing away from an sk lynch.

I know your afraid of being shot there but Titus already said he wouldn't.
Now stop protecting your scum buddy

[Marge]

Don't mind ythan he's tyical not an asshat so this push is just to make sure players ignore anything I say.
Even though I was the first to mention a sk and look how quickly it got ran with and pushed

[Marge]

UNVOTE: Persivul

VOTE: Titus

Because it was obvious.

I missed it at first.

At first I wanted to make sure

we

didn't target the same person.

Did you just admit that you were helping scum find a target?

When FB said he wasn't crumbing, there was zero harm in stating it.

He only needed to say it because you had already stated that he made an obvious crumb. The damage had already been done. People crumb PRs. Scum want to kill PRs, so they would have looked back and found it.

I had to look back to see it. When Titus mentioned it, have I missed something.

Titus, who are you proposing to shoot, if you are decided to be kept alive?

This is the real garbage.

[Marge]

Just making sure real post that show a purpose don't get lost in ythan's continuous pot shots

[Marge]

Etl reads town to me.
Persivul is scum, I just don't have time to explain further

[Marge]

real post that show a purpose

Mislynch flailing.

I'm sorry did I miss Kop being confirmed town?
No, I didn't think so.

[Marge]

Imagine that.

You can shut the fuck up.
You No fucking reasoning asshole

[Marge]

Just linking a town game of ythan that shows who that he does explain his reads: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I'm not going to engage with Ethan further since all he done is snipe at me when I make a point and he continues to evade explaining his scum reads.

[Marge]

Ethan= ythan

[Marge]

UNVOTE: Persivul

VOTE: Titus

Because it was obvious.

I missed it at first.

At first I wanted to make sure

we

didn't target the same person.

Did you just admit that you were helping scum find a target?

When FB said he wasn't crumbing, there was zero harm in stating it.

He only needed to say it because you had already stated that he made an obvious crumb. The damage had already been done. People crumb PRs. Scum want to kill PRs, so they would have looked back and found it.

I had to look back to see it. When Titus mentioned it, have I missed something.

Titus, who are you proposing to shoot, if you are decided to be kept alive?

This is the real garbage.

[Marge]

Flipity flop.

You got a vote on marge but you haven't really interacted with her or pressed hard on that matter. If you want to lynch marge, you are going to have to press it harder.

I can place a vote and say the same as you. I have a vote in said person, doesn't mean zilch if your not going to press it further than that.

And adding something Kop said to another player that he isn't doing

[Marge]

Kop meta notes
town

Very active and posting with reasons included.

town
Again active, engaging, putting views about players in the game

All this missing in this game.

[Marge]

Marge keeps posting links to other games like that's a case.

Because that's how town plays mafia.

Just linking a town game of ythan that shows who that he does explain his reads: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I'm not going to engage with Ethan further since all he done is snipe at me when I make a point and he continues to evade explaining his scum reads.

[Marge]

Kop meta notes
town

Very active and posting with reasons included.

town
Again active, engaging, putting views about players in the game

All this missing in this game.

thats not necessarily alignment-indicative and more RL-indicative

I made other points but simply put he hasn't made a case on anyone this game, at all and vote Titus because ????
No reason at all really

[Marge]

No you haven't posted a case at all and sit around being an ass

[Marge]

I mean all you have to do is ISO Kop.
His 30 post consist of buddying.
Voting players for no reason and actively lurking while adding nothing to the game state at all.

[Marge]

Eh why do you think that's better than any of the wagons that exist?

Would you vote ETL if a theoretical conftown player asked you to?

You got a long road to hoe. I don't see myself voting ETL

I agree here as well.

[Marge]

Kop meta notes
town

Very active and posting with reasons included.

town
Again active, engaging, putting views about players in the game

All this missing in this game.

thats not necessarily alignment-indicative and more RL-indicative

I made other points but simply put he hasn't made a case on anyone this game, at all and vote Titus because ????
No reason at all really

Yeah real great case you've built on Kop there.

I'm saying "rtft and vote scum" but at least I'm not pretending I've posted a cohesive argument like you're scrambling to do.

Also I'm not scrambling.
I'm showing points against a player I'm scum reading.

The opposite of you and hammering a points home.
You can only protect your scum buddy so long ythan.
Maybe not day 1 will players get it but there is day 2 and I'm sure you'll give him advice to do more.

[Marge]

Don't read it as scum. Do read the shit wagon on him as scum voting town.

Well I'm town so your oppinion and smack talking really means nothing to me.

You want to do hypothetical questions?

What if Titus is not a sk or scum. Then what ythan?

[Marge]

Are you just going to ditch as soon as the game ends or are you gonna sit around and let me rub this in your face some.

If your town at all I would like you to retire or stop playing because it's really not helpful or good play that I see.

[Marge]

"But what if the player you're lynching is town" is an idiotic defense going back to the dawn of mankind.

Meaningless and devoid of purpose and

garbage

.

So you don't make cases.
You snipe at others and call them names
And you get to criticize anyone that pushes a case.

Is there a purpose other then being an asshat or do you not care about playing the game or what?

[Marge]

I'll be happy to link more games of you not being an asshat till you get to your point ythan or say your scum.

[Marge]

Someone who plays like you shouldn't insist that everyone play like you do.

Never said anyone should play like me.
I asked what your purpose to playing like this is?

[Marge]

I'm just going to add ythan to a black list of players I never want to play with again and move on then.

[Marge]

VOTE: Kop

[Marge]

Plus my ability either a) works as a second lynch or b) is trackable. It also draws scums to me if I actually suspect them out of self preservation as vig CCs are best resolved by bullets in this setup.

This. SO much this.

Titus easily, EASILY could have confirmed her ability during the night.

This is scumhunting 101: vigs can prove their claim. If they don't, or they kill in a manner that looks like a serial killer, lynch them, but you DON'T lynch them day one. You let them shoot once at minimum.

And between {Marge, Persivul, EspeciallyTheLies}, I guarantee a minimum of two scum for them pushing her lynch anyway.

I didn't push here lynch, ythan did and persivul did. Kop jumped on the wagon lazy like.
I pointed out scum would push the wagon.

Ythan did say Kop was a mislynch wagon and seems to be blaming others for the lynch.

Vote: ythan

[Marge]

VOTE: Marge.
Would also vote Persivul or EspeciallyTheLies from what I've read so far.

And you know this... how?

Because they've flipped or are town.

Sex makes Ythan uncomfortable. We should talk more about how good it will feel when Titus flips red.

This is so...fake.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies.
Scumread there is stronger than on Marge now.

Because...yeah. That's not a town player who legitimately thinks they're lynching scum. It's a scum player who is making a random effort to fake surprise after the townflip.

Two votes in three posts...panic much?

Have I said recently it makes me sad to see you as scum?

Let's settle this for a moment.

Ranger do you phone post or post using a computer?

[Marge]

VOTE: Marge.
Would also vote Persivul or EspeciallyTheLies from what I've read so far.

And you know this... how?

Because they've flipped or are town.

Sex makes Ythan uncomfortable. We should talk more about how good it will feel when Titus flips red.

This is so...fake.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies.
Scumread there is stronger than on Marge now.

Because...yeah. That's not a town player who legitimately thinks they're lynching scum. It's a scum player who is making a random effort to fake surprise after the townflip.

Two votes in three posts...panic much?

Have I said recently it makes me sad to see you as scum?

Yes. You then usually say that you'll present a case on me...then say you don't have time to do so. You do have plenty of time to find pictures and videos to post instead of coherent arguments though. That's part of why you're number 1 in my scum pool (full reads list coming by tomorrow). And it doesn't make me sad in the slightest.

Regarding what you quoted...what's your issue? Ranger took some quick bare votes and panicked. In my experience that's more likely to come from scum than from town. Do you disagree?

I actually made my points against you.
I just haven't expanded beyond it.
Like your scum read on me.

[Marge]

My song for the day.

[Marge]

I mean I could point out I started a wagon on Kop for a good reason and that persivul avoids pushing a wagon on the player he says is a scum read.
I could also point out persivul took something that was a theory and pushed it but his scum reads are unchanged for no reason stated.

My list could go on why persivul is scum but then ythan gets to just come in here call it crap and help his scum buddy.....again

[Marge]

I mean I could point out I started a wagon on Kop for a good reason and that persivul avoids pushing a wagon on the player he says is a scum read.

Yes, you could point that out, as you have a poor memory and don't mind lying. But the fact is that pornhawk started the wagon, and then you joined without giving reason:

I am intrigued at the argument of Titus SK but I don't really want to lynch her oddly enough.

VOTE: kop

Can we lynch this instead?

And the time I thought I was going to get is gone.

vote; Kop

Also would go back to voting persivul

I could also point out persivul took something that was a theory and pushed it but his scum reads are unchanged for no reason stated.

Why would I need to give a reason when my reads DON'T change?

If you're referring to the Titus flip, my case on Titus was in no way based on associatives. Further, I thought she was an independent SK, not scum. There's no reason to expect my scum reads to change on her flip. You're grasping at straws.

You're just digging your hole deeper.

VOTE: Marge

This question is dumb.
You know better.

[Marge]

What a waste of time... playing with a bunch of stubborn, blind egos.

You have about 0 room to talk after day 1

[Marge]

Just to be serious a moment look at persivul's reasons for his scum reads and realize there has been tons of stuff going on in the game and all he is doing is holding onto the same reason because he is bad scum.

[Marge]

It's not your fault you always scum read me flubby. Someday you might get better at that.

Percival, I think you asked about why what Ythan is doing is alignment indicative? Its because it's lazy. It's because it's easy to do without quantifying it. While not exclusively scum traits, they are in fact scummy.

What else did I miss?

You could vote ythan with me.
It probably more a gender thing but many men here seem to either want to be insulted so they switch votes, belittled till they give up or just think ythan is funny so let's keep sheeping the guy that is obvious scum.

Of course right now there is an ocean wagon, mostly because of Titus comments.
I'm just waiting for Kop who seems to be on v/la but more likely just avoiding posting
Ythan you should be teaching the newb scum to hide when they come online too not just stop posting.

[Marge]

Two votes in three posts...panic much?

Could you BE any more scum with this?

I was reading the thread, clearly changing my opinion as I read.

So yes.

Ranger do you phone post or post using a computer?

Computer. Don't see how that's relevant, though.

1245 has what, as far as I can tell, is two solid townreads: a 'conftown' player (who is anything but), and ProHawk (which is an incredibly-weird read to have. I can see ProHawk as town because of his refusal to vote Titus, but ETL's townread him before he did that).

Ah. I phone post so I post on what I read from each page I'm on. Thought you might be in the same boat.
I agree with you about persivul's comment.
Said as much.
I'm also tired so very punchy right now.

[Marge]

If anything your opinion only vindicates my reads, artificial as it probably is.

That is some weird logic going on there.
I can't argue with it though.

No it doesn't.
It's fake. I dare you to look at his ISO and shows one post that he says why a wagon is garbage, why he is voting.
You know why he's doing that, because he is scum.
There is no hey I'm being cute and vague so town read me vibe.
It's the I'm going to be an asshat, fake rage and comments scum play and I would go 1v1 against him today, even if you lynch me today I don't give 3 shits as long as you realize he is scum.

[Marge]

No it doesn't.
It's fake. I dare you to look at his ISO and shows one post that he says why a wagon is garbage, why he is voting.
You know why he's doing that, because he is scum.
There is no hey I'm being cute and vague so town read me vibe.
It's the I'm going to be an asshat, fake rage and comments scum play and I would go 1v1 against him today, even if you lynch me today I don't give 3 shits as long as you realize he is scum.

Ythan is devoid of any real content.
Why would I ISO him?

Why are you not voting him?

[Marge]

At a conference, probably lost.

Ocean isn't a good wagon. Not real sure about Ranger but he could be scum. Don't think ETL is scum. Don't like Ythan but that doesn't mean he's scum....

Nothing to do with liking or not.
He is dodging questions.
He pushed a mislynch on a claimed vig and he isn't dumb or an asshat.

[Marge]

Vote Count #2.2:

OceanWind:

EspeciallyTheLies, Flubbernugget (2)

Ranger:

OceanWind, Kraeg (2)

EspeciallyTheLies:

Ranger, Ythan (2)

Ythan:

Marge, Firebringer (2)

Firebringer:

Persivul (1)

Not Voting:

Kop, ProHawk

With 11 people alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

V/LA:

Kop until Sunday morning.

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-09 22:47:00)

This is probably my last VC before being away tomorrow, so prepare for TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITUS!

All the wagons other than the one I'm on are bad. People like Kop are flying under the radar and getting away with it. With the knowledge that at least one vote on Kop on D1 was by town, I feel less bad about its last minute formation. Firebringer is another one posting mostly fluff and getting away with it. If not Ranger, I'l switch to either but no one seems to be paying them much attention.

Kop or pervisal wagon and I'll be there.

[Marge]

Continues to ignore my posts, I'm dodging her.

Not like this is inconsistent with the rest of her posts in this game.

How many time you dodge my questions and make shotty or snarky comments?

All I know is I reached the point where I said I was no longer going to engage with you.

You have fun lying to players about it though

[Marge]

And for the rest who will not make some shitty comment I present ythan the simple

Ythan did say Kop was a mislynch wagon and seems to be blaming others for the lynch.

I said it was a shit wagon full of shit players actually.

While I wait for you to come up with what I'm dodging, did you not notice this? Also, who am I blaming for this lynch?

Who first brought up Titus being SK? SK is too short a term to search the thread for, and ETL's signature has an "sk" in it so that's a giant pain.

Seems like Marge.

Marge is bad but ETL's also bad and has the same number of votes besides my own so.

The guy getting voted by Firebringer, EspeciallyTheLies, and Flubbernugget?

Whats wrong with that?

Oh I mean I've only said how I feel about two thirds of that wagon like a dozen times a piece?

Saying something is shitty or players are shitty (which I think I a rules violation but whatever) just makes post like the above that never explains what he finds scummy or why a wagon is bad.
He's been doing it since day 1 just the same thing over and over and that isn't town.
That is scum using vague comments because he can't make a case.

[Marge]

So this thread is dead

I'm still going to post about why everyone should wagon ocean

I will keep it small and to the point

And he will yell again

But if you ignore that the thread won't die again

Or you could just lynch him

Why should I vote ocean over ythan?

[Marge]

Vote Count #2.3:

OceanWind:

EspeciallyTheLies, Flubbernugget (2)

Ranger:

OceanWind, Kraeg (2)

EspeciallyTheLies:

Ranger, Ythan (2)

Ythan:

Marge, Firebringer, ProHawk (3)

Firebringer:

Persivul (1)

Not Voting:

Kop,

With 11 people alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

V/LA:

Kop until Sunday morning.

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-09 22:47:00)

I don't like the Ythan wagon. Ranger isn't going anywhere. I'd like to try and see if we can consolidate on Firebringer. Doesn't hurt that one of my few townreads is pushing there.

UNVOTE: Ranger
VOTE: Firebringer

Why don't you like the wagon?

[Marge]

With regards to ETL, I don't like the "lynch me" mentality. It doesn't make sense. If you're really pro-town, why would you even get yourself lynched on purpose, and give another mislynch for the town. That's definitely a bad thing to do.

People don't think that way.
It's really null because you either have players who really do get fed up or scum that fake the emotion.

I am intrigued at the argument of Titus SK but I don't really want to lynch her oddly enough.

VOTE: kop

Can we lynch this instead?

During the wagon of Titus, you tried to get a wagon formed on me, with no basis or arguement to show for that vote. And ever since the flip, you haven't followed it through. Obviously for you to wanting to lynch me, you obviously have a scum read on me, you have YET to engage myself, asked any questions, or even followed it through.

What was the whole basis of your vote being on me during that wagon on Titus?

I made points why your vote was scummy.

[Marge]

With regards to ETL, I don't like the "lynch me" mentality. It doesn't make sense. If you're really pro-town, why would you even get yourself lynched on purpose, and give another mislynch for the town. That's definitely a bad thing to do.

People don't think that way.
It's really null because you either have players who really do get fed up or scum that fake the emotion.

I am intrigued at the argument of Titus SK but I don't really want to lynch her oddly enough.

VOTE: kop

Can we lynch this instead?

During the wagon of Titus, you tried to get a wagon formed on me, with no basis or arguement to show for that vote. And ever since the flip, you haven't followed it through. Obviously for you to wanting to lynch me, you obviously have a scum read on me, you have YET to engage myself, asked any questions, or even followed it through.

What was the whole basis of your vote being on me during that wagon on Titus?

I made points why your vote was scummy.

You made your points, Prohawk didn't. That's what I am trying to work out, I understand people making points for there votes, but when they don't when trying to start a wagon, I find it baffling.

I didn't put any of my points forward when I voted for Titus, but the points had already been put forward by others, and I did put my opinion forward, before I placed my vote.

Actually looking back at my posts, it wasn't a strong opinion, but it was just the basis of the trade that Titus proposed, I don't like trades, I think the whole situation would still be there on day two, and wouldn't have been resolved. That element of suspicion would still be there, and would distract us.

None of this explains why it was scummy just something you disagree with.

[Marge]

How is ythan's fluff of nothing town?
You just went through with saying fire is fluff posting but again with even even linking anything ythan voted on wagons without a fucking reason ever stated that explained why.
Not a single one.
So calling fire fluff posting over ythan who has taken vague to an art form that is not normal I'm just going to say simply.

[Marge]

Fluff is not the only reason I'm scumreading Firebringer if you look at my case.

"Fluff" is different from vagueness. Firebringer's posts consist of things like

"So I put it in backwards for the site when I signed up. Hahahaha That gives credit to the "Firebringer is a moron theory"

and

"Why does it say its my birthday lol, I logged out to check. Mine is 8/11 lol"

and

"Whose birthday is it?"

and

"I work for a small family business."

and

"I am a simple humble farmer, I don't know what your fancy words mean kind sir."

That's different from Ythan's vagueness. I don't get why you think "fluff" was the only thing I suspect Firebringer for anyways when I elaborated on why his content posts are suspicious. I do think he has a high ratio of fluff to content and that's scummy and the content he posted is also scummy.

But help me out here - why in your mind is Firebringer town but Ythan scum?

Your taking everyday comments as scummy.
You realize that?
The birthday comment was because players wished him happy birthday before that.
Putting a game on the back burner happens and with a game that has prods and short deadlines posting to no get prodded is going to happen.

You want why firebringer is a town read.
How about the fact I already stated day 1 about expecting scum to push on Titus because of her claim and fire wasn't doing that?
How about as far as giving reasons and a thought processes in this game fire is one of the few trying to figure things out in this game.

You have yet to explain your town read on ythan by the way.

[Marge]

ocean:i read most of this now
First of all you call fire opportunitic for voting blocky and scummy for wking Titus.
I hate post like that because your basically saying damn you for voting and how dare you not vote.
That's just crazy. Fire explained his town read on Titus.
Second saying he maybe fooled by your robot behavior doesn't mean he just lets it go permanently, that's just not ever going to happen.
So of the links made no sense at all to what was going on during the time.
Finally after what happened to Titus there is no way in hell in following you, nor should you think your reads are right.

[Marge]

Vote: ocean

[Marge]

I have theory so I'm going to do something else with my vote.

Vote: Kop

[Marge]

i quit.

have at it. we've already lost.

That's a bit extreme reaction to only one player responding to this so far.

I see no harm in voting Kop.
He's not exactly town read there and again I have a theory so I'll just wait.

[Marge]

i quit.

have at it. we've already lost.

That's a bit extreme reaction to only one player responding to this so far.

I see no harm in voting Kop.
He's not exactly town read there and again I have a theory so I'll just wait.

He's a townread for me, and has been obviously town since the end of D1.

Why?

Jinky's

[Marge]

I wonder if the team is just Firebringer, Flubbernugget, and EspeciallyTheLies. It seems obvious but it makes a ton of sense. Firebringer whiteknights the hell out of Titus for towncred, EspeciallyTheLies whiteknight me for towncred D1 and pushes Titus setting themselves up on opposite ends. Flubbernugget is the scum-under-the-radar who shows up to vote me whenever the opportunity arises. But despite them looking like they set themselves up as opposites D1, they all seem extremely co-ordinated and advancing an agenda. The Ythan lynch was bad. Firebringer sheeped Marge and allowed that lynch to happen while EspeciallyTheLies and Flubbernugger set their sights on the D3 lynch - me. My hammer of Ythan seemed like the perfect excuse to all jump on me. Lynching a PR sets them up to nightkill my partner and get into a LYLO situation where most of the town would be lurking allowing for an easy win.

Pretty are firebringer is town this game.
Your case awful

[Marge]

Yeah, clearly my reads are bad and yours are good like your read on Ythan. Come off it, Marge. I'm not going down that road again. We did it your way D2. I'm doing it my way today.

I believe we went your way on D1 when we fricking lynched the vigilante.

This

Also I can't see why anyone would town read ythan.

I'm getting reads sorted, so relax

[Marge]

And D2 with that silent hammer. Don't forget that opportunistic piece of shit move.

Why is Kop a town read?

[Marge]

EspeciallyTheLies was one of the biggest proponents of the Titus lynch. You can flip that around for any townie and go "why would anyone townread Titus."

If EspeciallyTheLies and Firebringer are town, they are biasing all of my reads and it is impossible to see this game in a way that'll get me good reads so I don't know. I need to think about this more.

I didn't "silent hammer." I posted an explanation.

Titus claimed vig. That could have been proven.
What bothered me is the majority of her push was based on a theory more then anything else.

And D2 with that silent hammer. Don't forget that opportunistic piece of shit move.

Why is Kop a town read?

Vote: etl

[Marge]

Jesus fucking christ marge... read my goddamn ISO.

I've played with him before. He felt and looked town. There's really nothing more to it than that. I said that on D2.

Everything he's posted has come across incredibly straight-forward, off the cuff, and honest.

All she's done is lurk and hop onto wagons.

I don't want to lynch Ocean. Kop still needs to go. I wish I had the time to be a leader, but alas....

I like my vote. Pushing a vote on a claimed Mason.
Not waiting for it to be verified.
You want to call that town I'll look at you like:

[Marge]

ETL screwed us. I hate to say it but she should get a temp ban or at least a warning for playing against win condition. That self hammer was emotional, not strategic. If she had hung in and fought we might have ended up getting scum.

somebody please get this over with.

Vote yourself...wouldn't be the first time...

Mr. Encouragement.

Mass claim is probably best.

Persivul you claim first

[Marge]

Because it's typical to claim at this point in the game.
Why are you against it?

[Marge]

My preferred lynches are Marge or Kop.

I obviously won't lynch Ocean, and I doubt anyone would convince me to vote Flubber.

I'm currently not suspicious of Prohawk or Ranger, but I don't town read them either. And now that I type that, maybe that's a reason to be suspicious of them.

Why?

[Marge]

I've been on you and Kop throughout the game, and nothing's changed. Do you want me to link to posts as a reminder?

You've already claimed VT.

Kop, please claim.

Marge, I've shown you mine, now you show me your...reads.

Listen sweetie.
You are not this type of player.
Don't act that just repeating something from day 1 mean jack.
Don't act like a mason claim means anything either.
You know and I know there are 3 other days things happened in which you said Jack about Kop or me.
You want to troll someone, troll someone that hasn't played with you before.

[Marge]

Listen sweetie.
You are not this type of player.
Don't act that just repeating something from day 1 mean jack.
Don't act like a mason claim means anything either.
You know and I know there are 3 other days things happened in which you said Jack about Kop or me.
You want to troll someone, troll someone that hasn't played with you before.

You want some fresher evidence? OK. Right now you're dodging my request for a reads list. Also I just checked the VCs and saw a couple interesting items. You were the first person on the last two mislynches. You weren't on the Titus wagon at all, but Titus claimed vig and said she was going to vig ocean, so keeping Titus alive would have been fine with you, as you knew she'd kill a townie. But, you were on the Kop wagon at the time. That could have been distancing, or it could mean that only one of you is scum.

And surely you noticed that ETL had me defending myself and/or ocean for half the game.

I think you and ocean are fake claiming scum buckets.

As for VCA, who was scum pushing that wagon....wait it was you.
Who has 2 players that have been lynched calling scum.....ocean.
Also Titus said she'd vig me to do that is a stretch and you know it.
Speaking of VCA isn't Kop on all 3 lynches?
Ocean on 3 and you 2.
Yeah it means crap if your not looking at the why there.

[Marge]

VOTE: Marge

And there is the anti town not waiting for claims to be done scum.

[Marge]

Marge, you had a theory on me. Did you ever indulge into sharing that theory?

I was thinking you were scum with etl.
Etl town then I figure ocean/persivul scum.

[Marge]

I think you and ocean are fake claiming scum buckets.

What's the scum motivation for the fakeclaim? I could understand that charge if he claimed when he was about to be lynched, but he was at L-3 when he claimed, and had been successfully defending all game. He wanted to claim to avoid another wasted day arguing with ETL, who was obviously in a tunnel she couldn't get out of.

As for VCA, who was scum pushing that wagon....wait it was you.

As you note, the question is why? I was on ETL because I proved beyond a doubt that she lied to push my wagon. Town shouldn't need to lie to push a wagon, as I stated. So...why were you on it?

It's probably lynch lose.
One more mislynch and you win right?

So unless you know for fact there is only 2 scum left you let me know.

[Marge]

Also I note pervisal has not said anything about anyone else as scum.
Faking scum reads is hard for scum to do.

[Marge]

VOTE: Marge

And there is the anti town not waiting for claims to be done scum.

Did you see my analysis? Kop's claim does finish it. Unless we get another PR claim, we have a valid setup.

Yeah and I said I think your lying.

[Marge]

So Flubber claim in your next post please.

[Marge]

I think you and ocean are fake claiming scum buckets.

What's the scum motivation for the fakeclaim? I could understand that charge if he claimed when he was about to be lynched, but he was at L-3 when he claimed, and had been successfully defending all game. He wanted to claim to avoid another wasted day arguing with ETL, who was obviously in a tunnel she couldn't get out of.

As for VCA, who was scum pushing that wagon....wait it was you.

As you note, the question is why? I was on ETL because I proved beyond a doubt that she lied to push my wagon. Town shouldn't need to lie to push a wagon, as I stated. So...why were you on it?

It's probably lynch lose.
One more mislynch and you win right?

So unless you know for fact there is only 2 scum left you let me know.

This is classic scum!farside - quote a question, then make a completely unrelated statement and pretend that it's been answered.

Ocean fake claimed to save himself.
Don't be dumb.
You want to talk scum motivation.
Why did I unvote ocean if I'm scum persivul?
He would have been easy lynch despite the claim.

Keep fake claiming to win if you want.

[Marge]

Also I note pervisal has not said anything about anyone else as scum.
Faking scum reads is hard for scum to do.

Says she who dodges requests for reads.

I respond and made my views more clear then you this game.

[Marge]

Ranger, please claim.

I've generally got an aversion to claiming. If everyone else thinks I should, then sure, I will, but otherwise, I'd let the scum keep guessing.

The important thing, though, is that I'm HIGHLY skeptical of Kop's doctor claim, and I want you to please keep that in mind.

Everyone is claiming because it's probably mislynch lose.
Also, I'm not voting.

I'm holding back the urge to vote Kop right now because this is lylo.

But I don't buy that claim. I'd be the last person Kop would protect, and it reeks of BS.

I didn't think about that.

I'm just going to note claims here.

Ocean: Mason
Persival: Mason
Marge: vt
Kop: doc
Prohawk:
Ranger:
Flubber:

[Marge]

Everyone is claiming because it's probably mislynch lose.

I'm thinking a no lynch here might be an option.

Why are you two saying it's mylo when it's clear from the setup and flips that we're almost certainly in lylo?

I meant lylo.
I made that pretty clear early at the start.
I'm sure you misrep it anyways

[Marge]

Okay so we had a 1-shot vig
The 1 shot cop
The doc claim and the Mason claim (that is lying because all you have to do is read persivul ISO and see he never defended ocean when people pushed him)


Pro, ranger and Flubber what are your thought on who is scum?

[Marge]

the Mason claim (that is lying because all you have to do is read persivul ISO and see he never defended ocean when people pushed him)

What game have you been in? Did you miss these defenses?

1273 1287 1339 1382 1464 1478

Yup.
When I get home I'll have some wonderful quotes for you too.

[Marge]

Pro, ranger and Flubber what are your thought on who is scum?

Well I think the masons are town (don't see scum risking it), which narrows it down to you/ProHawk/Flubber/Kop by default.

Kop really,

really

looks like scum, though.

Why not?
He ocean claimed and never verified anything.
2 players attacked ocean and finally even after the claim fire is killed over the "claimed Mason"
Yeah I don't think so.

Also your at poe with no reason is awful

[Marge]

As promised I'm using quotes to show why I see the mason claim is fake as shit.

Blocky shouldn't be at L-1. Agreeing with the current wagons can be opportunistic. It can also mean that the people on those wagons are making good arguments and persuading people, which is what town is supposed to do. I rather think someone is opportunistic when they make abrupt changes from one wagon to another.

On the positive side, he noted that Ranger is buddying, which is something I thought too after Ranger proposed a town block.

Four people - Kraeg, Ocean, Kop, ETL - have post counts in the single digits. I'll bet there's 1-2 scum there. From the rest I'm suspicious of Marge and Ranger.

I hate Titus' breaking idea, but I butt heads with Titus on breaking almost every time we play together so that's not giving me a read.

Ocean is listed as players that are low posting and maybe scum.

Reads preview:

Town - Flubber, ETL
Lean town - Ythan

Lean scum - Kop
Scum - Margeside

Will sort the rest later.

Maybe people could put up reads instead of bare votes so we actually have something to analyze...

Ocean is not on town list.

Firebringer's ISO reads like a heckler at open mike night. He just criticizes other people's pushes but doesn't make any of his own. I forgot that he even advocated no lynch at one point.

I wouldn't mind lynching him either, but I prefer getting the ocean flip first.

In thread ocean hasn't pinged me. I need to read her ISO. What are the top points of the case on her?

Asking about a case on ocean instead of saying ocean is town.

In thread ocean hasn't pinged me. I need to read her ISO. What are the top points of the case on her?

Are you trying to outdo Flubber as far as dumb is concerned or do you not know how to read the "pronoun" section of someone's profile tag?

I didn't notice
oceanwind's a feminine
guy name are you gay

Mason's would have already discussed gender at this point in a pt.

someone please tell me
what the charges are on him
and maybe we will

This post is in regards to ocean being scum read.
Again not defending and saying maybe lynch.

Anyone thinking that lynching there mason buddy is playing to your win condition let me know.

In the meantime.

Vote: persivul

Also getting the satisfaction of telling ythan he was wrong about persivul gives me some satisfaction.
I'm sure he'll still bitch

[Marge]

2 players attacked ocean and finally even after the claim fire is killed over the "claimed Mason"

And

if

Kop is a real doctor, then scum had reason to fear a kill attempt.

Mason's would have already discussed gender at this point in a pt.

...And mafia wouldn't?

The rest of those look like smart mason play. I don't see explicit calling out of Ocean being scum. I see soft defenses of him that don't paint a neon sign saying, "SHOOT ME OR OCEAN BECAUSE WE ARE MASONS".

Your posting is looking more and more like cornered scum.

That is not fucking soft defending.

[Marge]

Meh go ahead and lynch me.
It's ranger, persivul and ocean as scum obviously.
I get stuck with those that aren't playing the game as town.


Prohawk, there is nothing ballsy about the claim.
Persivul never said anything the day before so if ocean wasflipped yesterday his hands are clean, today is lylo so now the story sticks.

[Marge]

Just read this again and ask why range sees this as soft defending.

As promised I'm using quotes to show why I see the mason claim is fake as shit.

Blocky shouldn't be at L-1. Agreeing with the current wagons can be opportunistic. It can also mean that the people on those wagons are making good arguments and persuading people, which is what town is supposed to do. I rather think someone is opportunistic when they make abrupt changes from one wagon to another.

On the positive side, he noted that Ranger is buddying, which is something I thought too after Ranger proposed a town block.

Four people - Kraeg, Ocean, Kop, ETL - have post counts in the single digits. I'll bet there's 1-2 scum there. From the rest I'm suspicious of Marge and Ranger.

I hate Titus' breaking idea, but I butt heads with Titus on breaking almost every time we play together so that's not giving me a read.

Ocean is listed as players that are low posting and maybe scum.

Reads preview:

Town - Flubber, ETL
Lean town - Ythan

Lean scum - Kop
Scum - Margeside

Will sort the rest later.

Maybe people could put up reads instead of bare votes so we actually have something to analyze...

Ocean is not on town list.

Firebringer's ISO reads like a heckler at open mike night. He just criticizes other people's pushes but doesn't make any of his own. I forgot that he even advocated no lynch at one point.

I wouldn't mind lynching him either, but I prefer getting the ocean flip first.

In thread ocean hasn't pinged me. I need to read her ISO. What are the top points of the case on her?

Asking about a case on ocean instead of saying ocean is town.

In thread ocean hasn't pinged me. I need to read her ISO. What are the top points of the case on her?

Are you trying to outdo Flubber as far as dumb is concerned or do you not know how to read the "pronoun" section of someone's profile tag?

I didn't notice
oceanwind's a feminine
guy name are you gay

Mason's would have already discussed gender at this point in a pt.

someone please tell me
what the charges are on him
and maybe we will

This post is in regards to ocean being scum read.
Again not defending and saying maybe lynch.

Anyone thinking that lynching there mason buddy is playing to your win condition let me know.

In the meantime.

Vote: persivul

Also getting the satisfaction of telling ythan he was wrong about persivul gives me some satisfaction.
I'm sure he'll still bitch

[Marge]

2 players attacked ocean and finally even after the claim

fire is killed over the "claimed Mason"

What are you talking about?

Firebringer apparently accepted the mason claim, as in 1590 he unvoted ocean due to the claim.

In his last post 1610, he was promoting Kop for a lynch, not me or Ocean.

If we were scum, we would have had no motivation to kill fire.

You're just making shit up now in desperation.

You mean the player calling ocean scum up until the claim that one?
The one that wasn't scum reading me?
Pfft.
Your hysterical.

All of the rest is crap.
You do not ask or say you will lynch so one that is Mason if you are Mason.
Ever!
That is bs and you know it and I know it.

Anyways there is 3 votes on me, I know I'm town, just waiting now to see if the 3 voting me are scum.

[Marge]

How balsy is it for scum to claim PR's here?

Oh and just FTR persivul was in this game where ika fake claimed mason
And there was talk about jingle going along with it.