Blitz 2: The Stars My Destination Mafia- GAME OVER!

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/confirm
Just FYI at work

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hey everyone

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IM VERY TMEPTED TO LOL HAMMER IT

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Fun thing is im abbout to head to work

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Mala could be scum right now btw

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VOTE: abr

im jsut gonna leave this vote here untill people figure out stuff

[ika]

ok so i just realzied how broken my role really is

[ika]

Are you a role copier

I will take roles fishing for 100 alex

I wish

Also im home now how are you? what would you like too talk about

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read the game and get back to me dood

i have been vaugley reading and right now i have read as foolow right now

town:
bbmolla
Ranger

nulls:
Nosferatu
Huntress
Syryana
Kid A
pignash
Spiffeh

scums in
Malakittens
talah
Firebringer
PeregrineV
Albert B. Rampage


m about to sleep bu i was askign you if anything viatal was needed i plan on reading up proper tommmorw

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@fire, guts

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mala, why are you ignoring me?

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I'm not, but I'm ignoring your little shots of calling me scum without you putting a ring on it.

the fact you have been ignoring me (show me how you have not)
you have yet to reach out to me or work with me in any manner

so i fell like you are ignoring me and i would fund that to be in your scum MO

pedit: you arent lynchign the doc abr

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syr jsut ignore him hes butthurt

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The picture was aimed at you, Ika, not Alby.

Thanks though <3

I know it was aimed at me. i just jsut hedging bets right now scum wont do anyhting about it due to the amouns of WIFOM i build around most of my claims

pedit: ill take waong answers for 200 alex

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you should also get your geners right, mins is clearyl stated ablerta

[ika]

This game is gonna be rough

i know, its sad when epopel want to be passsive agressive towards me, i can very much do the same.

why did we let of the other wagons right now? im not opposed to it but im still trying to follow the flippant vote

pedit: ill take grammar nazi for 1000 alex

alberta should knwo i dont care most times

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bb come join me on the abr wagone its full of justice

[ika]

bb come join me on the abr wagone its full of justice

Your girlfriend can join you on my bandwagon ika. Np

Good, i invoite them to my town bloc alos

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Dude I ignore a lot of people. It's not alignment indicative. Just means how I feel at that point of time. I don't know why you don't get that my playstyle has and always will be emotionally based.

I don't get how you can say that this is part of my scum MO from the two scum games I played against you, one where you weren't even in that game and I did opposite of ignore your teammate during it.

I never said you are eotiona based. I would jsut extpect you to talk to me cus you know i would quickly bounce back with you. Correct me if im wrong but you like to work with people no?

It doesnt retain to just games i have played with you don't forget i watched DLP. Whats your read on abr and why

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Also I have a theory on ABR-

scum

, and I the facts

^fixed that for me

man i should jsut quote edit things i want to say from now on

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ill take wrong genders for 500 alex

i still like how alberta cant get ym gender right. it seems only fair to call his wrong too

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And you're continuing to do it now? Really?

P-edit: Ika, you stop it too, Jesus Christ am I playing with insecure 12 year olds?

*looks at your join date*

now i get why your not used to this ill talk to you post game baout this kind of stuff but this is meagerish

pedit: it is when you identify as male IMO. i can be indiffent towards it but i rather be called by proper gender. if ppl want to intentionaly do mine wong i cna do likewise

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can we just lycnh avr and move on with life

i mean if hes scum im heding bets on maal being scum nuber 2

[ika]

sorry im voting scum!abr right now.

im here right now if you want to dance. what we dacing to? tango, waltz, nutcraker?

can you sump up your current reads ina nutsehll i have been follwing but they seem all null/weakish on strength

pedit: lol

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syra are you voring abr yet

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who ever said i had personal things against abr?

like thats the thing i find funny in all this

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The slot is still scum

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sigh.........

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spiffeh have you consider mala is jsut scum right now?

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what if i said i was mason doctor cop with spiffeh?

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It says what it says.

Pedit: HOLY FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE RETARDED IT WASN'T A GODDAMN MASON CLAIM

how is claiming to be masons with bbmolla twice not a mason claim?

Older players know that claiming to be Masons isn't to be taken seriously in the way it was done. I do it as syr did all the time.

Or at least I used to. Nowadays players are idiots.

I like how ppl still think mason are the end all of things when they are not

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spiffeh have you consider mala is jsut scum right now?

vote me. I'm not playing this stupid fucking game again.

after DGB. i offter to tango with you but you seem to not take it entirly

look i fully enjoy you and playing with you but you should realize that yoru snark at me has no affect

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There's only one thing that slightly bothers me about Kid A, but that's prob due more to my role PM than anything else =\

elaborate?

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Firebringer can you give me your last two scum gAmes?

How troll would it be if I gave you offsite games?

how troll would it be if i liked the one here?

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And for actually scumhunting.

But this was early SC2.

you should come back to the site.

the arugment of comparing mollas gaem to this game is really stretchy btw

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-.-

how hard is it to get a damn lynch why do peoeple keep making couterwagons

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Yeah we only have 12 hours. What's the plan?

lynch DGB

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Yeah we only have 12 hours. What's the plan?

lynch DGB

Why are you wanting to lynch a JailKeeper claim when we have no information aside from the current claims?

Cus i do not see it being town with the current claims, like in between me/rber/jker do you rally think we are all town?

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Possibly not, but it's really easy for scum to push a claim-lynch on Day 1 onto the wrong option, even considering that one might be scum.
We need objective information on what happens overnight now that the claims exist.

And anyway - you claimed Mason Doctor Cop?
So how does you trolling support your argument?

I claimed doc earlier i wasn't lying about that. The mason/doc/cop was more troll

Also your argument is really really shitty cus if you are wating for info you might as well be doing nothign then

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Okay. Well you were under no actual vote pressure so the claim was probably a bad move.

My argument is not shitty at all. It's actually the optimal play when you have seeming counterclaims with no additional night-action information. And we also need to decide on a reasonable lynch that is either likely scum, clears out bullshit, or both.

I'm going to suggest you vote Ranger then if you actually care about the outcome of this game.

how about we jsut lynch the scum and move on, abr was scum and DGB taking the slot doe not change a role pm

like whats the town case cus yoru argument is very weak

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like if this were to be a full vanilla game instead would you still say the same thing?

what if it was an open? would you still go with what your saying?

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1)What's my town-case on Syryana, or you?

2)ABR was pretty town by the way. He was confrontational and alert and then apparently just got pissed off and replaced. DGB I'm always tending to give a day to prove herself anyway.

3)When you say my argument is pretty weak - I think you arguing that it's LOLGOODPLAY to lynch a claimed jailkeeper when we don't have any night action results to make good decisions on, is something far more than weak.

1)im not you care to link it?

2) he can do that as both town and scum jsyk

3) congratulations on not refuting the point nd jsut resorting to discredits

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tell me what scum has then to counterballance 3 portective (yes i consider rb to be a protective role they can block nk)

like im looking at this form setup spec alone, so we are proballylookign at two diffrent wavelenght right now

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not moving my vote

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talah both ABR and DGB haver been scummy as shit

I'm not prepared to risk it. Apparently you are.

great risk is great reward

tell ya what, if DGB flips town i will ehlp you lynch ranger tommorw

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VOTE: mala

his is my next idea of whos scum

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i also want to echo when i was calling ABR scum all along too and then poointed DGB does not make a slot change a role pm

you cant have all the cred BB.

anyways got work

pedit: why not? i want to hear why spiffeh is still scum after this (granted i need to do my own search on unaligned now)

pedit2: i have to iso them and see, i mean there are a few playrs who i would not be suprised to see if they misread that bad

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im gonna go eat real quick then skim a bit then work

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i would

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Actually Spiffeh just because you voted DGB doesn't make you town. It doesn't. You voted/fought after DGB claimed, which obv was a fake claim, so busing there isn't too harmful because it gives you cred for it.

But she flipped jker?

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like i would nto be suprised if this is a power heavy game right now

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time to get isoing now

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Spoiler: cliff notes of iso

13: stuble buddy to scum partner
60: bbmolla town?
67: soft FB defence
87: blatent vote
110: syrana scum lean (fliped town)
193: unvote fire into syry
204: links me and kid A
264: vote on syra (fliped town)
266: ???
269: nosf small snip prob town
345: talah unaligned?
353: list 3 ppl 2/3 are town?
355: removes read on me
361: negative lights spiffeh
382: ask kid a on spiffeh read
433: distance mala?
459: no read on fired but trust it?
460: calls it scum but doesnt vote
486: readlist, come back to
541: soft disctance of spiffeh?
579: link to save jker, directed at spiffeh
651: vanity wagon on ranger, considers talha
658: calls kid A town, summy read on ranger
716: bussing?
719: FB mentioned again
733: ranger prob unaligned

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Along with the fact fery's games always has the JK as town and the RB'r as scum.

show me at least 2 games where that is true cus mala im finding it really hard to belive you right now

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X-shot.......

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thats very null?

i mena if anything it shouts what role spiffeh is to me now

whats your analsis on the flips and wheir posts

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you literally just did it again

will you just stop provokign him and asnwer me

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im tempted to do fire mostly cus DGB said "trust my fire read" but never gave one?

anwyay work time ill be back tongiht if anyones around

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cool fire is IC that mkes it easier i jsut need to reread

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im almost wanting amass call at this point

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BB you here i want to setup spec

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does post 559 a S/S interaciton?

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nice mala

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talah, humor me, why would sk kill huntress?

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Because Mala stated a scumread on huntress which was actually a townread.

so you are saying mala is the sk?

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Because Mala stated a scumread on huntress which was actually a townread.

so you are saying mala is the sk?

Well I wouldn't think it is anyone else given the crumbing.
Potentially speaking, at least.

so why would SK!mala blaineley crumb vig?

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mala I really don't see why your set on lynching spiffeh.

^for you mala

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=62938

this game is why i think malas scum she did the same thing here, defend hutress and she was scum

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if PV does nto post soon i will eb inclined to join it

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=62938

this game is why i think malas scum she did the same thing here, defend hutress and she was scum

Wanna actually meta me dork? I always townread huntress in all my games until it's too late when j realize I'm either dead or hanmering

sure care to link me to said games

i have more thenjsut that reason mala, i have yet to see you try to work with anyone or me in that case and all your doing is shouting "i wont be lynched" which is null for you as you have said in fro99ers game

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VOTE: PV

ok he has not posted scince his "catch up" he dies

mala join us

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my change of vote should say something mala. If it's not over its right back to you

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bb we lynch mala next if pv isn't it

Also I'm mobile posting arm so I'm barely reading

[ika]

How does who I protected change anything at this point I mean if they were strongman killed how does it change anything? Who's not to say I could of been hair role locked intead?

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Strongman bypasses roleblock and doc heals fyi

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Ok i have to do it slow and easy

A is strongmna
B is doc
C is rber
D is vig

presume no outside influence happens

action 1) A+B targets C results is C dying
Action 2) D targets B results in B dying

both kills act out simultaneously
Doc protection gets ignored due to stongman activation

thats how NAR should resolve it

pedit: chamber kinda beat me but this should make sense now?

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[quote=wiki]Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks.[/quote]

if you still dont get it i grabed the wiki on strongman thats should explain why the dicussion is moot regalrdess of my action

pedit: i wish you didnt out that chamber i had that in the back of my mind but i wasnted to make them thinkit was faull vig

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99.9% of the time a joat will be 1-shot of the role. I dont think i have seen joats not have more then one-shot unless they have a "refresh" ability that lets them resuse it

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A JOAT is explicitly a role with multiple 1-shot abilities as I understand it? Might be me making the false assumption.

Nah your right i got wiki

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... all-trades

The Jack-of-all-trades is a role with several one-shot night abilities - typically abilities centered around investigating, protecting and killing. The Jack-of-all-trades may use whichever ability they want on a specific Night, but can use each one only once.

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OH HELL YA SC2 IS UPDATED BYE NOW TIME FOR CAMPAIGN

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Pie is town

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Yes I'm still campaigning and not sleeping

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Unless you amend your claim to weak-doctor that targeted him last night I don't think I really care if that's all you have.

Something close to that

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Anyway didn't someone mention the idea of 2 scum teams?

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Can we just lynch pv and be done with it

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bwahahahah

that was ez mode game

my god i love my neighborhood

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also page top

its late here so i might post stuff later, but i will say this now

Best neigborhood i had in a long time, jsut about every other time i had one it had scum, this game jsut felt right in the hood

ABR is kidna pathetic for repalcing out like that, i dont have any real vendetta against him but he did drop his scum tell which is why i would not let up on him

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Optimal townplay is to just fakeclaim a bunch of bullshit to draw nightkills / confuse scum these days?

Along with generally giving no reasons for reads, unless pushed, ofc.

the first part is subjective. me/bbmolla gambited cus we were neighbors and knew what we were doing, if i was jsut a lone VT i prob would of faked a diffrent role. The thing was is that we jsut blaitently trusted each other to a degree where we could face claim our role with 0 drawback. I mean the hood was the biggest pull for us.

As for the later, that seems to be kinda norm? i mean i like to do it for reaciotns. but i will gloss over wall reads all i usal do is leave a sentance or 2. the one with gash though was based on the hood so i didnt have any "real" evidience he was town outside of role

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i would say as watch, alwasy watch the claimed PR regardless, if there was a hypothical doc alive and the watcher spotted it and 2 other people died, then you know who the doc is as another confirmed town.

jsut my 2 cents

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Well you were - I'm not going to say easy to read - but at least readable.

I tend to leave myself an air of oodities to keep people who dont know me all that well engadged with me, its how i keep myself motivated

The first few things you said were risky if you were going to just do nothing afterward and I was able to read you because you engaged with me and explained where you were coming from (I could say the same of Ranger Day 2 and sort of pignash as well, but then with Pere in my blind spot I was looking for something a bit more difficult to find in Nosferatu/Mala, for example).

Thats towns job to be slightly transparent. I knwo you were town based on how nitpicky you are, it used to be an old town trait of mine i abuse a lot but it becomae annoying and taxing to me.

The problem from my perspective was - I had a bunch of incorrect information I was trying to figure things out based on. And I was travelling on the assumption that town basically don't - or try not to - lie.

This will eb twofold one

the first is the setup: i can understand how you got "well this doesn't fit" cus you did have false info (techancly you can blame molla for that cus he claimd doc first and i took it for him), however,one of the thing i had naggling in the back of my mind and breifly brought into the hood (again why i love my hood is that i can post raw there) is that what if it was multiball/sk? doing that openly widens scums escapes cus they jsut ride on that idea. Sometime you ahve to know that you can be right and wrgon on setup spec. I understood your reason for wanting to know my doc shot but even as you can see with a watcher if i claimed i vited BBmolla, ranger would of scrutinized me, i try to keep the gambit cut possible when i do my fakeclaims so i dont make a false claim and then ahve to come out and be liek "ya im VT who lied:

the second is lying: this one again is a subjective thing, i realzie that most towns should not lie. however i run under the principle of "if you can gambit and get away, do it" that can incluse lying. However i leave my lies either vauge enough to get people to stir up a convo, or strightfoward enough to where it gets shrugged off until later.

This was made all the more frustrating by the fact I had Spiffeh in our PT wanting to out our neighbourhood (ok) and then wanting all of us to claim (ok) which didn't eventuate (probably a good thing but GRR), and Molla and yourself mentioning massclaim when I was drooling over that as well just so we could figure out what was probably true and what was probably false.

That was the thing, the hood was had was basicly a masonary. So it is very fickle to reveal . BBmola did good on jsut saying "well i got a hood" and i think that would of been sufficent info to tey to setupepec form there. If i ever get a hood thats masonry to me, i will not out them. I would jsue say "they are mason to me"

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- Did the 18 hours til prod, 6 hours to post afterwards rule seem reasonable?

That works, i would just replace outright after 24 in a 72-48 hr game

- Would a 48 hour day have been preferable to 72?

i would like 24-48 more, thats what i play one and why i work so well

- What about the 48 hour night? I thought it was better than 24 hours mostly so players could have downtime every few days.

24-48 again

- Is there anything about the format that you would change?

Not really

- My design plans were to make the game design a little more townsided than I ordinarily would because of the short format. I also set things up so that early mass claim would hurt town more than mafia. Was this a reasonable design choice? Why or why not?

No its bad design by start. My site plays 24-48 hr all the time and frankly we can get out a nice 40 pages (50 post each) in that timeframe. I have also had games where it would be town stomps and scum stomps. Trying to favor a side on timeframe is not good design. If this game had 1-shot vig removed IC and watcher it would of been better for scum IMO

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fucked up the quote

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Can I just say I fucking wrecked this game

^so true

And sure I misread Firebringer at the start but I think it's reasonable for the reasons I gave.

firebringer always acts scummy

Actually I'll give ika credit for the ABR/DGB lynch

I think a large part of it was me lucking out in who was in this game, these players are all pretty readable with my own set of tells.

That helped but i think the primary thign for me was hood and interactions.

ika legit well played this game, and I don't think I'd ever say that to you. Not that you're terrible, but I've never been impressed by your play as much as I was here.

Truthfully I though i was gonna go apathetic due to the hood and not knowing many players.et the opposite happened

The main reaosn i do better here then elsewhere thoguh is that im used to a rapid cycle so i can quickly do stuff in a short timeframe, as games go on i get more board witht he gamestate and it slows where im at "lycnh already" mode the short timeframe alleviates that and allows me to play more to my element

Well you already know the problem I had was that you went in a roundabout manner just getting reactions I guess at the start of the game with Syr providing explanations and Ranger sheeping. I still have no idea how that was all town (but my "well done" wasn't insincere, it was :rolleyes:).

When it comes to stuff like that, sometimes it best to just trust it. I mean there are several players i knwo where if i do X they will do Y as town and Z as scum (hence my ABR scum read), i dont out it cus i want to continue to use it. I have leanred to kinda ask "why are you sheeping" and if they go "well i trust them/town read of mine" i just go with it for now. Questioning something like that in early game doesnt really give too much value

You think I'm looking at asinine bullshit but then if that was the case it can't have been much different in your large normal. It's just how I scumhunt. The changed gameday broke what I usually do, though. I felt in a constant state of RVS up until about 2 days into the last day.

I think if you get that problem you need to try a new approach or learn to adapt, this may sound a bit mean but its the truth. When I first came here i was not used to long days so i would be spammy as hell. I eventually leanred that it does not get he desired results and i had to adapt to the new way. I would recommend a micro or an open to try a new way of playing and see how it works out. Im sure if you play offbased you will be scum read for it but it mgiht help long term

I thoroughly enjoyed this game. Hiveminding with Molla and Ranger was fun as hell.

Don't know what the hell Kid was smoking when he thought the masons thing was an actual claim though.

A lot of stuff is my bet

I still have no idea how that was all town

It's all in the style, dahling.

FWIW I thought you were the scummiest scumfuck ever until after I died <3

I saw the opposite

You can't look at everything at face value, you need to look at intent. I think what eventually townread you for me was some frustrated post you made about what you're talking about right now that rang true. It didn't make sense to me for scum to take that approach so I found you likely to be town.

^so mcuh that, learning the /why/ behind someone does something is so much more then the face value. If anything i say learn how the /why/ people act as they are. Its the ultimate tool IMO

I can't talk about reading me, I think I'm fairly easy to read personally but obviously I know my playstyle differences, but for me it comes down a lot to just intent. Example, Firebringer's dicking around at the start. Normally, scum intent. Due to special circumstances, I understood why I misread him and eventually he started posting genuine posts that had a more clear town intent.

^again very true, as an IC fire was doing what i would expet from an IC, not caring, discreit, scummy stuff dilibertly, like day 1 RVS stuff fire was doign was so blaitent that its one of those "why is he doing this" cus i mean fire is skilled enought o have a real convo with it and get town read on a real way

Idk. It's just gut.

gut OPed

That's why I never explained; there was literally nothing I could have said that Syryana hadn't already covered, so my posting would've been redundant.

I think I *kinda sorta* get you here?

I still think you could have explained your own train of thought which I guess you're saying you did.
Thing is that even if I 100% agree with someone I have my own way of arriving at that so usually like to provide some extra content to allow other players to read me as town and prove myself as town. It doesn't always work and sometimes I guess comes across as dross, but the players I came around to townreading this game were mostly players that were able to provide evidence of unique lines of thinking which also made sense to me. Small beer but the only incorrect townread I had was Pere when it comes down to it, and that was based on identifying his claim being identical to mine. I did say ABR seemed townie but that wasn't the specific reason I was defending the slot (it was the cross-claims and fear of mislynching a PR).

This is where i think you get a lot of the "why" part but i think you are getting the surface of it. Its good to get conclusions on your own means, however it draws back to my first point where sometimes you jsut need to trust what being said. I mean ya he could of said "well my reasons mirror X" but i guess would it lead you to a town read is my question.

I only came around to townreading you when you provided exactly what I was asking for - reasoning. Explanation of what you were thinking.
I suppose I could have been gentler in the asking but you were seriously just sheeping without reason from my perspective.

make sense

((Pere you played a great game btw you bastard!))

acutaly hes very easy to meta read if you knwo what to look for

Also I just thought...

Had Spiffeh claimed Vig I would have been tunnelling SK in our neighbourhood and one scum in Molla's.

RIP

if he claimed i would of shut you down in a heartbeat, what you would of been doing there is opening the pool for scum (not scums ) i mean i would think sk too in the back of my mind but i would of just let sk live cus we were at such an advantage

I have my own way of arriving at that so usually like to provide some extra content to allow other players to read me as town and prove myself as town.

I was a

watcher

.

Drawing attention to myself (by proving I was town) would've been a

hilariously

bad idea. Simply put, I could've 'proven' I was town fairly easily, but given my role, it was more beneficial for me to remain out of the spotlight.

Well proving is different from "proving" if you take my meaning.
I've only rolled a couple of PRs but the whole 'act a bit scummy' thing hasn't been something I gelled with; I've assumed for me it's better to act as VT (until I end up claiming I guess ).
Idk for me I'm generally not worried about being mislynched as any role except scum.

I do what ranger said, jsut dont act town