Blitz 2: The Stars My Destination Mafia- GAME OVER!

talah · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:09 pm

In post 671, Nosferatu wrote:I'd be comfortable with Huntress or talah for today, I'd need to be convinced for anything outside of that.

Mind throwing out a couple of reasons for that assessment?
Also we have what - 10 hours?

I think Ranger is the best option. She's shown no inclination to provide reasoning beyond surface-level attributions of alignment. There's no arriving at the destination.
My interactions with her have been simply dismissive on her part with token answers which defeat the purpose of asking questions in the first place.

Ranger or ika please townies.

I'm not going to be voting either of Syr or DGB Day 1 with both claims on the table. The risk is way too high without further information which is only going to come from letting a night pass.

edit: okay 12 hours.

talah · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:12 pm

In post 674, ika wrote:
In post 673, pignash wrote:Yeah we only have 12 hours. What's the plan?

lynch DGB

Why are you wanting to lynch a JailKeeper claim when we have no information aside from the current claims?

ika · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:26 pm

In post 676, talah wrote:
In post 674, ika wrote:
In post 673, pignash wrote:Yeah we only have 12 hours. What's the plan?

lynch DGB

Why are you wanting to lynch a JailKeeper claim when we have no information aside from the current claims?

Cus i do not see it being town with the current claims, like in between me/rber/jker do you rally think we are all town?

talah · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:46 pm

Possibly not, but it's really easy for scum to push a claim-lynch on Day 1 onto the wrong option, even considering that one might be scum.
We need objective information on what happens overnight now that the claims exist.

And anyway - you claimed Mason Doctor Cop?
So how does you trolling support your argument?

ika · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:53 pm

In post 678, talah wrote:Possibly not, but it's really easy for scum to push a claim-lynch on Day 1 onto the wrong option, even considering that one might be scum.
We need objective information on what happens overnight now that the claims exist.

And anyway - you claimed Mason Doctor Cop?
So how does you trolling support your argument?

I claimed doc earlier i wasn't lying about that. The mason/doc/cop was more troll

Also your argument is really really shitty cus if you are wating for info you might as well be doing nothign then

talah · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:00 pm

Okay. Well you were under no actual vote pressure so the claim was probably a bad move.

My argument is not shitty at all. It's actually the optimal play when you have seeming counterclaims with no additional night-action information. And we also need to decide on a reasonable lynch that is either likely scum, clears out bullshit, or both.

I'm going to suggest you vote Ranger then if you actually care about the outcome of this game.

ika · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:06 pm

In post 680, talah wrote:Okay. Well you were under no actual vote pressure so the claim was probably a bad move.

My argument is not shitty at all. It's actually the optimal play when you have seeming counterclaims with no additional night-action information. And we also need to decide on a reasonable lynch that is either likely scum, clears out bullshit, or both.

I'm going to suggest you vote Ranger then if you actually care about the outcome of this game.

how about we jsut lynch the scum and move on, abr was scum and DGB taking the slot doe not change a role pm

like whats the town case cus yoru argument is very weak

ika · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:08 pm

like if this were to be a full vanilla game instead would you still say the same thing?

what if it was an open? would you still go with what your saying?

talah · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:13 pm

What's my town-case on Syryana, or you?

ABR was pretty town by the way. He was confrontational and alert and then apparently just got pissed off and replaced. DGB I'm always tending to give a day to prove herself anyway.

When you say my argument is pretty weak - I think you arguing that it's LOLGOODPLAY to lynch a claimed jailkeeper when we don't have any night action results to make good decisions on, is something far more than weak.

ika · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:16 pm

In post 683, talah wrote:1)What's my town-case on Syryana, or you?

2)ABR was pretty town by the way. He was confrontational and alert and then apparently just got pissed off and replaced. DGB I'm always tending to give a day to prove herself anyway.

3)When you say my argument is pretty weak - I think you arguing that it's LOLGOODPLAY to lynch a claimed jailkeeper when we don't have any night action results to make good decisions on, is something far more than weak.

1)im not you care to link it?

2) he can do that as both town and scum jsyk

3) congratulations on not refuting the point nd jsut resorting to discredits

BBmolla · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:18 pm

not moving my vote

talah · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:19 pm

In post 682, ika wrote:like if this were to be a full vanilla game instead would you still say the same thing?

what if it was an open? would you still go with what your saying?

No, if this were a full vanilla game there would be no PRs.

If it was an open we would have setup information and could discuss likelihoods of direct counter-claims.

If I presume one of DGB and Syr is town and one is scum (which I don't, by the way, but let's go with that as an example), what we have now is:

Town1: not sure
Town2: not sure, leaning scum
Town3: not sure
Town4: not sure, leaning town
...
Scum1: MUST LYNCH TOWN PR CLAIM
Scum2: MUST LYNCH TOWN PR CLAIM
...

Do you see that based on no rational or logical argument except for the counterclaims, town lose if scum hold the balance of power in a situation where no additional information exists?
The correct play is to let both claims survive the lynch and have a chance to perform an action which they will necessarily claim tomorrow.

talah · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:20 pm

In post 685, BBmolla wrote:not moving my vote

Good for you sportsfan

ika · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:22 pm

tell me what scum has then to counterballance 3 portective (yes i consider rb to be a protective role they can block nk)

like im looking at this form setup spec alone, so we are proballylookign at two diffrent wavelenght right now

BBmolla · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:22 pm

talah both ABR and DGB haver been scummy as shit

talah · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:24 pm

In post 684, ika wrote:
In post 683, talah wrote:1)What's my town-case on Syryana, or you?

2)ABR was pretty town by the way. He was confrontational and alert and then apparently just got pissed off and replaced. DGB I'm always tending to give a day to prove herself anyway.

3)When you say my argument is pretty weak - I think you arguing that it's LOLGOODPLAY to lynch a claimed jailkeeper when we don't have any night action results to make good decisions on, is something far more than weak.

1)im not you care to link it?

2) he can do that as both town and scum jsyk

3) congratulations on not refuting the point nd jsut resorting to discredits

The point you made was literally "your argument is weak". There was nothing to refute except that I don't think it's weak at all and I think your line of thinking is weaker.
Which I then proceeded to explain in the same sentence.
Are you just wanting to say things like "discredit" because they make people look scummy? Or are you trying to figure out the game?

As to 1) it was a rhetorical question, if you elaborate on what you want linked I will endeavour to be your linking slave.

As to 2) yeah everyone can and that's a trite phrase.

ika · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:25 pm

In post 685, BBmolla wrote:not moving my vote

talah · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:26 pm

In post 689, BBmolla wrote:talah both ABR and DGB haver been scummy as shit

I'm not prepared to risk it. Apparently you are.

Ranger · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:27 pm

Nosferatu wrote:don't mod-provided fakeclaims generally not conflict with actually present roles?

I'm telling you, the way my role's worded is different from both of theirs (government, with no mention of officers), so I think that regardless of their alignments, they're using either their real role or their mod-provided fakeclaim; in either case, the mod would be smart enough to have the conflict be intentional.

For the record: I'm convinced that even

if

DrippingGoofBall is town, Syryana is town, too: as a scum roleblocker, he has no reason to paint a target on himself by counter-claiming. He could just stay silent and say he was a VT, blocking DGB.

talah wrote:Since he's not saying it, Spiffeh, Pere and I are in an anytime-talk neighbourhood. If one of the two is scum, it's probably Spiffeh. But I figure I can nut it out since it's a lot quieter and rational over there.

Or far more likely, it's you.

ika · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:29 pm

In post 692, talah wrote:
In post 689, BBmolla wrote:talah both ABR and DGB haver been scummy as shit

I'm not prepared to risk it. Apparently you are.

great risk is great reward

tell ya what, if DGB flips town i will ehlp you lynch ranger tommorw

talah · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:31 pm

In post 688, ika wrote:tell me what scum has then to counterballance 3 portective (yes i consider rb to be a protective role they can block nk)

like im looking at this form setup spec alone, so we are proballylookign at two diffrent wavelenght right now

Oh my god this is like deja vu from Molla's game.

I don't know they have a fucking potato monster with hocks of ham for arms that shoots poison fire-bees from its mouth whenever it posts in this thread.
There are role combinations that easily counter RB / JK.

I dunno, Ascetic redirector to start with? It's a theme.

Ranger · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:31 pm

BBMolla wrote:I think people who are saying shit like PV is saying are probably scum who realized that in DGB vs. Syr, DGB loses so they're trying to deflect it elsewhere. Fuck that. The wagon is good. I don't understand how anyone can actually believe Syr is scum.

I also don't get the spiffeh scum read.

H I V E M I N D.

talah · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:33 pm

In post 693, Ranger wrote:
talah wrote:Since he's not saying it, Spiffeh, Pere and I are in an anytime-talk neighbourhood. If one of the two is scum, it's probably Spiffeh. But I figure I can nut it out since it's a lot quieter and rational over there.
Or far more likely, it's you.

Oh, GGWP you nailed it.

talah · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:36 pm

In post 694, ika wrote:great risk is great reward

tell ya what, if DGB flips town i will ehlp you lynch ranger tommorw

I don't know what I'll be doing tomorrow if I'm even alive as we'll actually have more information then and Ranger wasn't my top choice for lynch until Syryana claimed anyway.
So this is not really winning me over, thanks for the offer.

Ranger · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:38 pm

BBMolla wrote:Kid A scum and DGB scum actually doesn't make a shit ton of sense. If Kid A sees DGB going down, why claim to have similar role PM?

I think Kid A is town, if it helps.

Nosferatu wrote:I'd be comfortable with Huntress or talah for today, I'd need to be convinced for anything outside of that.

The only thing stopping me from agreeing is that DGB is very transparently scum and Syryana very much transparently town.