Blitz 16: Blitz Greatest Idea Mafia(GAME OVER)

[BlackStar]

VOTE: flubbednugget

Hi

[BlackStar]

Here are the list of discards:
1. Frozen Angel - Survivor
2. Almost50 - Vanilla Cop
3. Smithereens - Werewolf

Roleblocker

4. Wednesday_ - Mafia

Jailkeeper

5. Starbuck - Hider
6. Radiant Cowbells - Bodyguard
7. Jackal711 - Vanilla Townie
8. Ranger - Werewolf
9. Persivul - FBI Agent
10. lane0168 - Cult Leader
11. BlackStar -

Cop

12. Flubbernugget - Tree Stump
13. Davesaz -

Double Voter

Several good roles got tossed, most notably Cop and Double Voter.

Blackstar, why did you toss Cop?

I made a mistake the second time that I chose a combination and in order to keep this role the mod had to change my first choice to cop.

[BlackStar]

I made a mistake the second time that I chose a combination and in order to keep this role the mod had to change my first choice to cop.

I'm kinda doubting that mod changed one of your cards. However, mod did things a little different by supplying the possible combinations from the deal. This made things easier in one sense, but for some people (me included) a particular role/alignment combination could be made with either of two cards for the alignment. I specified my discard to mod. I don't know what happened if people didn't specify. That may have something to do with what you're saying. Or not.

Mode changed your role?!!! that's somehow not possible... is it?

Maybe I'm not explaining it right. I chose my first card and then on the second card I chose one of the combinations instead of another card because I didn't really understand what I was supposed to do. In order for me to keep that role, the mod switched the choice I made on one of my cards so that I could keep the role that I wanted. I don't know that made it clearer.

[BlackStar]

First draw I got

Clairvoyant
Cop
Mafia goon

[BlackStar]

@persivul I've been a cop before and wanted to try a role that I've never played

[BlackStar]

Clairvoyant

[BlackStar]

Does anyone else find it weird that Ranger asked us to post our draws and then he left and didn't post again?

[BlackStar]

Oh, never mind. His post says that he is at work right now

[BlackStar]

I'm town!

I'm sure that this will change everyone's minds. After all, scum would never lie and say that they're town. Right? Lol

[BlackStar]

At least for my part the vote isn't entirely policy.

I get bad vibes from his post.

How could I know you get bad vibes by reading the context of the thread? Cause I didn't

What's his face jumped on the wagon and his excuse was just that it was a policy lynch. Then RC voted to lynch him because that was a poor excuse. It's not hard to understand

[BlackStar]

I think Wednesday is scum. On page 3 they had a read list and said Ranger was "confirmed town" even though he had only made one post at that point. Right after that Persivul asked Wed the same stuff that the rest of us answered and Wednesday immediately voted for him without answering.

VOTE: wednesday

[BlackStar]

Also, I think I want to update my list.
{Smithereens, Wednesday, Frozen Angel}
{Flubbernugget,blackstar }
{lane0168, davesaz}
{Jackal711 - null}
{}
{Persivul, radiant cowbells, Starbuck -null}
{Almost50}

I'm almost willing to move BlackStar and lane up a tier, but I need a little more from them to be sure.

That is where I'm at. I don't think we are gonna get almost50 lynched today based on reading their entry post. Persivul seems like the type to just role over and die, cowbells maybe, I don't even know what a starbuck is...

For certain though I'll vote when necessary. And be my usual self until hanging time. I feel like I know something; it pertains to blackstar unsure whether to say it

Well actually I'm interested. why there is no Ranger in this list ...

Ranger made that list

[BlackStar]

Ah okay

[BlackStar]

How does that not look scummy? Someone made one post and you think it's alright to decide that they're definitely town based off of that? Any rational person would closely observe people before they came to a conclusion about their alignment. And I provided the context of the situation, so I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not trying to create discord, you just made a lot of weird decisions.

[BlackStar]

How would a naked vote make more sense? If I did that then people would find that scummy because I didn't give any reason for it.

[BlackStar]

You're making me more and more sure that I made the right choice by voting for you, Wednesday.

[BlackStar]

You seem very determined to protect ranger. If you were actually town you would be trying to prove that persivul and FA were scum instead of going into full on defense mode. And once again your evading the question about why you think Ranger is town. You say that the question doesn't justify a response but obviously you don't want to answer because you don't actually have an answer.

[BlackStar]

You don't answer anything that people ask of you. And I don't understand why you're being so condescending

[BlackStar]

Why is ranger town? Read the game.

All I can see is his Town reading you... and your town reading him.

Why your so sure about he being town?

I want quotes and points that because of them Your town reading him ...

pedit :

plus your votw is on me. no pressure. no questions . nothing ... your parking ?

I stopped asking because you refused to answer you immediately retrench into why Wednesday why? And all conversation just goes in a loop.

You never answer anything, so don't even go down that road.

[BlackStar]

That's not why I voted you. That's why you voted FA. Don't assume that everyone flooded the same thought process as you. I voted you before there was even a wagon and I kept it there as it became more mans more clear that you were suspicious, so obviously I don't have any trouble coming up with my own thoughts. It's annoying that you take cheap shots non stop, but overall I don't care. You never answer anyone's questions, you're defending ranger as much as you can without explaining how you've known he was town for the whole game, and instead of trying to shows us evidence that convinces us that someone else is more likely to be scum than you, you've just been flailing around and yelling.

[BlackStar]

I keep wanting to make jabs at FA's posting but there's nothing in there that would constitute an actual scum case so I keep ignoring it is

Careful blackstar is prone to call you scum for such actions.

That's not the same thing as someone also has youquestions and you deciding that you don't feel like answering any of them. I don't know what your problem with me is, but keep it civil and just play the game.

[BlackStar]

I guess if you disagree with Wednesday then you must be scum. Good to know.

[BlackStar]

It's a rather slow Blitz match imo.. T.T

People might be busy

[BlackStar]

Radiant cowbells feels really scummy. All he does is randomly vote for everybody in the game for no reason whatsoever. He claims that he can't be lynched. He reiterates a million times that he's definitely town. And for some reason, as soon as Wednesday was about to get lynched RC started trying very hard to form a wagon on Jackal. I guess it's possible that Wednesday and RC were on the same side the entire time and tried not to make it too obvious before now.

VOTE: radiant cowbells

[BlackStar]

@FA I couldn't ignore RC's weird behavior anymore. If it's very close to the end of the day and we decide that we need to lynch someone, then I'll probably put my vote on Wednesday again.

[BlackStar]

Radiant cowbells feels really scummy. All he does is randomly vote for everybody in the game for no reason whatsoever. He claims that he can't be lynched. He reiterates a million times that he's definitely town. And for some reason, as soon as Wednesday was about to get lynched RC started trying very hard to form a wagon on Jackal. I guess it's possible that Wednesday and RC were on the same side the entire time and tried not to make it too obvious before now.

VOTE: radiant cowbells

So stay on Wednesday for crying out loud.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wednesday

We can question radiantcowbells tomorrow

[BlackStar]

Radiant cowbells feels really scummy. All he does is randomly vote for everybody in the game for no reason whatsoever. He claims that he can't be lynched. He reiterates a million times that he's definitely town. And for some reason, as soon as Wednesday was about to get lynched RC started trying very hard to form a wagon on Jackal. I guess it's possible that Wednesday and RC were on the same side the entire time and tried not to make it too obvious before now.

VOTE: radiant cowbells

Are you really ignoring Rangers involvement with this


Why

I didn't ignore anything. We've already discussed that, so if I brought it up now we'd just be beating a seashores because there's no new information.

@FA I've played as town in every game

[BlackStar]

*dead horse

[BlackStar]

And now I'm wondering where Wednesday went!!
Could it be she simply assumed she was getting lynched and left w/o double checking??

She got pissed at me for not getting pissed at her insults towards me and left.

[BlackStar]

Urgh.

I completely fucked this up btw, but I can't explain how now.

You shouldn't have hammered when someone else had just placed intent

[BlackStar]

Didn't mean to quote that

[BlackStar]

So Ranger, the other day it seemed like you and Wednesday had each other's backs. Would you care to explain the reason behind that?

[BlackStar]

Alright. I never played a game with a survivor before so I didn't know if they had partners or not.

[BlackStar]

@smithereens Should you have told us that you're the vig? Now you're going to have a target painted on your back for the scum at night.

@almost50 I like the connection you made between Persivul, Starbuck and jackal. Now that we know Starbuck was scum and Persivul was defending him, it is very possible that Persivul is scum too. Then again, there still a chance that he is town and he just did a bad job of reading Starbuck. I want to hear what Persivul has to say about it.

[BlackStar]

Is there a reason you voted for me?

[BlackStar]

Sorry lol

[BlackStar]

I voted for Wednesday before there even was a wagon. She refused to answer any of the questions that people asked her and I thought that was suspicious so I voted for her.

[BlackStar]

@smithereens

I voted for Wednesday before Persivul and the others. I was these find person to vote for her. Believing she was bad was a completely understandable mistake. We asked her was she was so sure that Ranger was town and she refused to give a straight answer. She was extremely defensive of him and herself and didn't explain why. She was extremely uncooperative in general and that read as anti-town. i believe that you are town because you've played very solidly so far and you're actively scum hunting, but you're barking up the wrong tree. In my opinion, radiantcowbells seems the scummiest. She was voting for every and anybody anc changed her vote to go along with most of the wagons.

[BlackStar]

*the second person

[BlackStar]

Where's the slip?

[BlackStar]

But he didn't say that you were the vig. He said you were the claimed vig. That doesn't show that he knows you're definitely the vig.

[BlackStar]

if you have anything suggesting he is guilty I'm here to hear that.

You were on his wagon yourself at the end of D1.

You apparently thought he was guilty then. Why?

All that's changed is that he hinted that he knows your role and that he thinks you're town.

No its because of the nature of my role and how he claimed that he analized that to prove I'm town aligned to himself. I can't see a reason for scum to do that.

Honestly, it sounds more like he saw that everyone else thinks you're town and he decided to claim cop and say that you came up as town. Obviously you're not going to deny that you're town of you aren't, and if you are then you're going to trust him for being accurate. Until he checks out someone else at night and is right about their role, I still don't trust him.

[BlackStar]

If everyone is aging "I think FA is town" it wouldn't be hard for anyone to say that they investigated you and you're probably town. It doesn't really prove anything. If he is consistently right about people's roles then he'll be the confirmed cop.

[BlackStar]

Alright, I guess.

[BlackStar]

Anyway, if I remember correctly FA gave the intent to hammer Wednesday and then two posts later RC hammered out of nowhere. Should we talk about that?

[BlackStar]

Is there a town role where you can't be lynched? He mentioned that he couldn't be lynched earlier.

[BlackStar]

@Persivul: Check post #720. See if it rings a bell.

That's where you said you'd scum read me if

Jackal

flipped scum.

Now you're claiming that you said you would scum read me if

Starbuck

flipped scum.

It's tough to keep lies straight...

Wow, you're right. Almost, did you legitimately not realize that you said Jackal and not Starbuck? Or did you change your story and hope that nobody would notice?

[BlackStar]

Hi there

[BlackStar]

Hi there

Hello there, your avatar freaks me out.
Can you give me a catch up if it isn't too much trouble?

That's why i chose it haha. On day 1, Wednesday said he was 100% positive Ranger was town when he had only made 1 post at that point. He refused to explain why he knew ranger was town and wasn't answering any other questions so a wagon formed on him. then a counter wagon formed on Jackal out of nowhere. Near the deadline we finally lynched Wednesday and the flip showed that he was the survivor private investigator. Persivul pushed the hardest for the wedesday wagon and now everyone thinks that he is scum who somehow knew wednesday;s alignment. He also defended somebody who died at night and turned out to be a werewolf. Is that good enough?

[BlackStar]

I could've sworn that somebody said the people who voted for Wednesday knew that he wasn't town and that's why the wagon formed. Also you don't need to take the word "everyone" so literally. I meant that quite a few people believe that you're scum. FA, Rc and other said that. I'm not sure about you yet

[BlackStar]

I was wrong. I misread the post that I mentioned in post 970

[BlackStar]

Okay, yeah I can confirm what smithereens said.

I could've sworn that somebody said the people who voted for Wednesday knew that he wasn't town and that's why the wagon formed. Also you don't need to take the word "everyone" so literally. I meant that quite a few people believe that you're scum. FA, Rc and other said that. I'm not sure about you yet

no smith was in my nearly town block!

what was your last night action FB? more details?

I was replying to Persivul

[BlackStar]

Just ISOed Davesaz. I noticed that he didn't really push for any lynched or start a case against anyone and then he swooped in to put Wednesday at L-1 and said he did it because we were close to the deadline. He harldy said much today either. It rubs me the wrong way. In every game I've played in people have been suspicious of the lurkers but they don't actually lynch them because "it won't give the town much information". The lurkers always end up being scum and I regret not lynching them, so I'm going to follow my gut and vote for him now.

VOTE: davesaz

P-edit

@persivul My avatar is Light Yagami from death note laughing insanely lol

[BlackStar]

Droog was WW and replaced Starbuck.
Does Jackal make sense as teammate to Starbuck/Droog?

What's your thought on that question?

Jackal never did anything that would directly connect himself to Starbuck. It feels like Davesaz wanted someone to say that they think Jackal is scum so that he could agree and suggest that we lynch him.

[BlackStar]

Looking at the activity, Jackal has been even more of a lurker than Davesaz. This bothers me, but FA seems very confident that he's town for some reason that only the two of them know. I doubt that FA is scum, so I guess I'll leave my vote on Davesaz for now.

[BlackStar]

Here's another clue

--

I'm town but I want to look scummy so I'm not NK'd

. And you should check my discard.
Then kindly pull your heads out and unvote.

Pedit: I make no assumptions about there being daychat, that's why.

You gave us a clue before?

[BlackStar]

One page ago you said he was 200% town. What happened?

[BlackStar]

I do think dave and Jackal are probably town now.

Gives:
{Frozen Angel, Smithereens, Jackal711}
{davesaz} (dave's not quite as clear, but is still pretty clear)
{RadiantCowbells}
{Almost50, BlackStar}
{Flubbernugget}
{Persivul}

What makes it "pretty clear" that Dave is town? I don't see it.

[BlackStar]

I think it's pretty funny that Davesaz started trying to boost his post count as soon as I called him out for lurking.

[BlackStar]

RC, is that govern thing something that you can only use once? If so why'd you use it on someone who didn't even have a wagon on them?

[BlackStar]

Starbuck is dead. And you didn't say why I deserve to be lynched. Also, why should we believe that you're town?

[BlackStar]

Here's my read list


Towniest

Firebringer
Almost50, frozen angel
(Null) Jackal, ranger, radiantcowbells
Flubbernuggets, Persivul, Davesaz

Scummiest

[BlackStar]

@flubbernugget

FA keeps saying that Jackal hinted at her role. But I'd didn't see anything like that. He just said "I think you're probably town" and somehow that meant that nobody should vote for him. If Davesaz is really a cop, he should be actively grilling people so that he has a good idea of who he should investigate at night. Instead he just lurks and pops out whenever his name is mentioned. I called him a lurker yesterday and he only had like 25 posts. Immediately after that he boosted his post count into the 40s. Obviously he did that just so that he didn't look scummy, but it had the opposite effect. I think you're scum because your read list put the two scummiest people as town.

[BlackStar]

Persivul is scummy because he's basically been in full defense mode for the entirety of day 2. Yeah, I know that you're getting scum read a lot and you want people to trust you but it feels slightly desperate. I'd be more inclined to believe that you're town of you built a strong case against somebody.

[BlackStar]

@FA I didn't see that. I guess I should revise my list then

[BlackStar]

How does you flipping town automatically make me or ranger scum?

[BlackStar]

Wow, I just realized something that I should've noticed a long time ago. But I'm not sure if I should say anything about it.

[BlackStar]

I know that the timing probably looks bad but it was your post (1158) that made me realize it

[BlackStar]

@almost50
Ugh... Alright, I guess. I'm the town bus driver. I targeted Persivul and radiantcowbells on N1. But RC didn't die and Starbuck/droog did instead. I PMed my night action to the mod really early and didn't look at it again until now so I kind of forgot that I targeted RC and not Starbuck. I guess I also didn't care because a werewolf died. Since RC is still alive that must mean that there's a second bus driver.

[BlackStar]

On day 1 I thought you were town because you called out Wednesday on his weird behavior. So I expected the scum to try and kill you. I didn't really trust RC so I gambled that he was scum and thought that I could redirect the kill from you onto him.

[BlackStar]

@almost
I'm saying that someone else targeted RC and that's why Starbuck died instead of him.

[BlackStar]

On day 1 I thought you were town because you called out Wednesday on his weird behavior. So I expected the scum to try and kill you. I didn't really trust RC so I gambled that he was scum and thought that I could redirect the kill from you onto him.

What was your alignment card?

Town

[BlackStar]

I'm saying that someone else targeted RC and that's why Starbuck died instead of him.

Same question stands: Why would ONE switch take precedence OVER ANOTHER?

Oh, I have no idea.

[BlackStar]

OK, what's your modifier then?? Maybe that would help.

Alpha. I show up as not werewolf

[BlackStar]

On day 1 I thought you were town because you called out Wednesday on his weird behavior. So I expected the scum to try and kill you. I didn't really trust RC so I gambled that he was scum and thought that I could redirect the kill from you onto him.

What was your alignment card?

Town

I mean the actual card, like vanilla townie or tracker.

town clairvoyant

[BlackStar]

You got clairvoyant in both the first deal and the second?

oh. I didnt understnad your question. I got claiyvoyant and then the second time I chose busdriver

[BlackStar]

You got clairvoyant in both the first deal and the second?

oh. I didnt understnad your question. I got claiyvoyant and then the second time I chose busdriver

You still don't understand. The second time you had cop and bus driver. What was the third card?

Now both of us are confused haha.
This is what i originally got in the first draw

Town Clairvoyant
Town Tracker
Mafia Goon

I chose clairvoyant.
this is what i had in the second draw

Town Cop
Neighborizer
Town Bus Driver

I chose bus driver and got the role pm confirming that. But then I got another pm from the mod saying that he made a mistake. The combinations i chose wouldn't give me the role that I wanted, town bus driver. He had to change the neighborizer card to vanilla townie and discard the cop role.

[BlackStar]

RC its obvious blackstar is lying ...

help me lynch the scum

How is it obvious I'm lying? Almost also claimed bus driver, so for all you know he's the one that lied. But you didn't even consider that possibility and you're acting like the only logical conclusion is that it was me. And how do we even know that you're the doctor? Like you said, it doesn't make sense that Starbuck died. I know that i'm not lying, so one of you is.

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ranger

[BlackStar]

I have my driving test today, so I probably won't be able to post that much.

[BlackStar]

I'm back. What'd I miss?

[BlackStar]

Flubbernugget was near the bottom of my read list, so if everyone is ready to lynch him then let's do this

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubbernugget
That's L-1, right?

[BlackStar]

Flubbernugget was near the bottom of my read list, so if everyone is ready to lynch him then let's do this

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flubbernugget
That's L-1, right?

Firebringer always plays like shit but how are people not saying anything about this

No reads

Here's my read list


Towniest

Firebringer
Almost50, frozen angel
(Null) Jackal, ranger, radiantcowbells
Flubbernuggets, Persivul, Davesaz

Scummiest

No scumhunting

I think Wednesday is scum. On page 3 they had a read list and said Ranger was "confirmed town" even though he had only made one post at that point. Right after that Persivul asked Wed the same stuff that the rest of us answered and Wednesday immediately voted for him without answering.

VOTE: wednesday

Just ISOed Davesaz. I noticed that he didn't really push for any lynched or start a case against anyone and then he swooped in to put Wednesday at L-1 and said he did it because we were close to the deadline. He harldy said much today either. It rubs me the wrong way. In every game I've played in people have been suspicious of the lurkers but they don't actually lynch them because "it won't give the town much information". The lurkers always end up being scum and I regret not lynching them, so I'm going to follow my gut and vote for him now.

VOTE: davesaz

Just this

[BlackStar]

By the way, I wasn't lurking. I was just really busy yesterday. I got my driver's license.

[BlackStar]

It's pretty funny that you're downplaying my activity when you haven't actually contributed anything yourself.

[BlackStar]

It's pretty funny that you're downplaying my activity when you haven't actually contributed anything yourself.

Four posts. That's with your own bias

Dude... You're calling me out for "lurking" when there are 3 people who have way less posts than me. That's suspicious as hell. Why would you call me out but not any of them? It fees like one of them is your scum partner and you're trying to protect them by casting attention onto me. It also feels like a desperate attempt to get yourself out of L-1. Try a better angle next time.

[BlackStar]

Wait, why is Jackal suspicious now?

[BlackStar]

If didn't reply you'd just keep saying "this guy keeps lurking and we need to punish him for that" -_- No matter what I do you'd find a way to say that it's scummy.

[BlackStar]

I switched Almost and Jackal. I had a feeling that Jackal was scum and since Almost had his vote on him at the end of the day, it was likely that of jackal was scum he would target almost. So I wanted Jackal to kill himself. That didn't work out very well

[BlackStar]

I think MY action resolved first though. I had submitted it just as soon as Kraeg put up the lynch flip. This means you were in Jackal's spot & he was in mine.

So the werewolves were targeting me?

[BlackStar]

I guess he just really wanted to shoot FA haha

[BlackStar]

Can you clarify the swaps please? I did target someone and got a not mafia, but have doubts about who my investigation actually revealed.

What do you need clarified? We already explained who got bussed and why.

[BlackStar]

Almost didn't say if he did 2 swaps.

... So you didn't read the posts from today at all?

[BlackStar]

My target was BlackStar.
SLOW THE FUCK DOWN PEOPLE.

You said I showed up as not Mafia? Well now I'm like 95% sure that you're lying about your role because my modifier makes me show up as "not werewolf". Why would it say not Mafia when you "investigated"?

[BlackStar]

I don't know how you could see that as a Mafia claim. I'm talking about my modifier

[BlackStar]

BlackStar could indeed be mafia, no reason you can't have a mafia busdriver.
Need Ranger's result!

If you just said that I'm not Mafia, why are you saying that I might be Mafia now? Seems like you saw an opportunity provided by RC's post and you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole.

[BlackStar]

*taps foot impatiently waiting for Ranger*

PMed mod to find out if Firebringer could have multikilled alone or if there is another WW alive.

I don't know how you could see that as a Mafia claim. I'm talking about my modifier

Because you don't seem to believe that he invested you as not mafia.

I didn't know that cops only saw stuff as Mafia or not Mafia. I had it confused with FBI agent

[BlackStar]

That's a slip, IMO (BS's reaction). But need Ranger's action.

Dude, nobody would make a slip that dumb. You're just trying to reverse attention away from yourself because you're scum and you don't want to be lynched. So I didn't know the difference between a cop and fbi. Big whoop.

[BlackStar]

Can we not get carried away until

Both bus drivers should claim the timestamps that they sent their role PMs in so we know what actually happened.

10:06 am

[BlackStar]

VOTE: radiantcowbells

[BlackStar]

Persivul is obviously town

[BlackStar]

You're OMGUSing somebody who is town just because he's annoying you. That's scummy as hell

[BlackStar]

Why do you keep saying that survivors don't count as scum? If the town is outnumbered by werewolves or Mafia or whatever, survivors will side with the evil guys over the town. How is that not scummy?

[BlackStar]

You do have something of a point.

But Black has been so ungodly scummy today that I don't really see myself changing my vote.

I liked the part where you explained how I've been "ungodly scummy" today. Oh wait... You didn't. You're doing the same thing that you did with Frozen Angel: as soon as the attention shifts to someone and they're under suspicion you act like they're definitely scum. Remember all the "OMG are you scum, FA? You are, aren't you! I'm sure of it!" posts you made on d2? Remember how wrong you were? Well it's happening again -_- I don't know why Ranger said that I visited Lane but I know that I sure as hell didn't.

[BlackStar]

RC + Ranger: This would be a classic. I need someone to refute this one analytically.

The only way I can be scum if Persivul isn't is if I'm a mafia coroner, as I was confirmed by Persivul to target lane.

So there's your analysis right there.

Same goes for the dave+me one.

BTW, my tracking ability tells me that Ranger targeted lane, not that she visited lane.

Tomato, tomato. What role in THIS SETUP can target a player already dead other than Coroner?

I also believe that the correct move is to lynch BlackStar, who looks in 1652 to have basically given up.

That's not me giving up. You would know because I would literally say "whatever, I don't even care anymore".

WAIT. How DO we know BS IS a bus driver to begin with? And if he is, how do we know his stated switches to be true?

UNVOTE: Ranger

Don't you remember all the confusion when I first claimed bus driver? We got the mod to answer the question of who's actions go through first if there's a bus driver. If you look back at his posts he writes as if there definitely are 2 bus drivers not as if there might be 2 bus drivers.

[BlackStar]

it would have been very easy to name a single person and I think most of us would have been happy with the clarity and lynched them.

Actually; that would've been a slip.

We know for a fact Smither/Fireball had the gravedigger modifier on them.

She could've fell back on "that goes without saying" though.

Oh fuck I forgot about that. That helps a lot! That means it's either Blackstar is scum who killed lane, or Ranger is scum who's framing Blackstar, and as I last thought the bus driving doesn't really matter.

It's the latter of those two options, but I don't really know how to prove it. It looks like Ranger really did visit lane, but I never visited him so Ranger is just throwing me under the bus.

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ranger
Let's vote for someone who's actually scummy. I voted for both the survivors on the previous days, I bus drove Persivul and Almost on the previous nights and saved them. I don't know what else I have to do to prove that I'm town.

[BlackStar]

That's fine. I'm pretty sure she is Mafia.

[BlackStar]

You keep saying I'm so scummy but you haven't said why you think I'm scummy.

[BlackStar]

Yes -_-

[BlackStar]

Once again stop yelling that I'm scum and explain why you think that.

[BlackStar]

I think you're scum because it doesn't make any sense that everyone is taking your side here.

That's the shittiest reason I've ever heard.

[BlackStar]

I'm probably the youngest

[BlackStar]

I'm 18

[BlackStar]

Lol at changing it to blackjack just because your own rule didn't favor you anymore

[BlackStar]

I think we've won this

[BlackStar]

Almost, who'd you switch? I switched myself and Persivul

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Davesaz

[BlackStar]

You told us what?

[BlackStar]

You kept saying I was an obvious lynch but you never said why. Why should anyone listen to you?

[BlackStar]

I don't think that's good enough haha

[BlackStar]

Finally, you actually give a valid point. But I don't have any "partners" because I'm town. As for the coroner thing, is it possible that what Ranger said was a mistake because of all the bus driving?

[BlackStar]

I'm not scum, so I don't know what to tell you

[BlackStar]

Lol alright. It's been fun, but I know there's no way out of this. I was the lone Mafia. Honestly, I never expected to survive this long and I'm proud at how well I did so I don't mind getting lynched now. It wasn't bad at all considering that I've never been scum before. I just want everyone to know that I actually told the truth about pretty much everything (except me being Mafia). I just wanted to mess with RC a little bit more before I died. Oh yeah, there's a chance that one of you is a werewolf and just didn't kill anyone last night. I thought the town would want to know that. Seeya

[BlackStar]

vote:BlackStar

The ONE question I have now though is WHY ON EARTH did you not switch Ranger? Are you even REALLY a Bus Driver?

Because I was pretty sure I was going to die and I wanted as more concerned with self preservation. Switching you and jackal made you think that I was trying to save you when in reality I wanted the vig to shoot jackal so that the kill would redirect to you. Plus you believed me so easily when I just made one posts aging that Ranger was lying. I left the forum for like 40 minutes and when I came back you and Persivul had somehow come to the conclusion that you could trust me. I was surprised, but happy to go along with it.

[BlackStar]

Ignore that first sentence. I erased my original post but forgot to get rid of that sentence.

[BlackStar]

I mean c'mon you must at least agree that calling me a 'hindrance to town' when I'm trying to lynch scum and he's trying to lynch town is both uncalled for and frankly wrong.

I can see what the town meant though. You were just yelling that I was bad without trying to prove it. And in actuality, the scum slips and scum claims that you mentioned weren't actual scum slips or scum claims. So even though you were right about me being scum, your reasons for thinking it were wrong. I actually made a few mistakes that nobody ever picked up on.

[BlackStar]

well there was that part where the cop said that I showed up as not Mafia, but because of the bus driving he had visited Persivul and not me. Persivul asked why I thought the reading was for me and not him and I never answered him. Also, I was a hypocrite the entire game. I called out Dave for lurking and then right after that I started to do it. I got Wednesday lynched for saying things without explaining the reason for it and then I voted a few people without really giving reasons. When Persivul asked about my draws, I changed everything that said Mafia to Town and then he thought I was giving the combinations instead of draw cards. I never tried to fix it and give him what he asked. There were a few other mistakes, but I can't remember them.

[BlackStar]

Thanks haha

[BlackStar]

My target RC (redirect to BlackStar?) result mafia.

VOTE: BlackStar

I did call that reaction (what do you mean not mafia when my modifier affects seers) a scum slip and it would have caused me to vote you instead of Ranger, if the hammer hadn't fallen the wrong way already.

That wasn't a scum slip though. I investigate as not werewolf to FBI agents, so when you said I showed up as not Mafia I confused cops with FBI agents. That's not a slip at all.

[BlackStar]

A scum slip is when you reveal info that you wouldn't know unless you're scum. It's also when you accidentally reveal your role. I did neither of those. I forgot about the redirect. That's not sensitivity. If you hadn't been redirected and you'd said that I showed up as not Mafia, then I'd be catching you in a lie because it should've said not werewolf. That's what I thought was happening.