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I'm glad you're noticing ankIn post 4938, Ankamius wrote:I'm glad you're doing your utmost to help the situation a50
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In no particular order: kuribo, davesaz. FLIn post 4941, Gammagooey wrote:@Almost- same question and also can you remind me why you're personally voting DV right now? I kind of want to go back to voting him but I've lost track of your specific reasons for being on him in the vast posting wasteland
I am voting DV because I decided I'd be kuribo's proxy vote for the day. kuribo is voteless, and I have come to a point I could/would vote certain slots out of spite rather than for an actual scum case. I tried to fight it and gradually became apathetic, so I decided to give my vote to kuribo to use it for today.
Note: There are other reasons to my apathy, such as other games. In the Open Setup they flipped 2 scums and then failed to nail the third and are lynching my TRs instead. In the Normal I can't offer much help to my team representative because I can't keep up with all the noise. In the mini-theme jjh was the N1 kill. Also jjh took a break since he was NK'd and has yet to return, so all this plus how I'm hating certain slots in our game contributed to my apathy.
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Who is umds???In post 4947, MariaR wrote:A50 because he's just casting judgment from some sort of high ground for no reason.
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Damn! And there was I plotting to take out my hood partners and then silence the NK target so they can't say my name in the hereafter!In post 4955, Sir Elton Hercules John wrote:Onemorenote:
Oncesomeonebecomesthelastpersonstandingintheirgroup,theyreceivetheLMSabilityandthegroupabilitybecomesnull(becausethereisnolongeragroup,asthey've"won"therole).
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VOTE: nom
I think this is correct. If nom is Town she can Vengekill whomever she sees fit. If she's scum then we have no say on whom she kills anyway.
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>I< have been an asshole to Ank?? Is it me who keeps calling her scum for absolutely no reason? Is it me who has a hard on to go against logic and always say/do the wrong thing at the wrong time?In post 5122, Ankamius wrote:you've been an asshole to Ank
And I don't care what chenn said. chenn isn't exactly a player I'd sheep, dead or alive.
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Oh, and @EC: Your reads suck (aside from your change of heart about me). FL is TOWN, and Maria looks like Scum to me now. I am not pursuing the case on Maria because I know I always find a way to SR her, just like your Ank will always find a way to SR me of late. I still didn't fully get over that game with multiple hoods where Ank replaced in and decided to SR me just because, and even claimed she has a semi-perfect record if reading me, and then she NK'd and mastina tunneled me for it.
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My reason to vote nom is NOT that I SR her, because I don't. My reason is that she is Vengeful, and I think we need to make use of that extra -Town motivated- kill.In post 5127, kuribo wrote:I still don't want a nom lynch, I feel like I'm quacking in the wind on that one.
In a world were nom is Scum *not my current world); that's a good lynch (a lynch on Scum is always a good lynch).
However, in the world I'm in it still is good to lynch Town!nom and have her Vengekill a SR (I'd suggest someone in particular, but I don't want to affect nom's decision in case I'm wrong).
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In post 5145, nomnomnom wrote:If you really rely on me to make a good shot here you've lost your mind
Vengekill Maria. I will either be called a hero or a fool until the next TM is upon us. (If she flips Scum it was a JJD call. If she flips Town it was AP.)In post 5146, nomnomnom wrote:You know what
I think scums think they know where I would shoot, so they think it's safe to vote me.
Perhaps it changes how I view this whole game...
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UNVOTE:
Just to give both nom & kuribo their space to try and convince me/us otherwise.
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Someone doesn't even know how it works, but they insist they know how to play mafia and are trying to force their reads and views too.In post 5278, Ankamius wrote:I'm actually starting to regret requesting the roleblock on our neighborhood and abstaining from vote removing, because just putting the game at one less vote to lynch is something that would help us a lot right now while the game is this apathetic.
On another subject:
@nom: DO NOT EVEN THNIK about targeting kuribo. DON'T.
You know what? Take ME out. Give Ank the bloody Vig shot.. I don't care anymore. This game has already turned into a circus and I congratulate the scum team not only for winning here but for managing to win the whole tournament.
It all started with some idiot who thought it was cool to break the rules and use a trust tell in a bloody tournament game. That -well deserved- modkill turned the game into a night start, only with scum being more informed than they would have been had it really been a night start.
Then another idiot thought it was funny to kill the towniest player's motive by making them voteless. Then that idiot hoined forces with another idiot into making our hood PT totally useless by practicing their favourite hobby of calling me scum for lolz.
And here we are.
So, Idon't want us to win this now. At least it guarantees Chenn and -likely- Ank not winning.really
P.S. Right now the only reason I don't want Ank lynched is because I TR what EC says through her.
So, yeah, non should be the lynch to make our resident genius Ankamius feel better, and nom should vengekill me to further help Ank lead us todemisevictory. It also gives her a Vig shot to kill another townie, which would be a remarkable achievement if she really is town. She would have single handedly lead us off the cliff, and my money is she won't even apologize for it post-game. Instead, she will call me, kuribo, and probably DL bad players.
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VOTE: MariaIn post 5285, Flavor Leaf wrote:Maria is my top scum read and I feel I’ve been very vocal about that
Now put your vote where your mouth is and commit to it.
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Get it bloody resurrected and I'll support it. Everybody's "asking" why not this or that, but nobody's actually taking the initiative to vote someone other than nom.In post 5312, MariaR wrote:Tell me, what happened to the wagon on DEB that magically went away?
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GDI, Maria. You're making it damn too hard for me to SR you for real this game.
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Like, ig you are scum, WELL BLOODY DONE
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Well, I should've p-edited, but whatever. I saw Ank voting Maria while I was submitting the previous post, and now I know I don't want to lynch Maria this game. (Hint: That was NOT why I unvoted, as I wasn't even aware Ank had voted her)
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Paint me shocked! Are you sure these areIn post 5386, Ankamius wrote:I was writing a long post going into why I had reads the way they are, but I decided not to post it. Instead I'm going to do it this way.
Ankamius
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And yes, I'm changing my mind on DEB, somewhat, solely because of his vote on nom today.
I don't think his lynch is at all useful to the game other than the exact same reasons that nom is a good lynch, that being that it relieves a source of tension from the game.yourreads??
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In post 5386, Ankamius wrote:I was writing a long post going into why I had reads the way they are, but I decided not to post it. Instead I'm going to do it this way.
Ankamius
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And yes, I'm changing my mind on DEB, somewhat, solely because of his vote on nom today.
I don't think his lynch is at all useful to the game other than the exact same reasons that nom is a good lynch, that being that it relieves a source of tension from the game.
In fact, let me try to understand something here.. if I may: You are "unsure" about DEB/kuribo/Maria, and your only confident SR is EP??
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There was a post on the middle of a page that got me thinking "this isn't Scum", and then one at the top of the next page that sealed it, iirc.In post 5498, MariaR wrote:
I legit blinked at my screen in shock for a good five seconds. I thought I was gonna have to deal with you vote parking me. What changed?In post 5485, Almost50 wrote:GDI, Maria. You're making it damn too hard for me to SR you for real this game.
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Like, ig you are scum, WELL BLOODY DONE
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And I strongly disagree. You see, let's say nom intends to vengekill Scum (let's say she either provides one strong SR or she has a poll of 4-5 players who have 3 Scums in them). Scum are NOT going to lynch nom, and will instead NK her.In post 5531, EspressoPatronum wrote:For what it's worth, I agree that nom giving her reads would be helpful.
Now let's assume she provides a pool of 4-5 players that contains 0-1 Scum in them. It's not only safe to lynch her, but is also safe NOT to NK her immediately and have her lynched in a day or two. It also guarantees they shoot elsewhere if her pool is of 1-2 townies.
So you see, whatever nom's reads are they will always provide SCUM with more data to work with deciding their next move.
Town!nom should keep her cards (what's left of them) close to her chest. Scum!nom isn't gonna tell us the truth anyway.
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Sorry! I somehow forgot what account I was on and thought I was JJD!In post 5696, Flavor Leaf wrote:Jingle says A50’s last post makes too much sense coming from the old monkey and wants to know if someone hacked his account
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In post 5700, davesaz wrote:Has it really been 20 hours since anyone posted?
Has anyone else abstained from their neighborhood vote? Important info. Could explain fb.
I obviously did, but our hood was RB'd anyway, so I didn't//don't think you were asking me/Ank.
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I can confirm what dave is saying, as I was in that game. However, I can't read DEB. I've seen him hyper-shitpost and I've seen him lurk more than that evil something from the opening line of MJ's Thriller, and I can't tell if it's AI tbh.In post 5703, Gammagooey wrote:you should know that literally no-one is going to deep-dive him in a 500 page game for you
why/in what way is he similar
DETAILS man
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Good catch! Good catch indeed!!In post 5708, EspressoPatronum wrote:In my massclaim, I said the lightning rod is X-shot. FL and I specifically talked about doing this in our hood to make it seem stronger + thus more of a threat to scum.
So, @Ank, how did you know it was a 1-shotIn post 4098, EspressoPatronum wrote:MASSCLAIM:
Hood: Leading Actors
Members: EP, FL, X Elements
Power: Doctor
LMS: X-shot lightning rodbeforeanyone in the thread mentioned it?
In post 4132, Ankamius wrote:RED ALERT
Please finish the massclaim:
Almost50 - Ankamius - Chennisden- Vote Remove / Vigilante
Elements - EspressoPatronum - Flavor Leaf- Doctor / 1shot Lightning Rod
Firebringer - nomnomnom - Volpe14- Commuter / Vengeful
Kuribo - MariaR - Panthaleon- Roleblocker / ???
Dr Easy Bake - Gammagooey - Volxen- ??? / ???
Davesaz - Deasvail - Farkran- Inventor / ???
Basically everything is out already so there's no reason to just leave the rest unclaimed
(this message from EC)
The problem is this has like 1163 different explanations!
Like, Scum!Ank slipped? She either knew it from you (EP) or from FL... OR made a logical deduction (how many shots does a Lightening Rod usually get anyway??), or it was mentioned in the Scum PT with NEITHER FL/EP being Scum, or it was her skimming and not paying much attention... etc.
Town!Ank ALSO could've skimmed and made that assumption, or could have deduced it. She obviously would not have learned about it from either of FL/EP nor would she have read in the Scum PT, but she could also be making a WRONG assumption and you really are X shot (where X > 1, which is unlikely but theoretically valid).
Oh, wait! It could have been from her TEAM PT (and it still could be Town or Scum).
I'll spare you what the other 1153 explanations are for now (saving some space and time), but to sum it all up.. this is NAI. (Note: NAI as IT COULD BE TRUE IR IT COULD BE FALSE).
My question here is: WHAT DO SCUM GAIN FROM A LIGHTNING ROD ABILITY?? Do they want to redirect the kill unto themselves?? If so, WHY THE HELL DID THEY SABOTAGE THE COMMUTER HOOD BEFOREHAND? It was their ONLY way to survive without being sus as hell. (Note: FL declared he won't be using the ability and it does look bad on him of he doesn't die either way).
Still, I don't think the designers decided to factor in precisely THAT, and thus still think EP/FL are both Town, hence Ank could not have learned about the 1-shot thing from either, and thus it still is bloody NAI in my book.
P.S. I could very much bend my narrative ANYWAY you like me to. I mean, Yes.. Ank is Scum with FL and you can reread the whole game and find a load of fitting evidence. Or you can assume Ank is Town and EP is Scum trying to capitalize on an honest mistake and you still could find enough evidence to support the case too.
Now another question: Why would Scum want to give ME the Vig shot?? I don't think ANYONE would be able to guess whom I might shoot (not even I tbh) at this point.
So, you see.. this -and more- is all going through my head, and I don't know what to do!
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I got to the bottom of page 241 so far, and I'm astonished as to how often "my" Vig shot has been brought up (and with directions too. AWESOME).
This is bad because:
A) It's assuming Ank is already today's lynch
And more importantly
B) That I am going to listen to any of you.
The fact is I am most likely NOT going to use the Vig shot at all. Why? Because I don't want to shoot a TOWNIE and thus be directly responsible for putting is in an even worse situation.
Come to think of it,I knowI'm not shooting anyone if Ank flips Town. I am still undecided if she flips Scum though, but I still don't think she is, which is why I'm not voting there.
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@kuribo: You do realize that you're one of the few slots that are keeping me sane still. Now why would I want to shoot you over just about anyone else? I mean, I appreciate the authorization, but I'm afraid I'd have to decline.
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You killed all three of them???In post 6079, Firebringer wrote:
I’ve silenced my team because mafia isn’t healthy for any of them.In post 6072, Ankamius wrote:FB what are your team's reads atm
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skitter is not going to read this any time soon, I'm afraid. She has her own game and it looks like they're stuck too. Well, at least they did have a scum flip.
It's jjh that I'm hoping will find the time to read some. Amrun said she would but then I heard nothing from her on the PT either. Maybe if you as specificprecisequestions, but I make no promises.
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@Ank: Aside from the VCA comment I just posted in the hood, I see a whole lot of illogical assumptions in your 6175/6176, so let me ask you for some explanations:
1- Why would Scum dave try to give chenn an invention twice in a row?
2- Why would Scum kuribo block the invention twice in a row?
P.S. Note that it was Maria who suggested targeting dave, so no it wasn't planned beforehand
In fact, it would have been even more helpful if we could learn which happened first, but discussing timestamps isn't allowed.
3- Did the scum also foresee Elements was going to use a trust tell??
4- If the answer to #3 is no (as it should be), do you think a team that has kuribo, FL & dave in it came into the game without a plan? Do you really think they played "as it may"??
5- Why would Scum nom commute you at all, let alone twice (or was it thrice?)
6- When was the last time you saw FL explicitly defending a Scum p?? Like, I could buy FL Scum with MARIA (FoSing but not really pushing her), but FL defence of nom is just not him defending a Scum p.
7- this has been brought up before, but why would Scum kuribo complain about Element's trust tell in public rather than report it in secret?
I may have more upon a reread, but that's about what I do have right now
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Unfortunately, I don't have a solve. Not even close. All I know is Ank's proposed solve (FL/kuribo/dave/nom) + EP are my top 5 TOWN reads. I also know lynching FB is mechanically safe since nom already got the LMS (that's the one reason not to lynch in a hood with only 2 players remaining), and that DEB is doing jack shit I don't even care if he is Town. I also get scum vibes from Panth (although skitter was of the opinion Korina was Town before he replaced out, but she hasn't read Panth). Maria I am having a hard time SRing. She sounds genuine, although I still question the decision to block dave and I disliked the reason why she did it a second time. Finally, I don't see Ank as Scum here. I think this just her living in another universe. I have no idea how EC is reading the game, but I also saw him having an off game before.In post 6240, Flavor Leaf wrote:A50, what are your reads looking like?
If I was you I'd turn to Jingle for the best mechanical action(s) to take here.
Note: I did notice the mutual defense of Ank, but I also did defend her. The proposed "slip" just isn't a slip any more than yours is. Like, a scum slip -in my book- is something like what Ceph did in that game, knowing what role his p had when roles didn't show in the flip, or as BEF once did posting in the main thread what was supposed to be a post for the Scum PT (and it was clear enough, not the kind of slip EP proposes you committed).
You know what? You go find me an incident in a recent game of yours (under ANY of your accounts) that you used the comma instead of typing "or" just to put EP's suspicions to rest for good.
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In post 6241, Gammagooey wrote:look at this post from Maria
it's a GOOD post
everyone should make posts like this post
Interactions vote pushes etc. I don’t think you/Ank are SvS.In post 6052, EspressoPatronum wrote:@MariaR why does an Ank scum flip make me town and FL scum?
See, this is the kind of stuff that makes me take 2 steps back from my read on you. Because it’s clear you’re a smart guy EP, yet the conclusions you come to are... what? The ‘slip’ in question isn’t even a slip. Because I was already voting Ank so I can’t move the vote. You were already voting Ank too, so it doesn’t make any sense? Plus, I think you’re the only one who believes this theory when you have others telling you to drop it.In post 6052, EspressoPatronum wrote:Gobble suggests we lynch MariaR or lynch nom+venge MariaR to test it. A MariaR scum flip strongly suggests FL is scum.
When Ank finally starts getting real pressure you unvote and turn this ‘slip’ into a big deal. Do you see where I run into an issue with all this?
@gooey: There. I made one exactly like Maria's. How you like me now?
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OK. So EP saw it wasn't a slip and that you did it before in the hood.
Now I'm back to wanting to lynch nom (and again I TOWN READ HER) but it should bring the whole Town to a much closer status to unity, plus it gives her (a TOWNIE) the chance to aim for Scum.
@Ank: EC says to lynch nom today, but you're adamant to go against that and suggest we lynch her when there's only 1 scum left. I don't follow. Are you playing your own game or are you trusting EC? It's one or the other.
P-edit: Fine. So that should put that issue to rest.
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I don't really care whom she shoots, as I don't have access to the mod PT. My point is nom would do what she thinks is right. Now if she is Scum that's a scum lynch that should give us plenty of associative too, so it's all good.In post 6261, Firebringer wrote:almost50 the chances nom shoots who u want (mariar) feels very low.
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1- Do we know it was an investigative ability??In post 6271, Ankamius wrote:it's an investigative that scum can't control. That's reason enough.
2- Assuming we did, why not give it to one of their own? Even better, why not give it to the NK since it's a wasted shot anyway?
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Then you don't know these 3, and specifically FL. I've been Scum with him, and I've modded Scum him, and I know he does plan ahead. I can't be as confident about dave (I've never been scum with him nor have I modded him as Scum) but he's an analytical player, so I would very much expect him to plan ahead too. As for kuribo, I think this is my 2nd (maybe 3rd) game with him, so he's the least know character to me of the 3, but he's old school. 'nough said.In post 6271, Ankamius wrote:4 - I would think a lot of scumteams would play that way, at least focusing more on setting future things up more than actually enacting a specific plan. Surviving is the most important thing, and with the amount of chaos that is already starting to blow up throughout day one, it really doesn't take a whole lot more than indulging in the chaos without acknowledging each other as potential scum to maybe swing the lynch towards scum, since that kind of thing is very hard to accurately parse even when most slots are flipped later in the game.
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What do you mean she had no other options? What about Maria (for another option)?In post 6271, Ankamius wrote:5 - As far as I know, Volpe was the biggest contributor to commuting me while he was alive. As for night 3, I don't know. The best I have is that it's an easy excuse to look town due to how I played day 3 and my sudden townread of her, combined with the fact that there's no other options that really stand out. Commuting me just makes sense from both alignments.
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Are you reading this game or are you just meme'ing?In post 6280, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Can someone remind me why we’re not lynching nom anymore? And it seems like people were pivoting to my biggest townread and have now backed off? I feel like I’m gettingwhiplash.Not my tempo!
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On her own I might have seen it, but with EC's input that's not feasible to me.In post 6320, Flavor Leaf wrote:I fail to see how people don’t see Ankamius as scum here.
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In post 6452, Ankamius wrote:Am I the only one creeped out by those 3 suddenly showing up when they did
GDI, Ank! You proposed Scum team was kuribo/FL/nom + "possibly" dave, and now Panth/gooey (+dave) poppomg up creeps you out?? YouIn post 6454, Ankamius wrote:You dave gammadunno what you're doing or saying, and if you are Town you are the main reason the game got to this weird status.obviously
VOTE: Ank
I've had it with you confident solves that change every 48 hours (on average).
As I said, of Ank flips Town I am NOT going to shoot anyone. If she flips Scum I amstill considering my options.
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See? THAT is the problem with most players nowadays. You should know better than to "feel" rather than "calculate" (with you being an older generation player).In post 6477, Gammagooey wrote:I admittedly haven't done the math on shooting anyone but it just feels like..
When I play this game I try to usemy brainmuch more than "my heart & gut".
Assuming 4 Scums (worst case scenario) we are 8-4 now, and with a mislynch (Ank flipping Town) we'd enter the night as 7-4. Now Scum are going to kill someone, so it's basically MyLo tomorrow. Tell me why I should make it LyLo instead.
Now assume 3 Scums,, so we are 9-3. A mislynch brings it down to 8-3 and with a Scum NK it'd be 7-3. Lynch nom, she flips green and her shot lands on another Townie, and we would be at 5-3 going into the next night, meaning it's LyLo the day after tomorrow. Now -again- explain to me why I should make the game end in that night instead with a bad Vig shot.
So, if we do lynch Ank and she flips Town the best thing to do is sit on my Vig shot. I either eat a bullet at night (and then won't care much what people decide to do) or I am alive still and the Vig shot isn't going anywhere (i.e. I may decide to actually take the risk and shoot someone the next night).
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For the bolded, you may want to have a discussion with mastina about the whole principle post-game.In post 6479, EspressoPatronum wrote:@A50 -I really don't see why town with a vig shot won't shoot someone.Why does Ank's flip impact your decision?
For the underlined, because we have yet to have a single Scum flip, so I can't tell who's Scum and who's "scummy Town".
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You may want to search for "nom" all through my ISO, as it started on D1 (skitter tip) and then grew stronger as time went by.In post 6500, Gammagooey wrote:aaaaaaaalso while we're on the subject why are you town reading nom? you've mentioned it a lot recently but I don't see the actual reason why you townread her (at least in the 2nd page of your iso)
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Um.. erm.. so if I vote Panth I have to declare VLA?? OK, can I VLA for the next 10 minutes??
@gooey: Well, you managed to shake my read on nom by just a little. Now I dunno if I want to vote her or not tbh. I mean, I do.. as I want her to be able to use her venge shot, but dave/kuribo/FL are all against it.
I think I'll wait and see how things develop in the next few hours. I'll vote nom if it's needed for a lynch to go through.
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For now, let me tinfoil (everybody's doing it, so why not me?)
Ank is Scum with nom. Ank wants nom lynched to use her Venge AND to earn a better status at the game. Ank doesn't want to get lynched herself, not because she has a more valuable role, but because her flip will make nom virtually unlynchable and thus scum lose an extra kill.
@DEB: Asl Titus to have a look at this post and let me know if I'm close.
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This coming from someone who hasn't been doing jack shit is amazing!In post 6559, panthaleon wrote:This game had been a shameful display of incomprehensibly poor and anti town play. Whoever you town folks are, I am disappointed.
Hint: If you're too lazy to play, and the game is not fun for you, the very least you can do is SHUT UP and not complain people aren't changing your diapers for you.
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DEB/Ank/PanthIn post 6583, EspressoPatronum wrote:A guy I used to play with often took a list of everyone's reads to see who floated to the top.
If everyone could humour me for a bit, can you please fill in your top 3 scumreads? It doesn't necessarily have to be a 3-team solve... just 3 ppl who you scumread independently.
Today's tinfoil: EP is Scum collecting reads to decide on the NK.
Join us next week in a new tinfoil fresh out of the monkey's ass.
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Maria is in the movie?? I should book my ticket to the premier already.In post 6600, Flavor Leaf wrote:filming on a big movie set all weekend, currently simulated gunfire in a big expensive shot, but Maria is clearly scum
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No. I think DEB is, but no one's voting him now and every time someone did the wagon froze.In post 6605, Gammagooey wrote:Hey Almost50, do you genuinely think Ank is the most likely person here to be scum?
I think Ank has a good chance to flip red though, because I don't recall her being so flip floppy as Town. She's usually too hard headed (although she's also usually wrong), but here she has literally FoS'd everyone still alive and 7 of those were done over 2 pages of the game, so I think she's trying to create a smoke screen for when she does flip so we can't easily link her to her buddy.
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VOTE: DEB
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Impressive! *Slow clapping*
I'll wait for people to out their votes/actions last night though. We obviously didn't vote to silence anyone.
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I like to obv!Scum in time for you to catch me.
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I'll be back in another 12 hours or so. I hope that's enough time for people to out who as made Loved, who was RB'd & for dave to out his actions/results.
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Meh, it doesn't matter either way, because even if you didn't,, where else would you have aimed? Your ability only works on HOODS. Correct? You can't -say- RB FB or dave now. Am I correct?In post 6736, kuribo wrote:In post 6732, Almost50 wrote:Impressive! *Slow clapping*
I'll wait for people to out their votes/actions last night though. We obviously didn't vote to silence anyone.
Wouldn't have mattered if you had, I again voted to block your ability (Ank's to be specific) and I told panth so. He agreed that he would be voting Ank as well.
I told y'all two days ago neither of you would be able to use that ability again and I meant it.
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VOTE: daveIn post 6738, davesaz wrote:
Not gonna happen. When I have info to give town, that will be the time.In post 6727, EspressoPatronum wrote:@dave you need to reveal your JOAT results today
Voting one of my of my top TRs feels weird even to me, but you're not playing the game on your own. We need the info to make logical deductions and you're not helping.
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Ank "may" have had a point in Maria RBing your invention to explain why it never was given out.
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nom (TMVP so far btw) had her shot land on Maria out of nowhere. Scum's worst case scenario was for her to venge DEB still (which would have been better than straight up lynching DEB). If you and AnK are both Town those were her 2nd most likely shots.In post 6743, Flavor Leaf wrote:And for DEB to be scum, you have to believe essentially scum sacrificed Maria to save DEB. I know that’s not the full story, but I find it hard to believe scum save DEB and let Nomnom have a chance at shooting them.
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I also find it pretty amusing Scum didn't shoot in FL/EP! If both were Town then one is already dead last night and the other is dead the next night. regardless of whether they used the Lightning Rod. Either way they get rid of the Doctors and have an open filed to play in.In post 6744, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think scum have to mislynch one of DEB/Gamma or this game’s done for them. EP and I are pretty much masons at this point, DEB is spewed town because of Maria scum, Gamma just got doc’d.
However, with one Scum in FL/EP Scum have only one target to shoot there, and then the Scum "Doctor" not using the Lightning Rod would have been a Scum claim.
Don't forget the Commuters are dissolved, so the Doctors are totally unprotected. Now what Scum passes on that and aims for gooey (where there is a chance he was protected) or dave (where there is a chance he commuted)??
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So is taking the info to the grave with you, DAMN IT!In post 6747, davesaz wrote:Revealing my info is helpful only to scum. This is not open for debate.
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The No Kill wasn't meant to conf!Town anyone. At least that was not the primary motive. The main reason would be to keep the numbers at EVENS.In post 6752, davesaz wrote:That definition of conf is a lot looser than the one I use.
In a high stakes game like this one, deliberate no-kill to get "conf" is a tactic that should remain among the possible.
I'd be willing to call it likely town.
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Btw, #3 makes non sense to me at all. Why would Scum FL lie about whom he targeted and still no kill? What does he gain from the two combined?In post 6753, EspressoPatronum wrote:In the interest of maintaining complete transparency, it conf!towns Gamma in all but a few niche scenarios. I outlined a few of those scenarios in 6726.
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Maria fought the DEB lynch tooth and nail, so that is still my preferred lynch for today. JFTRIn post 6757, EspressoPatronum wrote:Maria + Dave as scum would also lend itself to the theory of 1 scum in the RB and 1 scum in the inventor hoods. I originally thought it was DV, but dave makes sense, too.
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OK, but my question still stands (my "other" question): WHAT SCUM shoots in gooey/dave and passes on a 100% guaranteed to succeed kill on you/FL which will ALSO get them rid of the Doctor ability for good?
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