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I told her this is the post where I explain why I don’t like math this game
And told her to read his ISO from here:
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And she came back about half an hour later or something to say (paraphrased) “yes, this looks like math scum to me, I endorse his elim”"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I’m not sure any of my team are gonna read the entire game, it’s more like I’m asking them to check on whether I’m confbiased at certain points or what they think we should do strategy wise after new info (hence lld’s points on maintaining a degree of suspicion on joqiza if we flip 3 town in a row now, or on always flipping shirou first if we go for his autowin plan)"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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not reallyIn post 4257, Shirou wrote:Also, doesn't a Lilith/Shirou scumteam makes super sense?
shirou/chenn or shirou/AL makes much more sense"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I will seriously consider thisIn post 4247, Shirou wrote:If everyone unanimously agree to:
1) Not say a single word in D3/D4 and just place their votes
2) ignore anyone that doesn't place the correct votes in D3/D4 and continuously only say/quote "vote correctly" as a reply to every post someone out of the voting block makes. No discussion whatsoever."we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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why doesn't Johnny call his most townread partner obvtown?In post 4269, Shirou wrote:I reconsidered with how Johnny insisted on DK being obvtown"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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yeh but trying to use more words made the meme less funny soIn post 4268, Shirou wrote:it's not really PoE,"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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why is that bold? at the time when he was saying it Koba was a UTR for basically everyoneIn post 4272, Shirou wrote:
I don't think that's the kind of bold play scum!Johnny does. If it was another player I could see it more easily.In post 4270, Menalque wrote:
why doesn't Johnny call his most townread partner obvtown?In post 4269, Shirou wrote:I reconsidered with how Johnny insisted on DK being obvtown
Johnny which seemed to want to be low-key/under the radar?
No, I don't think so, DK didn't really need that extra defense.
it's not bold to just sheep thread consensus esp. when that just further secures your buddy/avoids you standing out from the crowd
and then at EoD he was making a lot of effort to WIFOM his slot's relationship with, specifically, my slot and math!slot"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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because I still think the two most obviously correct elims today are (AL, math) and your positioning today is strongly avoiding that
which is not to say this can't be town!you reaching a divergent conclusion. but it's not helping me feel good about you, especially given your reversal on math!slot and that you don't seem as eager to lay down your life for you mech!win plan as you claimed to be yesterday"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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he was?In post 4276, Shirou wrote:
If you're town why do you think he wasn't trying to misassociate himself with town!Math as well?In post 4274, Menalque wrote:and then at EoD he was making a lot of effort to WIFOM his slot's relationship with, specifically, my slot and math!slot"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I would still prefer to do shirou->auro->flopz if we do the BoP on shirou thing
I am considering the proposition to do auro->shirou->flopz if shirou swears up and down today that they are scumclaiming tomorrow if they don’t self-vote after being wrong on auro
I want them to affirm this utterly so that if we do auro and game doesn’t end, even if shirou wins a 1v1 with me tomorrow (which is what shirou will be forced to do tomorrow if scum after swearing that btw) there is an infinitesimally small chance that they live the day after winning a 1v1 with me and basically 0 chance that they live to lylo
I also want, before doing this, for lilith and joqiza to promise me that in any event that auro flips town, that they vote shirou tomorrow, but beyond that — that if they get talked round, if I ever get flipped then shirou dies the next day, no exceptions, even if it ~feels wrong~ or they don’t think he’s scum"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Shirou, i want a post which doesn’t have anything in it other than “if I’m wrong on auro and I don’t self-vote on D3 or I otherwise resist my elim in any way, shape, or form, I am scumclaiming
If I try to shade mena for wanting me dead as I *promised* I would be okay with after auro!elim, I am scumclaiming
Do not listen to what I say on D3, listen to what I’m saying now on D2, I should be elimmed on D3”"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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And if auro flips town and you don’t vote shirou tomorrow then it’s a hard throw
I’m actually leaning shirou to be scum for the fact he felt the need to add a corollary but I’m hoping that if I force him to 1v1 me tomorrow then even if he wins that you won’t be able to ignore two slots in a row dying where the evidence will 100% be shirou!scum"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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YesIn post 4440, chennisden wrote:
yes we three way bussed at the beginning and middle of d1In post 4435, Menalque wrote:I strongly predict that (shirou, chenn) is the exact team and it makes a lot of sense with the way that shirou entered and made a big deal of being good at reading chenn and then inserted him into the townbloc solve thing
This is entirely plausible and shirou has done similar shit before
In our very first game together he and another scumbuddy both fakeclaimed cop where the claim meant one had to be scum"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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This’ll be interesting to discuss laterIn post 4443, Autumn Leaves wrote:I'm still confident mena is scum
Anyway, blitz tournament, bye!"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I think that at least (joqiza, lili) are town who wouldn't throw if a deal like that has been doneIn post 4509, Autumn Leaves wrote:
I need mena to answer this too.In post 4443, Autumn Leaves wrote:@Mena What makes you confident we'll have enough support for the shirou elim? Even if I go along with it, and math and you will presumably vote there, and he'll self vote, but others didn't seem particularly interested in taking the deal"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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In post 3195, Autumn Leaves wrote:I really hate being miselimed, but I think joqiza/lilith/mena are obvtown enough that we should be able to find one more town and win. So I'm not gonna fight this too muchIn post 3777, Autumn Leaves wrote:Going over my scumgame with flopz, he'd had to have improved alotto be scum here. I've also been liking auro's posts lately, for most of this game he's been in his own lane and not really concerned about anyone else, in a way that feels genuine. Where I'm at now is something like
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Link to flopz scumgame, starting from where the memes stop viewtopic.php?p=12203352&user_select%5B ... #p12203352In post 4318, Autumn Leaves wrote:
I don't think this is clearing for you at all, in fact I think you're just saving our elims for later. Instead of re-evaluating the bloc, people like joqi will want to elim me/math already.In post 4289, Shirou wrote:I would like to hear more specifically Math/AL opinions on me, since I'm trying to hardblock your relatively very easy miseliminations if you're town.
I was very sure the team was mena/shirou and I was writing up a case, this day phase has made that less likely though, so I'll have to think about things.In post 4443, Autumn Leaves wrote:I'm not taking this deal, I have to reconsider my reads. Mena playing this way makes no sense if he's a shirou partner, and I'm still confident mena is scum. Auro doesn't look like scum at all to me, he looks like resigned town. Fighting your elim is hard and unpleasant, and I don't think auro is in the state of mind to want to do that.
Of course, it could still be lilith/shirou or something but idk. I'm gonna post the mena part of my case and talk to people.
@Mena What makes you confident we'll have enough support for the shirou elim? Even if I go along with it, and math and you will presumably vote there, and he'll self vote, but others didn't seem particularly interested in taking the deal.
I'm really looking forward to this one infinity!In post 4507, Autumn Leaves wrote:I don't want the day to end before I post my case on mena at least."we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Excellent question Lili!
Also, shirou, sorry, I’m really tired rn so I’m gonna eat and go to sleep, I don’t think this is just paranoia I think there’s some really concerning stuff about how you’ve played that we can get into tomorrow. I’ll also have another think about your posts just above once I’ve slept
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Chess played on a 5 minute timer, and thanks! (Only with irl friends tho, it wasn’t like a super strong group or ransoms etc)In post 4546, lilith2013 wrote:idk what that is but congrats"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Like I think math is a bad slot here but shirou’s play seems more scummy and it makes a lot more sense to me in terms of a “trying to win the game” agenda
Esp with infinity or chenn
And infinity still has associatives with johnny, still has the original reasons i was scumreading him, and most recently has this very lol progression on my slot which I think can be explained very easily by him having a scum wincon and feeling a need to
That *probably* means that there is scum in (shirou, auro, flopz) but it seems smarter and safer to just elim infinity today"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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This might be a persuasive argument but for one particular thingIn post 4559, Autumn Leaves wrote:Take a look at mena's read progressions today while I write my case.
That being; the reason you gave for reversing on me yesterday was the only reason that made sense for town!you to reverse on me imo— that you’d had a realisation about how who I am as a person meant I wouldn’t play that way, and that’s the reason you gave for reversing your read
If you’d gone “oh actually Mena is now playing v protown, I think I made a mistake” it would have seemed less persuasive I think, but it also wouldn’t have dug you into the hole you’re now in
The hole you’re now in being that, unless you think who I am as a person/your entire mental model of me as a player and what I would/wouldn’t do as either alignment has changed over night (and there’s nothing that’s happened that could plausibly have prompted that) it doesn’t make sense for you to go “oh, weird progressions, mena!scum!” here
Because my progressions or not or whatever had nothing to do with the APPARENTLY SUPER STRONG GIVEN THAT YOU SHIFTED FROM HARD SCUMREADING TO HARD TOWNREADING ME reasons that you gave yesterday
So your reversal here makes no sense unless you were lying about why you flipped your read on me in the first place"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I’ll think about this while I sleepIn post 4561, Shirou wrote:Just Auro, let's flip whoever majority wants today, including me, but let's do Auro tomorrow
In principle it’s a yes, but I want to add the condition that if auro is town then you’re the D4 elim but you get to choose the D5 elim — however, I kind of think you’re not gonna agree to that which means we’re gonna need to talk tomorrow (rl) but I think we need to do that anyway"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Okily dokily buddy!In post 4566, Autumn Leaves wrote:@Mena The reason I started scumreading you again isn't read progressions, I think it actually made a lot of sense to play the way you did as scum, I'll explain it in the case."we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Again, unless your fundamental view of me as a person has shifted overnight then you were either lying yesterday about your reasons for townreading me yesterday, or you’re making the claim that you have, in fact, shifted the fundamental way you view me as a person (this is basically your only option to argue btw!) but there’s nothing that’s really happened to support you claiming that such a shift has occurred sooooo
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