TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[Menalque]

VOTE: auro

[Menalque]

I reiterate again for those at the back: of the game doesn’t end with this and shirou tries in any way (even with that corollary he added) to resist his elim tomorrow, he’s scum

[Menalque]

That’s particularly @chennis @lili @joqiza

[Menalque]

And if auro flips town and you don’t vote shirou tomorrow then it’s a hard throw

I’m actually leaning shirou to be scum for the fact he felt the need to add a corollary but I’m hoping that if I force him to 1v1 me tomorrow then even if he wins that you won’t be able to ignore two slots in a row dying where the evidence will 100% be shirou!scum

[chennisden]

no

[Menalque]

What do you mean, no

[chennisden]

i will be the heel in the mud and refuse to let this go through until we sort everything out b/c i think this is a one way ticket to loseville if auro, by some magic spell, is town

[Menalque]

If this is the deal, anyone resisting it within the townbloc is also scum if there’s only one person resisting it

[chennisden]

i will be very disappointed if that is the case. but, as ive learned from my -1 years of life, disappointment is inevitable.

[chennisden]

If this is the deal, anyone resisting it within the townbloc is also scum if there’s only one person resisting it

w h a t

[Menalque]

I strongly predict that (shirou, chenn) is the exact team and it makes a lot of sense with the way that shirou entered and made a big deal of being good at reading chenn and then inserted him into the townbloc solve thing

[chennisden]

i generally prefer not to play with "x is scum if y is town because x was really really sure y is scum," because that isnt how mafia works

[Shirou]

It makes me sigh I had to go to this forceful route to make Auro happen, but I suppose that's what playing mafia is about...

Let's hope this will wrap it up, and no, this is not me trying to take it back or anything.

I...don't like to play dictator, it's just the more effective method quite often in games where there's little consensus of opinions...

p-edit: I understand what you're saying Chennis, but I don't think it's a loss, I think it's only a bit worse than waiting 2 ~ 6 weeks for a natural wagon on Auro. I can make that trade.

[chennisden]

I strongly predict that (shirou, chenn) is the exact team and it makes a lot of sense with the way that shirou entered and made a big deal of being good at reading chenn and then inserted him into the townbloc solve thing

i strongly predict ur clowning

[Menalque]

If you have a slot going “I will self vote tomorrow if I’m wrong” and then they don’t do that, you’re throwing if you don’t elim them

[chennisden]

I strongly predict that (shirou, chenn) is the exact team and it makes a lot of sense with the way that shirou entered and made a big deal of being good at reading chenn and then inserted him into the townbloc solve thing

yes we three way bussed at the beginning and middle of d1

[Menalque]

But there is a strong, strong scum incentive to try and avoid doing the thing you said you would do if scum

And likewise, a buddy has to support that

[chennisden]

If you have a slot going “I will self vote tomorrow if I’m wrong” and then they don’t do that, you’re throwing if you don’t elim them

birds of a feather

[Autumn Leaves]

I'm not taking this deal, I have to reconsider my reads. Mena playing this way makes no sense if he's a shirou partner, and I'm still confident mena is scum. Auro doesn't look like scum at all to me, he looks like resigned town. Fighting your elim is hard and unpleasant, and I don't think auro is in the state of mind to want to do that.

Of course, it could still be lilith/shirou or something but idk. I'm gonna post the mena part of my case and talk to people.

@Mena What makes you confident we'll have enough support for the shirou elim? Even if I go along with it, and math and you will presumably vote there, and he'll self vote, but others didn't seem particularly interested in taking the deal.

[Auro]

?
(Sorry Joqiza)

[Menalque]

I strongly predict that (shirou, chenn) is the exact team and it makes a lot of sense with the way that shirou entered and made a big deal of being good at reading chenn and then inserted him into the townbloc solve thing

yes we three way bussed at the beginning and middle of d1

Yes

This is entirely plausible and shirou has done similar shit before

In our very first game together he and another scumbuddy both fakeclaimed cop where the claim meant one had to be scum

[Menalque]

I'm still confident mena is scum

This’ll be interesting to discuss later

Anyway, blitz tournament, bye!

[Shirou]

I'm not taking this deal, I have to reconsider my reads.

Hmm...

This is disappointing.

[Shirou]

Let's see.

Now the rest of my hope goes into Joqi / Chennis both voting Auro.

Joqi we'll need to wait him to show up / read the thread on his own.

But what about you Chennis? It's not the most optimal but it's the most simple route. Vote with us.

[chennisden]

I strongly predict that (shirou, chenn) is the exact team and it makes a lot of sense with the way that shirou entered and made a big deal of being good at reading chenn and then inserted him into the townbloc solve thing

yes we three way bussed at the beginning and middle of d1

Yes

This is entirely plausible and shirou has done similar shit before

In our very first game together he and another scumbuddy both fakeclaimed cop where the claim meant one had to be scum

yes but I, CHENNISDEN, who plays scum pretty cautiously and doesn't really like doing insane things, decide to HARDBUS MY TEAMMATE, have my other teammate BUS ME, and instead of thriving on the misdirection caused by the super/koba/menalque/al situation, just push EACH OTHER TO DEATH when super could've died and we could've pinned the bus on one of our scummates AFTER the mislim went through instead of sacrificing our dear friend johnny for NOTHING