Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5
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i don't think black would lie to me on the internet so she's probably town-
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I'm reading from the beginning right now
has there been a mass claim / are there other claims-
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kyouko presumably has a good reason for not claiming yet?-
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the main reason I'm curious is that if kyouko's role is a nothing-role or otherwise very weak i think we can probably just say dragon is always town-
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JK + 6 VTs vs. 2 goons is a balanced newbie setup
adding an extra townie and a Lazy Vig probably doesn't impact the balance all that much?
but kyouko's role might impact that one way or another-
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I will say I briefly skimmed over Black vs. Drew in the last couple pages and my initial impression is that is a TvT
for some reason this kind of post does not really strike me as partnered alsoIn post 87, gob wrote:
Arent you just admitting you’re mafia here?In post 86, Doctor Drew wrote:
I will ask in our PT how he got there and get back to you.In post 85, Altaria wrote:
i mean he's right about me but i would like to see how he got thereIn post 84, Doctor Drew wrote:I feel like Dragon is a hot take sort of player
VOTE: Doctor Drew-
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In post 111, gob wrote: I;m not feeling this hu tao wagIn post 112, Hu Tao wrote:Why not?i think scum!gob is pretty prone to white-knight townies getting pressure as a strategy
I'm also town reading Hu Tao tonally so far-
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i feel like i have my primary scum read already and the rest of this is just academic but I'll finish reading before I say anything-
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the way dragon + gob interact early D1 i would find extremely unlikely to come from partners-
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like page 7 + 8 is just them being annoyed at each other and it's not really in a theatery way-
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are we also waiting for Dragon to claim who he targeted N2?-
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we need you buddyIn post 804, DragonEater70 wrote:
TownreadIn post 802, Black wrote: Yes. Did you target me because you townread me or did you think I was scum?
Still townreading you-
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How did kyouko become part of the town block-
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that's fine whatever I didn't want to be in the town block anyway i dont even care-
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because kyouko is the person I think is probably scum-
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I think you are probably town
Lazy Vig fits pretty remarkably well with a 10-person setup and I don't really think you'd think to fake claim that
I just generally town read your tone and the way you are playing
I think the way you were pretty happy to die after being revealed as the JK target was genuine
and I also think the correct play for scum as soon as the JK claim happened and scum was killed D1 was to intentionally no-kill, otherwise you risk guiltying yourself or creating innocents, and it wasn't very clear who Dragon was gonna target-
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I guess I think scum probably just takes the shot at dragon if they think there's a very low chance Dragon JKs them, in which case I think scum was someone who doesn't look the best in light of dragon's flip-
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The way kyouko has played around their claim feels very much like scum trying to make their claim seem more real by linking it to other roles
Your claim is already believable Black
What Kyouko does by linking her claim to yours is actually give *her* claim more credibility without actually promoting that directly-
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I'd like to wait for kyouko to claim and Dragon to out his target before I get too far in the weeds, that information might end up changing my mind-
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you can do what you want! I just kind of don't want to launch into a big wall case on anyone and then have to immediately back track if like kyouko's claim is confirmable and likely town or DK's target is super revealingIn post 989, Black wrote: Dann should I not go into this right now? You said you didn't want to go into your kyouko read and here I am like "hmmmmm"
I just think kyouko is:
1. the person who seems to be trying to endgame the most out of anyone left alive
2. a person who tried to derail the gob wagon end of day
3. someone who is playing around their own role/claim in a scummy/performative way
I town read altaria/Black and Dragon pretty strongly. I think Hu Tao and geraint are likely to be town
My most unsure town reads are probably celebloki and drew right now-
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I mean it's very possible I'm scum reading kyouko because she's a PR
I have a very bad habit of scum reading PR play
still would like to wait for dragon before I attempt to reevaluate or anything because I think there's a decent chance that if Dragon targeted a person other than Black then that person might be scum-
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but I think I might just be scum reading a PR for being a PR and it's just Drew-
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we can just no-elim tomorrow if there is one too...-
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because scum not killing twice in a row effectively gave us an extra elimination
it would be bad
i think scum would risk framing someone once, (and also to get info on who Dragon is targeting) but not twice
I think it's more likely scum wanted to get info on who Dragon targeted and then make a kill thinking it likely Dragon would target someone other than scum-
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like I agree we should get back on odds before elim-lo, that always improves our chances
but we don't have to do that today necessarily-
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1082 is the scummiest post i've read all game lol-
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In post 1082, Doctor Drew wrote:
I like how Black gets jailed, no prob.....I get jailed, must be scum.
This doesn't consider people's reads, the gamestate, or any other nuances. It's purely a salty take about being pushed and stinks of "caught for the wrong reasons."
I do kinda believe Dragons, I don't trust Black at all, Dann I feel worse if Black is town.
Dragons is essentially conf-town given the amount of power claimed, unless Kyouko's role is crazy powerful. "kinda believe Dragons" sounds very fake. Lining me up if Black flips town is also scummy.
Hu could be deep wolfing, but they are the only one making sense here(at least in regards to to me lol).
Drew needs A LOT of miselims in order to win this game so he needs to cast doubt on almost everybody. This sentence is overly qualified and just further emblematic of the fact that there are no actual reads portrayed in this post, just positioning.
Pre Edit: Black, wouldn't scum be more likely to fake a claim that 'makes sense'?
lol. why is drew trying to convince Black that Black is scum? This is also purely a WIFOM argument. It doesn't consider what the claim actually is or what type of sense it makes. It doesn't consider kyouko backing Black up with support of Black's claim, it's just shading Black for the sake of it.-
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@kyouko, does your role give you any inclination as to whether Dragon is likely to be town or not-
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Black is town Drew
If you’re town you need to be looking at other slots-
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probablyIn post 1112, Hu Tao wrote:
I'm sure this doesn't need to be asked now.In post 1109, Dannflor wrote: @kyouko, does your role give you any inclination as to whether Dragon is likely to be town or not
It’s just frustrating because in certain worlds the obvious answer is that Dragon is scum-
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I just realized Dragon is 2-shot which I think means kyouko has to be town-
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I'm also inclined to think Drew is scum here-
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In post 510, Hu Tao wrote: I started the gob quick wagon.-
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In post 403, DragonEater70 wrote: I think gob is scum.
I don't think Drew is scum, but if he is the gera does have some partner equity.
Anyway, VOTE: gobIn post 436, Celebloki wrote: UNVOTE:
I'm also okay with a gob wagon. He's also in my shortlist after my re-read and I'm inclined to give a PR claim a chance.
VOTE: gobhuh
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In post 397, Hu Tao wrote: I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.
ig it comes from thisIn post 430, Hu Tao wrote: I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon-
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I don’t think you’re mechanically scum drew-
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i hope this is correct and i didn't actually have to do anything this game-
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I am mostly just apprehensive because I think I'm setup to be the game winning mis-elimination for scum if this is wrong and the fact I didn't do anything this phase is something people can point to to dunk on me
I also don't have a great feeling about who else it would be atp
I know I said Drew but I've been kinda rethinking that
so anyway hope i just got carried!-
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I think dragon is probably town due to claim and black has just obv towned all over the place this game. I dont think she goes from super high WIM pushing Hu Tao to super low WIM today if scum, because she would be really close to winning today if scum-
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I think Drew’s reads have been super political since I entered the game. Black has been his purported strongest scum read since forever and now he’s shifting to me because he believes I’m an easier mis elim than Black today-
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Idk just track his reads on everyone throughout the game
He keeps reinforcing how he has paranoia on so many slots but very few town reads
Idk i just dont think he has a towny perspective on the game or has wanted to truly sort the gMe like ever
I feel bad i dismantled the fight between you two when i repped in because I thought the gane was harder than it is-
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Guess i probably should’ve interrogated his slot beyond the claim
Oh well-
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gg
sorry i did not give this game my fullest attention
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