Mini Normal 2325 | Game Over

[JacksonVirgo]

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, what he said

[JacksonVirgo]

dw dw I'll save everyone

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm just busy playing Fortnite.

Proof I'm catching up lel, but is the latest season any good? I stopped playing like mid of last year cuz my friend group moved to different games.

[JacksonVirgo]

Psyche you better not be scum-reading lil old me >:C

[JacksonVirgo]

ketchup have you played much mafia before elsewhere

Nope! Never played before. I read a few games from a subforum on mkwpp.com (they're pretty short) and fragments of a couple games on here, as well as a couple basic strategies on the wiki, a bunch of vocabulary and a gazillion different roles most of which aren't even allowed for normal but I was having a bit too much fun. (:

Sorry here's a better link if you were curious https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yab ... oard=mafia

Every time I see someone cool they're always from this super obscure place on the internet and it's hilarious, I love it

[JacksonVirgo]

was really hoping jacob would be the one...

I can be your one

[JacksonVirgo]

Like my very first mafia game was on a forum I made for my "clan" that I made on duelingnetwork (a yugioh site) but I usually don't count that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mafia is the Great Unifier

[JacksonVirgo]

145

[JacksonVirgo]

Whoops, ignore that. Was just checking what post that was

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: This is a small post I swear

14 throwing out accusations seemingly at random, and with some degree of confidence behind it that I don't think is necessarily faked because of 85 but that could have been formed because Luca/Ketchup took that statement and formed their own analysis over it but I'll analyse that when I get to it, if it's of worth to do so.

Luca took that read (bug/psyche contains scum) and said he agrees with it, thinking Psyche would be the wolf and expanded his thoughts in 22 by just saying that Psyche/Bug aren't wolves together and leaves it at that, not elaborating as to why he agreed that there's a wolf in that pool at all, just expanding on the assumption and Psyche calls this out specifically in 24 so I hope this gets elaborated on.

Luca's response is a shallow "I dislike both of your openings" which for page 2 is incredibly fair to be this shallow but expanding it into what it is feels a little strange to do. It's almost vocalising something just for the sake of doing so which if it launched the game out of RVS in the first page then there's no real complaints from me.

@ketchup

, in 37 you say "From the few games I looked at before this, the mafia tend to just lurk in the shadows at the start while town do a good job of killing themselves off." which is a dangerous thought process to have as once you start playing with wolves that are comfortable being wolves or primarily focus on being a strong voice in the Town, this will let you down so I feel reading people purely based on the logic you're using is not super reliable from my own personal experience.

43 is an incredibly townie post by ketchup, "I don't really have much to go on against psyche at the moment" insinuates they want to push Psyche but has nothing, which from a wolf who is less experienced (assuming based on the discussion you said "from the few games") this message would not come out as pure as this would as they would generally be apprehensive to say something like this, if they're experienced and trying to hide that then this would be less of a strong read but exists nonetheless.

Outworld's response to the bug/psyche pool (85) was a substantially townie one, the thought process is unique to what had been said from luca and ketchup so they didn't try and take the logic they had to any particular degree but instead had their own of which the logic is sound for. They even don't seem to be pushing this based on wanting an elim (after seeing something scummy) they seem to be genuinely gauging them with their second part of this post.

Ketchups' analysis on Jacob (87) has me smiling actually, especially given their "throwaway kinda feels like a mafia member going through the mental checklist of things they need to do (type a message in the thread: check!)" gave me a little chuckle. I am confident in this as town, this feels pure although that last bit "thanks for putting some guilt on me tho I don't wanna be killed on night 1 xxx" feels a little iffy but I'm willing to overlook that for now.

I like Black's analysis in 112, which is a different angle than I was taking to town-read ketchup.

120 by project is putting suspicions onto Ketchup for doing too much for too few genuine reasons but isn't pushing Luca for doing the exact same thing, I am going to keep in mind this very post to see if that does change or if the inconsistency between why they're reading specific people stays.

Delta's 142 is like textbook town. They saw something they deemed to be incredibly obvious to be scummy and assumes others will see it as fast as she does.

167 (a VC) bugspray being at a substantially larger wagon from very early on until this point in the game while every other wagon has a single vote on it makes me want to view bugspray in a positive light. I wanna see how people change their behaviour after seeing this shown to them, if anybody votes quite quickly and for unsubstantiated reasons (it would need to be someone already voted so hutao, psyche, myself or ketchup) I'm gonna perk my pretty little eyebrows up at them.

Ah just saw bugs is Dannflor, so I don't gotta read them. It's fun that I was right about them though. Not quoting any particular posts but Hu Tao's posts in recent memory have all been trying to almost fear monger against Dannflor 294 I hope Gypyx explained what's bold about Jacob (future JV here, they did)

My eyes are starting to glide, oh no. Just gonna commit to the skim read and reply if I see something of worth. 679 from Gypyx reads manipulative to a pretty high degree but I'm not exactly sure how to place it, paired with 684 it feels like faking pressure for the sake of pressure to try and squeeze out a few drops of delicious town juice (which I imagine is like a orange and mango juice). 690 is also shading Delta for no real reason more so than being constructive about the list that was posted. 733 is just as bad.

Cutting off my catchup at Drew claiming the vig in 836

TR:

ketchup, Outworld, Drew

TL:

Luca, Psyche

NT:

Black

NS:

SL:

Hu Tao

SR:

Gypyx, Project

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Gypyx

[JacksonVirgo]

Project is also on the table, but will wait to see what Titus does with the slot

[JacksonVirgo]

Quite the opposite, funny how you label someone voting you as something scummy in and of itself

[JacksonVirgo]

jokes aside this is a very towny start and i like your reaction

Of course it's a towny start, I am a paragon of towniness and anyone harming me can only be an agent of evil

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm a forgiving paragon of towniness

[JacksonVirgo]

*starts withering away from the sheer towniness of jackson like a vampire*

oh wow you sure are huh, how would you feel about placing your vote elsewhere please <3

how would you feel if i told you i was just being manipulative for the fun of it

Flattery doesn't work on me but nice try

Spoiler:

Except the times it does ofc

[JacksonVirgo]

still substantially tr projectry/titus and ketchup

I vibe with the Ketchup side of this statement

[JacksonVirgo]

I have a gut feeling that Gypyx/Titus aren't partnered based on some Gypyx/project interactions. I'm coming around to Gypyx being the townier of the two slots as of late. Titus just kinda replaced a do-nothing slot and has continued to do nothing. Her entrance and instant vote on me gives me pause but I'll have to wait a bit to explain why

I'm not sure how I feel about the interactions between the two although, just woke up so gotta catch up on the remainder of D2 so maybe that'll give me more. The one reason I'm voting Gypyx over Titus right now would be because Gypyx tried taking control during the end of the day by giving over the top sounding pressure/threats AND project was talking about multitasking being a possible way for scum to get two kills (going off memory) which feels a little weird to say but those types of things do get faked so I'm not holding Gypyx to a HUGE degree over Titus

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't know guys... I think Titus is too obvious, too 'perfect' of a vote, too easy for the mafia to shade. 1079 reminds me eerily of Bugspray's 165 . I feel like a replacement mafia would put in more effort and not seem so obviously low-effort/shady

Sure, but they could also just be a wolf. Do you have any way of knowing the difference?

[JacksonVirgo]

I like it. It feels different but I'm having lots of fun. Really fun to play with friends

I played like one round of a game last month on my friends ps5 and I was so awful at controller I died immediately so that's my only memory of the game as of late lmfaoooo. Walking around while healing etc is so wacky to see, but I hope that's still in the game

[JacksonVirgo]

mafia: Jackson nee. Jacob, OutWorld, Hu Tao

Is the read on me based on my predecessor, or literally me

[JacksonVirgo]

Jacob24: Currently inactive. If it wasn't for the surprise evidence I found against Hu Tao above in 1113 , my vote would still be on him.

Some of his reads seem to be very volatile

, and his singular post of day 2 accusing me without any evidence was shallow and unsatisfactory, showing the disengagement I might expect from a mafia member. Then to the second part of his most recent post,
"Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann."

--snip--

Also how did I go from being townread in 188 to being one of Jacob's top 2 suspects in 371 ? These were only 9h19mins apart

! Talking of 371, two things:
-->

He sheeps my reads format to seem like he is producing a lot of content, when in reality he does not give any reasoning for any of his reads so it would be easy to low-effort a reads list based on vibes.

-->

My list (for those who care):

This is a strange thing to say. All townies should care for some nice reads. The only people who wouldn't care so much (excl. disengaged townies) would be the mafia...

If only I could vote for 2 people at once...

What makes volatile behaviour scummy?

Also do you think Town cannot change their reads super fast?

This seems like projecting actually

.

Mhm, but how can you differentiate between he is just not confident vs something that the mafia would say.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, what he said

welcome
please help us
3 of our own are dead

Mostly your predecessor atm, haven't formed an opinion either way on your posts yet.

For someone who commented that when I first replaced in, not commenting on a single thing I've done is strange and I'm almost positive there would be something to comment on if you wanted to

[JacksonVirgo]

Thomith:*Please welcome JacksonVirgo!*

I confirm, this is what happened

[JacksonVirgo]

Jacob24: Currently inactive. If it wasn't for the surprise evidence I found against Hu Tao above in 1113 , my vote would still be on him.

Some of his reads seem to be very volatile

, and his singular post of day 2 accusing me without any evidence was shallow and unsatisfactory, showing the disengagement I might expect from a mafia member. Then to the second part of his most recent post,
"Also Lucca looks bad now for their bad ready of bugs/Dann."

--snip--

Also how did I go from being townread in 188 to being one of Jacob's top 2 suspects in 371 ? These were only 9h19mins apart

! Talking of 371, two things:
-->

He sheeps my reads format to seem like he is producing a lot of content, when in reality he does not give any reasoning for any of his reads so it would be easy to low-effort a reads list based on vibes.

-->

My list (for those who care):

This is a strange thing to say. All townies should care for some nice reads. The only people who wouldn't care so much (excl. disengaged townies) would be the mafia...

If only I could vote for 2 people at once...

What makes volatile behaviour scummy?

Also do you think Town cannot change their reads super fast?

This seems like projecting actually

.

Mhm, but how can you differentiate between he is just not confident vs something that the mafia would say.

post 30 makes it seem as though Jacob's reads will be few and far between, carefully considered and unlikely to change suddenly. admit this wasn't one of my strongest points tho perhaps

don't understand what you mean here

Not confident it feels he might accompany with a message of like "they may be far from perfect at the moment but here's my attempt at reads". The wording he used feels as if he almost unwilling tossed out these half-baked without-any-reasoning reads because he felt pressured to do so. He wasn't concerned with solving who was town but rather pleasing those going after him

Blue -> That's the opposite of volatile ftr, what do you feel makes this scummy?
Red -> Just an observation, don't worry about it
Pink -> You're quite unfairly assuming people should play in a particular way, or how people would express their insecurities.
Green -> You never commented on this

[JacksonVirgo]

1226 is just the catchup post, which is typical for people who replace in. I'm more talking about things like my reasonings on Gypyx, or my thought process etc. It feels like you were doing busywork with 1206 and then didn't follow up, even to a small degree

[JacksonVirgo]

Blue --> Jacob makes it seem as if he won't be volatile, but he turns out being volatile. I might be misusing volatile, so I'll rephrase. 30 gives slow and confident voter vibes. Jacob actually sends out a ton of different and underjustified votes, which was surprising.
Pink--> Sure. I'm trying to pick apart the language, wrong or right, because if it stands out to me it might be worth mentioning. I know people are different. But the mafia exist out there somewhere...
Green--> Wasn't green essentially the same point as blue or did I misunderstand

I love how we're sticking to the colours

Blue -> Yeah, I understand. Why do you think this is scummy? That's my main reason for asking in the first place.
Pink -> The mafia very much does exist somewhere but that doesn't justify reading someone for the language they use just because it's the language they used that you disagree with. People are different
Green -> It was a mixed question, but I am curious what you make of it anyway. Do you town-read careful planning, or volatile behaviour? Or neither? Why?

[JacksonVirgo]

1226 is just the catchup post, which is typical for people who replace in. I'm more talking about things like my reasonings on Gypyx, or my thought process etc.

It feels like you were doing busywork with 1206 and then didn't follow up, even to a small degree

1206 was just a harmless greeting intended to be funny

I sleep

I figured, I just wanted you to say it more than me feed you the response I was looking for

[JacksonVirgo]

I sleep

Good night sweet prince, I will be expecting you to respond back to me after of course

[JacksonVirgo]

The last page was really pretty

Jackson what is your read on ketchup?

Town but I'm trying to gauge something in particular

[JacksonVirgo]

Why did you ask us both in particular?

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless that was, not calling us two out in particular for rushing titus

[JacksonVirgo]

I thought my "{if they have a juggernaut idk}" made it clear I pointed out what I was saying

I don't really care about you making it a conditional assumption, like, the raw fact that making this part of the joke came up to your mind is what i'm suspicious of

it being in 3/4 games you've watched is a justification, but not the strongest ever

if we ever flip a jugg i guess that's like +100000 scumpoints, otherwise still a bit weird

[JacksonVirgo]

I thought my "{if they have a juggernaut idk}" made it clear I pointed out what I was saying

I don't really care about you making it a conditional assumption, like, the raw fact that making this part of the joke came up to your mind is what i'm suspicious of

it being in 3/4 games you've watched is a justification, but not the strongest ever

if we ever flip a jugg i guess that's like +100000 scumpoints, otherwise still a bit weird

May I have one of those straws you're grasping at, I need one for my drink. Preferably not the paper ones

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll reply to where we left off in a bit Jackson btw

Mhm can't wait

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh do you not know the term?

[JacksonVirgo]

Hahaha. Thanks for not rushing Titus yet (:

No need to thank me, if I wanted it they'd be hammered right now. When can I expect you to get back to what we were talking about earlier?

[JacksonVirgo]

He means your theory is a stretch. I suppose the origin of the idiom is like grasping around in the darkness, at some point you will grasp onto a straw (correct theory of who’s scum) but it’s unlikely.

Yeah, I exaggerated of course for the joke but yeah I think it's a stretch

[JacksonVirgo]

Blue --> Jacob makes it seem as if he won't be volatile, but he turns out being volatile. I might be misusing volatile, so I'll rephrase. 30 gives slow and confident voter vibes. Jacob actually sends out a ton of different and underjustified votes, which was surprising.
Pink--> Sure. I'm trying to pick apart the language, wrong or right, because if it stands out to me it might be worth mentioning. I know people are different. But the mafia exist out there somewhere...
Green--> Wasn't green essentially the same point as blue or did I misunderstand

I love how we're sticking to the colours

Blue -> Yeah, I understand. Why do you think this is scummy? That's my main reason for asking in the first place.
Pink -> The mafia very much does exist somewhere but that doesn't justify reading someone for the language they use just because it's the language they used that you disagree with. People are different
Green -> It was a mixed question, but I am curious what you make of it anyway. Do you town-read careful planning, or volatile behaviour? Or neither? Why?

yeah haha. colourblind people rejoicing rn

Blue—> I feel that mafia are not so invested in the solving of the game, and so throwing around underjustified votes is tempting for a mafia, less so for an invested townie. its even somewhat possible he was being directed what to say in the scum PT for a while. Unfortunately only you and/or the mafia know if this is true or not.

Pink—> don’t want to start going in circles, but isn’t it important to question people‘s linguistical choices sometimes? People keep flagging all the dodgy-sounding things I say…

Green—> the phrasing of your question reminds me so much of an English lit question ahaha. But it’s a fair question. So I’ll try:

Careful planning:

Depends how organised the mafia team is. Three conflicting and/or self-confident personalities might not plan much together at all. But I suppose now I think about it careful planning might well be more of a mafia trait because they need to be so careful what they say, us townies not so much.

Volatile behaviour:

NOO THE WORD VOLATILE I really hope I’m using it right

anyway

I guess following on from the point above, volatile behaviour could well be more of a town indicator. I think it comes down to people’s different playstyles tbh. It’s just the

lack of consistency

I was questioning in Jacob. Town!Jacob (a player born into this site on the same day as me, so very fresh) might be super careful to not get voted out for saying something stupid, so might actually check his things over more than mafia!jacob, who wants to win with vibes and not have to do lots of meaningless analysis (maybe)

note: wanted to send this 15 mins ago but bus signal is pretty dreadful (volatile you could say)

You came to the right conclusion somewhat but the logic itself I believe is a little off the mark (not saying that's bad). Scum cannot solve the game because they know who the wolves are, they can only fake it so if people's logic doesn't line up that could be a reason as to why that would be the case. Can you elaborate on why underjustified votes would be tempting for mafia?

As you said, it all depends on the persons specific playstyle but you will not always know that. I agree with you that more careful and calculated behaviours are generally more aligned with a wolf agenda just out of necessity and the fluidity is a townie trait because they need to first

find

before they can kill wolves. Inconsistency and fluidity are very different things though, are you seeing fluidity or inconsistency in Jacobs old posts? Why do you think it's that way and what do you make of their alignment based on it?

[JacksonVirgo]

No rush

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus isn't the way to go today, and I plan on casing Gypyx but this is my consolidation vote

[JacksonVirgo]

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

I can't place it but this post reads pretty awful

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus isn't the way to go today, and I plan on casing Gypyx but this is my consolidation vote

*looks at you with my big puppy eyes*

What's your read on me?

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus isn't the way to go today, and I plan on casing Gypyx but this is my consolidation vote

*looks at you with my big puppy eyes*

What's your read on me?

Haven't read anything that makes me go "holy shit this is town" but i'm also not sure there's like, room for you to be scum

i've got also less micropings about you than in bianco's normal so that's probably a good thing

No room for me being scum?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why are you treating me like you have been? The puppy dog eyes, and the general flattery.

[JacksonVirgo]

:)

[JacksonVirgo]

I see

[JacksonVirgo]

how did you make the smiley face

[JacksonVirgo]

Just gotta toggle the "disable smilies" when ur making ur post per post through the full editor (down below the submit buttons) or you can set it as a default through your account settings

[JacksonVirgo]

:)

[JacksonVirgo]

This is me acknowledging that ordee

[JacksonVirgo]

ordee

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't open until my time to claim comes

Spoiler: My Claim

[JacksonVirgo]

ordee

Off you pop

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm a Novice Non-Consequtive Simple (yet secretly complex) Loyal Loud Roaming Strongwilled 1-shot Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out Of Its Ass

[JacksonVirgo]

*waits for Jackson to demonstrate*

Too steamy, would get my account banned

[JacksonVirgo]

I hope outworld doesn't take too long to come on, I'm sitting here twiddlin' my toes waiting to claim

[JacksonVirgo]

Mhm, I'm not claiming before they do but like this gamestate is pretty much frozen until it all gets claimed which is not great by any means

[JacksonVirgo]

Be careful when making associative reads without flips to confirm them one way or another

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyone wanna play hangman while we wait?

[JacksonVirgo]

I had no idea we could do that, how does it even work

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyone wanna play hangman while we wait?

Sure! we can play while the chess goes on. do you want to think of a word or shall i

I'll play chess when I'm able to figure out how the heck it works lmfao
In the meantime, 4 letter word
_ _ _ _

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyone wanna play hangman while we wait?

Sure! we can play while the chess goes on. do you want to think of a word or shall i

I'll play chess when I'm able to figure out how the heck it works lmfao
In the meantime, 4 letter word
_ _ _ _

o

_ o _ _

[JacksonVirgo]

Btw I do think one of Hu Tao / Gypyx is a wolf

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyone wanna play hangman while we wait?

Sure! we can play while the chess goes on. do you want to think of a word or shall i

I'll play chess when I'm able to figure out how the heck it works lmfao
In the meantime, 4 letter word
_ _ _ _

o

_ o _ _

town

Oooo! That would have been such a good one but no

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyone wanna play hangman while we wait?

Sure! we can play while the chess goes on. do you want to think of a word or shall i

I'll play chess when I'm able to figure out how the heck it works lmfao
In the meantime, 4 letter word
_ _ _ _

o

_ o _ _

town

Oooo! That would have been such a good one but no

oh lol that’s the only reason I went o. ok lose 1 life.

r

I unironically forgot there's a lose state for hangman, how many until bust?

There's no R

[JacksonVirgo]

Typically on paper you draw out a person being hanged line by line (lol). I think it comes to about 7 lives (dead on 8th wrong)

N

We'll go with that lmao

_ O _ _

Fail:

R, "Town", N

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure sure

T

*buzzer sound*

We'll go with that lmao

_ O _ _

Fail (4/8):

R, "Town", N, T

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmao my quote failed, ignore the "We;ll go with that" that was an accident

[JacksonVirgo]

I thought I picked a super easy word to guess, this seems to be turning out to be a huge stumper

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure sure

T

*buzzer sound*

We'll go with that lmao

_ O _ _

Fail (4/8):

R, "Town", N, T

*alarmed* so the word isn’t 'post' either, eh? ok. hmm lets go withhh

D

Ahahaha,

*double buzzer sound*

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure sure

T

*buzzer sound*

We'll go with that lmao

_ O _ _

Fail (4/8):

R, "Town", N, T

role

Maybe I should have like done a mafia-related word

[JacksonVirgo]

5/8 cuz of what ketchup just said, ye that was a silly guess gypyx smh

[JacksonVirgo]

no pls scrolling through your isos is already a lot

That's the point >:)

[JacksonVirgo]

i'm scum both in this game and in the hangman

[JacksonVirgo]

S

:rofl:

6/8

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh no I forgot to turn on emojis

[JacksonVirgo]

S

6/8

aaah

L

*applause*



L O _ _

[JacksonVirgo]

my guess: C

7/8 good luck on ur guess

[JacksonVirgo]

Btw I do think one of Hu Tao / Gypyx is a wolf

You don't think they could be partnered?

I didn't say I thought they couldn't be, I wanna wait to see a flip first and foremost but if I was a compulsive/impulsive gambler I would bet on the pair rn

[JacksonVirgo]

I think at least one of them have to be

[JacksonVirgo]

:O

L O _ E

[JacksonVirgo]

LOVE

JV is a cheesy bastard confirmed, you would be right!! *applause_sound.wav*

[JacksonVirgo]

You did a buzzer beater with that one lmao

[JacksonVirgo]

E cuz that's the best vowel fr

[JacksonVirgo]

but i highly doubt it

... you know it's you yeah?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh no, you outsmarted my outsmarting.

A

[JacksonVirgo]

EA sports, it's not in the game.

[JacksonVirgo]

Imagine I exhaust all the vowels and then get absolutely nowhere.

I

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm a VT

[JacksonVirgo]

no pls scrolling through your isos is already a lot

Your claim brother

[JacksonVirgo]

I suck at balance and mech stuff so I don't think I will be much help analyzing this mass claim

I'll carry, it's okay

[JacksonVirgo]

Imagine I exhaust all the vowels and then get absolutely nowhere.

I

I wouldn’t be a psycho and pick rhythms.

*ding ding dinggg*!!

_ _ _ _ _ I _

Fail (2/7): E, A

I didn't even consider words with no vowels, oh god.

O

[JacksonVirgo]

All the vowel gang go brrr, U

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you see the vowelcop role I invented in the greatestideasmafia section yesterday? Lol

I did not you should link it

Is this pumpkin though ahahaha, perhaps that one with that shoots laser beams out of its ass. Not a guess, my guess is N

pedit: aww, no worries we'll carry it on later and annoy everybody

[JacksonVirgo]

One more to go

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh there's also lucca, so two more to go

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m vanilla townie, and surprised at the amount of vanilla townie claims there have been. At least one must be a lie.

It's a simple normal game, why do you think lack of PR claims is a weird thing?

[JacksonVirgo]

actually we have too much PR claims right now

You realise how gated the claimed PRs are yeah? Not necessarily

[JacksonVirgo]

Idk I’ve never played before, is this normal?

Yeah this isn't typically out of the ordinary given the information that's public*
Waiting on Luca and then I'm gonna analyse the game

[JacksonVirgo]

actually we have too much PR claims right now

You realise how gated the claimed PRs are yeah? Not necessarily

they aren't really gated?

All bar one is gated.

[JacksonVirgo]

I have a lot of thoughts, I think I solved the game

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're town and you keep saying that maybe I will start saying stupid shit

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah, it's fine but you gotta clarify what stupid shit you were thinking of when you said that

[JacksonVirgo]

I fail to see how a VT needs to wait to claim what they were thinking when talking to another VT

[JacksonVirgo]

I guess we wait

[JacksonVirgo]

mfw

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you see the vowelcop role I invented in the greatestideasmafia section yesterday? Lol

I did not you should link it

Is this pumpkin though ahahaha, perhaps that one with that shoots laser beams out of its ass. Not a guess, my guess is N

pedit: aww, no worries we'll carry it on later and annoy everybody

Hmmmm who knows

_U_ _ _ I N

Ahaha no shot, it's Pumpkin. That's my guess

[JacksonVirgo]

Ahaha I love you, that was great

[JacksonVirgo]

Doubt it, I'm confident he's Town

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean, I assumed three wolves just cuz that's commonplace for a 13p

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, I don't recall a single 13p normal game that doesn't have three wolves

[JacksonVirgo]

Mmm, I'm finding it really hard to keep sitting on my hands

[JacksonVirgo]

Good ol' 6:22am in aus

[JacksonVirgo]

That's 9pm, crazy how time works. Trips me up all the time

[JacksonVirgo]

honestly i'd be cool with skipping luca's turn so that we may have more time to think about things

Mhm, so you should say what you meant by the doing smthn stupid

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you see the vowelcop role I invented in the greatestideasmafia section yesterday? Lol

I did not you should link it

Town 5-Shot Vowelcop

Each night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will find out if your chosen vowel (A, E, I, O or U) appears in their role (excluding the words 'Town', 'Townie', 'Mafia’ or similar words that reveal alignment). You may select a player as many times as you like throughout the game, but you may not investigate for the same vowel more than once throughout the game.

ex: Vanilla Townie would return a positive result for 'A' or 'I' and a negative result for 'E', 'O' or 'U'. Mafia Goon would only return a positive result for 'O'.

((:

That's super cool lmao

[JacksonVirgo]

actually we have too much PR claims right now

You realise how gated the claimed PRs are yeah? Not necessarily

gated =?

Gated is like restrictions as to how a player can use their role. Odd-Night and 1-shot roles for instance limit the amount someone can use their role to those specific nights (or once, total)

[JacksonVirgo]

what's the most concrete nrg has ever been about how they review balance?
am only seeing equal winrates in wiki but frequently see concepts like swinginess thrown around

Not entirely sure what you're asking

[JacksonVirgo]

honestly i'd be cool with skipping luca's turn so that we may have more time to think about things

Mhm, so you should say what you meant by the doing smthn stupid

i think hu tao is very much obvtown right now

like, yesterday i guess it was less obvious, i thought she sent signals that she had an inno on me and it got mixed with her actual signals of being a PR

Psyche's claim is mighty suspicious also for reasons of lack of synergy with the setup + basically null levels of info it's allowed to bring, and him trying to accuse hu tao on something as flimsy as "knowing there are 3 scum" is comforting me on this idea

That's not what I asked

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll add my thoughts soon

[JacksonVirgo]

On the mech

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would you feel the need to say that without knowing what I was thinking

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh that's pretty commonplace

[JacksonVirgo]

That was to Psyche

[JacksonVirgo]

How has it been playing as a wolf this game Gypyx?

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Gyp

[JacksonVirgo]

This entire time you've seemed to try and set up mislims moreso than really solving the game

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

actually this wagon sucks wtf

Hu Tao are you a member of the mafia

maybe Titus is the best vote we can acheive today actually

I just don't think it's Hu Tao

I can't place it but this post reads pretty awful

i'm trying really hard to say stuff without saying it

Can you explain the shift here considering the "inno on you"

[JacksonVirgo]

@Anyone interested in the Hu Tao wagon

do you think scum!Hu Tao ever kills Deltawave this night when it would feel pretty natural for town to aim on the wagon, and with Delta being dead, Hu Tao would basically be the next in PoE of the Dann pushers? Luca isn't a realistic lim to aim for given his generally high towncred

I really think we can solve her day 3 but for now i'd like a little more time please

Or this one

[JacksonVirgo]

Also why you've been trying to discredit me whenever my reads do not align with what you think like when you called Jacob wolf just cuz I came in with a vote on you, and just recently when you were trying to pull apart when I said I had a solve

[JacksonVirgo]

This entire time you've seemed to try and set up mislims moreso than really solving the game

are you saying that cause i'm not writing 10 paragraph long cases or is it something else

tbf this playstyle experiment has maybe not gone as well as i would've hoped to but my play has only been protown, save for the dann hammer which i admit was somewhat of a throw

idk i'm just fed up with never mattering as town

No it's because you seem to be throwing shade at the PRs to a degree I would consider unjustified, the whole gating back and forth we had was just strange to me. It didn't feel you were looking at it in nearly the lens you should be looking at it with considering the low power of the Town if all those claims were true and there were no others. Then your take on Psyche

"Psyche's claim is mighty suspicious also for reasons of lack of synergy with the setup + basically null levels of info it's allowed to bring, and him trying to accuse hu tao on something as flimsy as "knowing there are 3 scum" is comforting me on this idea"

Seems overly grasping at straws if I were to use terminology I had used against you in the past to make my point. This opportunism I'm seeing has been consistent since I replaced in. You're not giving it critical thought even though you're seemingly trying to make it seem like you are

[JacksonVirgo]

@ketchup

why were you nervous before the mass-claim kicked off when you're a VT

[JacksonVirgo]

Voting right now is pretty much a scum claim btw

I say this in the least respectful way possible

Lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson can you unvote pretty please

What were your results

[JacksonVirgo]

Who did you block

[JacksonVirgo]

Because I am asking for it directly, fat chance Luca claims PR unless he's real given your stance around him

[JacksonVirgo]

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

[JacksonVirgo]

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

Sorry just quoting this

[JacksonVirgo]

Claim your results

[JacksonVirgo]

While you're here, claim yours too

[JacksonVirgo]

If Luca is wolf, he will just delay the claim as long as he feasibly can anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

Nice one, deciding to call me scum every time I call you scum

[JacksonVirgo]

zzz

[JacksonVirgo]

Why did you target IAVH?

[JacksonVirgo]

anyways i'd be very happy to talk with anyone named "NotJackson"

Hey

Throwing this in my ISO, definitely an accidental alt slip guys

[JacksonVirgo]

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

We mass claimed in like 12 hours of the day starting, I wouldn't say we lost any time at all

Shh don't tell anybody, I clicked the page 60 on my spam through the pages to see the last VC which I thought was at a particular page and thought we had a day left in a panic

[JacksonVirgo]

So I'm just going with it now

[JacksonVirgo]

@ketchup

why were you nervous before the mass-claim kicked off when you're a VT

what are you referencing?

my first post of today? I meant, breathe out, I survived the night

Oh, that makes sense

[JacksonVirgo]

really wanna 1v1 jackson ngl

No, you really don't

[JacksonVirgo]

Gypyx is probably just scum

I agree, I've consistently saw what she's been doing as opportunistic ever since EoD1

[JacksonVirgo]

Ketchup you're so precious. Never change

I agree

[JacksonVirgo]

Few things

I have a lot of thoughts, I think I solved the game

jackson you better not start saying stupid shit

sorry that was a bit excessive of me

Why were you so "heated", for lack of a better term, about the possibility I was gonna call Hu Tao wolf when that's information on your end and not public information? This still feels incredibly out of place

can't we just vote scum out?

Were you referring to black here? What prompted you to say this in this moment?

We already lost too much time from the massclaim to just waste it further on your superficial "just in case" plan

i'm not sure why both of you are so impatient about this when the day has basically just started

Mine was more a humorous consideration about oversmplifying the game

Meanwhile jackson's play completely mystifies me and i'll just assume he's scum to save my mental sanity i think

What about my play mystifies you?

[JacksonVirgo]

the macho in outworld's role would prevent him from being jailkeeped? or just from doctors

They still get blocked by a JK, but it would pierce the protection-part of it and kill them if attacked

[JacksonVirgo]

For someone who thought there were too many PR claims, you saying they're basically conftown is actually insane

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're so heated about ELO why are you not treating this game as if it were ELO and looking at everybody with a fine lens, you're throwing the PR claims to the side for what logic? Because you think Psyche is scum because of your assumption that PRs need to have some form of logical link to them to be real?

[JacksonVirgo]

For someone who thought there were too many PR claims, you saying they're basically conftown is actually insane

For someone who thinks there are enough PR claims, you acting suspicious of them still is actually insane

That's not as big a point as you think it is, nor is it one at all

[JacksonVirgo]

We are piling on you, but why would that be scummy? You’re acting wolfy

[JacksonVirgo]

Gyp why do you think every role must make an obvious link and anything else means it’s fake? As it’s proven that the opposite can be the case with the inventor game and also that’s just a flawed viewpoint even taking it at face value

[JacksonVirgo]

We are piling on you, but why would that be scummy? You’re acting wolfy

you're throwing me more than i can answer and calling me scummy for not answering

I’m not calling you scummy for not answering, please don’t strawman me. I’m calling you scummy for things you’ve already done. Answer away

[JacksonVirgo]

Gyp why do you think every role must make an obvious link and anything else means it’s fake? As it’s proven that the opposite can be the case with the inventor game and also that’s just a flawed viewpoint even taking it at face value

we are in a simple normal

aka : enforced minimal WIFOM

plus like, i get wanting to design a not straight fowards setup but when choosing between thomith designing a purposefully misleading role or Psyche simply being scum caught in a somewhat badly executed claim it's extremely dishonest to call me out for choosing the most probably answer by far

Having non-linked roles is not wifom. In fact, if all town PRs are very obviously town PRs then what's the point in playing the game?

[JacksonVirgo]

Apologies again...

If targeting the right person, a watcher will find:

a) scum who kill
b) a jailkeeper trying to roleblock the player
c) a doctor trying to protect the player
d) a vigilante who shot the player

please tell me which apply

All of the above.

It will see the names of all the players who target their target.

[JacksonVirgo]

Optimally we should vote no-lim cuz we're on evens but I'm confident and cocky

[JacksonVirgo]

Apologies again...

If targeting the right person, a watcher will find:

a) scum who kill
b) a jailkeeper trying to roleblock the player
c) a doctor trying to protect the player
d) a vigilante who shot the player

please tell me which apply

well, watchers want to target town the *vast* majority of the time, in that sense they would be most likely to see a doctor / scumkill

unless you're asking which roles they would be able to see in which case it's all of them

the latter
thanks (:

They won't know what happened though, just who

[JacksonVirgo]

omg pay attention to me

My attention is all yours bbg

[JacksonVirgo]

nah no way outworld is lying, he kinda needs to be town to maintain a balance of power, at least with the setup as we currently know it

Wdym by that last bit?

[JacksonVirgo]

4v3 is easier to win than 5v3

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless u got a confirmed town (that would die if you no-limmed to get back on odds)

[JacksonVirgo]

well right now all town PRs are pretty obvious but you're certainely not making it easy for town

This is throwing what I'm saying out of the window completely just to stick to your thoughts. Do you disagree with me?

[JacksonVirgo]

So Gyp/Psyche are in a 1v1

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

[JacksonVirgo]

And if it's not me/black, where is your head at?

[JacksonVirgo]

ok you know what

- i watched drew last night
- gypx is scum
- i am a god a godddd a god
- null levels of info

VOTE: gypx

pedit: jesus let me post

You sprinkled that claim in like a champ I must say, I figured you had somethin' spicy

[JacksonVirgo]

And if it's not me/black, where is your head at?

nah this is where my head's at

Humour me, if I'm not a wolf. Where is your head at

[JacksonVirgo]

So you really got no other solve in the off chance you're wrong? I'm not asking you to believe I am town, I'm asking you to consider a world where you're wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

psyche's claim i think is sus but Gypyx has been sussy for a long while now

Why is Psyche's claim sus?

[JacksonVirgo]

jackson's play this day shows he entered willing to scrap it out with me

Yes because I believe you're a wolf and have not been shy at saying that since I replaced in

[JacksonVirgo]

So you really got no other solve in the off chance you're wrong? I'm not asking you to believe I am town, I'm asking you to consider a world where you're wrong

and i'm telling you there's basically no world

In that case I'm treating this as you trying not to spew after getting red-checked
VOTE: Gypyx

[JacksonVirgo]

I think there's a chance either of these are scum or maybe even both

Mhm, I initially unvoted for this reason but yeah Gypyx is just a furry lad this game. We love to see it

[JacksonVirgo]

can you imagine how hard it was to sit on that shot for a whole night. i was so sure luca would be the nk but i just chilled. i just chilledddd

Lmfao, I checked your ISO to see if you were consistent at holding back that info and that spongebob image got me ROLLING

[JacksonVirgo]

psyche's claim i think is sus but Gypyx has been sussy for a long while now

Why is Psyche's claim sus?

i think it's convenient that Psyche had a guilty on someone and only swung it once Gypyx looked to be going down by virtue of You and Black dogpiling on her.

i do think Psyche's claim could be real in terms of mechanics/setup balance but the timing is sus to me. That said, I also recognize that Psyche could just Like That.

We were in the midst of a mass-claim where we were holding back information until everybody claimed

[JacksonVirgo]

can you imagine how hard it was to sit on that shot for a whole night. i was so sure luca would be the nk but i just chilled. i just chilledddd

Lmfao, I checked your ISO to see if you were consistent at holding back that info and that spongebob image got me ROLLING

^^ this post has been verified as

Not Town Indicative

by real VT fact checkers

You're right, it's NAI because I was commenting on something I felt funny. Very cool

[JacksonVirgo]

If I'm wrong and Psyche just picked Gypyx because it was likely to snag me and Black, then I take this loss and I raise it as one of the most hilarious losses I've ever had

[JacksonVirgo]

It's hilarious watching you go fully static once the red-check was claimed on u

[JacksonVirgo]

I really loved playing with you gypyx, even if you were unnaturally furry

[JacksonVirgo]

Spam away

[JacksonVirgo]

This is ur JV advent calendar, open depending on which happens

Spoiler: Gypyx Wolf

Spoiler: Gypyx Town

[JacksonVirgo]

Btw there's basically no point for a town jackson to ask me about who i'd view as scum if it wasn't him, the only reasons he asks that is to catch me slipping, and this is not the intent he was representing in his messages

Uh, yes there was. I wanted to see if you had genuine thought processes I could realistically follow because I instantly removed my vote knowing Psyche could be abusing the pride I hold in my reads. It was my last ditch effort to correct myself if I was wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

objectively indeed lol

Where's my fortnite dances?

[JacksonVirgo]

You will never be forgotten, you are

my

sly rascal <3

[JacksonVirgo]

Btw there's basically no point for a town jackson to ask me about who i'd view as scum if it wasn't him, the only reasons he asks that is to catch me slipping, and this is not the intent he was representing in his messages

Uh, yes there was. I wanted to see if you had genuine thought processes I could realistically follow because I instantly removed my vote knowing Psyche could be abusing the pride I hold in my reads. It was my last ditch effort to correct myself if I was wrong

And so your conclusion is that since i hold confidence in my reads and my PoE i must be scum

let's be real there wasn't any answer that was gonna make me town here

This is my second time saying this, don't strawman me. My conclusion is that my reads have concluded you were scummy, you got red-checked and you did not do the bare minimum I required to start my process of correcting myself in the world I was wrong.

[JacksonVirgo]

When I was a young whippersnapper, fortnite was so young it was considered 14 days

[JacksonVirgo]

grr I'm so serious, good riddance one wolf is down now to be all stoic and serious and find the others grrr

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't believe it's hu tao / you / luca and I never said that I did

[JacksonVirgo]

You've snuck in multiple assumptions in that statement to make it seem tighter than it really is, don't do that

[JacksonVirgo]

wow she's right i'm celebrating. gypyx sure got me

grr I'm so serious, good riddance one wolf is down now to be all stoic and serious and find the others grrr

your quips mean nothing for deep down i know you're all trembling in fear in your scum PT

Omg omg my shakes are legging

[JacksonVirgo]

You've snuck in multiple assumptions in that statement to make it seem tighter than it really is, don't do that

do you belive assuming the claimed neap and his results is going too far?

I'm not a fool that thinks I have to have the entire game solved at once