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how do you know this?In post 36, Black wrote: That's exactly what it is. You want to fade me because I'm good at scum and I fooled you in previous games as opposed to wanting to fade me for things I've done in this gameYou are always gonna be my love-
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ok but just because he said it, why do you assume it's true?You are always gonna be my love-
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I know what he posted.
I'm asking you why you're assuming he's town who wants to kill you for being good at mafia rather than mafia trying to push you for an excuseYou are always gonna be my love-
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In post 80, shaddowez wrote:
I guess I'm reading this differently than you two, but Black never even alludes to gob being town. 36 reads to me more like she's accusing gob of being spiteful and pushing for a lim rather than actually pegging her as scum this game.In post 56, Snow2697 wrote:
agreeIn post 45, Naerys wrote:
good point, Aristeia feels towny thanks to this postIn post 44, Aristeia wrote: I'm asking you why you're assuming he's town who wants to kill you for being good at mafia rather than mafia trying to push you for an excuse
assuming spite is someone's motive also assumes they're town imo
but explain why it doesn'tYou are always gonna be my love-
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it would probably be a good memeIn post 141, Save The Dragons wrote: Really tempted to vote no eliminationYou are always gonna be my love-
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You are always gonna be my love-
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You are always gonna be my love-
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every ending is a new beginning
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In post 177, gob wrote: Look at the end of the day, Black if you get too good and don't have built-in protection (such as me acting stupid constantly) you'll start to be viewed as a threat and get limmed or killed day 1 constantly.
maybe you could teach her how to "act stupid"You are always gonna be my love-
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i think you are plenty good enoughYou are always gonna be my love-
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In post 202, Save The Dragons wrote: Words cannot express how not into this game I am feeling
But this might
VOTE: no elimination
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good luck!In post 211, Random Nurse wrote: *I haven't been that active currently because I am actively going through the process of buying my first home. Bit preoccupied.You are always gonna be my love-
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do you have a lot of experience with Random Nurse?In post 207, Hu Tao wrote: Either way, I think nurse is still the best vote right now based off what I said earlierYou are always gonna be my love-
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In post 223, Hu Tao wrote:
I've played with him a bit but not as scum I dont thinkIn post 221, Aristeia wrote:
do you have a lot of experience with Random Nurse?In post 207, Hu Tao wrote: Either way, I think nurse is still the best vote right now based off what I said earlier
ok and is he like no defensive when he's town?You are always gonna be my love-
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can you give like a comparison between what you're seeing here and what you've seen in past games with him that led you to this conclusion?In post 227, Hu Tao wrote: It's more that I think it's forcedYou are always gonna be my love-
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I can see what you're getting at here.In post 244, Save The Dragons wrote: i dunno its more the wording you chose in your gob suspicion
kinda reads as "im scum but i have to force another wagon, how do i make it look like i'm convincing myself gob is scum" rather than "i've convinced myself gob is scum"In post 236, Black wrote: Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shotYou are always gonna be my love-
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if she's town it'd be bad to speedyeet her and not give her time to do her thingsIn post 228, gob wrote: y aren’t we going black tho
if she's mafia it'd be bad to not make her team try to save her or bus herYou are always gonna be my love-
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like I get the feeling that if black is mafia then this means her team is like not very good at playing around the current thread situation and it will only get more pronounced the longer this day goes on
whereas speedyeeting her would be less infoYou are always gonna be my love-
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I think you're mafiaIn post 262, Black wrote:
Which do you think I am? You've been very non-committal regarding my slotIn post 251, Aristeia wrote:
if she's town it'd be bad to speedyeet her and not give her time to do her thingsIn post 228, gob wrote: y aren’t we going black tho
if she's mafia it'd be bad to not make her team try to save her or bus herYou are always gonna be my love-
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i know this wasn't asked to me but I'd think if you're mafia your scumteam would be like one of t3/notascum[leaning towards NAS] and maybe hu tao?In post 271, Black wrote:
Any scumreads besides me and StD?In post 270, gob wrote:
i like smile snow ari.In post 267, Black wrote: Gob what do your reads look like rnYou are always gonna be my love-
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I really doubt STD/Black are S/S from their interactionsYou are always gonna be my love-
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why would I help you if I think you're mafia?In post 284, Black wrote: Why didn't you help me push either of them when I voted for them
I'm confused by this questionYou are always gonna be my love-
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I liked 244, it captured exactly how I felt about black's posting in the thread.In post 285, gob wrote:
elabIn post 281, Aristeia wrote: I really doubt STD/Black are S/S from their interactions
I think if he's mafia with her and planning to bus her or whatever he'd just vote for her or push her instead of pointing out how her play is scummy without really voting for it.You are always gonna be my love-
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yea I kind of hate what gob is pushing her for because its so annoying but i find annoying pushes more often come from obnoxious town than scumIn post 290, Save The Dragons wrote: but like that doesn't really give us much info because gob is like "i'm BOPping black and don't care about what she's doing this game"You are always gonna be my love-
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I guess gob could be annoying scum who decided to death-tunnel a random townie right off the bat with an excuse but I dunno how likely that is, I have limited experience with gob the last time I remember playing vs scum!gob he felt more like trying to be nice nice?You are always gonna be my love-
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In post 255, gob wrote:just feels like youre pulling something like last game.
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This no lim stuff feels like you're pulling a play. Am I wrong?In post 256, Save The Dragons wrote: what did i do last game that feels like this game
this is all I could find from his iso
wdym by moving goalposts?You are always gonna be my love-
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In post 298, Black wrote:
If you think they could be my scumbuddies then pushing them with me a) let's you glean my reaction to their wagons and b) has a decent chance of flipping scum if the wagons actually go through. You're not doing anything with your vote actually and that kinda concerns me considering you seem to have all these scumreadsIn post 289, Aristeia wrote:
why would I help you if I think you're mafia?In post 284, Black wrote: Why didn't you help me push either of them when I voted for them
I'm confused by this question
Your read on me seems lazy
(1) my suspicion of them comes from my suspicion of you - you'd have to flip scum first before I consider looking for bussing votes.
(2) seeing how they interact with you normally without my interference is a better way to glean alignment information than pegging you to a counterwagon by giving you support.
(3) allowing you to yeet a bussing teammate doesn't help me win the game - it moves you into a better position in the game thread, allows you to take more thread control and you can potentially use that to yeet the people who voted you originally but are town.
(4) my vote would be on you if I was using it, I have chosen not to and I've laid out the strategic reasons why in 251 and 252
(5) my read on you is pretty lazy I'll agree on that. is there something you're doing that you think I should be townreading you for?You are always gonna be my love-
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I don't know anyone who actually believes in this other than gob?In post 299, Black wrote: He thinks this whole "Black is a threat" push will be believable
I think you're suspicious because of the way you reacted to him and the way you are interacting in the thread.
I don't really believe in yeeting people for their scum rep.You are always gonna be my love-
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In post 303, Black wrote: I don't think I've done anything for you to scumread me enough to build teams based on my flip.
I was responding to a question you were asking someone else about potential scum teams with you in itYou are always gonna be my love-
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ok and neither of them seem interested in fearyeeting you?In post 304, Black wrote: StD and Naerys were both in that gameYou are always gonna be my love-
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I thought your reaction to gob initially was to talk to him as if he's town treating you unfairly 36 - the sense I got reading the post was that you felt it was unfair he was treating you the way he was because you beat him previously and not because of what you've done in the game so far. The reason I felt it was a scummy reaction is because you're assuming that he wants to yeet you because of your brilliant scumplay in a previous game and not because he's mafia who's trying to push a mislim, the way you talk to him in that post feels like scum frustration to me.In post 304, Black wrote: I still don't understand how my reaction to him was scummy but whatever, you don't seem to want to budge there or even discuss it furthher. How are my interactions with the thread scummy?
As for how your interactions with the thread - it feels overall like you're not sure what to do and you're just pulling catchphrases out of your go to list of things to say. I'm not sure you believe anything you've posted in terms of alignment/solving. I liked what STD said about you not believing in your gob scumread, it felt like you were trying to get somewhere rather getting there organically.You are always gonna be my love-
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I'm sorry for being difficult.In post 308, Black wrote: Interacting with you is very difficult. You just seem like you always have to be right or something
I try to be right, I am often wrong.You are always gonna be my love-
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yea I can kind of feel that frustration sorry <3In post 309, Black wrote: This game is frustrating meYou are always gonna be my love-
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I agree that there's not a lot of options for you as either alignment in a stagnant game state. That's another reason why I felt voting you would be bad because so many people aren't really doing anything.In post 310, Black wrote: I guess I should have chilled in the shadows and not tried to figure out gob's motives for pushing me. Would that have been better for you Ari? Would that have been more townie of me? Now this god awful gob push is being twisted into a legitimate wagon and it makes me want to rip my hair out
I'm not like some kind of judge who's going to say whether what you're doing is right or wrong and I don't think you should think of me that way - we're just playing a game. I don't want you to rip your hair out as either alignment, I want to give you time to do townie things if you're town and if I can't get there in the end that's my fault and not yours.You are always gonna be my love-
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I'd also feel bad even if you were mafia
i like playing with youYou are always gonna be my love-
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can you give more specifics/words to this read?In post 337, Hu Tao wrote: Black is likely town BTW. This is how I expect her to act as town.You are always gonna be my love-
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what's your read on Hu Tao?In post 396, Black wrote: I'm just being transparent with my reads. I can stop talking if you want me toYou are always gonna be my love-
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your ATE got to me and NAS isn't really doing anything to make me think he's town
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I recognize that I am pretty easy to confbias into my initial impressions and I could be wrong about lots of things.
I guess even though I'd say I feel you're more likely to be mafia than NAS is, at least you care enough to play and I don't think he cares so I'd feel worse about missing on you than missing on him.
I don't think he is going to get more readable over time whereas you might become more readable so that's another point.You are always gonna be my love-
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In post 462, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't think there's anyone I wouldn't vote
ty for your contributionYou are always gonna be my love-
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thx this made my dayIn post 486, Save The Dragons wrote:In post 465, Aristeia wrote:In post 462, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't think there's anyone I wouldn't vote
ty for your contributionSpoiler:You are always gonna be my love-
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this is such a weird reaction in the context of the game stateIn post 539, SirCakez wrote: why is it scummy? You can't just quote a wall of posts and call it scummy, that doesn't mean anythingYou are always gonna be my love-
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I don't really have a read on T3.
I guess I'm fine with him being limmed if that's what we're settling on.You are always gonna be my love-
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you're voting for t3 and he's about to die.In post 548, SirCakez wrote:
ElaborateIn post 546, Aristeia wrote:
this is such a weird reaction in the context of the game stateIn post 539, SirCakez wrote: why is it scummy? You can't just quote a wall of posts and call it scummy, that doesn't mean anything
so I'm assuming you think he's mafia?
the way you're talking to him sounds like you're saying he can't do this because it doesn't mean anything except like that doesn't feel like language you use with someone who you think is mafia and about to flip mafia.You are always gonna be my love-
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I guess I just think if you're town your reaction to T3 saying something you believe is nonsense shading you would be something like
"this is so scum die die?"You are always gonna be my love-
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cakez this is the part where you explain why I'm wrong and what you actually meantYou are always gonna be my love-
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I like that Cakez asked me for an elaboration and then just ignored it completelyYou are always gonna be my love-
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why are the two of them scummy?You are always gonna be my love-
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I'm willing to vote for T3 but I'd prefer NAS
we have roughly a day left on the deadline.You are always gonna be my love-
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ill check in another 7 hours to see if anyones actually close to being eliminated.
this game feels like it wont end on a scum elimination because like i dont think anyone actually cares about who gets eliminated out of the top wagons which is usually a sign we're at T-T leading wagons and scum are spread out and town are not even tryingYou are always gonna be my love-
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I guess that tell doesn't really apply since we didn't even have two wagons it's just been the T3 wagon and a bunch of vanity votes.
which might just be worse but it is what it is.You are always gonna be my love-
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In post 654, SirCakez wrote: T3 claim now if you want any chance of not dying, there are 12 hours left and no alternative wagons
even tho this is like incredibly easy for SC scum to post I kind of think it leans town!indicative because of the game stateYou are always gonna be my love-
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like he's saying something really obvious but this is a game where it looks like nobody cares about urgency or getting things done so I'm not sure scum do stuff like point out obvious things when the town is busy trying to sleepwalk into whatever.You are always gonna be my love-
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In post 679, Snow2697 wrote: I have considered whether I should change my no-elim position now that there are more moves and data and I have formed a view on which players look scummy.
To put it other way, if I see someone scummy, why don't I vote for his/her elimination.
I have 4 issues here.
1 - Cakez and T3 look scummy to me based on my interpretation of their moves. But if Black is scum, then Cakez and T3 should be credited, not criticized for their votes. Black can be scum and town in my set-up.
2 - If Black is indeed town, a good candidate would be Aristeia. But again, if Black is scum, Aristeia looks very townish for pushing a scum.
3 - I don't like to make a D1 vote where so much depends on the status of one particular player.
4 - another approach can be to vote for a passive player. But I do not think that such a harsh step is required at D1 and that voting for a lurk would give a lot of data.
So, I would keep my no-elim vote unchanged.
waiting for the mafia to kill us all is a game losing strat
you need to vote to kill mafia to win
if you do not vote you cannot winYou are always gonna be my love-
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ill vote whichever one out of T3/SirCakez gets to 6 votes first
i dont think either of them will flip mafiaYou are always gonna be my love-
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the reason I don't think either of them flip mafia is that this just doesnt feel like a game state where mafia are in danger of being eliminated because I don't think anyone cares who actually gets eliminated todayYou are always gonna be my love-
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I guess I could just refuse to vote and settle for no lim. that's not that bad since people want to try itYou are always gonna be my love-
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