Micro Normal 1102: ootmgoat [game over!]

[Dannflor]

VOTE: hu tao

fear me

[Dannflor]

decidedly less annoying than fear mongering

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VOTE: gimli

[Dannflor]

May feels like town

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Dragon why do you want to town read Gimli and why is that reasoning not good enough

[Dannflor]

low effort is distinctly not the vibe i have gotten from gimli

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trying to heed 21 and ending up in a paradox

[Dannflor]

is duelist kage a secret alt

[Dannflor]

VOTE: gimli

Curious vote, why?

sweaty vibes masquerading as carefree vibes

[Dannflor]

boo

the wink wink nudge nudge secret meta reads are not fun to decipher

[Dannflor]

I’ll join the bandwagon of liking the cat

[Dannflor]

Townreading me would not be incredibly stupid why would you think so

[Dannflor]

dragon could you tone down the aggressiveness around “refuse to play the game” a bit

It’s the weekend and the game hasn’t even been open 24 hours

[Dannflor]

the wink wink nudge nudge secret meta reads are not fun to decipher

Who posted anything like that? I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who knows Kage's identity and I didn't really do any meta read of her (aside from saying she should know Gimli's meta, which just trust me on this).

I mean, you are doing this right now by talking about how well Kage *should* know you and Gimli’s play

[Dannflor]

That doesn’t do a lot for me personally

I think you can decide something is within someone’s scum range even if they’ve never done it before

And it’s not like duelist commented on some out-there gambit or something, it was literally just you throwing reads out there early

which also i feel like you do that all the time lol hence you making a thread about how to not throw reads out there so easily

[Dannflor]

VOTE: kjq

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gimli can you summarize your DK scum read for me

[Dannflor]

hu tao's posts are annoying me which i guess might mean she is town

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I liked the places where she felt DE was perhaps being scummy, and how she retracted that scumread without trying to appease to him.

did i miss may retracting her scum read on DE??

[Dannflor]

I feel like I must have a skewed idea of Dragon's meta because everyone is talking like he isn't very very good as scum

[Dannflor]

@ahsoka: you called me sweaty early on as a maybe scummy thing. how sweaty would you say DE is in this game, from 0 to 5?

ok, i wasn't scum reading you for tryharding. if that's genuinely what you thought my read was based on then it is alarming to me that you didn't push back on me at some point

i think your posts 8, 10. 13, and 18 all have this air of like "apologizing" for playing the game so hard, hence calling all your reads dumb and the kind of flippant tone you're using

it feels like you're self-conscious about looking to LAMIST for tryharding so early so you have to lampshade all your actions to come across like 'idc im just vibing'

in my experience, town don't usually discredit their own reads/opinions even early on in the game unless they are a very specific personality type

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i am town reading dragon way less after the emotional outburst

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I think May is talking from dragon's hypothetical town perspective

[Dannflor]

VOTE: gimli

I think gimli is extremely optics focused this game and has a lot of trajectories that I don't think really make sense.

I don't really understand the extreme black town read to the point where a town!Gimli would genuinely want to become a double voter for her. it's clear from gimli's treatment of me that he cares about now town reading perceived good scum players too easily so the treatment of black feels not genuine

KayJayQueue

scratch my other post, I think it could be KJQ/DK actually

nah actually its not kay

I can see the scumreads on kjq and I think out of all the players it has been the less towny one, other than DK who I think is just scum at this point.

this specific progression is something i do as scum a lot to look towny

i think town flip flop their reads a lot but this specific progression seems like a performance of that type of progression

it is not clear to me how gimli gets from binning KJQ as town presumably for individual reasons, to KJQ makes sense as a partner for DK, to actually Kay is town, back to Kay is a reasonable scum read

I feel at some point along this progression town!gimli would have some reasoning behind a strong KJQ read either way that he'd feel compelled to out

as it is it feels similar to the black read where it's being thrown out there to look towny but the thoughts behind it don't match up

[Dannflor]

I think CSF, hu tao, and may are some degree of town

I don't have a read on black, KJQ, or duelist

no comment on dragon

[Dannflor]

I knew my early thoughts were pretty weak and talking about them while simultaneously downplaying them is a way to get them across without having to read a lot of 'its too early for that gimli is just throwing bad thoughts left and right'

why did you want to avoid that specifically?

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I said enough about Kay, I think

that big paragraph about her feeling exhausted with being pushed looked extremely towny at first, but then black came up with reasonable meta of her playing this exact same card as scum before.

given hu tao has become increasingly townie my kay read, even though its still sort of a townlean, was pushed to the bottom of my reads

this doesn't answer why your read on her flipped like 3 times in the space of an hour

[Dannflor]

if kay does become townier I'll say dannflor is a decent candidate at being scum with kage, and is trying a d1 powerplay so that kage won't flip, going on the most sussed slot with momentum on it (me)

i don't think this is how i ever play around a buddy but that's not a useful thing to say just something i want to say

[Dannflor]

i also don't get your read on me or why i was ever in your town list to begin with or why im conditionally(?) scum now

[Dannflor]

oh i guess you're right

i interpreted you wanting to town read me as town reading me

[Dannflor]

no actually

I thought you thought I was town because your Duelist Kage scum read seemed very confident despite being a largely PoE read

[Dannflor]

i could flip any slot in the game if i wanted to

i just think you are scum

[Dannflor]

i think scum have a tendency to overestimate the number of unflippable people in the game

[Dannflor]

maybe not conviction is not my strong suit

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VOTE: duelist

[Dannflor]

where are you gimli

[Dannflor]

dragon/gimli was the same solve i was tossing around in my head this morning

[Dannflor]

probably that doesn't make sense

[Dannflor]

how about we let dragon get replaced

[Dannflor]

VOTE: dragon

okay but we flip kage next no matter what this flips

i am still very much struggling to reconcile your confidence here as genuine


266 is like a fine case for a lukewarm scum read but not the temperature you seem to be at

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I reread and I think I'd be very surprised if gimli/dragon were ever scum together

+ i think if gimli's scum his "how could you EVER think I could be scum with DRAGNO???" is a genuine reaction

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black your hu vote feels stale

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may's fluff posting is significantly lower than expected but maybe i should recalibrate based on the tone of the thread

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why are you clearing black, gimli

[Dannflor]

because i want MY hero solve to be right

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may's fluff posting is significantly lower than expected but maybe i should recalibrate based on the tone of the thread

Are you gonna scumread me for not posting fluff that would be exciting

sigh no probably not

[Dannflor]

KJQ is feeling towny

[Dannflor]

because i want MY hero solve to be right

whats your hero solve

I think it's Black + 1 right now

maybe you, idk you've both spent a lot of posts recently arguing with each other kinda pointlessly

[Dannflor]

also your bravado feels forced

[Dannflor]

like it feels like you're GIFing at KJQ until she throw her hands in the air and town reads you out of exasperation

[Dannflor]

what bravado?

Your bravado! don't say you're not doing it!! you clearly are!!

it very much feels like you're putting on this performance of "yeah idc im just town ill vote wherever to not die this is how the game works nyah nyah" and instead of trying to be diplomatic in anyway you're being fiesty because you think that's what'll get you town read

the only problem is if it's true that you as town would lampshade your own RVS reads because you're selfaware about optics then maybe you're also the type of person who would do all this shit as town

but right now it really feels like you'd have dropped the act by now

[Dannflor]

yeah i apologize for that post i was just annoyed with you

[Dannflor]

im getting lectured by someone with two games on her belt who is not at my level and doesnt understand my towngame and I don't have much to respond to that. I think she is townie for it and I'm fine with her read progression. otherwise I'm just not willing to engage on 'play better' lines, I think I play mafia just fine.

okay

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i think black is trending towards her scum meta

she's had one push with any depth and that was on hu tao very early, and since then she hasn't really shown any real movement on that read or really on anyone else despite huge changes in the gamestate with dragon repping out

i guess there was the whole dragon/gimli scum team theory, but my gut says that a town!black would have accompanied that with a vote

i think she tends to be a lot more fluid with her votes and stances as town and here it feels like she's kinda stuck on hu tao without a natural way of moving off

i still think the interactions with you look weird but maybe it's just from her side

[Dannflor]

im very diplomatic when im scum

okay i believe you

[Dannflor]

okay but in black time that's like decades

[Dannflor]

ok sorry maybe im bad

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Gimli

Arrogant.

not a good reason to vote for someone

[Dannflor]

Gimli is role-playing Flavor Leaf. And DE and I may have stepped on each other's toes as soon as I started posting, so I'm scum for backing off for a while instead of hyperposting like everyone else.

is this a comment on gimli's alignment?

[Dannflor]

i dispute the read being either lazy or opportunistic

[Dannflor]

that's the second time this game someone has misinterpreted a may whimsy post

[Dannflor]

i dispute the read being either lazy or opportunistic

I actually think it's a lazy read regardless of your alignment. If you are town then you need to reassess what my town and scum meta is if you want the read to be taken seriously. If you're scum then you thought you could shade me with bad reasons and it didn't quite work out for you

is it arrogant if i think i have a more objective view of your meta than you do

don't answer that i know it's yes

[Dannflor]

this game is making me feel gross the only person i really feel okay about voting right now is duelist and that might just be because she isn't here to make me feel bad about it

[Dannflor]

VOTE: doctor drew

i think dragon had scum caught for the wrong reasons energy mayhaps

[Dannflor]

sorry im not really interested in defending / explaining where it came from unless you think im scum for it

i don't feel super strongly about it anymore anyway

[Dannflor]

i think historically this is the polar opposite of the way scum!you has reacted to me pushing you so that's good enough for me for now

[Dannflor]

1. You say I've had "one push with any depth" and that it was "very early" with Hu Tao. That was literally last night before I went to bed. There were about 25 posts between then and the time I woke up for work. Your expectation that I should be pushing other people during this timeframe doesn't seem very real

2. You say I haven't shown any movement on that read or on anyone else. My read on Hu Tao hasn't really changed. As far as the gamestate changing, I commented that the rep out muddies my Gimli/DE read a little and I also called out a slimy May vote. I don't know what you're really expecting from me here

3. You say town!me would have voted for Gimli/DE but you seem to be ignoring 308 and 309 for some reason

4. You say I'm usually more fluid in my votes and stances when I'm town. That may be true but I'm also known for getting tunneled as town and I think you know this. Actually I know you know this, so it seems strange that you seemingly forgot about that part of my meta and are choosing to represent a different part here in order to make me look scummy

ok

1. i think a lot happened today, a lot more than happens in most games, i think as town you're usually quick to react to game events and adjust accordingly, i felt that there was less of that even in the small timeframe than i would have expected

2 + 4. I guess it's like you haven't really seemed tunneled or fluid. like you've stuck to your guns on the hu tao read but also most of your in thread energy has gone to other things today rather than talking about hu tao, which kinda doesn't match up with you representing yourself as tunneled on hu tao? so i guess i was expecting that if your hu tao read felt stale to me that you'd have more movement elsewhere other than like... shading may and posturing around gimli

3. I'm not ignoring that it's just not a vote and never turned into one.

it's not the strongest confidence read I've ever had on you and there's a reason I didn't vote you, half of it was to see how you'd react to me pushing you

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it's mildly strange to me that you think i would intentionally misrepresent your meta even if i was scum

is that really the impression you have of how i play

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you're wrong

[Dannflor]

i'm not invested i did not want to defend it i literally just did it because you asked me to see my thought process

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which 3 person scum teams am i a part of

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I think may is good at mafia

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hello JV

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i don’t think you’ve caused anyone to rep out

the rep outs would’ve happened with or without you

[Dannflor]

I forget if making a post after you say you’re going to bed is a scum tell or not

I feel like I remember someone in MD having convincing evidence on that at some point

[Dannflor]

im bedposting

[Dannflor]

i still just want to hipfire kill drew!slot

[Dannflor]

I’m sorry your week sucks I hope it gets better

[Dannflor]

CSF and Hu Tao as town core?

i agree with that solve

[Dannflor]

yeah i dont get it

[Dannflor]

icky game

[Dannflor]

nice

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why do you think dragon/drew is town, duelist

sorry if i missed it

[Dannflor]

I keep coming back to 112 and then 203 and then 224

it just very much feels like the brand of AtE that comes from scum who desperately believes they haven't done anything scummy

the DK scum read is based heavily in "i've never done x as scum so you shouldn't scum read me for it" which im sure dragon believes is factually true and why he felt comfortable using that point, but it's a specific bit of logic that comes from scum a lot that believes they have an unassailable position. I don't really see town!Dragon believing Duelist's inaccurate read makes her scum

the AtE towards gimli is very focused on how his posts *should* be read. the whole last paragraph is just like "i bet you can't find something ACTUALLY scummy about my posts"

and then the post towards may is very much trying to convince her that the post she is now scum reading actually *isn't* alignment indicative at all, it was scummy on purpose

i don't know why exactly but over and over again scum seem to think they have some idea of what aspects of their own play is *genuinely* scummy or *actually* scummy, probably something to do with having an informed perspective

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why do you think dragon/drew is town, duelist

sorry if i missed it

I'm not entirely sure, but I feel better about it and my ability to read Drew than anyone else right now, because I don't think he's partnered with Gimli, and that slot is sitting poorly. One goes down, the other goes up.

you have a read on drew?

[Dannflor]

DE slot flipping scum spews all of may/gimli/duelist town

[Dannflor]

i agree DE is not partnered with gimli probably ever and while im not lock town on gimli i think he has a much lower chance of flipping scum than DE

[Dannflor]

i agree DE is not partnered with gimli probably ever and while im not lock town on gimli i think he has a much lower chance of flipping scum than DE

Why are you townreading Gimli

mostly i started town reading Gimli's frustration around KayJayQueue

[Dannflor]

I will be sus of Dann if he doesn't townread at least one of them when he starts posting reads

i often disagree with your confident town reads ?

[Dannflor]

that's a very weird thing to say

[Dannflor]

okay

interested in hearing your thoughts when you're caught up

[Dannflor]

Dann, what do you make of kage's catch up?

idk i haven't read duelist very closely

maybe i should

[Dannflor]

it doesn't super feel to me like duelist is trying to get town read

she's being pretty antagonistic towards a universal town read in a way that doesn't really even get her town cred if she's scum

[Dannflor]

actually i guess i really don't like the repeated "wow i guess we aren't allowed to have FUN anymore" vibes

[Dannflor]

is that why you're voting Drew now? Which we're not doing today.

okay im sorry if you don't have a solid read on drew why did you act like it was ridiculous to vote drew today

[Dannflor]

my point was not that dragon was illogical it was actually that it was too logical

[Dannflor]

113 is kinda tongue in cheek

but also i had never played with gimli before to my knowledge so the default paranoia of my slot was weird to me

[Dannflor]

ok

[Dannflor]

If Dann is town I trust that it will be clear eventually, but so far I'm not feeling it

let me point out that you scum read me up until i was night killed in our last game together

[Dannflor]

I agree KJQ's reactions to Gimli feel very towny

[Dannflor]

the median mafia voter

[Dannflor]

VOTE: black

[Dannflor]

I do not think most players on this website can reliably distinguish between scum and town AtE

[Dannflor]

im not really interested in solving or flipping duelist today for reasons

she might be scum but her alignment is gonna become obvious tomorrow either way

[Dannflor]

i think all scum are in black, dragon, maybe duelist

[Dannflor]

may is town

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I don’t think black is excited to catch scum!Dann

[Dannflor]

people town reading dragon

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people town reading dragon

@CSF

[Dannflor]

im not really interested in solving or flipping duelist today for reasons

she might be scum but her alignment is gonna become obvious tomorrow either way

But you voted her earlier no? What changed your mind?

I thought about it more

I voted her because I started town reading gimli and wanted to support him

I’ve never felt strongly about duelist

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

Ill be back later tonight

[Dannflor]

we can kill kage

My solve is probably wrong and stupid anyway

[Dannflor]

dannflor’s evil twin

[Dannflor]

VOTE: drew

[Dannflor]

I am not confident you are scum and I don't like fading people I am not confident on

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I have also not tried to get you eliminated

[Dannflor]

I'm sorry I've been busy and my posting has not been constructive, I'll try to gather my thoughts into something helpful later today

[Dannflor]

okay I've reread the game, here's where I'm at.

I think Dragon was playing to pocket certain slots like me / Gimli more than he was actually trying to sort either of us early game. I think his play very much matches up with his play in Fruit Mafia

I think the way he interacted with both Gimli and May probably spews both of those slots town

I think the way Dragon reacted to being pushed comes from scum a significant amount of the time

I will try to be clear and concise: when dragon reacted emotionally to being pushed by Gimli and May, his reaction was more focused on being treated "unfairly" and being pushed for the wrong reasons rather than:

1. trying to use the push to sort Gimli or May
   
2. a natural townie reaction to having his town reads not trust him or feeling like he was in danger of being miselimmed

dragon was not in danger of being limmed and that's not what his reactions were focused on, his reactions were not focused on either gimli or may's alignment, it was feeling like the reasons for pushing him were bad and unfair

These things are empirically more likely to come from mafia than town

Literally nothing in this case makes me mafia.

in a recent game of mine, ^^^^^ this was the reaction scum gave when I cased them. further emphasis from DarthPunk was on how bad the case was and requests to actually point out what was *actually scummy* about his posts, much like DE did when Gimli called his posting bad

I can’t do anything about you thinking I’m being “performative”, that’s just how I express myself. And it seems a big unfair to assume I’m not focused on solving things, I’ve been giving this game a lot of my attention. Some things I felt more strongly about and that’s where my attention went. If things I wasn’t giving as much thought to begin to gain steam, I’m just being honest when I say I need to take a better look.

You seem to be jumping on everything I do trying to find a reason to sus me. Yeah, that’s the game, I get it, sus everyone but honestly, it’s getting a bit exhausting. I don’t even have a scum read on you, if anything, being cautious about me is normal as it would be for anyone. I didn’t think anything of it at first. I still think you’re probably more likely town but whatever problem you seem to have with me might get in the way of us working together.

in a recent game of mine, when I pushed KayJayQueue for being performative, she focused on how unfair it was to push her for that because that's just how she types and she isn't even scum reading me so why am I pushing her? this is the same thing DE was doing when he complained about how tired he was of people calling his posts bad and asking people why his posts were even *actually* bad

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to be clear, I think DE's tone was extremely towny. KJQ's tone when I pushed her in the game I quoted was extremely towny too. it's a specific type of AtE that I am weak to, I think lots of people are weak to it. but, if you put aside the emotion of it and look at the content of what DE is focusing on, it's stuff that scum focuses on over town a much greater percentage of the time

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JacksonVirgo - this is not a super confident read given KJQ has fooled me with AtE before, but i believe KJQ's frustration with Gimli was extremely town indicative. I think it only really makes sense from scum if Gimli/KJQ is the team which I find unlikely

Klick - i think he probably wants to catch me. I don't think he's ever scum with DE. I think gimli did not need to shift to town reading me when he did if he was scum. i think gimli, if scum, would not have tunneled on duelist so hard because it's just bad optics regardless of duelist's alignment

Black - i think her interactions with dragon are partnery but i think her reaction to me pushing her is probably town!black. i think everytime I've pushed her and she's been scum she's been much more conflict averse or defaulted to town reading me.

Doctor Drew - I think drew's been way more focused on the social aspects of the game than I'm used to seeing from him. i am genuinely shocked he is town reading me and i kind of doubt that doesn't come from an informed perspective

Hu Tao - hu taown

Duelist Kage - could be scum. idk. probably even more likely scum than black. after further review i think she makes some sense as a dragon partner. i just don't think it's optimal to flip her today and i can explain that tomorrow.

Cat Scratch Fever - i still think probably town, i don't think the annoyance at the deepwolf theories read like scum annoyance. i think them going from "dann is extremely towny" to "it's dann/kage" as that becomes the popular read is the type of opportunistic fluidity that only comes from town or extremely experienced scum

May - kind of need her to be town for my sanity. i think she's never scum with DE. generally, i don't think she came into the game trying to make any friends and generally has not tried to town spew herself which I think is a primary goal of her scum game. willing to town bin and reassess later if needed.

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im sorry for being braggy and a little shitty this game, in my quest to become a better mafia player, i have tried to incorporate some evil twin stuff into my gameplay thinking that some level of bravado and emotional manipulation might help my town game, maybe it does theoretically but i don't think i've hit that mark quite yet and have just made people less likely to listen to me

[Dannflor]

I keep coming back to 112 and then 203 and then 224

it just very much feels like the brand of AtE that comes from scum who desperately believes they haven't done anything scummy

This doesn't feel like a natural conclusion to take from these posts

i say this in the most respectful way possible,

I do not think it will be hard for me if I ever roll scum against you because I think you have a tendency to be very susceptible to a certain brand of tone-posting

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Oh my word, only this game I am way more focused on the social aspects of the game? Wow, that is certainly words you typed on the screen that is.....wow, that is the only word I can think of. Cause ya, normally I am all srz bizness and hyper focused on the nuts and bolts of the game, only super solvey posts from me 24/7.....lol

this feels like a dramatic misrepresentation of what i said

i know you are a social player, but i think you can't resist Playing Mafia even amidst the shit posting after a certain point as town and the level of that is way below what I'm used to seeing from you

I am not saying Drew is shitposting he must be mafia

that is not a goodfaith interpretation of my post

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so the things I have scum read about you I am trying to more give you benefit of the doubt about.....hence me saying you were giving me town pings when I first repped in.....why would you be surprised about that?

am i town pinging you or am i scum pinging you and you're trying to give me the benefit of the doubt?

it would help if you could explain the pings in more detail. i just expect treatment more like the way Hu Tao is treating me slot from you

[Dannflor]

Am I the only one in the game who doesn't know kage

i have a guess but im terrible at alt guessing

[Dannflor]

And the only time I remember you really pushing me kinda hard similar to this was when you were scum

haven't i pushed you a lot as town recently? i feel even got miselimmed for pushing you badly in that one game

[Dannflor]

if i was partners with duelist im pretty sure i would've just killed her and played the game solo by now

[Dannflor]

may when was the last time you town read me

this is a purely curiosity question i am not trying to sort your alignment

[Dannflor]

And I have played the game plenty here, at least it feels I have. I pushed May kinda hard yesterday when trying to sort her, I was questioning DK for town reading me so much, I tried to Kay invested in the game more when she was on tilt a bit. None of that is AI per se, but you are spinning a false narrative here about my play this game.

do you have a quick summary of your reads at the moment, my perception of you has been much more floaty than your perception of yourself

[Dannflor]

yes i think that's true

[Dannflor]

i wish i could put kittens in the vote count

[Dannflor]

i think the last paragraph of 203 is overly focused on a perceived inconsistency in gimli's posting

[Dannflor]

Ehat exactly is bad about my posts? Townreading Black? Townreading CSF? Not immediately locktowning you because you locktowned me? Bullshit.

and this string of questions in particular ending with "bullshit" i believe is scum indicative

[Dannflor]

look, i have a PT with duelist and some stuff happened in there that made me not want to lim her today

I think it's possible she's scum but I'm much more interested in finding a potential partner today if that's the case

and if you think duelist is scum, I honestly think drew/dragon is a good candidate with how dragon kept soft pushing duelist and duelist basically locked dragon as town despite focusing an overwhelming amount of her posting on the issues she had with dragon

[Dannflor]

Are you rly claiming at E-4 as town Dannflor

im not full claiming

[Dannflor]

I lowkey think Kage had this townread on Drew conditional on Gimli/Klick scum, so if/when Klick flips town, she can just retract that Drew townread. I feel like a partner would've found a more concrete reason for a buddy townread?

idk i feel like conditional reads are the types of reads i see exponentially more often from buddies because they give plausible deniability

[Dannflor]

Dannflor I'm gonna make you do pushups for this you think I can't make someone do pushups in a mafia game but it's possible

i claimed doctor at like e-4 as town before be thankful im not doing that

[Dannflor]

Can you backpedal and say that the pt is actually a thread for discussing speed running strategies for the Duelist class in the hit action RPG: Path of Exile, by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.

And nothing game related was discussed

yes it was this and also we're playing mountainous vanilla actually

[Dannflor]

duelist >>> black

everyone else im relatively confident about being town

[Dannflor]

in the interest of full disclosure, I am 95% confident Drew is scum

[Dannflor]

doubt i can do 23 pushups

[Dannflor]

idk i think we were pushing opposite parts of our solves

wasn't yours gimli/DE

[Dannflor]

[klick, hu tao] very confident never touch here
[may, CSF, JV] probably town but if there's a deepwolf i wash my hands
[black] mixed reviews
[duelist] scummy
[drew] i want this dead

[Dannflor]

I aware I'm probably going to be bound to see it this way but I really don't think drew's trajectory on me is towny

[Dannflor]

Okay

I will think about that, Drew

[Dannflor]

if you're town, your conception of how I should be treating you repping into the game isn't how I tend to operate

[Dannflor]

ok

[Dannflor]

i think it's pretty clear there's not enough support to eliminate you drew

why do you think that is specifically my gameplan as scum beyond blah blah WIFOM

[Dannflor]

ouch

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

I have to work, I'll think and check in this evening

[Dannflor]

Do you prefer your own elimination or Kage's

kage's duh doy

[Dannflor]

it's fine we can kill kage

I don't feel great about Drew anymore anyway

[Dannflor]

sorry if she's scum i've probably been trying to be too big brained

[Dannflor]

I don't want to talk about it May is right I shouldn't have claimed it

[Dannflor]

I mean if she's scum it's all moot

[Dannflor]

i fucked it upp

[Dannflor]

if i talk about it it doesn't matter and it only matters if we don't kill kage so if we're killing kage it's fine i just won't get like an extra 5% of EV out of my big brained plan

[Dannflor]

how can we solve this game

[Dannflor]

how May we solve this game

[Dannflor]

kage says im being opportunistic and that the only thing she’s sure of anymore is that drew is town

I am unsure why she isn’t posting this in the main thread

[Dannflor]

VOTE: duelist kage

[Dannflor]

my impudence is unmatched

[Dannflor]

It makes sense as a ploy to have both live to day 2

what exactly would be the point of this

[Dannflor]

Living to Day 2 means being in 5-2 instead of 6-1 which is good for obvious reasons

I do not get why that’s good

That’s not limlo

[Dannflor]

ah yes

[Dannflor]

truly one of the mafia games of all time

[Dannflor]

VOTE: drew

[Dannflor]

Do you have any thoughts on May, Klick

[Dannflor]

I'm not any better at reading May I just pretend to

[Dannflor]

if I'm honest Klick your play thus far is much more in line with what I expect from scum!you than town!you, you seem less relaxed (or like, more careful?) in your posting than I'm used to and I know you've talked about having anxiety playing scum in recent years

[Dannflor]

i don’t see why i would ever realistically choose this angle of play as hypothetical scum with kage

I do not think the intangible thread control benefit of making it to day 2 with 2 scum alive is worth the hole i’d be digging for myself right now

[Dannflor]

Ok but remember when Klick like waltzed into the thread and played Boss's Orders and Dannflor cowered

It was epic and probably not a scumKlick thing right

I have an extremely bad habit of lock towning rep-ins who scum case me

[Dannflor]

if I'm honest Klick your play thus far is much more in line with what I expect from scum!you than town!you, you seem less relaxed (or like, more careful?) in your posting than I'm used to and I know you've talked about having anxiety playing scum in recent years

Then why is no one voting Klick. Idgi

I think gimli was towny

my thoughts on klick are mixed but there are a number of external factors that could be impacting his posting

[Dannflor]

Where are your reads at, black

[Dannflor]

I think May is town for 1127 but also lots of other posts like it

nothing she’s done has really helped her own position i think she just wants to be right

[Dannflor]

yeah maybe you’re scum with me

[Dannflor]

Write my partner some final anti-associative posts while i bus and play and solo

Or maybe like hard town read and defense and claim stupidity if my partner ended up flipping scum

Idk I feel there are a multitude of better pathways that would both be more intuitive and easier to play than… whatever hedgey gambit this would be

[Dannflor]

I want to ask about JV tier

[Dannflor]

cracking up in the grocery store

[Dannflor]

eggs and chocolate brownie thunder ice cream

just the essentials

[Dannflor]

I mean I think if duelist is scum she’s being bussed and is fully expecting to die today

she’s not exactly trying to stay alive vanity pushing CSF

[Dannflor]

no

[Dannflor]

every time i got emotional in thread i instantly felt bad about it

[Dannflor]

i dont want to fight with drew about how horrible of a town player i am

[Dannflor]

i made my case and no one not named May wanted to listen to me

I think I’ve tried a lot of things this day phase that have just blown up and not really helped anyone

I’m trying to be more collaborative now

[Dannflor]

It’s why im willing to just kill duelist even though i increasingly dont really think she flips scum

It’s why im happy to just let you talk to drew

[Dannflor]

VOTE: kage

[Dannflor]

i think black is my biggest town read other than hu tao

[Dannflor]

i don't really think it's drew anymore either

[Dannflor]

i didn't act last night

[Dannflor]

I'm not scum

[Dannflor]

also VT

[Dannflor]

well I thought CSF was scum coming in to today

don't think it makes sense for her to gambit/claim/whatever she's doing as scum in her position, she doesn't need that to kill me

[Dannflor]

i guess may is the obvious answer that i don't want to be true

[Dannflor]

pooky townn

[Dannflor]

counter claim im ascetic forgot to claim it earlier

[Dannflor]

that was a joke only may and datisi will appreciate

[Dannflor]

I'll wait for hu tao to claim

[Dannflor]

the PT was with duelist kage and hu tao for the record

[Dannflor]

Wait no one died

may did you do this to me

[Dannflor]

i think you can just claim hu tao

[Dannflor]

PookyTheMagicalBear - four shot non consecutive even night bulletproof miller cop also strongwilled also GPS guided
Dannflor - neighbor
Klick - VT
Black - VT
Doctor Drew - ?
Hu Tao - neighbor ?
Duelist Kage - mafia neighbor
Cat Scratch Fever - roleblocker?
May - unknown invest with a clear on Drew?