Well... which is it?In post 2164, HighPrincessErinys wrote:In post 2161, Black wrote: Do you still think StD is lying? Or do you think he is Gimli's follower?
Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!
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There's literally no reason for a follower to claim there though. You really buy StD's "boring" reason? Instead of just getting limmed and winning he wants us to search for Kira? Really?In post 2172, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I'm not sure if he's Kira who folded under pressure or follower trying to make us overthinkIn post 2170, KawaiiKame wrote:
You think that's STD's claim?In post 2167, Kokichi Oma wrote: Anyway, I was expecting a follower to claim follower/Kira today and cause chaos and make us overthink stuff.-
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Kira claims follower to make townies doubt putting their vote on him. You are my prime exampleIn post 2175, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Lets think this through. Why would Kira claim follower with 2 votes on him? Especially which how much this group goes in circles for 50 pages. Unless this is just something StD does normally, then he could very well be Kira.In post 2169, Black wrote: This was Kira claiming follower though. Bet you didn't expect that!-
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You could still be a follower ig, but I think it's HPE-
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Not if more people like you overthink this...In post 2176, Kokichi Oma wrote: Read what you said, isn't this basically what's happening though? He's going to be limmed. If he really is follower then he gets what he wants.-
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The follower could have won anyways if he didn't claim followerIn post 2185, Kokichi Oma wrote: I just don't want to have spent a 70 page day 1 for us to lose to a follower trolling is all-
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Ok, then you should go through and see who StD's Kira might be if you believe him. I don't believe him, so I'm chilling-
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Look at where he claimed. Right after Gimli and I cased him. lol. It's OBVIOUS what he was trying to stop us from doingIn post 2188, Kokichi Oma wrote: This group takes 70 pages and votes everyone. It's possible this was his plan right away to do something to stop us from doing that before we actually vote kira.-
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StD claimed follower and tried to clear himself with his ability right after Gimli and I made valid associative arguments tying him to a confirmed follower. And his reason was "this is boring"
This was a blatant deflect attempt and it's working-
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I've thought about the possibility of him telling the truth and I've already said I'm willing to take that risk. I'm willing to lose that way. I'm not spending 4 more days picking through the thread trying to see who StD's Kira might be when it's probably just him anywayIn post 2191, Kokichi Oma wrote: We can just vote StD anyway. I just wanted to make you think-
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I've found Kira. If you don't believe me then you can present me your cases-
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Could you spend a few minutes explaining how StD works as a Gimli follower at least?In post 2197, Kokichi Oma wrote: Gut feeling says Gimli, but I agree that I don't want to spend 60 pages figuring it out. So I'm fine with StD-
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I would go out on a limb and say that StD claiming a follower at the time that he did would be against the rules if he actually was a follower. Maybe someone with more site knowledge can tell me if I'm wrong?
If we assume StD is telling the truth here then the game was steering toward a Kira win after Gimli figured him out and I caught on. Him claiming to get people to unvote him and basically clear himself from the Kira PoE would be actively working against his win condition. What if town then digs through the thread and lims Kira in this scenario? Everyone would just be cool with StD losing the game for Kira because he was bored?
Idk how this all works but this just can't be right-
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Ok I wasn't sure. Ty for the clarifications-
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HPE sent the message anonymously to try to persuade the town to vote Gimli. Then snapped defended StD the moment someone suspected him-
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Btw I poked holes all throughout HPE's case why StD can't be Kira. And also find it weird that HPE thought StD was lying about the follower claim at first?
It's these two. And it has to be StD Kira imo-
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Yeah I think you should probably get MVP but I still hate you for pushing my detective to deathIn post 2209, Gimli wrote: gimli redemption ark imo
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If you are right here then serious props to you Gimli. I wouldn't have gotten out of my tunnel if you didn't point out that HPE could be a follower-
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Here's the timeline of StD's claim btw. He was under serious pressure here as a Kira suspect. This was his last hail mary.
Kira Fakeclaims Follower
#2014 - I say Gimli could be right about StD and declare my intent to dig through the thread
Spoiler: #2014
#2016 - StD immediately responds and asks me why I think it's him. He doesn't want me to go through the thread
Spoiler: #2016
#2019 - I tell StD that I just think it could be him and want to look deeper
Spoiler: #2019
#2020 - StD immediately responds and asks if I have any thoughts about the current Gimli/StD conversation. Definitely doesn't want me to go through the thread. Instead he wants me to look at a conversation where he's using a meta argument to towncase himself
Spoiler: #2020
#2041 - Kawaii says he will case StD after I asked him to
Spoiler: #2041
#2047 and #2048 - Meg says there is room for StD Kira and puts him in her Kira PoE
Spoiler: #2047, #2048
#2059 - Gimli narrows down his list of Kira candidates and basically reaches the conclusion it's StD
Spoiler: #2059
#2061 - I make my associative case between Vander and StD
Spoiler: #2061
#2065 - I break down HPE's case on why StD can't be Kira. Keep in mind that HPE has walked back most of this case of his in recent posts. Strong indication HPE is StD's follower
Spoiler: #2065
#2067 - I vote for StD
#2068 - StD immediately responds and starts the counterclaim process. He was reading along as the pressure grew right in front of his eyes
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Unofficial vote count:
With8votes in play, it takes5to execute someone.
Save The Dragons(5): Gimli, Black, Save The Dragons, HighPrincessErinys, Kokichi Oma
Gimli(1): MegAzumarill
Not Voting(2): KawaiiKame, Not_Mafia
Deadline:(expired on 2023-03-21 04:33:23).
Grace Period: No one can be hammered for (expired on 2023-03-14 04:33:23)
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I can maybe see Kokichi as an StD follower but I haven't put much thought into itIn post 2220, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Literally shaking with glee for when this flips and everyone finds out this one is town.-
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Not in my eyes. We win with an StD flipIn post 2216, MegAzumarill wrote: I would prefer us not go to grace period. We have more to discuss here it feels like.-
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I would love to hear more from you and N_M possibly but he has a lot of reading to do I think-
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It wasn't kawaii right? He used his ability on HPE overnightIn post 2242, Gimli wrote: if this ability was used by kira, it makes no sense cause its gamethrow, since the std flip serves kira's wincon
std can't have the ability himself cause he already had another ability
hpe can't be the one with the ability since she already has another ability
I rly hope it wasn't kawaiikame but whoever did this is confirmed not kira
I'm guessing Meg used the ability because she said we have more to talk about
Either way I think it's silly and I thought I was going to wake up to a victory screen-
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Whatever townie used this to save Kira is going to hear it from me postgameThis ability will be used automatically, if you have undeniable proof that player is on your side.-
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Kira doesn't have this skill though
If HPE really is town then Meg or Kokichi could have used it to save their Kira-
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Kira does but I think Kira is StD and he already used his skill-
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So if HPE is town then this probably came from Meg or Kokichi as StD's other follower-
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I feel like we should probably skill claim at this point to see who did this-
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Me - incognito
Gimli - Clingy
StD - I'm Not Kira
Kawaii - investigate thingy
HPE - send message
Meg - ???
Kokichi - ???
N_M - ???-
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You never got to prove clingy but I don't see why you would do this unless you're StD's follower
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What's your skill?In post 2256, Kokichi Oma wrote: Who did that ability?-
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Wait, doesn't the JK ability block night abilities like the Death Note?In post 2258, Kokichi Oma wrote: I'm the jail keeper, which is unfortunate. Kira used the death note-
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Me - incognito
Gimli - Clingy
StD - I'm Not Kira
Kawaii - investigate thingy
HPE - send message
Meg - ???
Kokichi - Go to Jail
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"Write" is a night action. And JK protects people from night actions. You didn't target mala did you? Are you the other follower?-
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Ahhh, it can get you everywhere. I missed that-
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You don't have to be mean about it, I just missed it-
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So then I'm guessing it was just Meg with the time ability yeah. I don't think N_M uses that here based on what I've seen from him and heard about him-
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If HPE is town then Meg makes sense as an StD follower-
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Who is Kira in this scenario?In post 2274, Kokichi Oma wrote: Or meg is town and std follower-
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HPE only voted for him after Gimli pointed out that it should be voting for him if it was KiraIn post 2277, Kokichi Oma wrote: HPE went from hard townread on StD to just voting him no problem which i find interesting
I saw that as HPE trying to play it off like he's Kira-
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Yeah but HPE's initial reaction to StD's claim was that he's lying lolIn post 2278, Gimli wrote:
He hardclaimed scumIn post 2277, Kokichi Oma wrote: HPE went from hard townread on StD to just voting him no problem which i find interesting-
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I think we were just wondering if town Meg or scum Meg used itIn post 2290, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Don't know why everyone is also postulating "WellifHPE is town then Meg used the ability..." when you already know my ability for certain.-
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Agree with all of thisIn post 2293, Gimli wrote: if NM has this ability, I don't think he uses it.
if meg has this ability, I think she might use it, but not coming here to say anything afterwards is bad.
if either is kira, the ability wouldn't be used.
if either is a follower and std is kira, the ability is used automatically.
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Agree with that also honestly. When it said it can't wait for postgame when it gets revealed as town made me reconsider
I think it's Meg and I think she used her ability to try and save StD-
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Kinda thinking that Vander and StD didn't really have to claim when they did and that Kira would probably have just won if they didn't-
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Also thinking that if it is StD here then Gimli should get credit for a) putting us in this situation and b) getting us out of it
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We still need one more vote on StD-
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So you think StD claimed follower because he was bored with winning the easy way?In post 2310, Kokichi Oma wrote: VOTE: HPE
I'll vote who I think it is, that way if we lose it's not on me-
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You don't think he was lying to make us question voting for him? That's a Kira move btw. A follower doesn't make that move unless you really believe him about being bored. Why would you believe scum here?-
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I laid out the timeline. Two people suspected him and two others were open to the idea and actively going to case him. That's 4, and the claim came right after all 4 showed interest in StD being KiraIn post 2315, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I don't see the motivation for him to do it as Kira when only 2 people suspected him.In post 2312, Black wrote:
So you think StD claimed follower because he was bored with winning the easy way?In post 2310, Kokichi Oma wrote: VOTE: HPE
I'll vote who I think it is, that way if we lose it's not on me
He was under heavy accusations of being Kira when he claimed-
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You see the motivation to claim as follower but not Kira? What??-
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There's less motivation for a follower to claim here Kokichi and you are choosing to believe that being bored with winning the game is valid motivation. I don't get it-
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