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VOTE: hebichan Enough is enough! I have had it with these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday through Friday starship!-
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You got it! Now where are all the others? Don't make me call a red alert!In post 22, hebichan wrote: Pretty sure it was established I'm a starship infesting snake.
You're fine, it's the early game, you can wait at least a few days to develop a character trait like that.In post 23, Black wrote: VOTE: Kokichi
I have decided I will not be using contractions this game
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I wish I could wake up confused tomorrow instead of right now.
Clearly I need people I can banter with too. *scans player list* Black! Kawaii! Wavelength! I demand that you engage in banter with me using our incredible history of playing in one game with me so we can confuse the others!-
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Also you're probably part of this animal coalition I'm hearing so much about and I'm not clear on how that relates to me. Maybe I'm secretly a member of it.-
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Is that why you're in such a hurry to wagon hebi?
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Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until your birthday to get it then? Why are you demanding early birthday wishes?-
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I'm starting to think it's literally impossible for me to not roll town.In post 95, Black wrote:
I do not remember you being this demanding in our game and the Aureal I know and love would give the milk his birthday present. Did you roll wolf this game?In post 82, Aureal wrote: Clearly I need people I can banter with too. *scans player list* Black! Kawaii! Wavelength! I demand that you engage in banter with me using our incredible history of playing in one game with me so we can confuse the others!
Why would I not want to help eliminate hebi if I was a wolf- is she a wolf?-
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In post 100, hebichan wrote:
UNVOTE: rogueVOTE: aurealIn post 93, Aureal wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until your birthday to get it then? Why are you demanding early birthday wishes?
I encourage everyone in the animal coalition to get on these actually awful posts.
I realize you've probably had people use the meme at you like dozens of times but it's new and unique here because I said starship instead of plane, see?-
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Wait, so you're saying if I hydra I'm allowed to be bad?In post 122, hebichan wrote: For me it's Frogs than aureal but Frogs says they have reads and there's a hydra bad post qouta that I allow for.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Didn't you say in 41 that you'd shoot her if you were a vig? Which I believe is part of the reason she's been scumreading you?In post 153, hebichan wrote: I'll take the deal. I don't have any interest in you dying. Barring you flipping scum of course, but I don't think you will?-
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I need to learn how to have this attitude and get away with it.In post 160, Kokichi Oma wrote: I usually skip RVS stuff since I don't like it, so i get other's opinions from them-
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In post 194, GreyICE wrote: Hmmm, well we must all keep our townreads close to our chest it appears. Presumably so when we beat our chest we hit them first.
So lets propose a compromise and band together on a wagon we both like. So who should we pick, and why is it xyzzy?
VOTE: xyzzy
Hey! I'm trying to vanity wagon here, do you mind???
BTW Black, why did you refer to GreyICE as "milk", is this some reference I'm not getting?-
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I am very blamable, it's true. Can't fault you for that.
No read of your own? Are they in charge of this game?In post 211, Black wrote:
LLD and Grey seem to think soIn post 204, Aureal wrote: Why would I not want to help eliminate hebi if I was a wolf- is she a wolf?
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I think xyzzy is milk. Whoever has the crying milk pfp which might not be visible on mobile I just realizedIn post 213, Aureal wrote: BTW Black, why did you refer to GreyICE as "milk", is this some reference I'm not getting?
Oh, right, that's who I meant. I'm confusing myself here since I hadn't actually seen that avatar since last night when I replied and I was using my phone then so it probably didn't even really register with how small avatars are there.-
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In post 217, Black wrote:
How is "I like this a lot" a town post?In post 177, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
it's this post, to be clear.In post 24, Black wrote:
I like this a lotIn post 21, Rogue wrote: Also known as Rogue. I’m the pretty one not to be confused with Gambit who’s the handsome devil.
Also, wow it's 2 posts not 5, lmfao. That's actually incredible I was so high last night.
Anyway, the read is still the case. This is a town post.
I'm confused about that too. Does liking X-Men references have some strange connection to alignment here? I know Sir Patrick Stewart is awesome and all but...
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I gave a hebi read in 132In post 218, Aureal wrote: No read of your own? Are they in charge of this game?
Okay, so why bring LLD and Grey up when I asked without referring to your own read?-
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In post 220, PenguinPower wrote: This was a real question btw
In post 97, PenguinPower wrote:
Why are you in such a hurry to destroy the beauty of competing wagons?In post 91, Aureal wrote: Is that why you're in such a hurry to wagon hebi?
UNVOTE: hebi, VOTE: xyzzy
I'm not a speed-player. Big wagons early on make me nervous about the day ending too fast and leaving us a mess to sort out after. I don't think someone needs to be at e-2 before we've even gotten a post from all the players. There could be some merit to the hebi wagon but we've got lots of time to sort things out yet.-
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In post 262, KawaiiKame wrote:In post 251, Wavelength wrote:
Interestingly, 2nd place is probably Black for 211, but I don't know that the two slots make sense together on a cursory glance.
VOTE: black
This all Black said in this post, why does this scum ping you? Feels pretty innocent to me-unless semi sheeping is scummy to youIn post 211, Black wrote:
LLD and Grey seem to think soIn post 204, Aureal wrote: Why would I not want to help eliminate hebi if I was a wolf- is she a wolf?
I can't speak for Wavelength, but bringing up other people made me a little concerned about Black because in the game we played together, early on she kept referring to me. "Aureal, do you think this is X? Aureal what do you think about Y?" Nobody ever wantsmyopinion that much, so I started to wonder if she was scum trying to hide behind me. Turns out, she was!
On the other hand, I read that DN game and her playstyle doesn't seem noticeably different there as town than the game I played with her. I feel like her style is not far off from how I play, she's just a lot better at it. So I'm also concerned that Frogs could be wrongly 'pinged' by all those Black posts because I know my style can easily ping veterans who have certain expectations on how scum will play.
So, still hoping Black is town, I think Porkens made some decent points on her, but going to keep an eye on her. A closer eye than last game when I let her get away, sigh.-
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In post 280, Porkens wrote: As others have noted, xyzzy's hop onto hebichan's wagon slightly smacks of distancing. I agree that if hebichan is scum, xyzzy is partner-leaning.
I don't see a town motivated reason why Aureal unvotes hebichan in 91. At that point, I don't have a strong townread on hebichan. Aureal doesn't express one either. Why not wagon hebichan? Someone at Y-2 is kinda the end of RVS in my opinion, but Aureal seems to be sticking with goofiness at that point. Regardless of hebichan's alignment, I scumread Aureal for this. hebi's omgus vote on aureal is bad too.
Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying I'm scum with hebi for getting off her wagon and xyzzy is scum with her for taking the spot that I had just vacated?
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Most uncoordinated scum team ever?-
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Hi!In post 285, xyzzy wrote: 224 is pretty silly. E-2 is, as a matter of fact, not the same thing as E-0. there are situations where putting the game at E-2 as town would be incredibly reckless and would be a reason to read me as scum. that wasn't one.
Feel free to think it's silly.
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In post 357, GreyICE wrote: Because unless the scum are the borg, one of you can do one thing and one another. Do you strike you as the sort of person to coordinate RVS?
I can't coordinate RVS, I don't have anyone to coordinate with. I have no idea if it's more common than now. But scum get to talk at any time in a PT, right? Seems like the sort of thing one would talk about there would it? Trying to imagine how that would look. "Hey guys I'm an RVS vote on hebi and now it's E-2 so I'm getting off." "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU FOOOOOOOL NOW I'VE GOTTA TAKE YOUR PLACE SO WE CAN BUS THIS RVS WAGON THAT WON'T LOOK SUSPICIOUS AT ALL"-
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So I gotta ask. What exactly is protown about this willingness to pressure?
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In post 337, hebichan wrote: Porkens is my most confident scumread. Your flip would be more interesting. You flipping town always results in me voting porken tomorrow, you flipping scum would likely make porkens town cause why buddy so close to a scum partner.
I don't follow the logic here at all. If you think one is town and one is scum, shouldn't you want to vote for the one you're most confident about?-
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Um, a little bit, yes? Like I said? It's probably overreacting, but it gave me pause.In post 369, Black wrote: I see where you are coming from but did you really get this vibe from my LLD/Grey comment?
That was pocketing? Darnit, I've now announced to everyone here nowYou asked me if hebi is a wolf and since I'm not sure I referred to the experts' opinions. In the newbie game I tried to pocket you but I do not see that here with this commentnotto pocket me.
Wait, nobody was going to do that anyway.
In post 370, Black wrote: I have not been able to read Aureal very well this game though. She seems to be playing more loose? than when we last played... I think is the best way to describe it. She seems less tense but I am not sure if this is AI or not
I am not a big fan of her 359 where she implies she does not know for sure how the scum PT works. Aureal, how many games have you played scum here and do you have a scum game you could link me?
I feel like I shouldn't be very easy to read, particularly early on!
But I haven't rolled scum since 2006, maybe I will be if that ever happens, who the heck knows? I don't think those games are going to be very helpful in figuring anything out about me, though they could be interesting in other ways as a testament to how much games have changed since then. We didn't have PTs then; and no I'm not 100% sure how the scum PT here works, I'm assuming they have daytalk because that's the norm but now that I look at the game rules to actually confirm, it says nothing about how PTs work. So I'm still assuming daytalk but that's just an assumption; becuse hey, maybe ffery wanted to use an encryptor role or something- this is a theme game with possibly weird mechanics.-
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Just different terms for the same thing so far as I know.In post 382, Black wrote: I think? Either pocketing or buddying. I am not even really sure what the difference is tbh
These things happen when you get a job and don't have time to play anymore and then 16 years later you realize you need something else to do and wonder if that Mafia site you used to hang out on is still around...An almost 20 year dry spell on rolling scum? What the heck...-
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What exactly is "numerical parity with all other teams"? All others put together I would think? Not parity with both town and mafia separately?
And this neighborize former Borg thing doesn't actually add people to your faction?-
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How does a survivorfactioneven work? Is this a thing that can actually happen? Does the whole faction win if one of them is alive at the end? How does numerical parity factor in then? Do they win early if there's say, 2 of them and 1 town and 1 mafia? I am so confused.
In post 441, Wavelength wrote:two of my 3 choices were borg, and I did not get either of them
I'm so mad
Hmmmm. I guess that gives some additional credibility to this faction's existence.
HOW THE HELL MANY BORG CHARACTERS ARE THERE EVEN GEEZ-
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In post 462, Wavelength wrote: I requested the borg queen and seven of nine, and got neither.
I would not be surprised if someone is out there that is Picard, and falls under a "borg / used to be borg" title. (I could even see this as the 3rd both in the borg faction that Hebi did not think was borg in flavor for what its worth)
But I don't think I could name a single other borg off the top of my head?
Yeah, Hugh is the only other one I can think of, and who the hell would pick Hugh the one-appearance character?
I blame all you people making Borg picks for this insanity.-
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For finding a 3p faction based on your personal history with them?In post 504, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: also I'm getting fuckin' turbo shot this game btw
so if anyone picked fucking Bones and wants to save my ass tonight I'd love that
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What if she's mafia who thought there was a 3P and that's why she went all-out on hebi? Wouldn't mafia want to figure out the 3P, maybe even moreso than town who's just clueless to its existence?-
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Why would you think that?-
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Uhhhhhhh. That post. I came back here to muse about what Grey's "I'm probably a miller" claim meant in context of there being a 3P which LLD suspects he belongs to. And now you remind us of this post where he comments about the borg. My head is spinning.In post 534, xyzzy wrote: 357 fwiw, in response to GreyICE a post or two later, if someone asked me to coordinate RVS like that as scum, I'd probably be like "sure, whatever, let's do it," but I would never originate a plan like that on my own
So you just grab a random wagon, try to drive it up really high really fast, and hope nothing bad happens? Is this your normal playstyle?358 for the record, I wasn't dodging the question so much as being dismissive of it. that being said, to me the function of RVS is to create tension that can be shaped into reads. voting in a way that creates tension pushes the game in the direction of having things actually happen. jumping on the hebichan wagon turns that wagon into a Thing The Game Is About, which in turn lets people generate reads.
359 don't love this! reads very youth pastor trying to be cool with the teens in a scummy way
Hey now! Scumread me if you want, but I draw the line at calling me a "youth pastor"!
381 I don't care for the "that was pocketing?" comment. on the one hand I'd be willing to believe that Aureal genuinely isn't sure whether daytalk is a default thing or how PTs work. on the other hand I still get such bad vibes from 359, and this doesn't really mitigate those.
Is it on the site somewhere that it's a default thing??? I'm not even sure where to look for that! It seems extremely common but my experience could be misdirecting me. Many games explicitly state that mafia can communicate at all times- it's required to be stated for Normal games according to the Encryptor wiki page, and I've only played Normals and Opens.
Why are we even arguing about this??
Are you saying that because you think she's right or wrong or just the way she says it?517 changed my mind from 406. this is town LLD-
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In post 541, Rogue wrote: Aureal have you played recent games? Iirc you said you’ve been on site for a while
I played regularly for a year in 2005-2006 and came back in December. So yes, played some recent games and still struggling in some ways with the new meta.-
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In post 582, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Wanna claim?In post 581, xyzzy wrote:
eliminating hebichan here as policy doesn't give us useful info for day 2. if we later have reason to believe hebichan is lying scum, we can circle back around to that. if we eliminate town on day 1, that's obviously bad, but it gives us a wealth of information that eliminating a claimed survivor does not. the drawback of going into day 2 with less to work with is far greater than the "at least we didn't lose a town player" moral victory, especially because it doesn't stop us from getting closer to a scum win.
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That would mean they didn't pay much attention at all to the game design, which made it pretty clear that role flavor was assigned then alignment randomized. So we could have a scum team of the most heroic good guys ever.In post 584, xyzzy wrote: tbh I don't make anything of that post. I can definitely imagine someone just assuming the scum in this game are borg-flavored without any basis for that assumption other than it being an obvious idea.
the latter.Are you saying that because you think she's right or wrong or just the way she says it?
Are you familiar with her and meta-reading that?
My scumreads are turning into townreads. *ponder*
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DAMMIT ALISAE-
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Not a fan of LLD's going from "found an unknown faction" to 'faction is definitely scum' when hebi's flip did nothing to change the information we had gotten from her. Also not a fan of her thinking a miller should trip a motion detector.
Not a fan of Grey thinking the possible unknown aspect of the role meant miller.
Still thinking about whether any of this is scummy or just infuriating.
I guess hebi's faction makes sense as mafia where only specific members can kill. And that's why she gets to inherit their power if they die. It's freaking weird though. Why did she claim all this crap that makes her faction look worse if they're actually the mafia faction? Why didn't she just leave it at being a survivor? I'm so confused still.-
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In post 803, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
they can't win with town did you read the winconIn post 802, Porkens wrote: Can someone explain to me why Hebi's partners wouldn't out if they can win with town?
I've spent too much time searching other games to look at how win conditions are written and I'm tired of it so I'm going to just choose to believe this for now. If therewasanother faction that was mafia and we eliminated them all, hebi's faction would possibly still need to kill off townies to win; say there were three town left and the assumed two Black Ops so they would have to get one of the townies killed somehow.
VOTE: Porkens
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BTW Grey, why did you claim on demand from LLD?
In post 763, Wavelength wrote: Thinking about how Hebis ability to know all of our secret lines would work, the only thing that really makes sense to me is a list of
This flavor= This secret
Unless it is something silly like, whoops we all have the same thing.
So, that role looks like a way for scum to "punishment" us for claiming flavor for no reason, so the claims that have happened today, probably should not have included flavor.
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In post 811, Kokichi Oma wrote: This game has slowed down a bit. Anyone want to explain any reads?
Kokichi: obviously plays to intentionally be null doing obviously unhelpful things like asking others to do helpful things without doing so himself and thus will probably forever be null waiting for PoE to come for him-
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Peng, how much attention are you paying to this game?
Wave, I still have no idea what you're getting at. Are you saying that you think hebi had more information on our possible secret role aspects than we do?-
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Yeah, the answer was in the post you quoted. Hence asking how much attention you're paying the game. Also because you apparently forgot that you were voting xyzzy D1 and decided to do it again as if it was something new.In post 828, PenguinPower wrote:
100% attention now. Not so much before today...my typical D1 strategy was foiled by scum claiming scum.In post 826, Aureal wrote: Peng, how much attention are you paying to this game?
Wave, I still have no idea what you're getting at. Are you saying that you think hebi had more information on our possible secret role aspects than we do?
I notice you didn't answer my question though.-
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I think it's reasonably clear from the end that null is null and I have little hope that Kokichi is going to do anything to change that.In post 832, PenguinPower wrote:
how is this an answer to my question? playing to intentionally be null doesn't answer whether or not you find it scummyIn post 818, Aureal wrote:In post 811, Kokichi Oma wrote: This game has slowed down a bit. Anyone want to explain any reads?
Kokichi: obviously plays to intentionally be null doing obviously unhelpful things like asking others to do helpful things without doing so himself and thus will probably forever be null waiting for PoE to come for him-
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In post 833, PenguinPower wrote:
My D1 votes are almost always for wagons unless I find something to actually latch on to so the fact that I actually have something is new.In post 831, Aureal wrote: Also because you apparently forgot that you were voting xyzzy D1 and decided to do it again as if it was something new.
So what exactly is that 'something' you have?
Also, this is the second time you've accused me of not answering questions you asked me even though your questions were pretty easily seen as rhetorical/already answered. I noticed you asked Porkens a more substantial question D1 and he doesn't seem to have answered- are you going to follow up and accuse him of not answering your question?-
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In post 835, Kokichi Oma wrote: You mean how I called Black being obvious town right away and wanting hebichan hammered as being unhelpful? Right.
Right! You helped cut D1 needlessly short and now Black is dead because you didn't freaking want to talk anymore. Did you really think Alisae would drop her scumread because a couple people said "eh, she's town"? Pretty damn unhelpful.-
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Lol, I think 4 was pretty foreseeable. During night I certainly thought "gosh I hope Alisae isn't a vig because she's totally going to shoot Black I'd she is!"-
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I'm trying to figure out your alignment. And others. Like Porkens, who also has not answered a question I asked him D1.-
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In post 360, Aureal wrote:
So I gotta ask. What exactly is protown about this willingness to pressure?
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In post 848, Porkens wrote:In post 846, Aureal wrote: So I gotta ask. What exactly is protown about this willingness to pressure?
Or is willingness to pressure just inherently protown in your view?
On day one willingness to build pressure on a wagon I think, shows a town mindset as scum prefer to lurk and linger without commuting votes to the record.
So the second one, then.
I think that's a weird mindset and runs counter to what I usually experience. I'd just expect people throwing a bunch of votes on someone for no real reason to lead to arguments about why people want to put votes on someone for no real reason.
In post 851, Wavelength wrote: Aureal, did you think that Black was obviously town day 1?
Not obviously, I had reservations at first, but especially after Alisae started elaborating on her read I decided they were probably both town.
And I reallyhopedData was town, too. Nobody wants a Mafia Data.-
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The oink-oink who's voting me and thinks wagon pressure is good is complaining about it being scummy for someone else to vote me? Does anyone understand this train of thought?-
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Wave: why do you have LLD topping your list as Town?
Peng: I guess I'll be the one to ask then, why DID you vote Wave?-
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Yes, I don't disagree that catching out hebi was towny. But towny enough to just get classified as town straight up? Even she said that she should be expected to continue catching scum, and right now she's not pushing anything.
How do you feel about Grey's shifting position on LLD? He went from thinking she'd be town if hebi was scum, to worrying that it was a soft bus, to apparently figuring she was towny enough to claim upon demand to (still waiting for an answer to my question about that), to deciding that she's scum for asking for the claim.
... I'm trying to remember why I kinda ended up town leaning him when I last pondered this because reviewing his ISO just makes me hate it all again.-
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In post 878, Wavelength wrote: Like 581 did not work to stop Hebi's elim, it was never going to work to stop Hebi's elim, and actually all it did was give a reason for people to point and say "Look over there! xyzzy tried to save scum Hebi"
And I feel like xyzzy partnered with Hebi realizes this.
So that leads me to conclude this was his actual process of trying to work through a survivor claim.
Definitely agree with this. I liked xyzzy's willingness to put their own thoughts out there on how to process things even though it risked making them a target because omghebiobvscumkillnow!!
In post 897, Wavelength wrote: I think that the reasons to think that LLD is not a member of the Black Ops, so far are greater then the reasons to think anyone else is town in this game. So yeah, she gets to live in her own little tier above the rest.
Fair. I still have reservations. Like I still really did not care for the way she tried to direct protectives to her, it felt like an assertion of authority rather than actually trying to convince people- if I'm a protective there I'm not convinced to protect her. And all the jockeying with Grey leaves me feeling weird, like they're both working together, which of course they are given their relationship, and it's hard to tell where that ends and possible in-game-relationship could begin.
I didn't like it.How do you feel about Grey's shifting position on LLD?
Seeing as you've explained what Grey was probably doing in claiming, does it not feel reasonable for him to be upset that she demanded a claim because she got a negative on a motion detector? An unaware miller in a closed setup who triggers a motion detector despite not having a night action sounds pretty bastard setup and this isn't one.
Also, why did you think Grey would need time to fake the title part of his role name if scum? Only the affiliation at the end would be different, the middle part is clearly just a descriptor of the character.-
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In post 899, Porkens wrote: I’m not feeling wave scum at all.
Wow, what a difference a day makes. Really, your entire basis for scumreading Wave was thinking he had a couple more votes on him than he actually did and thus he shouldn't be allowed to vote your scumread?
On the other hand, we should wagon Aureal.
Didn't you say like three days ago that you were going to explain that idea 'tomorrow'? I think Wave just might be right about what you're doing.-
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In post 900, xyzzy wrote: I'm on the record saying I'm leaning town for LLD, but I don't think scum reading her is evidence of Aureal scum. I'm gonna take some time later on to reread Aureal, because I don't have much of a read right now, but that piece of info alone isn't enough to sway me.
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I'm not scumreading LLD. I'm... I guess townleaning her, but with some big frustrations and I want to make sure she just isn't getting a free pass to lead a scum win. I don't want people to stop paying attention to what she's doing. I'm aware of her reputation for being very good at scum.-
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In post 915, Wavelength wrote: I can actually respond to this now, because the other game just ended.
LLD and I were in another game, that had a miller, and they died before this game started, and it was worded as such:
So no, I don't think that her being in the mindset that a miller might show up to a motion detector is too odd.In post 1307, SirCakez wrote: you will appear as mafia to any investigations and as visiting anyone who dies each night.
Oh geez, that game, lol. I didn't look back at the earlier game to see that stuff but I did run across it while trying to research the parity win condition and got way too distracted reading your clash with Pink Ball. I probably would've fallen for his claim but looks like you were the Mafia there and thus had a bit of a different perspective, eh? So maybe I should be be a little wary of you after all.
I think there's still a pretty big difference between that role which clearly states how it is shown to night actions, and this idea of a hidden miller who trips not just standard investigations but things like motion detector as well. According to the wiki on Miller, an unaware Miller in a closed setup could be considered bastardly, and this would be even worse.
LLD, why did you choose Grey as your night action target?-
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In post 916, Wavelength wrote:
If scum, he would first have to figure out why I am even asking him, and then make up an appropriate response. So I would expect a delay.
But a delay can also mean "walked away from computer." So a very quick response would be town indicative, a slow response does not mean a lot.
Yes but as LLD pointed out earlier, he shouldn't have to make up anything, unless he was totally fibbing about which character he was I guess but why would he do that? Hebi also had a flavor description in the middle. I expect he's got that vorta thing as his flavor regardless of whether it's followed by Temporal Alliance or something else. They're not all going to be Borg Liasons, that's got to be specific to Seven.-
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....In post 921, Wavelength wrote:
I do not believe that there is a single player who thinks that this is a thing that exists in this game, and I do not know why you are even debating it tbhIn post 919, Aureal wrote: this idea of a hidden miller who trips not just standard investigations but things like motion detector as well
Because LLD thought it was a thing that could exist. Which you agreed was reasonable.-
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Also because as Porkens alluded just now, hardly anyone is doing anything so you're kinda stuck with whatever dumb shit is going through my head until the other two thirds of the players decide to wake up. Is everyone just waiting for LLD to do something?! This is not a healthy game state.-
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Grey did not claim miller though. He said he thought he probably was. Meaning trying to outguess the mod, not something he was actually told in his role. Given that uncertainty, him not tripping a motion detector would make me think the most likely scenario was that he guessed wrong about being a Miller, or that Miller was actually functioning as it should rather than turning it into something that trips other roles up too. Yet LLD immediately wanted a full claim rather than trying to sort those possibilities.-
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Asking "Grey I need you to explain exactly why you think you're a Miller" instead is anti town? Yeah, I need you to explain that one please.
I am seriously starting to consider making an alt because I'm really starting to feel like people see that join date and expect me to be really experienced instead of someone who's basically just been playing for three months.-
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