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[Titus]

VOTE: ketchup

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Titusinterpretingtroll.exe has crashed.

Titustroll.exe executing.

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?

Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate

Tenative town here.

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but

who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

Bolded for emphasis. What do you call who knows if not fencesitting?

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I'm just not confident in reads yet.

This is believable. Titus has scumread me before for fencesitting early in a game and this was my reasoning

Are you saying I am believable or ketchup is?

Also, @Ketchup, if you understand my logic, why are you claiming to be confused and voting me?

[Titus]

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

wasn't ketchup saying I was scum? odd.

I’m open minded. I only like 55%ed you scum, or whatever the scum%is + 5%.Titus attacking me a few times and not acknowledging my 36 has hit me the wrong way. half joke half scum read

36 looks like gibberish. As far as I recall, we've never met. I put it down as trolling. What game did we play together?

[Titus]

Why am I town

You're my masonbuddy with usesPython,

obviously

.

But we're masons #jealous. Don't go break my heart tonight.

[Titus]

Scumpoints to Ranger for magical {bracketed lists of mystery} that are backed up by a magical black box of "tens of thousands of games". That's not an argument, that's appeal to authority

You expect verifiable logic? Do you expect Ranger to be Titus? Ranger does unverifiable logic.

[Titus]

Also aside from PC ketchup, you are the only person who I have less experience.

[Titus]

Light might be scum w ketchup

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Ketchup and broccoli better not be scum together because that would be weird shit made in a beaker.

And beakers go in lodges not kitchens.

#titusisatrollcooking

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I don't get the broccoli wagon. I only see Broccoli as scum with ketchup.

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Ketchup uses python...

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If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

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Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

Koba, I think your solve is correct in that we all share an alignment...but we're all green.

[Titus]

Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

Why did you try to start wagons on Titus and Ranger instead of just joining the Lap wagon?

Cuz I like competing wagons

That's fair

Totally vca is amazing

[Titus]

Also, ketchup I am not low effort. I'm in trial.

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I lost my trial.

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I don't get the broccoli wagon. I only see Broccoli as scum with ketchup.

why? and do you think that's a likely pairing?

Because ketchup is scum and the rainbow text on mafiablack is annoying.

No. Lap's town.

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for pages 6 and 7 I really just wanna talk about ketchup tbh I feel like I would be beating a dead horse. I don't see anything slightly alignment indicative.

Town

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I lost my trial.

Oh no how long are you going to prison for D:

My client's sentencing is next week.

[Titus]

VOTE: light

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If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

Can you answer 477

This was me commenting on ketchup's whiplash, not saying JV was scum.

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VLA this weekend

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I agree with Hu Tao that the VCs will be important but I disagree with Hu Tao's reads. For now, I am content with one of us being the village idiot.

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@Koba, how am I related to Arko?

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@Koba, how am I related to Arko?

2 separate thoughts

#confused

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Yeah, it's a slightly cursed role. I 100% believe there's both a miller and roleblocker out there so I can't trust any results

Wtf?

[Titus]

Ranger's not scum.

There's got to be a catch. No fewer than 3 cops in a game. Wtf

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Mhm, wolves probably have Godfathers to any degree and their announcement is probably the thing one thing that isn't normal.

Has to be. But if we do have guilties might as well announce those.

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I have an inno on Ranger fwiw. Figured she's hard to sort.

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I assume this is why you questioned my reasoning for suspecting the claim Drew? And I assume this is why the claim had Koba and yourself jump on it so quickly and confidently

Yes and yes...

I thought I was dead overnight cause I was so quick to think it was a fake claim

Lmfao

Quite an interesting setup

I think this really makes PC's reaction to it extra bad, given the revelation here

Eili5

[Titus]

Explain it like I'm 5

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Agreed on pc but I'm ill so definitely time to listen.

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Ranger,if you're a cop, what was your result?

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Same with you uses?

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Thanks. Sorry not batting 1000. Damn rain

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
Gut.
I believe a town-Titus would handle my slot nearly identically to how Titus did if planning to investigate me. A Ranger N1 copcheck fits her mindset perfectly.

However, pending review, my mental memory of Titus's D1 has a slight mistake from a pre-planned scum narrative to mimic her townplay.

A scum-Titus would know she would need to mimic her town-cop mindset and would be playing attempting to mimic it.

I believe she made a slight mistake, and did something she wouldn’t have if actually town.

It’s weak, and she could just be a cop. I want to place the vote for now, pending review and investigation.

Poor Ranger. Oat allergy?

[Titus]

Hipgun firing a team of
{Titus, Doctor Drew, +1}, with the final being among {usesPython, light_ganski, JacksonVirgo}.

Titus I believe slipped not being a genuine uninformed cop.
Doctor Drew, I believe slipped not being a genuine uninformed cop around his earlypage Koba Miller claim interactions.

The third is Gut guesswork.
UsesPython looks town to me yet they always do even when scum; objectively they

may

have made a similar non-uninformed Cop slip.
Light_ganski looks like scum and also may have.
JacksonVirgo has been town to me, yet gut pings as possibly not uninformed Cop.

Enchant is town.
Political Clout I’m fairly sure is town.

{Black, ketchup777, Hu Tao} are technically unsorted, yet vibe as genuine and town to me.

All of this is pending review.

Yeah no. Never happened.

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Ranger, I don't get at all what you're saying. The goal posts seem to be moving but I can't even track where they were. I am ill so maybe that's part of not seeing it.

Part of me think Ranger may be doing leaps to try and deflect from PC.

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As soon as Koba flipped I knew what we were dealing with, it's obvious is it not? Drew caught it, as did I and Titus did too hence their claim.

Her please.

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I don't believe that all cops would be useless. I think we should coordinate to check the remainder of slots. If we are useless, then it's all town. If we aren't, we'd get multiple slots with guilties.

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Can someone pull the list of non-checked? Then I could make assignments.

I'm not sure what to make of Ranger here or the fact she seems oblivious to my crumb.

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Why is light a wagon?

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Scum would know if they are all godparents

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Calling light and Black partners. There is a reason to vote light (counterwagon from yesterday) but I wanted to hear someone say it to compare if they usually do that. Black jumping off at the first motion elsewhere is suspicious rather than giving a reason. She wants to be on the light wagon if it takes but would rather vote town.

VOTE: Light

[Titus]

There's probably scum in PC and Drew as well.

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Calling light and Black partners. There is a reason to vote light (counterwagon from yesterday) but I wanted to hear someone say it to compare if they usually do that. Black jumping off at the first motion elsewhere is suspicious rather than giving a reason. She wants to be on the light wagon if it takes but would rather vote town.

VOTE: Light

I unvoted as a joke. I guess that wasn't clear

I'm still down to fade LG

So your vote on me is a joke right when momentum forms? Why not revote ganski then?

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Why is light a wagon?

Do you have any thoughts on Light or the wagon itself? This feels shallow

Umm answered with my vote?

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Strongly leaning pc scum as well.

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Strongly leaning pc scum as well.

Why?

Reaction to the wagon, withdraw and revote, doesn't suggest they're a cop. Plus, scum would know if one or any was a godparent.

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Then you can explain these so called slips like I'm 5. Now, it looks like panic.

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In my heart of hearts, I fear a {Titus, Doctor Drew, usesPython} team is the most likely team, but I hold out hope of Python being town and the third scum being among the others.

This team doesn't make sense with your reads. You completely skip over Jackson and light.

[Titus]

Enchant might be scum. It's unlikely and tabling.

Light Drew Ranger Black is my scumpool with Ranger being the least likely.

[Titus]

Enchant might be scum. It's unlikely and tabling.

Light Drew Ranger Black is my scumpool with Ranger being the least likely.

What happened to your PC scumread?

I waffle on it. One thing that isn't how I would react isn't a slip and I don't know PC enough to determine if it is or not. The behavior I see around light and myself is a bit more disturbing. PC's not a townread but not a biggest scumread.

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Enchant might be scum. It's unlikely and tabling.

Light Drew Ranger Black is my scumpool with Ranger being the least likely.

Can you elaborate on Black and I?

Also is funny that both of you kinda scum read each other(talking about you and Ranger), and you both have me as a solid scum read.....I feel like there is something to that, what exactly I can't put my finger on it though

Black I just recently commented on. However the trajectory on me/Light is awful.

You're in a position to opportunistically vote on Lap, I don't TR you, you fit a rule of 3 if Ranger is scum.

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Enchant might be scum. It's unlikely and tabling.

Light Drew Ranger Black is my scumpool with Ranger being the least likely.

Can you elaborate on Black and I?

Also is funny that both of you kinda scum read each other(talking about you and Ranger), and you both have me as a solid scum read.....I feel like there is something to that, what exactly I can't put my finger on it though

Black I just recently commented on. However the trajectory on me/Light is awful.

You're in a position to opportunistically vote on Lap, I don't TR you, you fit a rule of 3 if Ranger is scum.

Imagine if you are the Cop, and someone else who is close to being limmed claims a Cop variant, and someone else(PC) defends the claim......how would you react?

Also, by your logic I am scum if you flip scum as well?

Did PC "defend the claim" or merely show reluctance? Why does that matter regarding your vote?

[Titus]

asking again did anyone crumb cop day 1?

I did but obtusely.

[Titus]

Why am I town

You're my masonbuddy with usesPython,

obviously

.

But we're masons #jealous. Don't go break my heart tonight.

Here's a subtle crumb. Ranger's town unless she breaks my heart (by being a scum check).

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asking again did anyone crumb cop day 1?

I never crumb. I should probably get in the habit but I always forget

Crumbing is silly anyway, most evils know the direction they want to go down anyway. You can also just crumb a little piece of everything and just pull out the ones that match your claim at any given time.

Hard disagree but you do you.

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My drinking says pc light drew but i know i just dropped ranger and black meh.

Guess everyone else is town and we just yeet those 5.

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Drunk Titus no follow

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A normal game is supposed to have at least 1 vt

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Enchant, you want notlight...your vote's in a bad place

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Drew is okay

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I'll catch up tomorrow. Was ill.

Not too shocked by Black tbh. Like she knows I know she's scum. She knows my pool is accurate. She knows I can't get her eliminated today probably.

It's worth a shot still though.

VOTE: Black

[Titus]

I think Titus feels like she has to scumread me here because she scumreads me in every game we play together. She probably feels like she needs to believably mimic this behavior in order to seem like her usual self, except it's not coming across as genuine here. Her scumread feels more fake and forced than any game we've played recently

for like the millionth time I agree with you

titus‘ black vote doesn’t feel very genuine. feels like she’s given up on light wagon only because it crumbled and now is ready to move elsewhere

Except for the genuine statement, this is correct. I am voting Black because she's the person in my pool of suspects who has a wagon that has momentum. I don't really care which of my reads flip, as long as we nail scum.

I also would like night to flip in the middle of next week as my mom's coming into town Tuesday night.

[Titus]

If I were to embrace my inner Ranger:


{Jackson, Enchant, me}
{Black}
{Hu Tao}
{UsesPython}
{LightGanski}
{Political Clout, Ranger, Titus, Doctor Drew}

Swap me and Black and I like this readslist.

[Titus]

Jackson, can you and ketchup work together?

[Titus]

I'm feeling ill. Otherwise would facilitate.

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Jackson, can you and ketchup work together?

This is a strange request. Like do you think Jackson is the ketchup whisperer? Do you think he can convince ketchup to scumread me and townread you? I don't get it

Even if I'm not townread, town wins if town townread each other. I'm not functioning well so I admit confusing.

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Drew is just... unbelievably town. I don't get any scum-read on him, I just cannot understand how anybody cannot see it

I feel the opposite. Please explain.

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Drew is just... unbelievably town. I don't get any scum-read on him, I just cannot understand how anybody cannot see it

I feel the opposite. Please explain.

How about you explain why not?

Gave me literal chills

That's the point. Drew's in my PoE. No efforts that match his town game. Passive. Rule of 3 frequently.

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If I was within range of it when I saw it, I would have hammered. The hammer is semantics at this point.

I think we all would have. Drew's vote though is too passive though.
"when I saw it" is referring to the claim

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You town-read me. I had that feeling. Considering you trust me, you should believe that I am not some anomaly. Others would have that same reaction, Drew and Koba both did the same thing. I'm Town, Koba's town. What makes Drew scum for that? It doesn't. Stop this, please

You weren’t the hammer. Koba was probably high. Drew was not high and he was a knowing hammer. this combo makes me suspect him more, also his backing up of his Laphammering on day 2 has been lacking and poor

Really?

You are tossing away Koba's wanting me to hammer as they were 'probably high'?

That's your case on me?

This is why I am scum??

Titus, again....spit your fire case on me as well please

Why are you fine with Ranger's vapid buzzwords but begging for an angle to attack here?

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I can't articulate better Drew. I'm ill.

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Ketchup can you drop the colors gimmick

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It makes your posts harder to read

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It makes your posts harder to read

it’s just simplest to split up a post with them tbh sry unless you have other ideas

I use dashes

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Like this

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If you look at it from the PoV that

1. Drew doesn't play like you assumed he would
2. The Cop claim holds a lot more weight than you know
3. Try your best to forget that they were Town. They were the wagon for the day and then they claimed your exact role.

Imagine yourself in this spot. What's your thoughts on him?

I'm confused on 3.

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It depends on people and context. Normally I just shrug it but I'm struggling as is to comprehend. Oddly it might make me easier to read but it's like my mind and body are trapped by a porticulls (that gate woth spikes).

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Meh it looks like I'm the compromise lim with no reason yet again. Yet at least this time my townreads reads it each other.

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I don't get these last few pages

[Titus]

I don't get these last few pages

Hi

So jackson and I are very talented at talking to each other

what do you wanna know

That's good. Not following the substance regarding drew

[Titus]

I don't get these last few pages

Hi

So jackson and I are very talented at talking to each other

what do you wanna know

That's good. Not following the substance regarding drew

Jackson thinks Drew is town. Jackson and Koba, honest cops they are (I hope), both didn’t believe Lap‘s claim and voted Lap. So Jackson can see where Drew is coming from and thinks the way he acted aligns with how Jackson acted.

I think it would be best for Town to take time to digest the claim and think about if it could be true. My conclusion would likely be that it could be, so I would not quickhammer Lap

My issue isn't that Drew voted Lap but how. There's no puzzle no confusion no raw emotion. Too analytical.

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I'm likely out for the evening

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Ranger was just waiting for people to start seeing me as town. She's wanting the whole day to focus on me. Like uses said, she's better than this. Ideally, people should have let me defend myself from Ranger's bogus case but still.

Uses, do you think there's any possibility of tunneled Ranger?

[Titus]

Ketchup, I'm vla on weekends generally and this one's no exception. Don't stall out the game. I've solved the game the best I can. I'm not an uber important role.

[Titus]

VLA this weekend

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the rest is awesome but can you just explain the 'no fewer than' vs 'at least' bit in more words

"at least three" as a wording places focus on three with the possibility of more;
"no fewer than" as a wording places focus on the possibility of more with the three being the minimum.

Language usage matters.
"at least 3" would imply 3 with the

possibility

of more (where Titus could be the potential last Cop);

By stating 'no fewer than', Titus is implying there's

far more than

3.

That difference translates into the implication of the statement.

Still this words about nothing. Everyone and their brother was claiming cop and is a cop. This is chopping a hair and it doesn't make any sense.

Right now, at least one of you and uses is scum here.

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Ranger was just waiting for people to start seeing me as town.

You know better than to conflate life circumstances with strategic planning. I've been planning to deliver on this slip from the moment I spotted it; life prevented me until now.

Right. Life prevented it, despite responding to all the other times I asked. Ranger, at least own being manipulative.

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I still can't even parse Ranger's thing. Is she saying I assumed three cops exactly?

There's millions of possible setups but we act on likely.

At least 3 claims is likely but it was logical given the info we had all town are cops.

[Titus]

VLA this weekend

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I went Occam's.

Ranger, what do you think of my pool?

[Titus]

the rest is awesome but can you just explain the 'no fewer than' vs 'at least' bit in more words

"at least three" as a wording places focus on three with the possibility of more;
"no fewer than" as a wording places focus on the possibility of more with the three being the minimum.

Language usage matters.
"at least 3" would imply 3 with the

possibility

of more (where Titus could be the potential last Cop);

By stating 'no fewer than', Titus is implying there's

far more than

3.

That difference translates into the implication of the statement.

Still this words about nothing. Everyone and their brother was claiming cop and is a cop. This is chopping a hair and it doesn't make any sense.

Right now, at least one of you and uses is scum here.

why is at least one of Ranger or uses scum

If Ranger is town, scum uses wants a t v t AND cut me off from answering.

[Titus]

Yeah, it's a slightly cursed role. I 100% believe there's both a miller and roleblocker out there so I can't trust any results

Wtf?

why did this make you u wtf titus

Also please respond to this when you can Titus

Titus and Drew are oh so good at dodging questions. It won’t work tho. Please say Titus why Lap‘s post made you post 'Wtf?'.

Lap was suggesting cop but a cop that couldn't trust themselves. I didn't know what to do with it and posted off the cuff.