Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

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no content? guys would you rather be a horse or a dung beetle

VOTE: ketchup777

Srs vote find scum vote scum easy peasy.

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First ketchup makes an entrance post that's nai imo. Then makes a joke post followed by a question that could only generate fluff followed by another joke post then now followed by another fluff post. Looks like they are just posting to post or looking to fit in.

Alternative theory they could be just excited to be playing

Evidence only last game ketchup played were they were town in a mini normal entrances are a stark contrast.

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First ketchup makes an entrance post that's nai imo. Then makes a joke post followed by a question that could only generate fluff followed by another joke post then now followed by another fluff post. Looks like they are just posting to post or looking to fit in.

How is their posting meaningfully different from everyone else doing the same thing

The lack of rvs voting. Others were talking to people they knew and making rvs votes. Ketchup comes in no rvs voting and no talking to people they knew.

Alternative theory didn't talk to anyone they knew because those players hadn't posted yet

So far I'm happy with my vote.

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First ketchup makes an entrance post that's nai imo. Then makes a joke post followed by a question that could only generate fluff followed by another joke post then now followed by another fluff post. Looks like they are just posting to post or looking to fit in.

How is their posting meaningfully different from everyone else doing the same thing

The lack of rvs voting. Others were talking to people they knew and making rvs votes. Ketchup comes in no rvs voting and no talking to people they knew.

Alternative theory didn't talk to anyone they knew because those players hadn't posted yet

So far I'm happy with my vote.

ketchup rvs'd koba though?

That's going to be a huge my bad. It changes my entire analysis. One sec.

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After considering it. I decided it was probably my alternative theory of them just being excited. let me catch up quickly.

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UNVOTE:

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

wasn't ketchup saying I was scum? odd.

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

wasn't ketchup saying I was scum? odd.

Didn't they explain that the Titus vote was a poor joke?

I think it's a joke hiding as a sick omgus vote.

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After considering it. I decided it was probably my alternative theory of them just being excited.

Disappointing. You had a good thing going.

i really thought I was cooking. it's alright if they are scum they will give me another opportunity. I think he might have slipped up on his vote on titus. why was he frustrated at that point in the game with only 2 people on him part joke vote part scum read? I'm not sure I buy it.

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After considering it. I decided it was probably my alternative theory of them just being excited.

Disappointing. You had a good thing going.

i really thought I was cooking. it's alright if they are scum they will give me another opportunity. I think he might have slipped up on his vote on titus. why was he frustrated at that point in the game with only 2 people on him part joke vote part scum read? I'm not sure I buy it.

The stuff sounded impressive but you’ve got the wrong person.

I feel like too much is being made of my Titus vote.

You have no idea how hard it is for me to get off of someone. To me it looks like you flailed from a slight push titus made.

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After considering it. I decided it was probably my alternative theory of them just being excited.

Disappointing. You had a good thing going.

i really thought I was cooking. it's alright if they are scum they will give me another opportunity. I think he might have slipped up on his vote on titus. why was he frustrated at that point in the game with only 2 people on him part joke vote part scum read? I'm not sure I buy it.

The stuff sounded impressive but you’ve got the wrong person.

I feel like too much is being made of my Titus vote.

You have no idea how hard it is for me to get off of someone. To me it looks like you flailed from a slight push titus made.

a slight push is better than whyever the hell i voted Koba

so you were very aware of where your vote was and wanted to move it?

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reading now. I read some at work. I'm probably going to pick up from where I left off maybe not. I might go all the way to the beginning again.

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page 1 nothing happened just introductions a lot of hellos.

page 2 light ganski jumps in with a let's go scumhunting. now hmmmm Is this just eagerness again. It certainly doesn't feel genuine. Why the need to mention something we're all going to be doing. feels a little performative. then my exchange with ketchup happens.

let's analyze python a bit here. they vote me as rvs vote I am assuming here. then ask me how their post is different I answer they back off is essentially what happens. Is that town? backing off I think it might be. black says i'm townie.

ketchup says disengaging is scummy here but python just disengaged from me so was that scummy of them? as an aside I just realized I should maybe include quotes but it's going to be so long.

also light ganski votes jackson and in the post following it says ketchup is lhf like jackson isn't at that stage of the game? egmeoy lg

that was all page 3 from python unvoting me.

should I keep going are any of you going to actually read this?

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?

Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate

I'm not saying you're wrong, but this feels very premature

Do scum ever make this kind of post? I think so. Trying to make people doubt their town reads.

56 kinda feels like a townie post

is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?

Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate

I'm not saying you're wrong, but this feels very premature

How? It's a gut read. I'm not locktowning him

I see your point then

this is the only slightly interesting thing that happened on page 4 LG pushed black for her read on me then backed off immediately wasn't ready for the smoke.

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VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already

VOTE: light ganski
Yea I gues

VOTE: LG

town points for these peeps.

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for pages 6 and 7 I really just wanna talk about ketchup tbh I feel like I would be beating a dead horse. I don't see anything slightly alignment indicative.

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Is top of your list most scummy or least scummy?

Which one was accompanied with a declaration of being a serious vote?

This misunderstanding feels like it should never have happened dumbtelling tbh.

How’s your first scum game going?

I like this fire from JV, vibe it town, and agree.

I agree

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56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I actually though ketchup was newer than he is, but I'm still very inclined to townlean this way of thinking

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

having just said that, this response makes me feel very nervy about ketchup

I skipped paged 9 just light hedging their bets here.

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VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim.

In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

I did this a lot in my first game as scum :igmeou:

again, I feel like the focus on ketchup is very much picking the low hanging fruit

townpost

skipped a few pages nothing interesting. This is interesting to me though. How two players arrived at two different conclusions I thought it was more of a scummy post because of their next post where they vote jackson. how two players arrived at two different conclusions seems at cross purposes. what you think?

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lets see where this goes

VOTE: laplacian

these two aren't a team clearly. Lap just entered the game a few pages ago and then lg goes after them irony abounds.

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I'm on page 17 rn. getting bored tbh.

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town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

I think this is wrong or a lie. Unless I am misremembering. let me look through pythons meta after I finish here.

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python town

why?

tbh this is potentially me being naive due to not knowing ketchup but i get the vibe that ketchup is like one of the most obviously town players here based on how holistic their posting feels, having no real bias with what they interact with or analyze and such.

fits the archaetype of a town leader who is actively pushing the game forward.

so like pushing on ketchup feels like it requires suspension of reality in that it ignores the body of work theyve posted thus far

This is just a lie now imo.

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Wasn't that a big to do that you were yet you were saying you weren't?

I also have no idea what u mean here

Umm, you have made a big to do, and still are, that you are not tunneled even though you are..... that's what I mean.

Case in point what I posted, someone else said that this seems like ketchups town game, to which you responded 'you can't say that without comparing to their scum game(paraphrasing here)'. That is a tunneled response.

I even asked you if you have seen their scum game, because just throwing away evidence to someone being town without showing evidence to to contrary shows to me someone who is either severely tunneled as town.......or just simply scum.

So which one are you?

Ok back to work for real this time lol

post feels weird especially after jackson called ketchup maybe town. Does drew just like to argue? I don't that true thinking about it now. I could be wrong on that though.

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town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

I think this is wrong or a lie. Unless I am misremembering. let me look through pythons meta after I finish here.

i skimmed 3 recent games and 2 of those were scum games

which games? I'll look at 3 different ones see if we come to same conclusion.

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VOTE: light ganski

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town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

I think this is wrong or a lie. Unless I am misremembering. let me look through pythons meta after I finish here.

i skimmed 3 recent games and 2 of those were scum games

which games? I'll look at 3 different ones see if we come to same conclusion.

idr but there are 2 mafia games in recently completed like very recent lol

i went through bonneytoonz open 888 and micro1079 the isos felt very serious in mini normal2316 A feels very loosey goosey? so maybe you're right.

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what does that mean for them here though? let me think about it.

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I feel like I keep getting lost in this game. let me reread the game again gimme a second or two.

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I don’t think it was a lie, I believe it was an accident. I just think the accident is more likely to come from maf doing a half-hearted job of scumhunting than an awesomely excited very eager to catch all of the mafia townie (hi you’re going down mafalafs)

why do you think town are *less* likely to make accidents and slips? considering that we are the uninformed faction? (i am aware this is kinda the opposite question of the one I asked black, but humour me)

because we can go with our true feelings and our mind will pick up from where it left off probably whereas (I imagine, haven't got to try it yet) mafia can easily slip up over who they had decided to fake suspicions on

I did not expect the first Drew post of the game to come from someone else besides me lol

Town points for Ketchup, but will need Python for a proper analysis

(And ftr, for me personally I make sure my ducks are all in a row more as scum than town.......so Ketchup, I think you are looking at something NAI)

Drewpoints can only be redeemed by registered Drewidians, not sure if ketchup qualifies

We actually wouldn't give townpoints here simply cause we're associating this read with having an underdeveloped understanding of how scum act which wouldn't really change based on what PM they got

This certainly feels like a town post.

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let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nuh uh

any particular reason you dont wanna go scumhunting jackson? :igmeou:

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

Sus

join me on the jackson train hu tao

I didn't actually think it was sus. I lied

I'm slightly confused what did you gain out of this?

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I think my problem with ketchup is that their posts seem to be very appeasing of people in the early game.

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I always happen to TR you

But you've been wrong about me twice very recently. Why are you not concerned that you could be wrong again?

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Early days

this doesn't feel like a towny post.

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pedit: hell yeahhh

Are you not curious at all why JV suddenly reversed course on you?

this also feels like a towny post

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@Political Clout the only reasons for your L_G vote seem to be from page 9. Was there anything else there that you didn't elaborate on?

They seem to not really be playing the game. They ask questions but don't pursue the end of the thought imo and fail to sort people. The backed off blacks tr on me when black pushed back they backed off their black/jv theory when jv responded. Feels performative.

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let me iso jv brb

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wdahdadwadwawhdiahdawidoawhdwa

well said, extremely profound and insightful like a bolt from the heavens really.

VOTE: ketchup

Completely unrelated

Why did you vote ketchup here?

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Okay I think ketchup actually is Town, not because of 552

so, why are they town?

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Reading my ISO like you said you're doing would answer both of those

I want to hear it from you.

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Reading my ISO like you said you're doing would answer both of those

I want to hear it from you.

Not interested in repeating myself for the sake of repeating myself

your explanation didn't really make sense to me.

They don't seem to be deflecting because of my push, the push is seemingly absolutely meaningless to him but instead he's trying to get me to be more productive in a way that they seem to truly think that scum-reading them is useless/meaningless and they want to actually do something to progress the game. I don't know how to put this into words properly

They're not 'deflecting because of the push,' 'push is meaningless,' 'trying to get me to be more productive,' 'scum reading them is useless,' 'want to do something to progress the game'.

Wouldn't scum want you to think that scum reading them is useless? or are they doing it in a unique way or a towny way? I'm not sure I follow.

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Reading my ISO like you said you're doing would answer both of those

I want to hear it from you.

Not interested in repeating myself for the sake of repeating myself

your explanation didn't really make sense to me.

They don't seem to be deflecting because of my push, the push is seemingly absolutely meaningless to him but instead he's trying to get me to be more productive in a way that they seem to truly think that scum-reading them is useless/meaningless and they want to actually do something to progress the game. I don't know how to put this into words properly

They're not 'deflecting because of the push,' 'push is meaningless,' 'trying to get me to be more productive,' 'scum reading them is useless,' 'want to do something to progress the game'.

Wouldn't scum want you to think that scum reading them is useless? or are they doing it in a unique way or a towny way? I'm not sure I follow.

It's their focus that was elsewhere, it wasn't on the push at all. Deflecting would generally show their focus is at least somewhat on the push but it wasn't. I guess that's a way to word it

I think I believe you. You seem sincere and earnest. I should clarify your read seems sincere. but I'm thinking leaning town for now.

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let me iso jv brb

Why me in particular?

I called one of your posts not towny I should do due diligence and follow up and investigate yeah?

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One thing that has been on my mind about light is that when they posted about jv here and black it was a few pages before they finally got back to it and then a few pages went by and they responded to me talking about their read on ketchup being very clear. It felt like cherry picking but now I'm thinking They just don't know what to post as scum and are trying hard to get into the game. let me think about it some more, maybe I am misremembering.

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reads list time

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

where am I here?

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reads list time

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

for some reason my first instinct was that it was scummy that laplacian forgot me or am I just being sensitive?

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reads list time

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

I for the life of me can't see how any of this is alignment indicative.

UNVOTE:

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arko has never posted

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can someone talk to me about ketchup btw

we can talk about ketchup but I don't know. I feel like it might be a bit unproductive.

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VOTE: Ganski

what convinced you to vote ganski?

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can someone talk to me about ketchup btw

we can talk about ketchup but I don't know. I feel like it might be a bit unproductive.

im ngl i reread their ISO and i immediately was like "nah this is not scum lol" lmao

ketchup has basically been all over this game and in a way that suggests independence and uninformedness

. like if theyre scum who is it with? i guess one could make the argument with me but obviously I personally otherwise would be unable to see that argument xd


although my uneasy feeling could very well be from the fact there might be a traitor/traitors and thus we are among somewhat uninformed scum. idk.

can you expand on this. I guess I do wanna talk about ketchup.

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reads list time

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

where am I here?

You're in the "Everyone else either has low posts or

I'm having trouble reading still

". Was the main reason I asked about your LG vote, since I wanted to see the thought process and try to get you more

I'm calling bull.

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I would have accepted it slipped my mind. I forgor oopsie. if you're having trouble reading me why am I not in the neutral bin as I assume that is what it's there for.

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I would have accepted it slipped my mind. I forgor oopsie. if you're having trouble reading me why am I not in the neutral bin as I assume that is what it's there for.

I treat neutral as "I have thought about them a bunch but I'm still not sure what's going on" or "you did something towny but then you did something scummy and they've cancelled out". DkKoba's in neutral because miller claim. HT had town vibes and then mischaracterized stuff hard. Neutral to me is "there's some shit going on with them, but I'm not sure how to resolve it yet", not no information. Tossing people in neutral because I haven't found anything interesting to discuss yet is just a waste of space

you should have done your homework and counted my posts I only had 27 when you posted your reads list so I also would have accepted your first reason that I hadn't posted enough. I believe you less now.

VOTE: laplacian

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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disloyal does appear in the thread aliana linked.

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I'm going to sleep on this.

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layed down for bed could not sleep felt all wrong.

VOTE: laplacian

step on the gas.

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disloyal does appear in the thread aliana linked.

You don't think it is easy to find a viable fake claim with this?

I mean, why would you think they would fake claim something NOT in that thread?

do you just want to argue? where's your vote for lap?

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I'm going to bed now I feel much better.

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I checked Titus. Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted I'm at work rn. Be back later.

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Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted

what do you mean by this

VOTE: ranger

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Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted

what do you mean by this

VOTE: ranger

on the contrary, a setup where our only useful role can die in one night seems unfair, no?

That's not what happened. And it does seem fair to me.

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Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted

what do you mean by this

VOTE: ranger

Why did you unvote Lap if you're claiming Cop with this mentality then?

It seemed like the right thing to do then I thought it over in my head and it seemed like the wrongest thing to do since it sounded like a scum claim and I was a cop too.

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

disloyal does appear in the thread aliana linked.

UNVOTE:

I'm going to sleep on this.

layed down for bed could not sleep felt all wrong.

VOTE: laplacian

step on the gas.

VOTE: lap

VOTE: ganski

I wanted to see how that felt, not good. This better

The claim was cursed so I wanted to dip my toes in but no, they’re just town

In particular the belief -> disbelief is pretty anti-cop while JVs disbelief -> town despite the claim is very cop

I don't follow but only because you're nigh incomprehensible. wanna explain more clearly please and thank you.

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Like your first reaction to that claim should be "No way there's two whole ass ungated cops in a mini that's unbalanced as hell"

I'm still not following. if you're going off of what my reaction ought to be or should be then you're wrong.

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Like your first reaction to that claim should be "No way there's two whole ass ungated cops in a mini that's unbalanced as hell"

I'm still not following. if you're going off of what my reaction ought to be or should be then you're wrong.

Do you think having two ungated cops is a fair amount of power in a mini (without the godfathers since you wouldn't know that as town) compared to the possibility that Lap was just scum fakeclaiming?

I have no idea how to answer this as I play every game as if it is mountainous. I caught him in a lie and decided it was best to eliminate him.

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Yeah exactly, the lie would be the Disloyal Cop claim because from a setup spec POV it's instantly intuitively obvious having two ungated cops is way too much town power given that if they both survive to D3 that's like half the playerlist checked already

no the lie was something else entirely.

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reads list time

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

where am I here?

You're in the "Everyone else either has low posts or

I'm having trouble reading still

". Was the main reason I asked about your LG vote, since I wanted to see the thought process and try to get you more

I'm calling bull.

I would have accepted it slipped my mind. I forgor oopsie. if you're having trouble reading me why am I not in the neutral bin as I assume that is what it's there for.

I would have accepted it slipped my mind. I forgor oopsie. if you're having trouble reading me why am I not in the neutral bin as I assume that is what it's there for.

I treat neutral as "I have thought about them a bunch but I'm still not sure what's going on" or "you did something towny but then you did something scummy and they've cancelled out". DkKoba's in neutral because miller claim. HT had town vibes and then mischaracterized stuff hard. Neutral to me is "there's some shit going on with them, but I'm not sure how to resolve it yet", not no information. Tossing people in neutral because I haven't found anything interesting to discuss yet is just a waste of space

you should have done your homework and counted my posts I only had 27 when you posted your reads list so I also would have accepted your first reason that I hadn't posted enough. I believe you less now.

VOTE: laplacian

I mean why not just go back and see the whole progression.

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Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted

I shall not comment beyond stating it would make sense if I claimed.

You are incorrect about Lap being the only nonstandard cop role in the game. I agree Lap was a real Cop. I also agree there is a limited number of "real" Cops.

I didn’t know the setup last night and targeted Koba believing I would get a useful result.

I don’t believe we should be massclaiming any modifiers. Were we to, your hypothesis would immediately be proven wrong.


I’ll say no more.

I don't know whether to soul read you town or not though. you feel substantially different from last game currently. UNVOTE:

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Why do work when you can get other people to do it for you

because I'm not the one making stuff up about what I did.

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I wanna wait for PC to respond before I add more to the conversation

Hence this post

I never even saw this.

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Why do work when you can get other people to do it for you

because I'm not the one making stuff up about what I did.

We play from memory and misremember sometimes

VOTE: usespython scum tactic tbh.

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I'm perfectly happy not saying anything lmao. How do you even come up with this stuff.

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I'm here for the rest of the night


ITT: what would a cop for sure do: The anime.

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That wasn't more clear at all...

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That wasn't more clear at all...

What do you need clarification about?

Wellll I don't want to impose but if I am scum how do you explain my revote of lap? you are only looking at this one dimensionally i.e. my unvote of lap. if you make a good argument I'll vote myself.

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That wasn't more clear at all...

What do you need clarification about?

Wellll I don't want to impose but if I am scum how do you explain my revote of lap? you are only looking at this one dimensionally i.e. my unvote of lap. if you make a good argument I'll vote myself.

Funnilly enough(not a word i know lol), this is less about you and more about Titus' read on how the end of D1 went. I don't get how my play is scummier than your play.

Hence why I keep wanting her to answer how she would act if she was the town cop in that scenario.

On balance the question is pointless as titus would either make something up or just tell the truth. How you would or wouldn't act as a cop in my opinion cannot be attributed to alignment. I think you actually make an insightful question how you are scummier than me both valid and needs answering. If I was scum I would be jumping for joy at the fact that lap was blasted off day 1, so what would be my next move if I were scum? I think I would want to blend in, or reveal information that I think would get me town equity. I think someone asked who it was that decided we were all cops that was a pretty good question imo.

Further you might be talking past each other you and titus. I think a more productive question is when did they start scum reading you and why?

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I'm sitting on that for a moment

How sure are you

70/30

UNVOTE: PC

who do you want dead rn?

I doubt it's truly a Ganski/Ranger/PC solve but it sure feels like it

I doubt it's truly a Ganski/Ranger/PC solve but it sure feels like it

Sometimes it really is that easy

VOTE: PC

the jacksonvirgo pocket spews as informed scum.

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I'm sitting on that for a moment

How sure are you

70/30

UNVOTE: PC

who do you want dead rn?

I doubt it's truly a Ganski/Ranger/PC solve but it sure feels like it

I doubt it's truly a Ganski/Ranger/PC solve but it sure feels like it

Sometimes it really is that easy

VOTE: PC

the jacksonvirgo pocket spews as informed scum.

JV is obvtown

doesn't explain why you are letting jv dictate your actions.

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doesn't explain why you are letting jv dictate your actions.

We compensate for our low read accuracy by being pretty good at finding a few people town and then sheeping them, in this case especially we're content to shoot our other scumreads given that we don't have the time to read or case much

this would make sense if you thought jv had a high read accuracy otherwise it makes less than no sense.

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doesn't explain why you are letting jv dictate your actions.

We compensate for our low read accuracy by being pretty good at finding a few people town and then sheeping them, in this case especially we're content to shoot our other scumreads given that we don't have the time to read or case much

this would make sense if you thought jv had a high read accuracy otherwise it makes less than no sense.

JV has a higher read accuracy than us

the amount of work I would have to do to determine the voracity of this statement without looking at jv's topics or pythons makes me shudder. I'll label it as opinion for now and move on.

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the dissonance is crazy

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ok i Imagine it can’t be right but just to explore all alleyways would no limming once or twice hoping to increase the chance we have a useful cop to get results have any merit?

scum claim tbh.

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town
enchant
Hu Tao
Doctor Drew

black,ketchup, jackson there is one scum in here I think

Titus
python

Ranger
light ganksi

these pairings have high scum equity me thinks

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I'm wary of voting light because of titus and python on the wagon but maybe I should step on the gas and find out which pairing makes most sense...

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VOTE: ranger

interesting.

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I should get off my vanity wagon maybe join the titus wagon for competing purposes.

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my gut says it's light no solving minimal posting no reads VOTE: light ganski

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Titus and I crumbed cop so are either informed scum or figured it out early (i accidentally typed informed cum initially lmao)

Enchant, Laplacian, Koba irrelevant.

Jackson and Drew had the cryptic back and forth after seeing 2 cop flips, but also showed signs (Jackson more than Drew imo) of being cops at the end of Day 1 by voting Koba.

Ranger could have figured it out D2. She was late to the party and claimed to not be a normal cop, which is odd considering she only had one vote on her at this point.

Political Clout very much fits the bill of figured it out on D2. His unvote/voting on Light has bad cop equity as others have pointed out, and he was the penultimate person to claim cop.

Light I'm not sure but her being the last cop claim could suggest she figured it out late, but also could be mafia lying in wait for others' claims to work out what to claim. The delayed bringing out of claiming an inconclusive result on Enchant could have been molded and manufactured in the scum PT.

You usesPython could be informed as we've just done to death. If not I'm not sure.

Hu Tao is hard to read, but I think her 1094 somewhat leans to figuring it out d2 on vibes.

Black not sure. 1125 could be prepared, prefigured out

sorry for delay had to go search for a book (could not find it ): )

following your logic wouldn't that mean I'm town.

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fitting the bill of uninformed majority.

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if you're crumbing cop day 1 you have a higher scum equity than me. this is just a fact of life.

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I checked Titus. Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted I'm at work rn. Be back later.

this is a bit of an odd post. not seeing the possibility of more than one cop is?? like maybe we have another disloyal cop and some ascetic cops that would seem fair

it's townie? I agree.

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I checked Titus. Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted I'm at work rn. Be back later.

this is a bit of an odd post. not seeing the possibility of more than one cop is?? like maybe we have another disloyal cop and some ascetic cops that would seem fair

yes indeed like how would I know.

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Titus and I crumbed cop so are either informed scum or figured it out early (i accidentally typed informed cum initially lmao)

Enchant, Laplacian, Koba irrelevant.

Jackson and Drew had the cryptic back and forth after seeing 2 cop flips, but also showed signs (Jackson more than Drew imo) of being cops at the end of Day 1 by voting Koba.

Ranger could have figured it out D2. She was late to the party and claimed to not be a normal cop, which is odd considering she only had one vote on her at this point.

Political Clout very much fits the bill of figured it out on D2. His unvote/voting on Light has bad cop equity as others have pointed out, and he was the penultimate person to claim cop.

Light I'm not sure but her being the last cop claim could suggest she figured it out late, but also could be mafia lying in wait for others' claims to work out what to claim. The delayed bringing out of claiming an inconclusive result on Enchant could have been molded and manufactured in the scum PT.

You usesPython could be informed as we've just done to death. If not I'm not sure.

Hu Tao is hard to read, but I think her 1094 somewhat leans to figuring it out d2 on vibes.

Black not sure. 1125 could be prepared, prefigured out

sorry for delay had to go search for a book (could not find it ): )

following your logic wouldn't that mean I'm town.

why would it mean that. if you're a genuine cop you don't have anything to 'figure out'

you caught me I'm actually scum.

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I checked Titus. Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted I'm at work rn. Be back later.

this is a bit of an odd post. not seeing the possibility of more than one cop is?? like maybe we have another disloyal cop and some ascetic cops that would seem fair

yes indeed like how would I know.

you seemed to discount the possibility of there being more than one modified cop for ... reasons?

okay. I don't know where you are going with this.

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I checked Titus. Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted I'm at work rn. Be back later.

this is a bit of an odd post. not seeing the possibility of more than one cop is?? like maybe we have another disloyal cop and some ascetic cops that would seem fair

yes indeed like how would I know.

you seemed to discount the possibility of there being more than one modified cop for ... reasons?

okay. I don't know where you are going with this.

nor do I

good talk I guess.

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Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted

what do you mean by this

VOTE: ranger

on the contrary, a setup where our only useful role can die in one night seems unfair, no?

That's not what happened. And it does seem fair to me.

How do you know that's not what happened?

lap died day 1 not night 1

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titus usespython lightganski I think this might be the team.

the hemming and hawing coming from python is undoing my jeans. first they jump on me and try to get jv and then jv says nah they unvote now they try the same thing with ketchup. like come on I see it you see it we see it. It was all an act.

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Like your first reaction to that claim should be "No way there's two whole ass ungated cops in a mini that's unbalanced as hell"

I'm still not following. if you're going off of what my reaction ought to be or should be then you're wrong.

Do you think having two ungated cops is a fair amount of power in a mini (without the godfathers since you wouldn't know that as town) compared to the possibility that Lap was just scum fakeclaiming?

I have no idea how to answer this as I play every game as if it is mountainous. I caught him in a lie and decided it was best to eliminate him.

why would you play every game as if it's mountainous

it's more fun that way.

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Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted

what do you mean by this

VOTE: ranger

on the contrary, a setup where our only useful role can die in one night seems unfair, no?

That's not what happened. And it does seem fair to me.

How do you know that's not what happened?

lap died day 1 not night 1

I meant the modal application of 'can', maybe I should have used 'could'. Irrelevant to when Lap died, I meant one where we can lose our only useful role before getting any cop results seems a bit poopoo

it seems fine to me honestly 1 cop 3 goons a bunch of people 1 cleared vt.

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Like your first reaction to that claim should be "No way there's two whole ass ungated cops in a mini that's unbalanced as hell"

I'm still not following. if you're going off of what my reaction ought to be or should be then you're wrong.

Do you think having two ungated cops is a fair amount of power in a mini (without the godfathers since you wouldn't know that as town) compared to the possibility that Lap was just scum fakeclaiming?

I have no idea how to answer this as I play every game as if it is mountainous. I caught him in a lie and decided it was best to eliminate him.

why would you play every game as if it's mountainous

it's more fun that way.

doesn't seem very practical.

maybe you started playing this one like a mountainous because you're one of 3 Godfathers?

it's practical because people who think they can setup spec are rarely right and then they end up making a bunch of posts that mean absolutely nothing and then they run up a townie based on their erroneous beliefs.

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Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted

what do you mean by this

VOTE: ranger

on the contrary, a setup where our only useful role can die in one night seems unfair, no?

That's not what happened. And it does seem fair to me.

How do you know that's not what happened?

lap died day 1 not night 1

I meant the modal application of 'can', maybe I should have used 'could'. Irrelevant to when Lap died, I meant one where we can lose our only useful role before getting any cop results seems a bit poopoo

it seems fine to me honestly 1 cop 3 goons a bunch of people 1 cleared vt.

do you think the VT counts as a confirmed townie?

a lot of smart people this game are saying yes so yes.

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what do you mean by this

VOTE: ranger

on the contrary, a setup where our only useful role can die in one night seems unfair, no?

That's not what happened. And it does seem fair to me.

How do you know that's not what happened?

lap died day 1 not night 1

I meant the modal application of 'can', maybe I should have used 'could'. Irrelevant to when Lap died, I meant one where we can lose our only useful role before getting any cop results seems a bit poopoo

it seems fine to me honestly 1 cop 3 goons a bunch of people 1 cleared vt.

do you think the VT counts as a confirmed townie?

When looking at the setup, not this current gamestate

I don't really care about the setup.

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on the contrary, a setup where our only useful role can die in one night seems unfair, no?

That's not what happened. And it does seem fair to me.

How do you know that's not what happened?

lap died day 1 not night 1

I meant the modal application of 'can', maybe I should have used 'could'. Irrelevant to when Lap died, I meant one where we can lose our only useful role before getting any cop results seems a bit poopoo

it seems fine to me honestly 1 cop 3 goons a bunch of people 1 cleared vt.

do you think the VT counts as a confirmed townie?

When looking at the setup, not this current gamestate

I don't really care about the setup.

in 1889 you were talking with me about the setup?...

rats you caught me. that one post you found the layers of depth to it that I talk about the setup the levels of hidden meaning that i'm talking about the setup. like what are you on about?

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woahh you joined in 2011? that's crazy

you should read the first game I was so young and so delusional.

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woahh you joined in 2011? that's crazy

you should read the first game I was so young and so delusional.

...link?

they're all on my wiki.

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How do you know that's not what happened?

lap died day 1 not night 1

I meant the modal application of 'can', maybe I should have used 'could'. Irrelevant to when Lap died, I meant one where we can lose our only useful role before getting any cop results seems a bit poopoo

it seems fine to me honestly 1 cop 3 goons a bunch of people 1 cleared vt.

do you think the VT counts as a confirmed townie?

When looking at the setup, not this current gamestate

I don't really care about the setup.

in 1889 you were talking with me about the setup?...

rats you caught me. that one post you found the layers of depth to it that I talk about the setup the levels of hidden meaning that i'm talking about the setup. like what are you on about?

I just want to talk to you about your saying

godfather
godfather
godfather
disloyal cop
VT
8xtown cop

is a fair setup. seems disloyal cop might accidentally out themselves day2 if they're alive and it goes into cop claiming before realising that's fatal. Now town are very dead

It seems fair to me. I don't see why we can't keep playing makes it more fun with the disloyal cop gone.

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I meant the modal application of 'can', maybe I should have used 'could'. Irrelevant to when Lap died, I meant one where we can lose our only useful role before getting any cop results seems a bit poopoo

it seems fine to me honestly 1 cop 3 goons a bunch of people 1 cleared vt.

do you think the VT counts as a confirmed townie?

When looking at the setup, not this current gamestate

I don't really care about the setup.

in 1889 you were talking with me about the setup?...

rats you caught me. that one post you found the layers of depth to it that I talk about the setup the levels of hidden meaning that i'm talking about the setup. like what are you on about?

I just want to talk to you about your saying

godfather
godfather
godfather
disloyal cop
VT
8xtown cop

is a fair setup. seems disloyal cop might accidentally out themselves day2 if they're alive and it goes into cop claiming before realising that's fatal. Now town are very dead

It seems fair to me. I don't see why we can't keep playing makes it more fun with the disloyal cop gone.

isn't 3 masons 7 VT vs goons supposed to be balanced? yet the above setup might easily get to a point where only 1 person is confirmable. plus masons have private topic and stuff

okay.

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isn't 3 masons 7 VT vs goons supposed to be balanced? yet the above setup might easily get to a point where only 1 person is confirmable. plus masons have private topic and stuff

Friends and Enemies

yeah cool so this suggests that we have at least one other cop with modifiers (let's not go too deeply into this incase of info leaks tho) and PC was coming at it from a weird angle

ranger already said it was them.

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isn't 3 masons 7 VT vs goons supposed to be balanced? yet the above setup might easily get to a point where only 1 person is confirmable. plus masons have private topic and stuff

Friends and Enemies

yeah cool so this suggests that we have at least one other cop with modifiers (let's not go too deeply into this incase of info leaks tho) and PC was coming at it from a weird angle

ranger already said it was them.

and do you believe her?

no cc so sure.

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isn't 3 masons 7 VT vs goons supposed to be balanced? yet the above setup might easily get to a point where only 1 person is confirmable. plus masons have private topic and stuff

Friends and Enemies

yeah cool so this suggests that we have at least one other cop with modifiers (let's not go too deeply into this incase of info leaks tho) and PC was coming at it from a weird angle

ranger already said it was them.

and do you believe her?

no cc so sure.

Light also claimed not standard cop in 1379. And you certainly didn't seem to believe Ranger in 1228?

I didn't see light's post I unvoted ranger and I would vote light over ranger any day of the week in this game. more importantly whom would you vote.

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isn't 3 masons 7 VT vs goons supposed to be balanced? yet the above setup might easily get to a point where only 1 person is confirmable. plus masons have private topic and stuff

Friends and Enemies

yeah cool so this suggests that we have at least one other cop with modifiers (let's not go too deeply into this incase of info leaks tho) and PC was coming at it from a weird angle

ranger already said it was them.

and do you believe her?

no cc so sure.

Light also claimed not standard cop in 1379. And you certainly didn't seem to believe Ranger in 1228?

I didn't see light's post I unvoted ranger and I would vote light over ranger any day of the week in this game. more importantly whom would you vote.

you're certainly portraying conflicting views about how many modified cops the town have but okay.

I could feasibly vote anyone except Jackson I think. For example:

VOTE: Hu Tao

Well since you and python are apparently the setup kings your vote doesn't follow. tell me are there 3 modded cops with one pseudo ic or 2 with one pseudo ic?

if three then the claims don't conflict and I'll unvote if two then one of them is lying and that should be resolved.

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You made this huge showing about the setup and now you just drop it...what?

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and python doesn't bother to engage with me and is only to happy to see us go back and forth. none of this gives you pause about anything ketchup?

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Friends and Enemies

yeah cool so this suggests that we have at least one other cop with modifiers (let's not go too deeply into this incase of info leaks tho) and PC was coming at it from a weird angle

ranger already said it was them.

and do you believe her?

no cc so sure.

Light also claimed not standard cop in 1379. And you certainly didn't seem to believe Ranger in 1228?

I didn't see light's post I unvoted ranger and I would vote light over ranger any day of the week in this game. more importantly whom would you vote.

you're certainly portraying conflicting views about how many modified cops the town have but okay.

I could feasibly vote anyone except Jackson I think. For example:

VOTE: Hu Tao

Well since you and python are apparently the setup kings your vote doesn't follow. tell me are there 3 modded cops with one pseudo ic or 2 with one pseudo ic?

if three then the claims don't conflict and I'll unvote if two then one of them is lying and that should be resolved.

I don't know to be honest. I'd imagine two but I don't really want to risk shooting at our last useful PR

this is a joke right?

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You made this huge showing about the setup and now you just drop it...what?

I've voted like 6 different people (and some of them multiple times) today I'm hardly locked in

VOTE: ketchup I'm locked in.

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and python doesn't bother to engage with me and is only to happy to see us go back and forth. none of this gives you pause about anything ketchup?

What do you want us to comment on, we've already elaborated on why we think your anti-cop equity is scummy

I didn't even see it lol. Why did you unvote when jackson told you I was town and revote now? it seems you only supposedly follow your "town picks that have higher accuracy than you" when you want.

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and python doesn't bother to engage with me and is only to happy to see us go back and forth. none of this gives you pause about anything ketchup?

What do you want us to comment on, we've already elaborated on why we think your anti-cop equity is scummy

I didn't even see it lol. Why did you unvote when jackson told you I was town and revote now? it seems you only supposedly follow your "town picks that have higher accuracy than you" when you want.

JVs townread on you was based on you being the distraction to the light wagon, since they warmed up on light it doesn't apply anymore

lmao

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and python doesn't bother to engage with me and is only to happy to see us go back and forth. none of this gives you pause about anything ketchup?

What do you want us to comment on, we've already elaborated on why we think your anti-cop equity is scummy

I didn't even see it lol. Why did you unvote when jackson told you I was town and revote now? it seems you only supposedly follow your "town picks that have higher accuracy than you" when you want.

JVs townread on you was based on you being the distraction to the light wagon, since they warmed up on light it doesn't apply anymore

It was more than that

I'm laughing on the outside and crying on the inside.

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PC if you were to describe yourself this game as an animal which would you choose?

a shrike

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PC if you were to describe yourself this game as an animal which would you choose?

a shrike

'a songbird with a strong sharply hooked bill, often impaling its prey of small birds, lizards, and insects on thorns.'

seeeeeems menacing

VOTE: Political Clout

also i think honest town would just give a simple answer rather than something clever tbh. what first came into my mind was giraffe but i have no idea why

VOTE: political clout get me out of this game lmao

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and python doesn't bother to engage with me and is only to happy to see us go back and forth. none of this gives you pause about anything ketchup?

What do you want us to comment on, we've already elaborated on why we think your anti-cop equity is scummy

I didn't even see it lol. Why did you unvote when jackson told you I was town and revote now? it seems you only supposedly follow your "town picks that have higher accuracy than you" when you want.

JVs townread on you was based on you being the distraction to the light wagon, since they warmed up on light it doesn't apply anymore

It was more than that

Didn't see, what's the extra

hitting us with the all time classics. let me question my 100% town read now and pivot.

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VOTE: light Ganski

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You argue that the rushing was the reason is also not really accurate. Remember that normal that we lost because of me rushing into conclusions? I am hyperaware of me doing that and even so that didn't even cross my mind. I wanted them goneso.

I think I just have a different outlook to you. To me, a hammer should only be applied with great care or for good reason. in a normal game, I would have sympathy for Drew hammering a cop claim as a cop. In this setup, I do not

what a weird narrative.

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And kinda a not so good vibe from Python

tell me more tell me more.

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And kinda a not so good vibe from Python

tell me more tell me more.

I just get a vibe that python is working to actively protect Ranger(and in turn push Titus), and I feel like Titus just showed herself as town as well.

I have been going back and forth on Titus/Ranger, but this feels right finally

I'm really unsure about titus might be a playstyle thing. I think there might be a scum hiding in jv ketchup and black too sorta kinda maybe. I'm alright with starting a python wagon here

VOTE: python

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ok im going to blurt any thoughts I had from end of day 1 for the next 10/20 mins or however long it takes to get them down

no thanks just do one big post thanks

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lets see where this goes

VOTE: laplacian

these two aren't a team clearly. Lap just entered the game a few pages ago and then lg goes after them irony abounds.

ik they’re not scum scum because Lap flip but is day 1 distancing unheard of?

what is your goal with this post?

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ok im going to blurt any thoughts I had from end of day 1 for the next 10/20 mins or however long it takes to get them down

no thanks just do one big post thanks

I want to but I can’t get to laptop without risking waking up my parents sorryyy so on phone it will be a lot easier to split them up I know I should’ve done this 2 hours ago but like Alice in borderland manga is too addictive ok

it be like that sometimes.

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VOTE: Light Ganski

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so why didn't we deal with the competing claims yesterday?

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... There was competing claims?

between ranger and light some type of different flavored cop.

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... There was competing claims?

between ranger and light some type of different flavored cop.

And what competing?

one of them just called the other scum.

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... There was competing claims?

between ranger and light some type of different flavored cop.

And what competing?

one of them just called the other scum.

Today.

You said yesterday.

They didn't reveal but they were the only modified town cop.

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... There was competing claims?

between ranger and light some type of different flavored cop.

And what competing?

one of them just called the other scum.

Today.

You said yesterday.

They didn't reveal but they were the only modified town cop.

it wasn’t/isnt impossible we had 3 modified cops. Only today can we be certain they clash

they were clashing yesterday by calling each other scum...iirc

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also kinda weird that python and drew just voted immediately.

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VOTE: ranger

VOTE: Titus

E-1

I'll post properly tomorrow, but I'm happy enough w this lim

I’m going to be busy most of today, so can’t type out the details of the slip.

So for the next 26 - 30 hours, let me leave with this:

Why do we know there’s more than three Cops?

Why wasn’t it possible to have Copx3 + 7VT?
Or something similar?

What made it impossible to you?

Or more importantly, what made it impossible to

Titus

?

What made it not just suspect shenanigans? What confirmed there were?

ranger a lot of your ISO seems like "raising hypotheticals that all lead to titus"

ranger's catchup still feels nothing tonally like her town game in frienemies

@black because light suspected ranger since day 1 and voted titus. because ranger's solve was titus light and python. to me It just seems like they would try and resolve eachother. idk.

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Should we not wait for ranger? Why so many votes

also kinda weird that python and drew just voted immediately.

you two also rushed to a light vote… like I agree with you but also shouldn’t you unvote?

nah

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Im still trying to work out how Light can get an 'ambiguous' result on Enchant yet a hard guilty on Ranger tbh

okay ignore the fact that they're confirmed scum.

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Im still trying to work out how Light can get an 'ambiguous' result on Enchant yet a hard guilty on Ranger tbh

okay ignore the fact that they're confirmed scum.

lol i think it’s like 99-1 she is I just want to see if there’s any defence she can muster

???????????????????????

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Im still trying to work out how Light can get an 'ambiguous' result on Enchant yet a hard guilty on Ranger tbh

okay ignore the fact that they're confirmed scum.

lol i think it’s like 99-1 she is I just want to see if there’s any defence she can muster

???????????????????????

what’s wrong with trying to see both sides of the story? what if there’s another VT still hiding for some reason? idk

lol

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let's just ignore ketchup he's either 4th scum or actually scum

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let's just ignore ketchup he's either 4th scum or actually scum

classic, ignoring my question to instead insult me

no serious question that I saw from you.

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let's just ignore ketchup he's either 4th scum or actually scum

classic, ignoring my question to instead insult me

no serious question that I saw from you.

how did you gather 4 anti-light points so quickly? If you’d indulge me I’d like to know the exact way you searched for these quotes. ISO from the top? ISO from the bottom? asap

you just ctrl f ranger lol

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let's just ignore ketchup he's either 4th scum or actually scum

classic, ignoring my question to instead insult me

no serious question that I saw from you.

how did you gather 4 anti-light points so quickly? If you’d indulge me I’d like to know the exact way you searched for these quotes. ISO from the top? ISO from the bottom? asap

you just ctrl f ranger lol

interesting, when i ctrl f it only finds words on the page we're currently on?

you have to go to lights iso

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let's just ignore ketchup he's either 4th scum or actually scum

classic, ignoring my question to instead insult me

no serious question that I saw from you.

how did you gather 4 anti-light points so quickly? If you’d indulge me I’d like to know the exact way you searched for these quotes. ISO from the top? ISO from the bottom? asap

you just ctrl f ranger lol

interesting, when i ctrl f it only finds words on the page we're currently on?

you have to go to lights iso

aha ok.

Spoiler:

VOTE: ranger

VOTE: Titus

E-1

I'll post properly tomorrow, but I'm happy enough w this lim

I’m going to be busy most of today, so can’t type out the details of the slip.

So for the next 26 - 30 hours, let me leave with this:

Why do we know there’s more than three Cops?

Why wasn’t it possible to have Copx3 + 7VT?
Or something similar?

What made it impossible to you?

Or more importantly, what made it impossible to

Titus

?

What made it not just suspect shenanigans? What confirmed there were?

ranger a lot of your ISO seems like "raising hypotheticals that all lead to titus"

ranger's catchup still feels nothing tonally like her town game in frienemies

@black because light suspected ranger since day 1 and voted titus. because ranger's solve was titus light and python. to me It just seems like they would try and resolve eachother. idk.

why is the first post you quoted out of order with the others then?

what is the point of answering this? What does it reveal to you and how does that matter to my alignment or rangers or lights?

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let's just ignore ketchup he's either 4th scum or actually scum

classic, ignoring my question to instead insult me

no serious question that I saw from you.

how did you gather 4 anti-light points so quickly? If you’d indulge me I’d like to know the exact way you searched for these quotes. ISO from the top? ISO from the bottom? asap

you just ctrl f ranger lol

interesting, when i ctrl f it only finds words on the page we're currently on?

you have to go to lights iso

aha ok.

Spoiler:

VOTE: ranger

VOTE: Titus

E-1

I'll post properly tomorrow, but I'm happy enough w this lim

I’m going to be busy most of today, so can’t type out the details of the slip.

So for the next 26 - 30 hours, let me leave with this:

Why do we know there’s more than three Cops?

Why wasn’t it possible to have Copx3 + 7VT?
Or something similar?

What made it impossible to you?

Or more importantly, what made it impossible to

Titus

?

What made it not just suspect shenanigans? What confirmed there were?

ranger a lot of your ISO seems like "raising hypotheticals that all lead to titus"

ranger's catchup still feels nothing tonally like her town game in frienemies

@black because light suspected ranger since day 1 and voted titus. because ranger's solve was titus light and python. to me It just seems like they would try and resolve eachother. idk.

why is the first post you quoted out of order with the others then?

what is the point of answering this? What does it reveal to you and how does that matter to my alignment or rangers or lights?

You tell me. What's there to hide?

the fact that it's fluff the fact that it doesn't advance the game the fact that you're taking up pages and drowning out other people from talking the fact that you can't even recognize that your questions don't generate anything of value. idk that's just off the top of the dome.

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obvs I think that they are out of order because you and at least one other mafia buddy came together in the night to find anti Light posts, then you just went to the scum PT today, selected multiple quotes and job done

so I'm framing light?

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obvs I think that they are out of order because you and at least one other mafia buddy came together in the night to find anti Light posts, then you just went to the scum PT today, selected multiple quotes and job done

and who is my partner black you said? or hu tao since they voted? or ranger and enchant?

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obvs I think that they are out of order because you and at least one other mafia buddy came together in the night to find anti Light posts, then you just went to the scum PT today, selected multiple quotes and job done

so I'm framing light?

to distance from her, yep. seems good

got it. your reasoning is impeccable.

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obvs I think that they are out of order because you and at least one other mafia buddy came together in the night to find anti Light posts, then you just went to the scum PT today, selected multiple quotes and job done

and who is my partner black you said? or hu tao since they voted? or ranger and enchant?

probably you/black/light

secret leaked files of the scum PT today:

Light: gambit go brrrrrrr
Black: distancing time
PC: wahoooooooooooooo
PC: aah ketchup got me
PC: help me black I can't take it anymore

the layers of logic the depths of your mind on how you found me wow I'm in complete awe. You have me floored dead to rights.

how you ignore python and drew voting with light and then assume I'm scum for voting light that's just flawless inductive thinking.

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you basically ignore everything that has happened day 1 and day 2 and don't point to that as distancing posts on when I call light scum those days and use this small interaction where I vote light as for sure distancing. it's all just post hoc logic with conf bias.

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obvs I think that they are out of order because you and at least one other mafia buddy came together in the night to find anti Light posts, then you just went to the scum PT today, selected multiple quotes and job done

I can guarantee this wrong, yet think this only comes from town.

I think I agree

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so why didn't we deal with the competing claims yesterday?

Because doing it the day before ELO maximizes the amount of checks that happen while still giving enough time to 1f1 people

so what's your take on the setup now?

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VOTE: ketchup

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VOTE: ketchup

Literally why

ketchup said they don't hammer for some reason now they can vote light and I can hammer.

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VOTE: light

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I have no evidence for this but people who keep saying their results as if they matter are probably mafia. They are useless and pointless.

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I have no evidence for this but people who keep saying their results as if they matter are probably mafia. They are useless and pointless.

Just like you thought I was mafia last game right :roll:

two different universes two different guesses allowed.

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We're 1v1ing. Votes should be between us today

I'm fine with that maybe sorta not really. if you also can accept that it might be python and drew. I probably need to reread this game again funnily enough. I do think it is python especially that they posted without voting light I think that was theatre.

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We're 1v1ing. Votes should be between us today

I'm fine with that maybe sorta not really. if you also can accept that it might be python and drew. I probably need to reread this game again funnily enough. I do think it is python especially that they posted without voting light I think that was theatre.

Nothing has meaningfully changed between d3 and d4 except that Ranger can't post cause she's dead which is exactly why we weren't hammering. We knew Ranger was conftown and VT, and we knew that light was confscum and Godfather

if you say so.

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We're 1v1ing. Votes should be between us today

I'm fine with that maybe sorta not really. if you also can accept that it might be python and drew. I probably need to reread this game again funnily enough. I do think it is python especially that they posted without voting light I think that was theatre.

Nothing has meaningfully changed between d3 and d4 except that Ranger can't post cause she's dead which is exactly why we weren't hammering. We knew Ranger was conftown and VT, and we knew that light was confscum and Godfather

if you say so.

Ain't no "if you say so", articulate exactly what else changed between d3 and d4

I think you either forgot to hammer which is highly suspect and not really in the front of my mind for what actually happened or didn't want to hammer to appear towny. that's all. and all this you gesticulating look how towny that I didn't hammer I am I don't buy it.

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Not hammering is objectively the higher EV play -> Python's not hammering so they look townier

Get better material

if you say so.

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hmmmmm I will say last game I was wrong about your slot. but you weren't nearly this aggressive or maybe I'm just particularly annoying this game. idk. I need to reread this game and last game and my game with hu tao. but your certainty worries me. I started calling you scum and then you started calling me scum just like last game or maybe I'm misremembering.

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We've been calling you scum since massclaim for having anti-cop equity, it's not a recent thing

can we go through that thought process once more? or are you tired of explaining it?

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It's not about your dayplay, we think you're mechanically scum here cause you played how a not-Cop would play and that's way easier to be correct about than trying to read your dayplay

This house thinks that if there are 3 godfathers then mechanically you would want to drop hints that you might be a cop. My not dropping any hints proves that I am more likely to be a cop since I don't know/didn't know the setup. what do you think?

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We've been calling you scum since massclaim for having anti-cop equity, it's not a recent thing

can we go through that thought process once more? or are you tired of explaining it?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

disloyal does appear in the thread aliana linked.

UNVOTE:

I'm going to sleep on this.

layed down for bed could not sleep felt all wrong.

VOTE: laplacian

step on the gas.

VOTE: lap

VOTE: ganski

I wanted to see how that felt, not good. This better

The claim was cursed so I wanted to dip my toes in but no, they’re just town

In particular the belief -> disbelief is pretty anti-cop while JVs disbelief -> town despite the claim is very cop

Scum didn't know d1 they'd have to all claim Cop during massclaim so the people that weren't reacting to the Disloyal Cop claim like a Town Cop would are just scum

difficult to convince that as cop this is how I would react. difficult indeed. but should I waste my time convincing you? or can I ever convince you? let me think about this for a second.

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light flipping Rolecop-Finder actually gives more credence to that theory

it's odd we find ourselves in such a similar situation...omg maybe I'm bad :( maybe it's just me :((((

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It's not about your dayplay, we think you're mechanically scum here cause you played how a not-Cop would play and that's way easier to be correct about than trying to read your dayplay

This house thinks that if there are 3 godfathers then mechanically you would want to drop hints that you might be a cop. My not dropping any hints proves that I am more likely to be a cop since I don't know/didn't know the setup. what do you think?

Also missing the point. It's not that you didn't drop hints that you were a Cop, it's that you played in a way that would disqualify you from being a Cop

isn't that how you play being a cop? or are you talking about how drew might be clear for playing how a "cop would". The only objection I really see is time. me unvoting and going to bed then getting up to revote. What if I flipped cop how would that change your solve?

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I'll tell you what I'm worried about that black and hu tao are distancing and that you aren't entertaining universes where I'm town and that we might lose because of today. I am also worried that if I'm alive then we lose the game because of ketchup who has it in his mind I'm scum because reasons. so it might be in our best interest to launch me. I hate being launched though. this would presuppose that you're town. although I am using last game heavily to influence that thought. maybe I should just 1v1 you. I think I am pretty sincere and towny. you would have ketchup on your side. then it would just mean I have to convince everyone else. let me think about it more.

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The baseline for anyone with more than a few games under their belt looking at a Disloyal Cop claim as a Cop is to think "There is no way this guy's real" and we're not willing to lose this game giving you a pass on that here

In a questionable almost normal game? it's what all gave me pause about everything.

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I think you're right that we reached an impasse. VOTE: usespython I know my alignment I'm not sure of yours. if I have to convince ketchup and everyone else so be it.

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I'm stuck tbh. I do need to reread. I remember black sometimes likes to distance from their partner as scum. and If i'm right about how you said since light flipped my theory has a bit more credence that drew might be scum or you might be completely right about drew but that doesn't make sense to me because I'm town.

I think ketchup is town. I think enchant probably lands on town maybe I do think they need to be reevaluated slightly since they aren't conftown but I imagine it's difficult to read a that type of player.

if black is scum then they have equity with hu tao. I think that's where the read lives and dies.

iirc black was town reading hu tao. on something fairly good I think. So I think hu tao is likely town. let me get the quote in a bit.

drew just feels like they are comfortable coasting. and then that leaves you python. pushing me on mech and saying drew is conftown on mech. leaves a lot to be desired imo. feels like an easy to easy of a solve for me.

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I was so excited for this game since I was finally cop and now I got tricked I feel deflated today ngl :lol:

I think this is what black quoted. but looking at it now It can be made by any alignment. it just feels town to me though. it's a good post. feels sincere and rings true. idk.

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I think I agree with python that we mafia also couldn't know the setup. just that their were maybe a plethora of investigative roles. I probably need to think more on it.

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I think I agree with python that we mafia also couldn't know the setup. just that their were maybe a plethora of investigative roles. I probably need to think more on it.

:lol:

this has potential to be the funniest slip of all time

but I’m very much down for a black lim
I just fear i might be the next nk so might delay a bit

or it clears me if you think about it.

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I think I agree with python that we mafia also couldn't know the setup. just that their were maybe a plethora of investigative roles. I probably need to think more on it.

:lol:

this has potential to be the funniest slip of all time

but I’m very much down for a black lim
I just fear i might be the next nk so might delay a bit

or it clears me if you think about it.

I am dumb

Explain it to me

It doesn't just wanted to see who would believe me. I'll be back in the afternoon

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VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already

I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?

I've only briefly played with her when she was town. Can you go into this read a little further?

I think this is of note

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VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already

I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?

I agree I’m getting townie vibes from light, and from you, hu tao (:

I’d rather be attacked by dragons
than join these crappy day 1 wagons

Can you try to explain the townie vibes you're getting?

This is even more of note

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PC try not to be cryptic challenge: impossible

It'll be interesting to see who you end up voting lol.

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That shows scum equity with ketchup light and hu tao. I think hu tao might be independently towny though. I don't know where this 1v1 from black and hu tao came from it feels like it's out of the blue or is it just me?

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I think I'm changing my mind I'm okay with flipping ketchup actually.

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Maybe I'm crazy.

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That shows scum equity with ketchup light and hu tao. I think hu tao might be independently towny though. I don't know where this 1v1 from black and hu tao came from it feels like it's out of the blue or is it just me?

where’s the scum equity??

You called light town and you called hu tao town you refused to vote light yesterday. Even though they were conf scum. Might be a play style thing.

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if I were scum with Light I’d have told her to hurry up and self hammer lol

so why were you thinking light was town? because you stick with that for a while.

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idk day 1 she was quite engaged and stuff and I was SRing Ranger at the time and thought one of them was probably lying about being a modifier cop (in fact they both were…) so Light was more likely town

oops

that happened day 2/3 and I don't see in any universe how light is engaged in days 2 and 3. they are just acting like caught scum trying not to give away info by engaging.

I am asking about day 1 specifically why did you think they light was town.

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Black -> PC probably just ends the game here

VOTE: Black

Found Hu's partner

python and Hu both know I'm busy over the weekends and they're trying to push this through before I get time to solve the game. I guess they just solved it for us

Hu --> python --> Drew wins the game

what’s your thoughts on me? and why are you not worried about Enchant who was voting you for a bit recently?

You're probably my biggest TR

And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Enchant conftown with the whole VT bastard rule thing?

no ranger is conftown but dead enchant is just a cop

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what are your thoughts on Black, PC?

56 kinda feels like a townie post

The slip makes the PC vote more reasonable though

UNVOTE: PC

?

56 kinda feels like a townie post

is overlooking an RVS vote by mistake alignment indicative?

Not really, but I'm gut townreading his tone and his eagerness to reevaluate

these posts give me a townish vibes

so I'm reevaluating between hu tao and black and I want to look elsewhere enchant isn't cleared and neither is drew no matter how much python insists that drew is for sure town mechanically or whatever python is saying.

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if black and hu tao tell me ketchup is town then the solve funnily enough ends up between enchant usespython and drew.

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black was on and off the light wagon constantly.

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who was town reading drew yesterday?

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I expected me or Python to die btw, and expected Enchant and PC never to die. so I Desk this a successful night

why?

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I expected me or Python to die btw, and expected Enchant and PC never to die. so I Desk this a successful night

why?

I thought python and I were the highest consensus Townread. Python not as strong but still high methought. You too seemed too dodgy to not be left alive

if I was scum I would never ever kill you at all. you decided I was scum long ago for ????? reasons and aren't even trying to engage with me to actually try and find my alignment you're confbiased that's alright though me or python get's resolved today anyways.

VOTE: python

both of us can't stay in the game I'm really hoping it's just python. I am waffling on it though.

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I'm totally fine just switching to ketchup and speed limming them. their progression is awful.

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Going from "1f1 Python/PC" to "Actually I want to speedlim Ketchup" is pretty suspect

I just want them out of the game.

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@mod I am vla

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Back let me catch up

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I'll tell you what I'm worried about that black and hu tao are distancing and that you aren't entertaining universes where I'm town and that we might lose because of today. I am also worried that if I'm alive then we lose the game because of ketchup who has it in his mind I'm scum because reasons. so it might be in our best interest to launch me. I hate being launched though. this would presuppose that you're town. although I am using last game heavily to influence that thought. maybe I should just 1v1 you. I think I am pretty sincere and towny. you would have ketchup on your side. then it would just mean I have to convince everyone else. let me think about it more.

in 2795 you thought Black was town tho, so why worry?

I think I'm changing my mind I'm okay with flipping ketchup actually.

3 minutes after saying you thought I was 'independently towny'? and you go to wanting to flip me? bro?

I worry because I don't actually know their alignment and am just making a day 1 read on them. At anytime I'm with holding information about why that player might be scum. They quoted hu tao who had a great post about being cop and latched onto it. I thought that was very suspect but also marginal enough to not want to mention it. In the post above I am more confident of hu tao being town than I am black.

I'm okay with flipping you because of your gameplay. That's all I'm willing to say on that.

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I'll hammer to advance but I still think it's enchant or python

I think we lose the game if ketchup is still alive and we're wrong on enchant we should vote out python today I think we hit scum with python. They had to kill drew as it makes the most sense for them as mafia since they were basically clearing them mechanically? setup wise? idk.

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python town

why?

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black didn’t answer this I don’t think. Could be PC trying to healthily push against his scum buddy but Black didn’t have a great answer so tried to get him to back off in the scum chat. I feel Black would make more of an effort to answer townpeople’s questions to avoid suspicion

I will have more stuff lol just an appetiser

I was asking because in my world view python is scum I am inviting the possibility for error into my read and saying well you tell me what you are seeing that makes python town. This is a collaborative game.

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maybe warming to Enchant as scum!Enchant had to think Ranger was a good night kill option.

won’t vote PC till he’s back from V/LA, but I want to vote PC

ranger was always going to be killed since they were basically clear.