Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[jjh927]

So the appointed time has come . . .

I must reject the curse of knowledge and strike out with my own dark power.

VOTE: Cephrir

[jjh927]

My attention is no longer directed at an event of global significance and my powers can now be focused here

I am on the move and will be in the best location to destroy evil tomorrow, but will gather intelligence for now

[jjh927]

I am now making my official entrance

Prepare yourselves

[jjh927]

If you have questions I will answer them, however they must be phrased elegantly such that they do not ruin the narrative sequence

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[jjh927]

My priorities are a little different than usual while I'm embracing my inner chuuni

[jjh927]

The fanfare was more for my majestic presence

[jjh927]

So how much of the thread have you read, and what made you vote ssbm_Kyouko?

I see all

Kyouko's STD vote followed by later unvote and apparent confusion at the wagon is my primary point of focus. Voting STD with the intention of generating content should be known to be completely pointless because STD won't do that. I don't think the 'default wagon' line of reasoning works from the standpoint of one who was willing to vote there initially

[jjh927]

Interesting that you think Kyouko comes off more believable in the Kyouko/T3 interactions

Kyouko's 582 is specific, but comes out at a later point in conversation where the layers have built up and scum could reach for a conclusion like that. The point itself doesn't hold up to a very basic level of scrutiny either. The idea that someone would specifically give T3 extra advice about Kyouko's towngame to handle that interaction is entirely outlandish, but makes sense from the perspective of scum actively trying to include "I am town" in their line of reasoning.

The bit that actually concerns me on the flip side is the recent exchange where T3 backs off and deescalates. I am aware T3 has a fairly good scumgame and he's around the middle of my list of people I want to have a conversation with

[jjh927]

Your take on 568 is downright concerning though

Do you actually believe that

[jjh927]

Yes the vote sucks but I also think it makes sense as an extension of BCG's thought process

[jjh927]

You've asked why BCG is town a few times- as a little exercise, see if you can figure out why BCG voted me there. It's unstated but very very obvious

[jjh927]

You could have let me have this one out with sircakez without giving any hints

[jjh927]

I think I'm dropping the chuuni bit but oh well

But yeah why is anyone still focused on STD at all? Dude is never going to say anything that is alignment indicative or that is going to convince anyone of anything.

[jjh927]

(If you wish to attempt to refute this, STD, I am actually up for another round of trying to beat content out of you and I'll maybe try to be less of an asshole this time round)

[jjh927]

Suspect is exactly the right word

[jjh927]

Do you think I should have kawaii as locktown

[jjh927]

I figured you weren't going to call for my immediate death

[jjh927]

Yeah that's kinda the point

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

Fwiw Cephrir also is a wagon with notional support from me but give me a bit of post-new-years time to get my shit together and look at the 4 or so slots I am conflicted on.

[jjh927]

Does anyone who scumreads Pooky want to discuss him with me specifically

[jjh927]

Well, since you seem to be here

Why would you vote Kawaii

[jjh927]

Dunnstral is quite a hard player to read

You got anything notable there?

[jjh927]

Anything quantifiable? I think it's notable that Dunnstral seems to be getting on to a very similar point there to what you were just saying about Kawaii

[jjh927]

I can appreciate you've put in effort on this one, but yeah, the actual reasoning doesn't do anything for me because ultimately whether something is warranted or not doesn't directly indicate whether or not someone really believes what they are saying

That's not to say I townread Dunnstral though

[jjh927]

Does anyone who scumreads Pooky want to discuss him with me specifically

Am I missing something or was the only person who took me up on this in any capacity whatsoever STD who doesn't even scumread Pooky

[jjh927]

Unrelated, I feel like kawaii's post quality is taking a dive and I'd like to know whether klick finds it significant or thinks this is in line w/ his stuff

Dunno how it's unrelated since we were just talking about them earlier, but I agree.

@Klick

thoughts?

Acknowledging that I've seen this and have thoughts, but am not in a place to sit and go into detail atm. Tl;dr is that I'm processing this but I lean towards still just being correct on Kawaii!town.

@jjh: I want to see if you can pick and share with me two of your reads that I will find *interesting*.

What would you find interesting? Something you disagree with, something uncommon to the thread as a whole, or something well developed? In terms of scumreads rn I have a list of people I would like to talk to, but no fully developed scumreads in that respect, so you'd probably have to be entertained by a townread at this time

[jjh927]

Okay, second prod is a bit of a reality check
I'm honestly not sure if that's happened to me before but yeah, real life has been a lot busier over christmas

Need to catch up from where I was and properly determine my scumpile

[jjh927]

Huh that's a helpful votecount

[jjh927]

Oh, just to make the reasons known on my lurking it is 100% real life

If there's any meta questions my most recent game was an actual scumgame

[jjh927]

General takes here
I think the people making commentary on my meta are poorly informed
I really don't feel like town!Alisae votes me without a confident read
Without going back to look, I think Pooky is playing very similarly to gng upick and that's why I would consider him to be hard town here.
I don't think I have a second interesting enough read in isolation for Klick's request at the present time. 'Interesting' is the qualifier though. Tonight, when I am no longer phoneposting in response to an email ping, I'll make a proper readslist and Klick or anyone else can quiz me on something I guess.
Out of my wagon, I'm confident Klick and Wheme are town and a bit optimistic that STD is town and maybe actually readable, but I've had an eye on Cephrir for basically the whole phase, PP could easily be scum, and I've already mentioned Alisae
I'll put down a vote when I centre myself with a readlist

[jjh927]

I dont think either of the reactions these two had to Alisae were commensurate with er posting, and Gamma's feels hollow, or fake, or forced, however you want to describe it.

I feel that from Cakez but not Gamma at all

I think Gamma's posting appearing forced to some people is a known phenomenon as either alignment

[jjh927]

Okay I'm at my computer

[jjh927]

Yeah that's about the response I expected from Alisae there, okay

[jjh927]

This is where the dust is settling right now but tbh the bottom 4 is basically cycling round repeatedly for me

Whemestar
Klick
Big Chungus Gaming
pookythemagicalbear
ssbm_Kyouko
Sakura Hana
Alisae
Save the Dragons
Gamma Emerald
T3

Dunnstral
Luka

KawaiiKame
Penguinpower
SirCakez
Cephrir

[jjh927]

VOTE: penguin
I read his iso and pengys basically voting any viable wagon to save himself, dude is scum. hes playing to his coasty, low-content scum meta too.

Does everyone in this game have a coasty low-content scum meta this game or what, i feel like i've heard this about others (like jjh and dunn(?)

[Citation Needed]

) as well.

JJJh is always like this, Dunn I can't get a grasp on yet

I am not always like this

[jjh927]

Yeah dust is staying settled somehow

VOTE: Cephrir

[jjh927]

I'm not a lurky player in general as either alignment?

[jjh927]

Why is this a surprise

[jjh927]

Reasoning that essentially boils down to "With my nearly entirely gut-based playstyle, I normally scumread him but right now I townread him" from a player who I don't believe has above chance reads is not going to persuade me of anything

[jjh927]

I wasn't aware of this either

I'll sleep on it and probably still decide I don't really put any stock in STD's reads, although maybe I'll total up that historical read accuracy

[jjh927]

It is what it is

Tbh if my first game with you was this one and not that one I'd probably shrug and be like yeah sure, but at this point I've read far too many of your isos

[jjh927]

Wow okay this sure is a day phase

[jjh927]

This definitely makes the game a lot easier

Penguin and T3 currently make the most sense to me as the other two


Seems we are going to have to wait THREE DAY PHASES before dayplay has any stakes and it might genuinely just not have any stakes anyway due to night actions

[jjh927]

Also yeah sure fair play to you STD, that was a good mechanical action and you have been putting effort in this game

This does kinda prove you could have put in effort on other games but I'm just gonna waive that and hope you continue to play more like this because you're doing good

[jjh927]

i have the same role pm as dunnstral except my character is hotter

That looks like a claim to me

[jjh927]

Should we eliminate pooky before gamma

[jjh927]

VOTE: No EliminationVOTE:

Did anyone try voting no elim or are we just assuming it won't work


Otherwise yeah

[jjh927]

Oops

[jjh927]

Just to be absolutely safe I think we should wait until everyone has checked in on this day phase

[jjh927]

It'd really suck if someone had a gladiate or something that could get us out of this situation and didn't get a chance to use it

[jjh927]

With all this context honestly I'm a bit annoyed that Luka let himself go over Klick when he had a jailkeeper and there were 2 guilties

[jjh927]

But yeah Pooky making the kill here might just imply strongman

[jjh927]

Or a role that powers up by killing people

But yeah, I think odds are Pooky is more valuable to the scumteam than Gamma's almost certainly 1 shot bullshit ability equivalent to mafia having a vig crossed with a double night

which means that unfortunately someone is going to have to perform an act of community service and replace into a completely guiltied slot. Preferably someone pleasant with good memes

[jjh927]

I might not have to try very hard

I still think after these guys we go PenguinPower and then T3 makes sense to me as the last scum

[jjh927]

Got a bit of doubt around T3 at the moment but I think I'll figure it all out by the time it is relevant and I actually have to be awake in this game

[jjh927]

That seems like a pretty good time for me to place my vote too

There isn't much to say and all that was really gonna be said has been said

[jjh927]

I was pretty sure it was Alisae but didn't think scum would figure that as well and make the kill there over Klick

T3 is in a PT with me after he neighbourised me with BCG's neighbouriser and seems very much like he is solving


Also I personally think Wheme needs to claim right now

[jjh927]

Actually, that gets even stranger if the vanillaise happens after actions which is possibly indicated by the flip coming first, because in that case I would assume that killing sakura and vanillaising klick would be the play

[jjh927]

ssbm_Kyouko
Sakura Hana
Whemestar
Klick
KawaiiKame
Luka
Pookythemagicalbear


Cephrir
jjh927
Save the Dragons
Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral
SirCakez


Alisae
T3
Penguinpower

as is I have my preferences in this order for viable wagons at this point:

PP>dunn>alisae>jjh

and then if t3 was to become a flashwagon I would put that above dunn

Why would BCG give a neighborizer to their scumread?

That was one of my first questions too but obviously we don't get an answer to it

What we do get is that this is the only possible truth

[jjh927]

I brought up the PT now because there is no longer any plausible mechanical reason for the PT to be beneficial and it's only useful from a dayplay perspective

[jjh927]

idk whemestar just looks unreadable to me.
Why do u want him to claim today when we already got confscum to eliminate?

I have reasons I'll reveal after he claims

[jjh927]

Not going to make his life easier in the event he is scum by stating them beforehand and your speculation is somewhat harmful here

[jjh927]

Koba probably thought the benefits of getting a PT with town!jjh in D1's position were very high

I think there's been a misunderstanding - to clarify, T3 was the one who got the neighbouriser

[jjh927]

What we do get is that this is the only possible truth

No, the other possible truth is you're both scum and gambiting.
However even if you're not lying about the neighborhood that doesnt mean T3 or you are town (but i doubt you're both scum if said neighborhood indeed exists)

You mean a highly counterclaimable scenario, got it

[jjh927]

How would scum know that

[jjh927]

The only way this could be a fabrication is if the neighbouriser was given to gamma or pooky and lying about it would be completely pointless anyway

[jjh927]

You think it is conceivably possible that I would make a play as scum that risks the entire game on the belief that koba gave a neighbouriser to kyouko and not any other player in the game for no mechanical benefit whatsoever?

[jjh927]

Did the vanillaise take place before or after you got a watcher result

[jjh927]

From my perspective I thought it was pretty definitely Alisae but maybe scum might think it was me because I was trying to play like I was

[jjh927]

Yeah, do that

[jjh927]

Yeah that might have tipped them off
It would have been another clue if they have another in there

I did have pooky in my townreads day 1 so I didn't think they would be able to rule me out

[jjh927]

I think it's entirely possible that this game contains bullshit

[jjh927]

The power gamma used was a cult factional power

I suspect they can use 1 a night, and possibly 1 per player

the vanillaise was definitely one as well

[jjh927]

I think it's entirely possible that this game contains bullshit

Do you think we're doing well? We only got 1 miselim left and we're at evens you know, despite having caught 2 scum N1...

I think Alisae should have revealed earlier based on the role PM

[jjh927]

Additional powers could have been bestowed with more developed reads, and also Alisae would have been a bulletproof IC

Also, increasing likelihood of scum finding conclusively who Cid is due to an action failing

[jjh927]

Like, that just should have happened day 3 or maybe even day 2

[jjh927]

But I'm saying that with the hindsight of Alisae having just died so that maybe colours my perception and perhaps I am being harsh there

[jjh927]

I actually misunderstood that then

I thought Cid could just reveal as shadow without having to get eliminated first

[jjh927]

It might be that pooky did use the vig kill on Alisae and it failed

[jjh927]

Anyway, I'm gonna go to bed

Please make sure wheme claims because he definitely needs to

[jjh927]

It might be that pooky did use the vig kill on Alisae and it failed

Pooky wasnt multitasking so no.

I just assume multitasking generally speaking but sure, if we go down that route then why do you think pooky didn't use both of his vig shots
Did he vig on n1 and then do the scum nightkill on n2 without using his vig?

[jjh927]

Your spec is off

Also, new question

Why didn't pooky just claim the vig

[jjh927]

He claimed vanilla in a game where cid literally gave him a role and there are last wills

[jjh927]

But anyway, more on that after wheme has claimed and I have got some sleep

[jjh927]

He had already claimed vanilla on day 2. Which guarantees he will eventually be caught due to the nature of the game

[jjh927]

Hmm I'm still not asleep

VOTE: Whemestar

You need to claim

[jjh927]

I'd rather not leave it at that but it tracks somewhat with my expectations for your actual role

[jjh927]

You're lucky I should be sleeping

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna explain some shit at some point tomorrow

[jjh927]

Is this too obvious or am I just dumb

The latter

This being said, explain what dumb thing you have spotted as it makes it a lot easier to conclusively place you unlike the rest of your content this game

[jjh927]

jj, point me at the mechposts.

There aren't really any interesting mechposts other than flips, the guilties, and the bullshit that was day 2.

There are things you can figure out if you are familiar with the source material

[jjh927]

Is this too obvious or am I just dumb

The latter

This being said, explain what dumb thing you have spotted as it makes it a lot easier to conclusively place you unlike the rest of your content this game

[jjh927]

Yes

[jjh927]

has wheme changed significantly in the last 2 years or so?

Not particularly but in my experience this is exactly the kind of question town!wheme would answer

[jjh927]

Every year in the Holy City of Lindwurm an event is held called the Goddess Trial. This event is held by the church aid is a combat trial held on the day that the Sanctuary door opens in which ancient warrior spirits are awoken from within that answers any challenger who is deemed worthy.

Unbeknownst to most, the challenge has a more sinister history.

Our story now continues as the goddess trial begins...

.

The Goddess Trial has begun the cult has selected Klick and Luka to participate. Players may only vote for these two players for this game day.

Flavor nerds: what is the likelihood this is a game event and not tied to a specific player? Specifically, is this a plot event fairly early in the series?

It is nil because Gamma Emerald was tracked using the ability and the scum role PM includes that scum can use factional powers detailed in their PTs rather than their role PMs.

I thought when you wanted me to direct you to mechanics posts you meant like, a summary with interesting discussion and not just the flips that you could find in Firebringer's iso


On a flavour note, the goddess trial is towards the end of the first cour

There is one aspect to this game which I think flavour will be relevant towards but I'm going to keep relatively quiet about that until I get more out of wheme

[jjh927]

Is this too obvious or am I just dumb

The latter

This being said, explain what dumb thing you have spotted as it makes it a lot easier to conclusively place you unlike the rest of your content this game

Oh I missed this

I don’t understand how you know anything and how me saying that bcg targeting t3 makes sense to me checks out with you when you shouldn’t know anything because I looked back and Ali gave u no powers

I've noticed a pattern in the roles that Ali gave out

[jjh927]

I think it's reasonable to anticipate 4 factional abilities and that each scum can use 1

[jjh927]

The luka-klick gladiate thing was one and was used by Gamma.
We don't know if anything was used n2 because there was no public feedback on day 3, and it's possible that not all of the factional things have public effects
N3 they used a vanillaise on sakura

There is a possibility given the strength of the two abilities we know about that it's also limited to use every other night, but I would rather not assume that.



Almost all mech in this game has been either self explanatory from my pov, or alternatively it's been discussions with hindsight that ultimately won't help play

I may as well reveal at this point what I have been holding back, which is that while flavour does not affect the abilities that are bestowed by cid, the order in which they are given does. Specifically, each ability corresponds to the canonical chair of shadow garden.

[jjh927]

I may as well reveal at this point what I have been holding back, which is that while flavour does not affect the abilities that are bestowed by cid, the order in which they are given does. Specifically, each ability corresponds to the canonical chair of shadow garden.

[jjh927]

Half of Cid's role PM was hidden

[jjh927]

Wait, so the cid pm in fire’s posts was edited in?

The Cid PM in the OP still has the latter half redacted

[jjh927]

I thought Cid could also just reveal whenever he wanted

Not sure where I got that impression but I definitely had it

[jjh927]

There is point in voting outside of party boat, actually
If scum are indeed limited to using one of their factional powers per player, then we would be in a better position mechanically if we voted out a different scum player in this day phase

Depends on roles though

[jjh927]

We know Gamma has already used an ability

[jjh927]

Always. Eliminate. Known. Scum. First

There isn't a mechanical reason for that in this game

[jjh927]

If there is a goon that we know about and can eliminate at any time, and then there is also potential to vote out a scum power role before they get to do something, then the goon is not a priority

It's likely a 50% if we do get a scum if my assumptions are correct


Regardless of whether I am right or wrong, we will be back to trying to find a scum in day 5

[jjh927]

Like, there is potential utility in voting outside of party boat and I maintain there is no risk of leaving that slot alone for this one day phase

It's at least worth shopping around, especially if it helps people get more into the game

[jjh927]

Do we know Gamma is a goon? I thought the gladiate was a factional ability?
It's possible all of them are goons and all of them just can use factional abilities and only get actual PRs out of Cid.

Yes, they are all goons and all of them can use factional abilities and only get actual PRs out of Cid.

I don't think you are understanding me

[jjh927]

Cult Abilities: You can use one of the cults mysterious abilities. See your PT for more information.

This is what pooky's role PM said

It says they can use ONE of the cult's abilities

[jjh927]

Assuming they have at least 4 abilities to choose from, each scumbutt can only use one of them overall

Essentially, gamma slot has used that ability. Of the 2 other scum, one of them most likely has not used their ability

[jjh927]

I don't really understand what there is to not get about this

We would have voted out party boat today and voted out whoever we will ultimately vote out in this day phase yesterday
The eliminations are the same but the order is better

[jjh927]

That ship has sailed but if you're gonna take the kneejerk "jjh was defending confirmed scum!!!!!!!!" approach then we're not going to get anywhere at all

[jjh927]

Wheme, you need to claim because it'll make you a lot easier to place and your role does not appear to have delivered on the level of utility I would anticipate

[jjh927]

If you're scum you will probably have to lie about aspects of your role including targets and results

[jjh927]

Going for Unknown scum is probably even more dangerous.
This is just an extreme scenario but, assume on top of Pooky's vig granted by Cid, Scum also has another factional vig and could kill 2 townies tonight, if you miselim today we'd just straight up lose the game (well i guess probably not since we're at evens, but that's not the point).

Why did you consider this a viable argument in the last day phase

[jjh927]

If you'd told me you wanted to no lim in this day phase then I'd have been in strong support of limming party boat

This does however, create the 4th consecutive day of nothing mattering

[jjh927]

I'm really not confident and we're at a late stage of the game. I would appreciate if you'd at least pretend we're gonna elim someone in this phase so there are any stakes or I'm gonna continue to struggle here

[jjh927]

Bro no I wouldn’t I would just claim what Ali gave me because there is no reason not to

You have literally ignored scum fakeclaims and instead claimed total nonsense in the past

And again, reason not to is that your targets as scum and your results may need some faking and I think I can catch you on that. Depends on the role though

[jjh927]

If you're scum you will probably have to lie about aspects of your role including targets and results

Do you think that Wheme is scum here for not claiming???

I'm getting an inclination but he could still be town depending on the exact role

He tends to be more cooperative as town but he might actually have a good reason not to be

[jjh927]

I know I have a few more T3 posts to look at and that's what tipped me off initially but are the T3 voters looking at the posts in thread and not seeing a very self-consistent narrative that is backed by a reasonable thought process

[jjh927]

T3's trajectory on you was mainly because T3 asked me why I disagreed with his reason for townreading you in our hood

[jjh927]

I'm starting to rethink PP now, which is exactly the kind of result I wanted from actively discussing this and not just no limming

If Wheme actually turns out to have a role with a valid reason to not reveal here, and his actions and results make sense, then that might be good enough for me. Conversely, if it's not a good reason, that will strongly indicate scum!wheme doing whatever benefits him most in the moment. But I think I'm okay leaving Wheme to resolve himself.

If you guys eliminate T3 I will be actually quite annoyed.


I want to get some good timing and have a live discussion with tired person at this point

[jjh927]

Do you have any thoughts on Tired Person right now, penguin

[jjh927]

I think it's worth looking at these two posts together

tbf I don't disagree with the other two

i do. wheme is very towny, and i don't see how anyone could have a read on me. and i checked before i decided to replace in, cephrir was towny.

Ok so who are your suspects? I thought Klicks PoE pool was solid

keeping in mind i haven't really bothered to sort anyone since day 1 because of the guilties and klick v luka thing, the pool of people i don't strongly tr is probably jjh/t3/penguin/you.

i think out of this pool, you are the towniest and penguin is the scummiest. i don't really have reads on t3 and jjh but one is probably scum because of process of elimination.

I know I have a few more T3 posts to look at and that's what tipped me off initially but are the T3 voters looking at the posts in thread and not seeing a very self-consistent narrative that is backed by a reasonable thought process

i am literally sheeping two confirmed towns: klick and sakura.
i also don't really have a read on t3 while i do have a townread on several people.

can u towncase t3? other than by saying he is clearly town.

[jjh927]

Very much feels like they're trying to appear to be doing more than they are doing

but yeah if I'm going to respond to that request to towncase T3 then I will do it in real time, because I think I've set out quite succinctly what makes T3 town and it's there if you actually look for it

[jjh927]

So it turns out I wasn't actually as annoyed about the t3 elimination as I thought I'd be

[jjh927]

I need to go through the PT with a fine tooth comb but essentially, I think T3 was definitely gauging my responses on various players and spent a looot of effort on penguinpower

I think Bingle is probably town here just from a small piece in there tbh

I wouldn't normally try to place people based on dead scum but in this case I feel kinda obligated to at least try and draw some conclusions given the guy used a neighbouriser to pocket me



Lastly, I will need to share my mech cheatsheet because I gave that info to T3

[jjh927]

It's not, really

The whole T3/penguin thing still feels a bit weird because of the amount of time T3 spent trying to convince me that PP was town only to instantly drop that but I don't feel I can really conclude anything there

[jjh927]

The other thing being that T3 neighbourised me after I said T3/penguin were the likely other 2 scum

[jjh927]

I think T3's biggest objective was to try and get me to drive an actual push on Wheme, which tells us nothing at this stage

[jjh927]

As an aside, I am conscious that my reads have been total shite this game

[jjh927]

I don't really know at this point
I think I've generally overlooked cakez for being somewhat towny in more recent days

That being said there is a notable absence of any discussion on cakez whatsoever in PT with T3

[jjh927]

Cakez makes the most sense to me from a PoE perspective but at this point I've got a lot of doubt on my pool and no particular reason to scumread anyone

[jjh927]

I thought he seemed to be genuinely struggling with the gamestate

I also thought penguin was a better direction to be looking at in the previous day phase than T3 but that turned out to be not true at all

I also noted more work being done to actually place people but looking back it's more like firing off stray shots

[jjh927]

With the first note, I am well aware that is easy to fake but I think I got a bit too big for my boots this game as I very much believed I could identify that kind of thing anyway

[jjh927]

I could give the play by play of the PT but I've been kinda waiting to see what bingle does

[jjh927]

That doesn't work at all, no, because that gives me fucking nothing and I'm now entirely reliant on you guys just solving the game

[jjh927]

Up until now I could at least input into the process but yeah

Okay, gut reaction is Bingle has been being disingenuous since he replaced in

[jjh927]

But yeah I was hoping to have some interaction that wasn't just being immediately hammered, although this is scum indicative in itself

Other than that, best of luck. You all did have a lot of reasons for me being town that you managed to ignore so the circumstance is heavily of your own making

Also my last will is out of date

[jjh927]

I was heavily wrong on T3 and you limmed there in spite of me, so who knows- maybe you'll get the last scum

Acting like the game is "autowin" in a situation like this is dangerous though because I have no clue who the last scum is and I wanted to be able to more conclusively say if it was Bingle or not before moving forwards

You guys honestly looked at interactions between me and T3 and came to the conclusion they were faked? That shit's on you. I played this game atrociously, don't get me wrong- but I should probably have been one of the easiest reads in the game right now

[jjh927]

It's more that I'm annoyed at being quicklimmed than anything when I was holding stuff back specifically to help generate content

[jjh927]

If anything I'm most annoyed at the offchance that Bingle is town here because out of everyone, I think he should know better but has been able to get away with voting me. His approach to my slot since shortly after he replaced in was primarily focused on picking faults rather than making deductions

[jjh927]

so basically there is a chance that he is town and has just quickhammered me

That's the frustrating part

I can't just take the objective evidence that he's been taking a disingenuous approach to my slot that is the quickhammer and say "Yep, he's scum".

I needed a drawn out conversation where I could get a reevaluation out of him if he was town

[jjh927]

I don't know

That's basically the problem


Jingle isn't gonna show before Firebringer locks the thread anyway, even though he cast the hammer vote and would have every reason to be refreshing this thread frequently as town


Maybe ask him in what way my play this game was similar to vengeful ghosts because I can assure you my dayplay in that game was nothing special and bringing it up as a good scumgame only serves as a means to increase paranoia about me

[jjh927]

To elaborate on earlier, I also don't think Jingle misses the human aspect of my PT with T3 and if he was town he'd have gone looking for evidence of that in my posting and actually weighed it up. Essentially, if I was scum, T3 would have neighbourised me on a purely mechanical level and then every aspect of that interaction would have been faked. That seems like something that can be lost on most of the people voting me but I am certain that with this kind of mechanical aspect to it that Jingle would specifically look into this in a way he did not. He just came out of being prodded and immediately voted me while I had indicated I wanted to interact with him here