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Hello!
This is my first game here, and I played mafia years ago on other sites. The rules are different than what I remember, and this style of "get half of the votes and you are eliminated and the day ends" is def new.
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Actually, I think I tried playing here briefly years ago, as Timmer, if any of that era still existsThere are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Alright, so I have questions.
I'm used to the idea of 48 hour days that end at 48 hours and never sooner, so... sorry if this sounds dense, but how does a "day" possibly last 10 calendar days? Or is it really rare for a day to go that long? What do we talk about on Day 1 for that long, lol?
Also, the idea of pressuring people with votes and then they role claim etc. That's a new dynamic for me, the bulk of my past play role claiming was never, ever allowed. So... traditionally, how does this play out? I'll have to get used to it, I was wired to consider that not a "fun" style of mafia.
And finally, I need to figure out the voting tags, so VOTE: TimmerRCThere are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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As a Sturgill Simpson fan, I'm penciling you in as town for making me think of a great song with that post.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Ok, my coffee hasn't kicked in yet and it took way too long to figure out that VIP is Aneninen.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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VIP did a group read on post 59. Most of their thoughts seem fine, I'm personally not willing to label individual posts as townie or scummy yet as I don't know the site meta, but the "things noticed" were indeed things to be noticed. I'm guessing that much of the tone about Gimli asking about masons is there to get a reaction response from Gimli, so I like that.
Null read overall.
In regards to Gimli, one thing I noticed was a major bit of self-awareness in posts 46 and 47. It was a "it is simply too early for trying to make cases" thing I guess but overly self-aware can sometimes be a scumread for me, so... noted.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Regarding React Youtuber, that's such a great term for something so important! I love it. For me, it's a later game thing, periods like Day 1 simply reacting to posts is literally a must to get things going, but later game it is a huge scumread tool.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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I'm chuckling a bit because I just thought "oh, I should go remove that vote from myself" but then here's your post and now it would look reactionary, lol.In post 87, Cometbright wrote:
I do find it interesting that you clearly grasp the idea of using votes to pressure people and then proceed to vote yourself. New scum players do tend to be a little scared of starting any conflicts so plays like that come across as a little people-pleasing and non-confrontational. Who's your biggest scumread right now?
As for the question though, generally speaking roleclaiming happens when someone is put at E-1 (one vote away from execution) and someone else announces an intent to hammer (cast the final executing vote) and they'll usually give a time-frame (e.g. "I'll hammer in 24 hours.") which gives the person on the gallows a chance to roleclaim so town avoids executing a PR.
I'll do it anyway. UNVOTE: TimmerRC
Technically I'm only a newer player to this site's meta. It has been years since I played but back in the day I played a lot.
In terms of scumreads, the only thing I've got jotted down is that both Afrayed and Gimli seemed oddly defensive in tone in replying to people's thoughts against them considering it is all fluffy early game stuff.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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In post 91, Afrayed Knott wrote: UNVOTE:
VOTE: TimmerRC
I’m not defensive at all. But I don’t like you right now.
I agree with usespython in post 100 re: kitty, she reads as a first timer who doesn't seem to have built in self-awareness yet.
I'm realizing that even if it is early and mostly based on jokey things, that making scumreadlists and using/moving votes is an expected tool here, I'm not used to voting this early at ALL. (just read to #112, vip you touch directly on this, so bear with)
Afrayed in 117 he is just very absorbed about how he is being perceived in this game and working hard to define himself for us/to suggest that we see him as he wants us to see him, which I don't love.
Dragon #125, "What do you think about usesPython and Afrayed Knott? And what do you think about Comet?" I'm not loving Afrayed at all, and frankly let's just VOTE: Afrayed while I'm sitting on this vibe. I'll get back to you on the other two in a minute, I'm still getting used to reading a game that moves like this, keeping organized is an effing challenge, lol.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Who are your gut feelings about?In post 157, Kittiesecret wrote: comet: #98 Yes I'm going to marinate on my thoughts a while we are only barely 24 hours into the game and 6 pages. I do have some gut feelings about some players but that's all they are at this moment.
I'm new, I don't have thought processes yet... I have gut feelings but those aren't based in any kind of fact, We have like 9 days to go before a decision really needs to be made.
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re: python and comet, they both seem to be... playing? Sorry, I'm essentially null on virtually everyone at this point with Afrayed's self-aware chatter being a minor exception.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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I'm glad to see the game has slowed down a bit, I'm struggling to sort it out. @Dragon, how did your catch up go, it sounded like there would be thoughts, yet there are no thoughts.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Going to work to catch up on this tomorrow, sorry, long day of work and Canadian thanksgiving.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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That was intense, can someone explain the purpose of feigning a elim?There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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I'm so sorry, everyone. This game is completely overwhelming my brain and when I do manage to log in I just kind of skim the pages. This is massively different than what I'm used to, and some of you post so much that I am just lost.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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I have no reads, no vibes, no idea about anything. Page 21 is generally day 5 for the games I used to play, this is just overwhelming.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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My problem is that my traditional scum-hunting route is to ignore day 1, which is usually fluff, and wait for an elim, which in my mafia world usually was within the first 48 hours. Once that happened and then a night 1 death went through or didn't, I would start to analyze how people talked to each other, how they voted and most importantly when, and in what order. I'd look to find where the scum were hidden in voting patterns etc.
But this game so far, I don't see how I can really provide a read yet, because everything that everyone is saying is completely plausible as both town and scum, if they are good players. A good player can EASILY be scum and post pro-townie, ESPECIALLY on day 1. So when you guys are asking me for my thoguhts, I have none because I've got NOTHING that feels truly scummy to point to. Any of the posts made in this game up to now could easily be either alignment.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Quick follow up to my earlier post about being overwhelmed... I had signed up for this thinking it was in a way a newbie game, which to my mind meant it would be a bit more low key, is.... this... what is considered simple and straightforward on this site, lol?
Like, the level of posting and the sheer amount of words in what is essentially nothing? Is this a quieter game by the site's standards?There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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UNVOTE:
Removing my vote on afrayed as at this point I have no bearing on him.
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Okay, good to know. I'm feeling smothered, lol. But, it just means taking a step back and reframing the reality of the game in my head and then re engaging, so tonight I'll begin that, I have no interest in bowing out.In post 545, usesPython wrote:
Day 1 in micros tend to be 20-50 pages long depending on the playerlistIn post 543, TimmerRC wrote: Quick follow up to my earlier post about being overwhelmed... I had signed up for this thinking it was in a way a newbie game, which to my mind meant it would be a bit more low key, is.... this... what is considered simple and straightforward on this site, lol?
Like, the level of posting and the sheer amount of words in what is essentially nothing? Is this a quieter game by the site's standards?
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That's the plan, I'm going to work on the game this evening after work !In post 549, Cometbright wrote: I'm probably going to drop it for now though because I feel like my last 10 posts on the matter have just been me repeating and rephrasing myself and there doesn't seem to be much support for it right now. I wish I could see the strong town vibes from Knott's posts that others seem to see - I'm just not getting it.
Moving onto the Timmer wagon that follows, arghhhhh... Timmer's still in my limpool but at the same time there's this vibe with him that he's the classic newbie!town who gets executed day 1 for not conforming/fitting into the gameplay as well as others. Yeah he's not posted much and when he does post there's not much to it so for that alone I don't think a lim on him is *awful* but... I dunno. I think if it comes to like the final three days and we're settling on a lim I'd be okay with it but I don't think he's scummy enough for me to be actively pushing at this point.
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Okay, so my bread and butter when we are in an early part of the game is looking for inconsistency in people's gameplay, especially surrounding votes and timing of votes. Normally by now I' be in day 3 or so and I've had a lot more to work with but I'm adapting!
So looking at the votes so far in the game, I'm curious to ask about a few shifts in patterns.
@python, you were vote-crazy in the early stage of the game, 10 of the first 31 votes were from you, 32% of them. And you were placing votes consistently through your posts, never making more than 9 posts between voting changes. But then you pulled back from voting, it seems.
From the moment you voted VIP (for real, not the hammer gambit), you made 30 posts in the game before moving your vote to me, and since that point you've made 15 posts without moving it again. And only one of the last 20 votes (5%) in the game was from you.
Are you moving away from RVS?
@Dragon, you are a different story.
You weren't quite as vote-crazy early on, making only 4 of the first 31 votes (12.5%), but you've made 8 of the last 20 in the game (40%).
In fact in those 20 votes, no one else has made more than 2. And of those 8 votes, 7 of 8 were votes for people who already had votes against them. Please double check this, but:
- you voted Kittie when VIP's vote was on them,
- VIP when black and python were on them,
- back to kittie, same scenario,
- on Black, a vote that i think was the only one on him but it lasted only one post of yours, and then...
- on yourself(!) when VIP was on you,
- then Gimli when Knott and Python were,
- Knott when Comet and I were on them,
- on me when Knott and Python were on me...
From what I can see your only vote in that streak that was an original vote was your vote for Black, and you changed that vote in your very next post, self-voting instead.
So my question for you is why are you making so many votes than everyone else in this stage of the game, but only 1 of them is an "original" vote that wasn't following an established lead, and that lasted all of 1 post of yours?
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Considering that i just found that you are basically voting more than the rest of the game combined right now, I would say that you are posting a ton and know very well where the game is at? You are def my top scumread at the moment.In post 560, DragonEater70 wrote: I still haven't caught up, and I am not sure when I will have time to fully catch up (I do intend to do ot as soon as I can),There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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That'll do it for me for this evening, that was an hour and a half of studying vote patterns and my eyes are falling out, goodnight!There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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If someone is voting a ton, but always for people who already have votes, it pings me big time.In post 575, Afrayed Knott wrote:
So you think the more votes someone throws down then they are scum, is that your bottom line?
And if someone votes as much as they have and then says they are trying to catch up, it makes no sense to me.
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Yeah, they tend to be blendy. Like someone else starts something and they say "yeah!" And vote with it. But they never take any stand of their own.In post 588, Black wrote:
Not voting your main scumread because no one else is voting them seems weird. I can understand this if it were later in the Day closer to the deadline but what is the point of not voting there this early in the game?In post 567, Afrayed Knott wrote: @- I didn’t vote for Commet as there was nothing moving on her, and then one of my other lim listers stared to role so I jumped on it. I voted for VIP to put a little pressure on as the game was IS going slowly. Nothing but big walls and lurkers, until now. seems the lurkers have awokenBlack
I actually agree with this somewhat. This isn't always the case but I think scum are way more likely to have unoriginal thoughts and votesIn post 576, TimmerRC wrote:
If someone is voting a ton, but always for people who already have votes, it pings me big time.In post 575, Afrayed Knott wrote:
So you think the more votes someone throws down then they are scum, is that your bottom line?
And if someone votes as much as they have and then says they are trying to catch up, it makes no sense to me.
Lots of votes with original thoughts = town
Lots of votes on other people's work = scum
I'm still trying to learn the vibe here but that's the kind of thing I looked for where I used to play.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Well you have over 5k posts on the site, so I'd say you prob know how mafia is played here?In post 586, Aneninen wrote:
Timmer, 561. Are you trying to read players on the basis of the number of their votes and their position on a wagon? I may know less than most others how Mafia's being played here, but I don't think it's a good idea. The latter part, the position, is not entierly bad, but I think it's much more complicated than launching/joining. The first part is something I've never found informative. How often a player moves their vote tells more about their general playstyle than about their alignment.
And yes, it's the positioning of the votes, and their tendency to always be a second or third vote on someone that caught my eye the most. When the games most frequent voter, which dragon is, never starts anything of their own, except for one lone time and they literally pull back from it one post later, I feel it needs to be pointed out.
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My breaks over and playing on a phone sucks, but I'll shout out that it is immensely frustrating to have multiple people in the game be like "timmer let's hear some thoughts" and the instant I provide thoughts Knott is like "this is contrived he's scum".
I don't think it says Knott is scum necessarily, just pointing out that for a player struggling to keep up, that shit is demoralizing.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Right now in the game I feel comfortable with python and kittie being town. Pythons shift in game play from rvs to Elim hunt feels right to me, and full disclosure I haven't had a ton of time to study kitties posts, many of them are novels, but it's clear she is actively trying to play and I don't tend to see that in newbie scums.
Afrayed and dragon would be on the scummier end of a list of I made one.
Everyone else is a blank in my head so this evening my plan is to give players like black, gimli etc some study.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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[quote=usesPython post_id=13945933 post_num=616 time=1697061620 user_id=36963
I disagree, I think you can slot newbies within a few specific archetypes and read them pretty accurately
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I agree with this for a true newbie, in the absence of experience and nuance there are definitely a few classic mistakes or styles you can look for. In the case of myself, I'm not new to mafia, I'm only new to the site's gameplay format, years ago I played dozens of games on revolutionmafia, the syndicate, epicmafia, a few others. So I've been quietly bristling(?) at Dragon's attempts to pigeonhole me into a comparison with some other player in some other game, as it is something I can't even defend against. And it feels a bit scummy to try to wrap a label around a player, as if you succeed at it, literally everything that player says from that moment forward would seem corrupted and if you wrong, which he is, you've thrown a wrench into town's play. If I recall correctly, I think he tried to label kittie as well.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Oops, lost a bracket, there.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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What does "pocket someone" mean? I've been struggling with that one all game.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Perfect, thank you, Python.
I just finished an iso of Black. So my read of Black is that she follows the game and adapts her opinion of players as the game evolves.
For instance, she has gone from liking python's reads, to feeling like the "hammer" showed a bad vote from python (before realizing that it was all fake), then voted python after gimli gave thoughts they liked about them, then had a bit of a back and forth with python.
She seems focused on breaking down her thoughts on people once she puts them on her focus list, and I like that. Her opinions on Python, me, VIP and Dragon have all evolved over time.
The only thing I found odd, and I would love to hear thoughts from Black on this, is that arguably the player she has been consistently negative towards is Gimli, yet Gimli has never received a vote from Black.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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In post 658, Black wrote:
I'm not sure how you can read my whole ISO and come to the conclusion that I have been consistently negative towards Gimli
#295 & 302 & 311 & 313 sums up a position where you didn't really trust Gimli's interactions with the fake hammer.
You briefly follow a Gimli vote lead on python in 513/516 but then 606 you say Gimli is pocketing someone and in 613 mention that you are considering a vote their way.
IT's a fair bit of "i don't trust you" from you to them. What I found odd was the lack of a corresponding vote anywhere, but looking at my vote timeline chart thingy i made, you actually aren't very vote-y at all so it's not exactly a ping. I really just wanted to hear you elaborate on where you are at re: Gimli.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Speaking of Gimli... I just read their ISO and my eyes are bleeding.
So if gimli is town here, he knows he's not trying to change things and he's being lazy. But if he's bad, would he need to care?In post 246, Gimli wrote: I'm kinda zoned out of this game and don't remember anything anymore sorry
I think this is a gamestate in which town loses the majority of the time btw
The reaction to the fake hammer is interesting... I'm trying to think it through from their pov, and I'm struggling to find anything townie about it. It was clearly a gut reaction to thinking that the day had just spontaneously crashed to a close with an elim, but I feel like there is a stronger likelihood that such a move "I better pull out of that omg" would be made from a scum. Even if technically it makes no sense, a knee jerk reaction like that would be more likely from a baddie, I think as they are so acutely aware of how their votes can be evidence.
In post 298, Gimli wrote: VIP was never near hammer and my surprise was that I initially thought people thought VIP was hammered
I unvoted cause I thought for a second it was L-1 and not python trolling (don't wanna put anyone in L-1)
This just doesn't even make sense. And Gimli knows it, see their subsequent "just kill me" posts.
And then we enter a brief phase where Gimli tries to provide some content with posts like this:
But it's just talking. It's talking about players from a remove. I think Gimli is bad.In post 514, Gimli wrote: I feel like python is playing agoodgame. solid stances, some thread control, relaxed and witty. A good game, but considering how what happened to timmer is what happened with every other LHF probable townie in the game (afrayed knott seems legitimate, so does kitty, for instance), then that means the scum, at least one of them, is doing exactly what python is doing. there are no scummy people left, so we have to look at who looks towny but doesntfeelvery towny at all.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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VOTE: Gimli
Please double check this, but I believe that would be E-2?There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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I have no idea wtf in supposed to say to this. This is the same bullshit I got from Afrayed. So I'll go back to saying nothing, this site is infuriating.In post 663, usesPython wrote: idk how I feel about Tim going from
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I made a breakdown of my thoughts on gimli after reading his iso which I said I would do last night. And that post took awhile to write and study up on. You made your post while I was writing mine.In post 664, Black wrote: I'm not a huge fan of him sneaking a vote in on Gimli after I expressed that I wouldn't mind voting there
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I apologize, it is something that always has bothered me about mafia. Someone says they are either lost or overwhelmed and everyone says they should try more and they do and then everyone says wait, what's this?In post 671, Black wrote:
I would like it if you tried to not get so defensive about people calling out inconsistencies in your play. You can't just throw a fit every time someone does this
I agree that the timestamps indicate you were writing your Gimli post as I was writing mine. I didn't have an issue with that post. It was the vote 3 minutes later that I thought could have been influenced by me saying I'm willing to vote therr
It isn't a good route to find scum, imo, people being active is what we want, no? This is literally the first day off from work I've had since the game started.
As to your post, I absolutely saw it, but I'm also adjusting to the vote method here and I feel like we must be getting to the point where we need to truly pressure someone? This is day 8 of 10. If we wait until day 9.5 to pressure someone and they claim a power role or something, I can see us scrambling and that will lead to disaster.
So at this point, I am expecting people to start following up their scum reads with votes which is why I did that. If my vibe on that is off, please explain how as I don't want to misunderstand the style here. But waiting until day 9 or 9.5 as a policy doesn't seem very smart to me.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Also, I got the sense that I just made a breakdown of thoughts on Gimli and the people who payed since the aren't bothering to respond to my thoughts on it, instead taking about how I've changed. So it felt a bit like I wasted my morning *shrug*There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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I'm trying to adapt, this might be the first time I've ever tried to truly find a scum in a day 1, lol.In post 669, usesPython wrote:
I mean I like the posts it's just that it feels kinda coached when 507 exists. We don't actually feel strongly enough about it to go there today though and actually do wanna see you post more like this
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But why would it require coaching? An iso is an iso, just because I am used to making them starting on a day 2 doesn't mean a day 1 attempt needs guidance.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Ahh... I will work to tone it down, but I AM an emotional guy and I get quite passionate about things once I invest in them. this will be a fluff thing to say, but a common tell years ago when I was bad was that I was unemotional because I struggled to fake it.In post 680, usesPython wrote:
Appeal to EmotionIn post 679, TimmerRC wrote: Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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So both Gimli and I are at 3 votes and you vote this bluntly without explanation and without mentioning it is e-1?In post 684, Afrayed Knott wrote: UNVOTE:
I’m sorry, but does no one else see what I see. Black, Timmer and either VIP or Gimli?
That’s my scum, now.
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Do you mean the content from 22 posts ago of yours? You've had 22 posts since then where you talked about other things, but suddenly Gimli and I are each at 3 and you are back to that with a vengeance?In post 686, Afrayed Knott wrote: Look at my earlier post about the possible relationship between Black and Timmer, then read the recent interaction between the two. It stinks of a pre planned effort to engage Tim and deflect attention, with some clever positioning by Black.
Thats what I’m seeing
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Gimli, you obviously have a bunch of votes on you, maybe now would be a time to defend yourself? What are your thoughts on things?There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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And careful Afrayed, it sort of looks like you and gimli are... having a preplanned conversation, there.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Obviously probably maybe definitely?In post 720, Gimli wrote:
lolol yeah youre definitely a townieIn post 718, TimmerRC wrote: And careful Afrayed, it sort of looks like you and gimli are... having a preplanned conversation, there.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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What do you think of Afrayed apparently thinking 3 of 9 of us were bad? Legit? Made up?In post 719, Gimli wrote: let me think
I think black is a townie and as I said before I understand her scumread on me, and I like her posting otherwise, so I think all is fine in that area
I think DE is making a whole lot of nonsense lately and I'm starting to think that hits scum
you're obviously probably maybe a townie
comet is always town and if she is scum or regardless she is my favorite poster this game
afrayed knott is not someone i can agree or read or talk to lol so thats that, maybe a townie maybe a scummie who knows
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Now THIS feels like fucking mafia.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Lol I was about to go countIn post 752, Cometbright wrote: If I had a nickle for every time I had to pause and check votes to see if Python just hammered...There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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It is. Feigning that convincingly would be a hell of a gambit.In post 773, Cometbright wrote:
Damn it.In post 699, Black wrote: Afrayed is probably town for thinking there's 3 scum
I actually think this is an annoyingly good point.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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No one should be that confident at this stage, so for me it's alignment neutral. Prob just blindering.In post 774, Cometbright wrote:
But then why would a townie be *this* confident!? ArghhhhhIn post 698, Afrayed Knott wrote: I feel Black and Timmer for definite. And then one of you or GimliThere are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Interested in the answer to this.In post 781, Cometbright wrote:
Are you voting Black for not voting for Gimli because you think Gimli is scum? Shouldn't you be voting Gimli to confirm if he's scum before then going on Black?In post 738, Afrayed Knott wrote: VOTE: BlackThere are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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/dead.In post 792, Cometbright wrote: Have you caught up yet…. Keep reading
I'm now starting to wonder if the connection I saw between gimli and afrayed was bang on and knott is now just going YOLO to distract, lol.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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If it will calm you, I feel like you are likely townie, you are just... a bit erratic over the last little while. But if you are bad, your posts have been a pure performance and I will applaud you at game's end.
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Can you go a bit more into what exactly has changed? I feel like I (and at least one other player, I forget who) have noted that you talked up being sus of gimli but never put your vote where your posts were. And here at gimli e-1 you did this. So what exactly makes you suddenly feel like gimli is ok? I ask because something i watch for (and it is more helpful once some players' alignments are known) is players who talk sus about someone but never commit to it and leave off of it as soon as that player is in heat.In post 741, Black wrote: Since then things have changed and I think I'm ok leaving Gimli around to get his footing in the game. If he's town then I think he'll be useful once he's able to do so
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I def have Gimli on the scummier end of the spectrum, but it's Day 1, there's only so much to work with. What do you think of his kneejerk attempt to unvote out of a perceived elim?In post 802, Cometbright wrote: Okay but it seems the current top wagon is on Gimli if I've read the votes correctly?
I think Gimli frankly hasn't done much for himself here and I wish I could see some proper defence from him but I gotta be honest I'm still not seeing it. Has he been a little lurky? Yeah. Has he sheeped? Yeah. But I can 100% see a town!Gimli doing exactly that. If there's any other arguments for Gimli scum then yell em at me.
The reason I see Gimli as town is because A: vibes (sue me), B: the posts pointing out gamestate, C: a trickey pit of WIFOM where frankly wouldn't scum!Gimli have been putting a bit more effort into this wagon forming on him? It's not come out of nowhere - I'm pretty sure the last five IRL days have had people pointing out that he's been inactive and following other people rather than doing his own pushes, he's had more than enough opportunity to reverse that exactly like Timmer has... so why wouldn't he? Continuing with your playstyle even if it causes suspicion has always been a townie thing to me when I've seen it... and I feel that with him.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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The roleclaiming thing is new for me, how does it generally go down?In post 807, Cometbright wrote: Deadline is approaching and we've got the weekend coming up so activity for a few people here might be sporadic. I'm worried if we don't have some consensus on the lim here then we're not going to have enough time to handle potential roleclaim shenanigans if they arise.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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It's definitely all potentially a YOLO move, but if it is, its well done.In post 812, Black wrote: Ok as soon as I say that I see this post
This feels more performative than the others. Like why even include the bolded part? It feels like a summary of the gamestate in the eyes of an Afrayed that is caught up but is pretending to not be caught up, if that makes sense. If Afrayed is scum then I think he noticed the townreads based off of his 3-person mafia play and is leaning into that whole "I'm not sure what's going on" thing. I still think he's probably town thoughThere are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Oh shit we're back! My phone is almost dead, I'll jump back in asap!There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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