Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[DragonEater70]

What does that mean, Ari

[DragonEater70]

Bwahhh I'm trying to read Ari independent of meta but it's just NOT WORKING

Like I am looking at her ISO and each post I am trying to think whether it could be a real thought or it's a fake one

But I keep not answering it and instead saying "yeah this is something scum!ari could say" (meta)

FFS brain, shut up about meta for one second

[DragonEater70]

Ari explain thse last 3 posts???

[DragonEater70]

Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl?

You forgot the word "before"

But that's the whole point, I am trying to look at things without meta and my brain is REFUSING to do it.

[DragonEater70]

Ari explain thse last 3 posts???

I'm messing with you because it's funny

You're evil

[DragonEater70]

When did Kyouko defend me?

[DragonEater70]

The fact that it's Meuh is why you should townlock her instead of weak TRing her.

[DragonEater70]

What makes me "trying to appear solvy" instead of just town trying to progress the game?

[DragonEater70]

Okay I have no idea what's going on with Ari

This isn't town ari's OR scum ari's meta

[DragonEater70]

Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl?

the royal dragon has been put into the royal bbq grill by the queen

Truly have

I will make my exit now and come back when I am less embarrassed

[DragonEater70]

dragoneater running away from firebringer because he can't handle the heat

No, I was running away from you

I can totally handle Firebringer

One sec

[DragonEater70]

What makes me "trying to appear solvy" instead of just town trying to progress the game?

I don't feel like you are actually interested in pushing the game forward. I think you are doing it to appear like you care. Theres no urgency or pressure for things actually happen from what I looked at. I would think I would see more frustration of lack of things happening from town!DE to whats going on. But you seem pretty content while continuing on.

In essence. You are out of place for the amount of ~effort~ your putting in. So it seems like fake effort.

So it's interesting that you say I don't have frustration. I felt I was being frustrated earlier when nobody was voting yess, then after that I sort of didn't really fully think about the game and it was at the back burber for a while so maybe I wasn't really feeling a whole lot about it. Right now I am in fact frustrated and if you noticed I am trying to engage with you to find a new wagon because I am not happy about the current ones and I also tried to ISO dive Ari and I will continue to do so shortly.

Like just to be clear, I am not trying to discredit your claim that I am not frustrated, I am trying to explaim how come you get that imoression and also that I am now starting again to be frustrated.

Also scum have no incentive to actually continue to press the game forward and when you could make waves to try to force this game forward. You go for the option of blending in with the joke posts. Instead of honing in to focus on pressing someone like you are doing with Ari right now. You just put out question of how she is playing but went immediately to joking with her.

Do you actually care to solve her or appear to do so.

Yeah Ari was trolling me so I was trying to figure out of she was actually scumreading me or what. Then she said it was a troll so I gave up on that. I will go back to ISO diving her now.

[DragonEater70]

Okay

If we try our best to ignore meta (and this is HARD), I'd say Ari is like nulltown. I feel a lot of her posting is something that she could easily fake as scum (and this is not a meta read, it's simply a comment about the posting itself), but I do feel there's enough townvibes, solviness, and towny frustration that it gives me pause from actually scumreading her.

It's actually a very frustrating ISO to read (no fire, I am not saying this to appease you).

[DragonEater70]

Fire who do you wanna wagon right now? If you don't give me a straight answer I will unironically jump on your wagon.

[DragonEater70]

look at dragoneater try to appease me

Dang it, how did they find out

(I just realized I have no idea what your pronouns are)

[DragonEater70]

ill give u a serious response tomorrow dragon, I am tired and now going to bed

Okay

[DragonEater70]

Didn't you say you are going to sleep

And I would jump on a wagon with you because I want to drive the game forward. I'd jump on your wagon if you resist driving the game forward.

[DragonEater70]

Like

I feel there's a need for a fresh wagon because it's sort of been going in circles between yess and Titus and yourself. So I want a fresh wagon and I had been townreading you so I am asking who do you want to wagon

But then if you are just gonna call me scum for not advancing the game, without actually starting a wagon (on me or anybody else), then I do actually think that's scummy of you. Hopefully that explains it.

[DragonEater70]

davesaz.

Weak Scum Lean

. I am putting weak here because I think theres some points RCEnigma had on the way that I got defended and was pushing that was both out of place and not very townie. Davesaz I got no opinion on tbh.

davesaz didn't replace RCE?

[DragonEater70]

Okay maybe that's a stupid reason to scumread you but I am currently running out of wagons and I just want a good wagon.

[DragonEater70]

Fun fact, I started typing out the above post and then I realized it's word for word what I would post as scum in this situation. I posted it anyway because I frankly don't care, it does reflect my current thoughts accurately.

[DragonEater70]

I don't like how Aristeia gets a free pass. Similar to the free pass that Hu Tao gets.

Scum case her then

[DragonEater70]

Wdym?

[DragonEater70]

Sorry I get you

Let me put this differently

dave if you don't like Ari getting a free pass, you should poke her for reads.

[DragonEater70]

Meh, horrible post

Let me try a third time

If you don't like her getting a free pass, do something about it

[DragonEater70]

Still meh but I am not going to attempt to perfect this

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: dave

Not the most exciting wagon, but this could work I guess.

[DragonEater70]

Dave are you town?

This type of question always cracks me up.
Yes

Heeheehee, okay I believe you!

i just decided i will win this game in Black´s honor

Vote Titus then, free win

I'll just sheep my n0

VOTE: Titus

[DragonEater70]

Also nooooo why did Black rep out

[DragonEater70]

I don't like how Aristeia gets a free pass. Similar to the free pass that Hu Tao gets.

Scum case her then

what do you think of dragoneater telling davey to scumcase me and then when I point out lol davey doesnt even have as much content as me deciding to vote for davey.

I think dragon is scum

Imagine ignoring every single post I made this vame except one bad vote which you also ignore the context for, and thinking you can figure out my alignment from that one contextless vote.

[DragonEater70]

Game*

[DragonEater70]

She figured out her pet dragon was stealing from her and couldn't deal with the betrayal

I was already feeling guilty for it, now I am feeling extra guilty

[DragonEater70]

Yeah I agree with you there's no reason to continue the discussion

I also feel kinda lost here

[DragonEater70]

Like how do you think I should progress the game beyond wagons?

[DragonEater70]

(I am not a very good town player TBH)

[DragonEater70]

giving reads and takes and asking for engagement on those reads and takes.

Okay good point

I will do so.

[DragonEater70]

Okay here's my reads from most likely to be correct to least likely to be correct (NOT from towniest to scummiest):

Confident:

Meuh

- N0 inno, deep in town meta, I just don't think scum Meuh posts half of what Meuh posted this game (not an attempt to insult Meuh's capabilities as scum). This is very obvious town and I will eat my hat if I'm wrong.

Gamma

- yeah.

Python

- yeah.

Probably correct:

Firebringer

- I feel like they are actually pretty sincere about their thought process in a way that scum!fire probably wouldn't be? I may be completely wrong on that but I do think I am *probably* correct.

davesaz

- I have correctly identified him as scum by tonereading him in two different past games, and he definitely doesn't have the same tone here, so it's pretty likely he's not scum.

furtive

- I was scumreading here earlier, I still feel slightly concerned since furtive is not being the same solvey energy to the table as in Love Child, but I don't actually see anything scum indicative from this slot and I do think some of his posts sound pretty innocent so I think this is probably town.

gob

- I didn't really put a lot of thought into this read.

My read here could change any moment:

yessiree

- Idk I still think he's ooenwolfing but I also saw some towny posts by him so maybe I am just tunneled.

Ari

- yeah.

RCE

- yeah IDK I guess I could maybe see his thought process as town but right now I think it's scum.

I'm really unconfident about these reads and frankly not sure why I even have them:

Naerys

- Honestly maybe I should scumlean her instead because her behavior toward my slot is kinda sus, but I feel like the posting is par for the cpurse for Naerys?

Titus

- just sheeping Meuh and Hu Tao

Black

- I don't think I really tried to sort Black this game. Which I guess means I am pocketed? I should probably try to sort her replacement. Could definitely be scum I guess.

I would be lying if I said I had a real read here:

Hu Tao - I don't think she's really done anything AI, though maybe that fact by itself makes me slightly townlean her.

Theta - kinda forgot this slot even existed

Bella - ditto. I guess of I HAD to say I would be townleaning her but I don't really think it would be justified.

[DragonEater70]

Looks I really nailed the rule of 3 in this post tbh.

[DragonEater70]

I am going to use this list to decide who I should be sorting, starting from the bottom 3 and going up

[DragonEater70]

Wait

Did Naerys ever answer my question to her

One sec

Pedit: I am sheeoing people (i.e you) who I trust have good read accuracy on gob.

[DragonEater70]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

[DragonEater70]

i put gob in a extremely weak scum read grouping....im not confident on jack shit for gob lol

Oh then nvm

I don't have a read on gob

[DragonEater70]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

I'll believe that

Here, I sorted a slot.

(yeah I know, this is like the most blatant openwolfing I could ever do)

[DragonEater70]

Nah okay let's actually sort Naerys

[DragonEater70]

Naerys, can you exolain to me wyour full read on Hu Tao and how did she become scummier than yess?

[DragonEater70]

Wow I shouldn't play mafia on my phone.

[DragonEater70]

Oh okay

So you don't scumread her more than yess?

[DragonEater70]

Hmm it's late, hopefully Naerys answers at some point, good night for now.

[DragonEater70]

Oh okay

So you don't scumread her more than yess?

They are on similiar scum level in my head

I see

Do you have a take on Ari and/or Fire? Ineterested in your thoughts on these two slots because I had been going back and forth about them for a while.

[DragonEater70]

Taking a closer look, I'm less sure of Naerys resembling prior games.

I think this is a town!dave thought

I also happen to agree with said thought.

[DragonEater70]

davesaz reads from what i gathered since he can't make it easily accessible:
Gamma - town (was voting her for some reason at one point i don't get it)

It’s because I made an empty post to steal pagetop

Gamma who are your scum reads right now?

Pedit: lol

[DragonEater70]

Dang only now I realized how un-caught up I am

Like I have zero clue what's going on

No wonder Fire was SRing me

[DragonEater70]

I’m not sure how I feel rn
There are players that I feel are scum in some moments but I want to believe are town in others

Could you tell me who? Because I have the opposite problem, sort of.

[DragonEater70]

Do you have a take on Ari and/or Fire? Ineterested in your thoughts on these two slots because I had been going back and forth about them for a while.

@Naerys

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Theta

Nah I don't think vanity wagons will get us anywhere in this gamestate

We should sort the null slots and then townblock and shred the PoE.

For example, did you know davesaz is town this game?

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Theta

Nah I don't think vanity wagons will get us anywhere in this gamestate

Turn it into a real wagon then

How about you help me sort the nulls instead? And then we can wagon whomever you want.

[DragonEater70]

For example, did you know davesaz is town this game?

And how do you know that? Weird wording

I am very smart and can form conclusions about people's alignments based on things they post, especially when they have easy to read meta and are not the world's best scum players.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Theta

Nah I don't think vanity wagons will get us anywhere in this gamestate

Turn it into a real wagon then

How about you help me sort the nulls instead? And then we can wagon whomever you want.

Sort the nulls but don't wagon them

We WILL wagon them. Just LATER.

Didn't you read my back and forth with Fire?

[DragonEater70]

Do you have a take on Ari and/or Fire? Ineterested in your thoughts on these two slots because I had been going back and forth about them for a while.

@Naerys

Ari feels towny, i have got a feeling she is genuinly engaged in the game
FB- light scummy vibes

but not certain in either case, i feel more confident with players i have already finished few games

What's scummy about Fire?

[DragonEater70]

For example, did you know davesaz is town this game?

And how do you know that? Weird wording

I am very smart and can form conclusions about people's alignments based on things they post, especially when they have easy to read meta and are not the world's best scum players.

Who are you and what did you do to Naerys???

[DragonEater70]

Huh makes sense

Yeah I get what you mean about all of them.

Are they your biggest SR's RN?

[DragonEater70]

That was @Gamma

[DragonEater70]

For example, did you know davesaz is town this game?

And how do you know that? Weird wording

I am very smart and can form conclusions about people's alignments based on things they post, especially when they have easy to read meta and are not the world's best scum players.

Who are you and what did you do to Naerys???

Its me? I am not playing in any different way

Idk if you are playing differently or not but I kinda feel like you are expressing yourself differently. Like you are trying to sound more snarky/cynical/witty than you naturally tend to be.

Do you have a take on Ari and/or Fire? Ineterested in your thoughts on these two slots because I had been going back and forth about them for a while.

@Naerys

Ari feels towny, i have got a feeling she is genuinly engaged in the game
FB- light scummy vibes

but not certain in either case, i feel more confident with players i have already finished few games

What's scummy about Fire?

I feel like he is acting, posturing? Posturing might be the word
Something about his behavior doesnt feel entirely genuine. Just a hunch tho.

Interesting, I had the opposite thoughts about his play. I thought he felt very genuine.

Can you point out something specific that felt like posturing?

[DragonEater70]

Huh makes sense

Yeah I get what you mean about all of them.

Are they your biggest SR's RN?

nah
ftr most of them end up town via associations if I go by my PoE

Oh okay

Who are your biggest SR's?

[DragonEater70]

Okay now I should really go to sleep

Good night

[DragonEater70]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

An empty vote is not pressure.

Naerys, can you exolain to me wyour full read on Hu Tao and how did she become scummier than yess?

I dont like her bossing around. Could be scum trying to intimidate us. Plus general unhelpfulness makes me wish to sort that slot first.

So you don't like me doing nothing.. But then you don't like me being more assertive?

Make it make sense.

I'mma just townbin Hu Tao right now

Also yeah I am not really happy with Naerys's answers either.

[DragonEater70]

Also a vote and not doing anything or trying to solve me is not sorting me.

i am not doing nothing, i am solving you

How?

[DragonEater70]

Can you quote posts where you solved Hu Tao?

[DragonEater70]

People say I should be more assertive in games, but when I try to be, people say I'm bossy or bratty. I'll try to fix that though.

I don't think you are bossy at all

You are a bit of a brat but I might be using that world wrongly because what I mean by that is someone who is a rebel / assertive about doing things their own way in a slightly annoying way. Which is not a bad quality to have in Mafia.

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UNVOTE:

I need one of Fire, Titus, or Python to tell me who to vote.

Also, from the few nuggets of this game I read I will say Ari is town.

And Python might be scum, but I still might listen to them when they tell me who to vote(unless it is Ari).

I may or may not catch up tonight, but will try to pay attention to the last few pages and current events and such.

Did you choose those are random or did you read the game before?

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Titus

Fun Drew Fact: I was gonna try to tell in to her slot before Titus took it.

Why is she scum?

She could not be, but Firebringer Titus Yes Sir
MOST LIKELY HAS A WOLF GIVEN HOW THE FB WAGON DIED

caps on that my bad

Which one do you think is the most likely wolf in that trio?

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Titus

Fun Drew Fact: I was gonna try to tell in to her slot before Titus took it.

Why is she scum?

She could not be, but Firebringer Titus Yes Sir
MOST LIKELY HAS A WOLF GIVEN HOW THE FB WAGON DIED

caps on that my bad

Well Fire must be happy he is scum this time around.

Why are we not voting him then?

I was but then everybody jumped off

I'm just not seeing any actual scum case for Fire except "he is posturing / not genuine", but when I read his posts they sound the opposite of that so IDK

[DragonEater70]

Fair fair

[DragonEater70]

Interested in your read on Fire when you get to catch up

Also what you think about how his wagon started, stopped, then started again then stalled again

[DragonEater70]

Shouldnt we give titus atleast chance to defend? Idk where are you all rushing

We should

[DragonEater70]

Shouldnt we give titus atleast chance to defend? Idk where are you all rushing

Could you answer dragons questions?

[DragonEater70]

Btw Hu Tao, do you still think I am scum?

[DragonEater70]

Not really no

[DragonEater70]

Can you quote posts where you solved Hu Tao?

Maybe in the evening, i need to go to work and i feel bit petty rn, so kindly wait

I will very kindly wait

[DragonEater70]

Reads list:

Super town:
Meuh
Gamma
Python
----
Very confident about being town:
dave
Hu Tao
---
Probably town but need more content from to be sure:
Drew - I think he would try harder to look better if he were scum.
---
Needs to be sorted again with my new reads in mind:
Everyone else

So assuming Drew posts more and I still think he's town, and if everyone on this list TR's each other (which isn't a given), we can form a solid town core and solve the game from there. I could try and find more town but tbh 7 is the largest number of players in a 17p Large that I would feel comfortable including in a town core.

[DragonEater70]

What do you think?
@dave
@python
@meuh
@hu tao
@drew
@gamma

[DragonEater70]

Does everyone here still think I'm coasting or no

If you define coasting as not actively attempting to discover alignments or share your thoughts, then absolutely yes.

Do you think Hu Tao is not trying to discover Naerys's alignment?

[DragonEater70]

Care to tell me your reads on Gamma/Meuh/Python?

[DragonEater70]

Why?

(not disputing the possibility)

[DragonEater70]

I do feel like this is being targeted at this point. There are others doing less than me but I get the blunt of aggression from people. I'm not sure why this is but its not fair. And this isn't the first game this has happened. Not sure if they expect more from me, but that shouldn't be a reason to single me out over others not doing the same thing.

Tbh it's probably just because of how flippant you are about this and also because you do say proudly you have no reads (800 pages ago, and yes I know it's changed and I am TRing you, just explaining why).

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I do understand why you'd feel it's unfair though

[DragonEater70]

Like I said, I don't have a read on her.

Is it that you've read everything Gamma has done and concluded that she's null rn or do you not have a read cause you haven't made one yet?

I'm not sure what you're asking at this point. Are you implying I'm not reading?

Nah I think they are just asking if you haven't thought about Gamma too much, or if you thought about Gamma and you feel like nothing they have done is AI / everything cancels out.

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I have given opinions. I think your anger is NAI and based on posts I don't know if you're town or not. I don't see why that is a big deal

Do you seriously see the anger as the only notable thing I’ve done? That’s fucking bogus.

Read your posts to me directly and tell me where a non anger post was.

Not the issue at hand, Gamma can madpost and still be advancing the game. What's your read on that

Hu Tao your current approach feels evasive and subversive

It's the town frustration that makes her feel subversive.

[DragonEater70]

Honestly Python and Gamma your picking on Hu Tao is extremely unproductive and will lead us nowhere

Hu Tao is town. They are always "quiet" as town. I can quote you a whole bunch of games where they are like this.

[DragonEater70]

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Check her ISO in these games

[DragonEater70]

I do feel like this is being targeted at this point. There are others doing less than me but I get the blunt of aggression from people. I'm not sure why this is but its not fair. And this isn't the first game this has happened. Not sure if they expect more from me, but that shouldn't be a reason to single me out over others not doing the same thing.

Spoiler:

How is Hu Tao only having ~5 posts per RL day? I think that probably warrants an iso dive.

Scum case me then, Davey. Give it your best shot

How is Hu Tao only having ~5 posts per RL day? I think that probably warrants an iso dive.

Scum case me then, Davey. Give it your best shot

Overreaction much?

Where is the overreaction?

Dave only said he wanted to ISO dive you, that’s not a scum read

And I'm telling him to scumcase me if he can. What's the issue? Seems you're the only one who has an issue with it

I feel like Hu Tao is trying to muddle my points here, and I’m not having it rn

Scum case me then gammy

i haven't found a single scum case this game to be compelling to be fair

This kind of post feels scummy, i have seen scum using similiar phrases like
"i have too many TR" or "i dont have any SR"

Sus on FB

Whose your scumreads outside of me then

yessiree and Hu or python

Scumcase me then

I don't like how Aristeia gets a free pass. Similar to the free pass that Hu Tao gets.

Then do scum cases on us

Meuh can be town. I was skimming yesterday thinking wtf is this game and what are we even doing?

Agreed! And people are upset that I'm asking people to scum case me if they think I'm scum

Abrasive posting and being uncooperative makes people focus on you??? What????????
You can’t post the way you do and then whine about this.
Fwiw I’m leaning town on you, but come on.

Meuh's got a point though

[DragonEater70]

Anyways

Let's vote scum

@Gamma do you like Theta or yess as scum more?

Just 2 randomly picked names

[DragonEater70]

Lol I like how wildly different these reactions are

Let me check 2316 again

[DragonEater70]

Hu Tao is town. They are always "quiet" as town. I can quote you a whole bunch of games where they are like this.

Comparing this game with Mini Normal 2316 they're a lot less pointy (yeah idk how to explain it better) this game, like yeah they're not that present normally but they still have like opinions and stuff instead of just passing their turn like they're doing here

Hmm yeah that ISO is full of witty concise takes which are kinda lacking here

I'm gonna check 2 more ISO's of her, one moment.

[DragonEater70]

Hu Tao is town. They are always "quiet" as town. I can quote you a whole bunch of games where they are like this.

Comparing this game with Mini Normal 2316 they're a lot less pointy (yeah idk how to explain it better) this game, like yeah they're not that present normally but they still have like opinions and stuff instead of just passing their turn like they're doing here

Hmm yeah that ISO is full of witty concise takes which are kinda lacking here

I'm gonna check 2 more ISO's of her, one moment.

Mafia have a cop - much less pointy than how they are in 2316. However they do have some interesting takes.

In this game they have less interesting takes than in Mafia has a cop, BUT if you compare this game to Love Child (where Hu was scum), I feel the posts here feel more real and less for show than in Love Child. If anything I feel the complete lack of takes indicates zero interest in being TR'd, which is usually a town characteristic.

[DragonEater70]

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Is the ISO in Love Child

[DragonEater70]

So what does everyone think? Am I town or scum?

I think I've been clear on where I stand.

[DragonEater70]

What exactly do you want me to say

[DragonEater70]

Like do you want me to explain why I'm actually wrong about TRing you?

[DragonEater70]

I want you to tell me why i can't be scum this game

You *can* be scum, I just don't think you are because I feel I detect similarities with your town game in various completed games.

And I also don't feel like you are trying to be townread here.

And I also feel the few reads you did express sound real.

[DragonEater70]

Ari are you actually scum

Ari are you actually scum

only if you are

Okay I guess Black was right about Ari/FB solve

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Ari

Serious vote

[DragonEater70]

dave town
Drew (Black) town
DE scum
Titus scum

These are the reads I picked up from Hu Tao’s ISO, are these correct? What’s the one I missed?

When I asked her if I'm still scum she said "not really no"

[DragonEater70]

K bye

[DragonEater70]

Scum case?

[DragonEater70]

wut?

Why would anyone be voting a townread on day 1? I get compromising on a null read. But if he thinks you're t v t, gob should be trying to make peace.

It's as if you didn't read gob's post at all

[DragonEater70]

Yeah okay I can vote Titus

VOTE: Titus

[DragonEater70]

For Snivy, I shall take 2222

[DragonEater70]

Ari are you actually scum

Ari are you actually scum

only if you are

Okay I guess Black was right about Ari/FB solve

VOTE: Ari

Serious vote

What's the case here, meta is acceptable

Ari has been constantly shading me but has not made a single actual case against me and I don't see any town motivation for that.

[DragonEater70]

UNVOTE: Titus

I think I might be sick and I want to have a clear head when I decide where to put my vote.

I will second Python's interest in hearing Titus's reads.

Pedit: why tomorrow

Pedit 2: VOTE: Ari

[DragonEater70]

If you wanna call it omgus, sure

But that does ignore the nuance of "shading without a case = scummy".

[DragonEater70]

Let Titus post reads

If no reads, I am fine with having no Titus.

[DragonEater70]

If you wanna call it omgus, sure

But that does ignore the nuance of "shading without a case = scummy".

i shade plenty of people without a case

you seem to only care when its you

so the essence of it is omgus

I just noticed more when it was on me

I could just as well say "she's been shading people without cases" but then I'd have to ISO dive you to find out who they were, and I am currently sick so don't feel like doing that.

[DragonEater70]

there's very little incentive for python mafia to do this line of play if titus is town

Huh?

[DragonEater70]

Cause it is very likely she still gets eliminated.

But what's the POINT?

[DragonEater70]

I'm actually leading Hu Tao town and scum were equally divided on our wagons.

Wdym

[DragonEater70]

Don’t agree with the Python SRs rn

[DragonEater70]

I'm actually leading Hu Tao town and scum were equally divided on our wagons.

Wdym

What's not clear?

What does it mean that you are leading? As in the leading wagon?
Why is "Hu Tao" there? Are you saying Hu Tao is town or are you addressing it to Hi Tao? I just can't parse the thing.

[DragonEater70]

Like playerlist alone we're top 3 to get copped, why would we be deepwolfing instead of just pushing lims like you already know we can do

Haha. That would be me. Many people fear my scumgame. So why would you being copped lead you to not voting me?

If we're on the "to cop" list then there's no reason for us not to play for maximizing lims, so in maf!Python/town!Titus we just shut up and sheep people on you

No. You'd play this way to look good and avoid a cop while my wagon turns on itself.

VOTE: Python

btw quick question, have you been tracking who's dropped cop cover/posted an obvious read as their n0? Cause if you haven't you should and see if you still have this read after

Wdym?

[DragonEater70]

Oh NVM

Me quiet quiet

[DragonEater70]

I don't like Ari accusing me of OMGUS and then disappearing

[DragonEater70]

Can we get more votes on her?

[DragonEater70]

I don't like Ari accusing me of OMGUS and then disappearing

Correction: I don't like Ari trying to refute my read on her by boiling it down to OMGUS even though there's more nuance to it (for example, I feel like FB's SR of me makes sense from town Fire), and then disappearing.

[DragonEater70]

Without even addressing the actual substance of the read (that she's shading people with no actual reasons nor any attempt to push them)

[DragonEater70]

can you stop spamming

Sorry

[DragonEater70]

can you stop spamming

Sorry

Somehow i dont believe u are. Bad dragon.

???

[DragonEater70]

20% of my posts are page tops.

Also, I genuinely thought I'd posted more than this: I've read more than it looks like.

I appreciate the fact you counted this

I also kinda lean town on Bella for her previous post

Pedit: Bad Naerys. I will never pocket you again
/j

[DragonEater70]

Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

Thoughts on wagoning ari/theta?

You know my position on that

No, I tend to find town more easy than scum, especially day one. That is helpful later though.

I thought theta was town about 50 pages ago, I'd have to iso them, I haven't had town pings from what I've read from Ari

Agreed

I'm actually leading Hu Tao town and scum were equally divided on our wagons.

Wdym

What's not clear?

What does it mean that you are leading? As in the leading wagon?
Why is "Hu Tao" there? Are you saying Hu Tao is town or are you addressing it to Hi Tao? I just can't parse the thing.

Leading = leaning. Typo. Is that clear now?

Yeah now that makes more sense

This game is a slog and it seems like everyone just wants to rush a wagon with no backing to it other than neogitation/compromising

Python terrible wagon.
Ari terrible votes (don't think its a wagon).

My case on Titus/Ssbm isn't amazing, but I think it has way more meat than everything else im seeing.

I'm willing to vote Titus since I didn't see any solid stances from her yet.

Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

TMI?

Nah, that's how I take stances on my townreads as town and considering I often mindmeld with town!Bella it makes sense she'd do it as well.

don't like DE70 bouncing on/off Titus one bit, it's looking really bad

looks like scum tip-toeing tryna to balance between bussing and re-directing elsewhere
feels awfully similar to his antics in c9++; he was bouncing on and off RCEnigma where he was on wagon when it was safe to do so, but he was off when it was not, and he was key in killing momentum of the wagon as well
viewtopic.php?t=91793
RC can back me up here?

I dunno how i feel about him directing energy towards aristeia though, so i'll hold off judgement on that front

That's a bad case on me for two reasons:
1. I try a different approach in every scum game, I never just copy paste the same approach, so saying "DE did that same thing as scum in another game" is probably not a good scum tell for me
2. If you decide to compare my play here to my play that game anyway, then you should note that in that game I was very careful to kill momentum in a way that didn't look like I was doing it, while here the way I unvoted Titus was really conspicious. So it's not really the same tactic.

I will say, this does seem like a button upped serious Yess though, that is scum Yess imo

Funny because I was scumreading him for not being serious enough, but I kinda understand what you mean also.

Bring that up with DE because I was SRing yess and then he talked me down iirc

Nope, I was SRing yess all game and still am

[DragonEater70]

Just gonna check the VC quick

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Titus

E-1

[DragonEater70]

guh

i still have titus sorted into catching up with the gamestate after replacing
which is usually a way to get good immunity from me voting

but it has been very extended now and titus has been sort of present

the fact we have five days right now would normally make me continue with my stance of not considering voting titus but
this gamestate is
not good at all
we need a flip

i have someone i would prefer of course but i fail to see that happening
so uh
intent to hammer in the morning if the fact fire is pushing people to hammer without realizing it is does not give anyone pause

p-edit
uhhh was my count wrong or

I'm pretty sure I counted correctly, did Drew revote or something?

[DragonEater70]

V OTECOUNT 1.12
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (7)	Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew
usesPython (3)	gob, Titus, RCEnigma
Aristeia (2)	usesPython, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (1)	Naerys
yessiree (1)	Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
NOT VOTING: davesaz, Bellaphant
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

UNVOTE:

Also, didn't realize Titus had that many votes. Will hold off for now.

UNVOTE:

I'm fine with just going Titus to advance the day VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Titus

VC should look like:

Titus (8): Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, Gamma Emerald, Hu Tao, davesaz, DragonEater70

[DragonEater70]

i am considering hammering sooner given my reason for stalling is actually not applicable but hmmmm

Nah you should give Titus time to claim, hammering cop is a disaster.

[DragonEater70]

If Titus claims cop, DO NOT hammer please

[DragonEater70]

I love you buddy if you got a scum case on anyone I will listen to it but otherwise I am checking out.

I already have you as town, this talk isn't helping us and we clearly disagree on approach. I have said multiple times my case isn't strong, I know it. You know it. If you wish for me talk more about it or any specific parts I can but again its weak, you dismissed it entirely so i doubt we have something to talk about on it.

If you scumread me or think all I want is a Titus elim because i have a bone with Titus then u can vote me or something because I don't particularly care if its Titus that goes, she is just my biggest scumread that I think can be pushed. Dragoneater is my much stronger scumread but no one is interested in it at all because theres lots of people with strong townreads on dragon.

Btw if there are so many people with strong townreads on me and you scunread me strongly, don't you want to either re-evaluate your read or try to engage with their read to try and convince them I'm scum?

[DragonEater70]

I will say, this does seem like a button upped serious Yess though, that is scum Yess imo

Funny because I was scumreading him for not being serious enough, but I kinda understand what you mean also.

Bring that up with DE because I was SRing yess and then he talked me down iirc

Nope, I was SRing yess all game and still am

so am i scum because im not serious enough or am i scum because im button'ed up serious?

To me, because you are not serious enough

But I think I understand what Drew was getting at

Having a read is not mutually exclusive with understanding what someone thinks, even if they think something different than you

[DragonEater70]

I agree my read on you is superficial which is why I am not putting in effort to push you

[DragonEater70]

Like I explicitly said I might need to re-asses my read on you but I probably won't do it Day 1

[DragonEater70]

Whoops

Reassess, duh

[DragonEater70]

Anyhow, my thoughts on RCE:

I think RCE tends to lurk as scum, and he's lurking here, but I haven't seen his towngame yet and it's possible he can also lurk as town.
I think he's trying to tie himself with yessiree in a way that is pretty unusual (like early on he mindmelded with yess, and iirc he continuously sheeps and defends him), and I feel it could be pocketing but I dunno really. On the other hand I feel he doesn't care at all about how he's being perceived and he isn't really pushing an agenda, and in general his tone is very different to the game yess linked where I was scum with him.

So what I am trying to say is I'm not really sure how to read him and would appreciate some help from somebody else.

[DragonEater70]

I think rce becomes more readable over time.

I can wait until tonight @nearys

Yeah but, what if I don’t. Spooky.

Spooky season is over! You have no right to be so spooky near Christmas.

[DragonEater70]

Uhhh, no?

We explictly DON'T hammer cop claims

That's like the whole point of claiming

If she claims cop we just treat her as flipped scum until the real cop claims, or if no real cop claims until day before ELo then I guess she's the real cop.

[DragonEater70]

Unless I am missing something such as Titus not having a n0 that makes sense

[DragonEater70]

Explain?

[DragonEater70]

Yeah that's correct

[DragonEater70]

We're gonna shelf this argument until later cause we're starting to realise most of this PL doesn't know how to seer hunt well and at this point we're doing scums job for them

Yeah I'm basically going to sheep whoever Python calls cop

[DragonEater70]

That’s why everyone waiting was suggested at the start I’m pretty sure

Yeah my idea was to only hypo around now, and then hypo someone who you'd been townreading for "no reason"

Like my read on Meuh

[DragonEater70]

K I'd also rather not be wagoned so I'd love Theta/Bella to hammer or something if Titus and Fire aren't planning to start a better wagon

[DragonEater70]

We're voting you here cause you're wagoning DE, it's less a "yeah ur scum" and more "idk wouldn't be surprised either way"

Yeah same

Do you think Fire's pivot could be scum?

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Naerys
I feel like she is kinda glued to the sidelines and I think that’s scum-indicative

No, i am glued to dragon

Why

[DragonEater70]

bom

VOTE: Titus

Okay gg scum we got Titus mislimmed high five

[DragonEater70]

Okay

You promise you are not scum?

[DragonEater70]

Sounds good to me

[DragonEater70]

Then why did u push Titus so much

[DragonEater70]

I kinda feel FB is scum, not because of his SR of me (I actually think his SR of me makes a lot of sense, he explained it pretty well and I agree with his points on how my play is off this game) but because of how easily he jumped off Titus while hardpushing her earlier

It kinda feels like he knew she'd be limmed anyway and that she'd flip town, so jumped off for towncred / to create chaos, IMO. And now he's trying to set me up for a chain miselim, I guess?

[DragonEater70]

Then why did u push Titus so much

my dude if u don't have a solve on me at this point, ur just asking questions to try to poke holes. I don't believe ur trying to sort me. I think u have a sort on me at this point if u were town. Just stop with these fake questions.

I was writing one lol

[DragonEater70]

he isn't scum for pushing me. Thats perfectly reasonable.
He is scum for not pushing a townie to elim. Because he wants towncred for not being the one who pushed it over.

Good good. Like it.

He's scum for TMI'ing a flip and setting up a chain miselim

Not the same thing

[DragonEater70]

I'll rescind this read if Titus flips scum btw

[DragonEater70]

he isn't scum for pushing me. Thats perfectly reasonable.
He is scum for not pushing a townie to elim. Because he wants towncred for not being the one who pushed it over.

Good good. Like it.

It's pretty clear that you made it so that the only viable wagons right now were me and Titus

So yeah, jumping off at the last minute isn't exactly town indicative

It doesn't take clairvoyance or a revelation from god to know that jumping off Titus and then counterwagoning on a widely TR'd player woud lead to Titus lim

[DragonEater70]

i think ur the one TMIing that this is a town flip lol

The irony

I actually have no idea what it will flip

I just saw your post about how you think Titus won't flip scum and I'm like hmmm

[DragonEater70]

I guess there's a world where we're both town and Titus flips scum

Let's see

[DragonEater70]

He's scum for TMI'ing a flip and setting up a chain miselim

how do you know titus is a mislim

I don't know

I am guessing based on Fire's posts

[DragonEater70]

He's scum for TMI'ing a flip and setting up a chain miselim

how do you know titus is a mislim

I don't know

I am guessing based on Fire's posts

that does not sound like what you're saying at all rofl

Then you are misreading my tone

My initial stance was that it feels like this is what Fire could be doing

The post you quoted is ne explaining that stance, from the assumption that it is correct

[DragonEater70]

mb we should lim dragon instead if hes tmi-ing that titus is town and she's still alive

I am not TMI'ing anything

I pretty explicitly said that it sounds, from Fire's posts, like he's scum TMI'ing Titus. The only reason I have to think Titus is town, is Fire's posts.

[DragonEater70]

look at interaction with Ari just now.
Dragoneater has been saying ari is scum too, but look at approach to her. Trying to reason with ur scumread like that isn't townie.

Or maybe dragoneater changed ari to town, maybe ill go double check before i just start throwing accusations.

I said Ari was scum a while ago? In my last readlist she was town but labeled as "I could change my read any moment"

This is fake news

[DragonEater70]

Yeah you should go check first

[DragonEater70]

Okay here's my reads from most likely to be correct to least likely to be correct (NOT from towniest to scummiest):

Confident:

Meuh

- N0 inno, deep in town meta, I just don't think scum Meuh posts half of what Meuh posted this game (not an attempt to insult Meuh's capabilities as scum). This is very obvious town and I will eat my hat if I'm wrong.

Gamma

- yeah.

Python

- yeah.

Probably correct:

Firebringer

- I feel like they are actually pretty sincere about their thought process in a way that scum!fire probably wouldn't be? I may be completely wrong on that but I do think I am *probably* correct.

davesaz

- I have correctly identified him as scum by tonereading him in two different past games, and he definitely doesn't have the same tone here, so it's pretty likely he's not scum.

furtive

- I was scumreading here earlier, I still feel slightly concerned since furtive is not being the same solvey energy to the table as in Love Child, but I don't actually see anything scum indicative from this slot and I do think some of his posts sound pretty innocent so I think this is probably town.

gob

- I didn't really put a lot of thought into this read.

My read here could change any moment:

yessiree

- Idk I still think he's ooenwolfing but I also saw some towny posts by him so maybe I am just tunneled.

Ari

- yeah.

RCE

- yeah IDK I guess I could maybe see his thought process as town but right now I think it's scum.

I'm really unconfident about these reads and frankly not sure why I even have them:

Naerys

- Honestly maybe I should scumlean her instead because her behavior toward my slot is kinda sus, but I feel like the posting is par for the cpurse for Naerys?

Titus

- just sheeping Meuh and Hu Tao

Black

- I don't think I really tried to sort Black this game. Which I guess means I am pocketed? I should probably try to sort her replacement. Could definitely be scum I guess.

I would be lying if I said I had a real read here:

Hu Tao - I don't think she's really done anything AI, though maybe that fact by itself makes me slightly townlean her.

Theta - kinda forgot this slot even existed

Bella - ditto. I guess of I HAD to say I would be townleaning her but I don't really think it would be justified.

[DragonEater70]

Whats ur stance on ari and how did it change.

My stance on Ari is her play is very different from her town play in the three town games of her I've properly read (Friends and Enemies, Coalition of Frogs, Swinger's Hall), but I am hesitant to scumread her based off only that, because I think she is exhibiting a thought process and degree of not caring about how she's being perceived which I find towny.

[DragonEater70]

I don't like Ari accusing me of OMGUS and then disappearing

Can we get more votes on her?

I don't like Ari accusing me of OMGUS and then disappearing

Correction: I don't like Ari trying to refute my read on her by boiling it down to OMGUS even though there's more nuance to it (for example, I feel like FB's SR of me makes sense from town Fire), and then disappearing.

Without even addressing the actual substance of the read (that she's shading people with no actual reasons nor any attempt to push them)

he doesnt even remember what his read of me is

fake reads

True

I did in fact forget

If you think that's scum indicative, good for you?

[DragonEater70]

I've been undecided on Ari the entire game as my readlist I quoted clearly shows

Pushing me for being undecided is clearly a choice.

[DragonEater70]

As I said, good for u

I was clearly not thinking Ari was lockscum if I pushed Titus over her

So what's the point of pointing out that I am talking to her as if she could be town

I am really tired of this argument tbh

If you are town just know that your play here really sucks Fire. Like you are super scumsiding

VOTE: Fire

[DragonEater70]

Not planning to post here anymore in the next 12 hours, do with this as you wish. If you wanna scumread me for it, go ahead

[DragonEater70]

Not planning to post here anymore in the next 12 hours, do with this as you wish. If you wanna scumread me for it, go ahead

I lied

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: dragoneater
I’m not fully sold on him flipping scum but I do think he’s at least informative since I think a lot of players had tangible interactions with or involving him

Wtf are you talking about? What info do you get?

Here's what will happen when I flip town:
I get flipped. People will be like "Fire pushed Dragon so Fire scum", then Fire will say "whoops I am bad at Mafia" and Ari will make a fluffy comment about it abd Theta will say "yeah we can worry about Fire later" and then nobody will push him, and then one of Ari/Fire/RCE will say "hey did you guys remember how Python TMI'd Dragon as town yesterday even though he was really scummy? Python is SCUM"
And then you will say "I'm not sold on Python but I guess that gives info" and then Python will flip cop and everybody will make surprised pikachu faces, then you get nightkilled, then Day 3 the remaining town already feel like they lost and don't have any WIM to push the scum who'd been running the game, so they settle on a compromise wagon on like whoever is not mafia out of Theta/Titus/Naerys, and then it's ELo and I have NEVER seen town survive 9p ELo because c'mon that requires 5/5 town to vote correctly which just doesn't happen.

[DragonEater70]

The fuk you folks are doing

Dragon i wish i could white knight you as you did me in 244 but i am pants at this xD

How to solve the game:

1. Shoot Titus
   
2. Shoot everyone on the DE wagon

Dragon i wish i could white knight you as you did me in 244 but i am pants at this xD

idk how to white knight so we're just gonna point out that we have a really good track record when it comes to reading DE's towngame and that we strongly think he's town here

The way you do what I did for Naerys in 244 is you find the town on my wagon and personally address them, telling them to stop beind dumb, then find the name of a scum they wanted to vote and tell them to vote there.

It works.

Btw 2 out of Ari/FB/yessman/Titus are scum and 2 are town but I can't bother to sort them because none of them is voting me in good faith

Gamma is town

Here now you can white knight me

[DragonEater70]

Btw 2 out of Ari/FB/yessman/Titus are scum and 2 are town but I can't bother to sort them because none of them is voting me in good faith

why are there 2 scum here

I individually scumread currently or have previously scumread all these slots

Also all of the votes are in bad faith and I find it hard to believe that 4 town vote me in bad faith and scum don't join. On the other hand I find it hard to believe that there is a 4 scum 1 town wagon on me right now.

And the reason that I am saying the votes are in bad faith is that, quite ironically (ironically since FB shaded me earlier for "fake sorting" Ari), neither you nor Ari have made a single attempt to sort me this game (unless I missed something, this question by you which I am replying to right now is the first question either of you have asked me about my reads/thoughts/etc), Titus is voting me because she doesn't want to get wagoned (not because she has a read on me), and FB is doing I dunno what but it's in bad faith.

[DragonEater70]

Btw 2 out of Ari/FB/yessman/Titus are scum and 2 are town but I can't bother to sort them because none of them is voting me in good faith

why are there 2 scum here

I individually scumread currently or have previously scumread all these slots

Also all of the votes are in bad faith and I find it hard to believe that 4 town vote me in bad faith and scum don't join. On the other hand I find it hard to believe that there is a 4 scum 1 town wagon on me right now.

And the reason that I am saying the votes are in bad faith is that, quite ironically (ironically since FB shaded me earlier for "fake sorting" Ari), neither you nor Ari have made a single attempt to sort me this game (unless I missed something, this question by you which I am replying to right now is the first question either of you have asked me about my reads/thoughts/etc), Titus is voting me because she doesn't want to get wagoned (not because she has a read on me), and FB is doing I dunno what but it's in bad faith.

im not asking you who voting you in bad faith, im confused why u said there are 2 scum 2 town in that group of 4 people

why can't it be 1 scum 3 town or, 3 scum 1 town

Educated guess

[DragonEater70]

Will knowing my thought process on the 2/2 divide somehow help you solve my alignment or is this just busywork?

[DragonEater70]

Genuine question

[DragonEater70]

Also all of the votes are in bad faith and I find it hard to believe that 4 town vote me in bad faith and scum don't join. On the other hand I find it hard to believe that there is a 4 scum 1 town wagon on me right now.

I don't think you even know what the word "bad faith" means

for you to think I'm voting you in bad faith, you would have to believe that in the world where I am town, I am voting you despite believing you to be town

which is like lol what?

No

What I mean is you have done zero effort to sort me this game, I tried to engage with you about your read on me and you literally started making weird memes and posting videos, so yeah I feel like you are not engaging in good faith.

Does that make you scum? Uhhh maybe?
Could town you do it? I guess?

[DragonEater70]

Will knowing my thought process on the 2/2 divide somehow help you solve my alignment or is this just busywork?

what do u think lil bro

I think it won't

[DragonEater70]

also why are you voting Firebringer instead of titus when his read process on you is pretty clear and you think she doesnt even have a read on you and is just doing this for survivalism

Because I'm annoyed

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Titus

[DragonEater70]

No idea how much the count is and I don't care

[DragonEater70]

And the reason that I am saying the votes are in bad faith is that, quite ironically (ironically since FB shaded me earlier for "fake sorting" Ari), neither you nor Ari have made a single attempt to sort me this game (unless I missed something, this question by you which I am replying to right now is the first question either of you have asked me about my reads/thoughts/etc)

This is not even true.

2617 - Firebringer asking you about your read on me [literally asking you about your thoughts]
2618 - you claiming you townread me so there's no inconsistency
2619 - Firebringer showing you that you were actually scumreading me/him in a later post and ASKING you how your mind changed
2623 - you explaining your thoughts to him again and then later admitting you got your own read wrong

All of this is regarding Fire

I was saying you and yess weren't sorting me

How is this even related

[DragonEater70]

That explains it

[DragonEater70]

Btw Python, Drew is town right?

[DragonEater70]

Huh

I have this problem with Drew where if he's town I get very slight town pings from him but I expect to get more so I kinda leave him at null and then scumread him heavily whenever he does something scummy.

In this game I got like one town ping from him and zero scum pings. So I am guessing it *could* mean he's town, but I am also at the same spot as you, of not having enough content yet from him.

[DragonEater70]

Less cringe than voting me "for info"

[DragonEater70]

I got some useful info from voting you

Would you please share with the class?

[DragonEater70]

Hi I am notMeuh

[DragonEater70]

Hmm that's an interesting point

Pedit: wow is that the first paragon-of-mafia-hunters!Ari thought I saw this game

Pretty cool sight

[DragonEater70]

i'm not that good at catching mafia

Your win ratio as town says otherwise (I didn't check all your games but I think you won 5 of the last 6 games? Though I am also counting a game you repped out of I think on Day 1)

And let's not forget the 2-3 scum caught in Hollow Knight Mafia (according to Datisi, haven't read that game).

Pedit: yeah they could also be sleeping

[DragonEater70]

But why would I ever flip scum

[DragonEater70]

Lol

I was okay with voting Titus earlier and maybe accidentally hammering because I figured if she was town she'd have claimed the last time she was E-1

[DragonEater70]

I don’t think the maf pt is worth releasing, even with 5-6 pages there’s like nothing in there.

Wdym nothing, there is my moment of brilliance
Let Dragon see how readable he was

Hope you dont mind i talk here already, but since the game is over...

Wait, are YOU the one who figured out I was cop? Thought it was Theta.

[DragonEater70]

I will never believe Enchant randed the kill on me with Theta openly claiming thinking I was cop from my post 1

[DragonEater70]

Just saw scum PT - good job Naerys!

Alisae, please never run a game with 14 day deadlines ever again

[DragonEater70]

Dragoneater don't lie u were scum cop

I was

btw my read on Meuh was 100% a meta read and not a cop inno, I had a cop inno on Python