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19 pages.
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At least one lie was told on this page.-
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@MOD: You have two separate Brian Skies voting lines. I should have votes from Firebringer and yessiree.
thank you, fixed. ~DLast edited by Datisi on Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:39 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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Firebringer:Instantly votes me at gamestart. I do feel as though I would be a priority sort for town-Firebringer. His posting doesn't begin to feel like Firebringer until later pages. 317 is probably town, but probably not for the reason you're thinking.
Dunnstral:Dunnstral's 34 felt town, particularly in that he was interested in voting in a list that included himself. He does go on to self-meta, but I don't find that alignment indicative. Later posting feels town.
the worst:I wanted to vote the worst in my first post. Then 19 pages happened. 114 is as close to what I was going to do that I'm willing to townread the worst for it. 370 feels town.
davesaz:99 feels like a townpost. I like davesaz's insistence on keeping town on track and focusing on things that are actually alignment indicative rather than draft speculation that currently has no legs to stand on.
PenguinPower:Posting on page 7 feels town.
Gob:The early speculation on draft information feels town, regardless of whether I agree with it. 47 feels town. 295 is probably town.
May:Hypocrisy feels town in 168. Page 8 feels town.
June:Cats are cool, I guess. This is about as high as I can place her considering those above her have been townier than the literal only thing June has accomplished thus far.
Jake:Town? ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
Oblivion:I can't put my finger on it, but there's something about their posting, the way they say things, that just feels off. I do not like their 40. No definitive stance was taken, so they ended up saying a lot without actually contributing anything of value. 260 feels slightly town, but the entire interaction regarding the 'mason-blocking' feels a bit overblown. Asks a lot of questions but doesn't contribute anything of value itself. It just feels very empty considering how many words it has.
NotAScum:I feel as though scum are more likely to refuse to catch up and read a game than town. Low confidence read. Not Mafia alt?
yessiree/Pavowski:203 happened just two minutes after 201. Considering they are both entrance posts, I'm concerned of early bussing. 259 is the OMGUS from yessiree. Rule of 3 names with Pavowski in the middle. Highly suspicious. 439 is a bad post.-
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VOTE: yessiree
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It's not so much the vote as the reason for it. He jumped on my wagon as if I had been some super inactive slot that confirmed and bounced the game, when in fact, the game had only been open for 10 hours.In post 469, NotAScum wrote: Brian jumping on yessiree wagon is sus. Is there any reason you jumped on that train other than he voted you?-
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Also feel like he may be scum with Pavowski. Which, if you actually read my posts, you would know.-
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I'm going to be honest. I had to squint to figure out what I was thinking last night. But it boils down to me liking your posting around voting ducky for refusing the masonry, which felt natural.In post 494, PenguinPower wrote:
Why my posts on page 7 specifically?In post 465, Brian Skies wrote: PenguinPower: Posting on page 7 feels town.-
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Something to do with how you can't judge a warrior cat just based on what it can or can't do. Its the way a cat behaves and uses its abilities that matter. And based on a quick search, there does seem to be villainous cats in the warriors series. Anyhow, this has more to do with warrior cats than you specifically.In post 498, Firebringer wrote: Why would that post be town me.-
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It's entirely possible I read more into your post than what was actually intended. But it's basically role != alignment. And I thought that was where you were going with your post, but if not, then ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯.In post 534, Firebringer wrote:
This isn't a read!In post 530, Brian Skies wrote:
Something to do with how you can't judge a warrior cat just based on what it can or can't do. Its the way a cat behaves and uses its abilities that matter. And based on a quick search, there does seem to be villainous cats in the warriors series. Anyhow, this has more to do with warrior cats than you specifically.In post 498, Firebringer wrote: Why would that post be town me.-
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Sure, I can kinda see this.In post 548, Firebringer wrote:In post 416, yessiree wrote:
i don't really vibe with this line of questioningIn post 412, the worst wrote:
is gob someone ur actively interested in killing, or just ur top choice in a vacuum?In post 324, Firebringer wrote: idk who i would kill regardless of what Gob flipped. I haven't really been thinking about any associations if gob was scum. I don't even really think gob is scum right now, we are assuming a lot of things at this point and bound to be wrong on a few assumptions.
If gob is town then idk what that means for June or Dunnyboi
If gob is scum it probably means at least June is town
is there anything u can say to the gob-june t/m vibe here or just a vibe
feels like something only scum would ask
these posts felt pretty townie. Especially with the first where yessiree was mindmelding with meIn post 460, yessiree wrote:
this is such a fall from grace from your banger of an entranceIn post 457, NotAScum wrote: someone summarize all 19 pages to me-
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So we were not on the same page. Although this revelation doesn't change my read very much.In post 554, Firebringer wrote: i was saying june talk of warrior cats wasn't alignment indicative but i thought the cat talk was initially scummy until finding out who june was-
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Pavowski feels less scummy in iso.-
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Am I not eligible for fish?-
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I don't think gob is scum.-
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In post 578, gob wrote:
Why not? Seems scummy to meIn post 577, Brian Skies wrote: I don't think gob is scum.
Are you trying to convince me you're scum? Because it's not working.In post 579, gob wrote: everything up until this point has merely been positioning and framing for me.
I havent even used 1% of my mafia skills yet. Also on MafiaBums (i call this site mafiabums cause youre all bums to me) i only used 5%-
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Firebringer, did you know that I'm the least likely person to be a town PR? It can even be argued that eliminating me in the absence of better options is actually a pro-town move.-
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What would you like to challenge about it?In post 596, Firebringer wrote:
i challenge this townread hardIn post 465, Brian Skies wrote: the worst: I wanted to vote the worst in my first post. Then 19 pages happened. 114 is as close to what I was going to do that I'm willing to townread the worst for it. 370 feels town.-
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Sure, scum worstie can make that post. But at the time I felt it was probably townish.In post 609, Firebringer wrote:
Why can't scum worstie make this post.In post 370, the worst wrote:
Oblivion is towny, honestly if I had to take a punt I'd say Dave is kinda towny too, June is my favourite poster itt and I will not accept such slanderIn post 192, May wrote: June is kind of scummy and oblivion is kind of towny
pedit: oops, hate me*
also a big fan of unexpected misandry ig
I don't necessarily agree with those reads (at least in magnitude), but I can see where those reads could be coming from.-
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I have chosen gob and the worst as my buddy targets. They will carry me to victory.-
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I've just recently started collecting Final Fantasy Trading Cards. The Chocobo card I got is really cute.-
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I also have a fat chocobo, but that one doesn't look as nice.-
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This is why I have to keep you alive.In post 642, the worst wrote:
i'm gonna try my best. just like, fair warning, i will suddenly heavily scumread you on d3, then correct it to a hard townread on the final day, winning you the gameIn post 634, Brian Skies wrote: I have chosen gob and the worst as my buddy targets. They will carry me to victory.-
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In post 726, davesaz wrote:
Any thoughts on the very spread out vote count, with many people voting players who are virtually certain to have a PR?In post 724, Oblivion wrote: It had a very hard day yesterday, and it has now fallen ill. It is reading along as the game goes to ensure it remains caught up, so it will not fall behind. To assist it, can players provide it things that they want its take on or ask it questions by quoting this post so it can receive notifications to respond to when it has energy again?
It would be very grateful, friends.In post 178, davesaz wrote:
Eliminating people from consideration as possible scum without evidence from their posting and votes (and before mechanical results but that comes later) is one of the worst things town can do.In post 164, Oblivion wrote:
This is a game of "could"s, though. Determining what is more likely and staking your moves on that, then adapting with new information is the entire methodology of the game.In post 158, davesaz wrote:
The point is that they could, not that they will. Whether they have or not is immaterial, gambler's fallacy.In post 144, Dunnstral wrote: Can you show an example of two mafia picking the same draft number in a previous version of this setup?
Simply stating that because somehting "could" happen that we shouldn't act upon the idea that it is unlikely and attempt to solve with a mentality in mind feels reductive and dismissive, to it.
It thinks there is a good line of reasoning and ability to choose where to look first in the logic it has presented. It even stated that it wasn't willing to say it was a certainty, and yet here we are discussing in a circle about "if something IS possible then we should consider both worlds" instead of hedging and using logic to try and eliminate worlds until proven otherwise.
Not sure why it's focusing on 17 when it didn't even say anything until 40, care to explain that aspect of the points it's making?-
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I'm right-handed.-
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Eliminating scum is eliminating scum. If people have reason to suspect someone of being scum, what's it matter where they are in the power role hierarchy?In post 779, davesaz wrote: Big difference between day 1 and later days.-
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Wrong.In post 783, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
What I believe Dave (or David / other ancient characters if he prefers) means in these two posts is that we should be consolidating votes onto the same person today to build pressure onto them and see how they react. In this day, we aren't eliminating possibilities, but searching them.In post 778, Brian Skies wrote:In post 726, davesaz wrote:
Any thoughts on the very spread out vote count, with many people voting players who are virtually certain to have a PR?In post 724, Oblivion wrote: It had a very hard day yesterday, and it has now fallen ill. It is reading along as the game goes to ensure it remains caught up, so it will not fall behind. To assist it, can players provide it things that they want its take on or ask it questions by quoting this post so it can receive notifications to respond to when it has energy again?
It would be very grateful, friends.In post 178, davesaz wrote:
Eliminating people from consideration as possible scum without evidence from their posting and votes (and before mechanical results but that comes later) is one of the worst things town can do.In post 164, Oblivion wrote:
This is a game of "could"s, though. Determining what is more likely and staking your moves on that, then adapting with new information is the entire methodology of the game.In post 158, davesaz wrote:
The point is that they could, not that they will. Whether they have or not is immaterial, gambler's fallacy.In post 144, Dunnstral wrote: Can you show an example of two mafia picking the same draft number in a previous version of this setup?
Simply stating that because somehting "could" happen that we shouldn't act upon the idea that it is unlikely and attempt to solve with a mentality in mind feels reductive and dismissive, to it.
It thinks there is a good line of reasoning and ability to choose where to look first in the logic it has presented. It even stated that it wasn't willing to say it was a certainty, and yet here we are discussing in a circle about "if something IS possible then we should consider both worlds" instead of hedging and using logic to try and eliminate worlds until proven otherwise.
Not sure why it's focusing on 17 when it didn't even say anything until 40, care to explain that aspect of the points it's making?
He's saying we shouldn't be removing people from elimination consideration without sufficient evidence to back it up. In the second post, he is basically refuting the idea of deciding who to or not to vote based on draft information alone.
In the first vote, he almost flips this stance by stating that likelihood of PR matters.-
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blinks twiceIn post 812, Firebringer wrote: blink once if ur a power role challenge-
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VOTE: Pavowski-
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I will catch up later.-
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I agree that it wasn't really contradictory, and it's why I dropped it altogether.In post 1132, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
I got it so little that I made a response to this very post explaining how it wasn't contradictory.In post 1086, Oblivion wrote:
Did you not get what Brian was saying in his post? That Dave contradicted himself with his different takes, depending upon what benefitted him at the moment?In post 1076, Jake The Wolfie wrote:It speaks with confusing language that was not considered when the vote was cast. After more carefully rereading it, I can confirm that I have no access to its' privileged information, and thus can only go by what it states.
I will say that Dave is not on my radar at the moment.-
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There is still time! Don't give up yet!In post 1141, Jake The Wolfie wrote: brian flashwagon dreams will have to wait another day.-
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I find this very restrictive and would mainly want a boring ol' NotAScum wagon.In post 1289, PenguinPower wrote:
Idk…I don’t want a hard line but the top 3 or 4 likely got a role or got nothing and can get caught…yesireeish is the line.In post 1284, Oblivion wrote:
what's your cutoff line, then, 4th?In post 1263, PenguinPower wrote: We aren’t yeeting dave or Pav today.-
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I think yessiree might be town, which makes Pav less scummy.-
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True story. Dannflor grouped me with both of my stated scumreads and called me anIn post 1517, Dannflor wrote: [oblivion, jake]
[the worst, firebringer, May]
[PP, june, davesaz]
[gob]
[yessireee, notascum]
[brian skies, pavowski]
[overconfident town reads]
[town reads that i am more likely to paranoia/reevaluate]
[small town leans]
[null]
[scum leans]
[overconfident scum reads]overconfidentscumread.-
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Well, if we count NotAScum, then it's three of my stated scumreads. So apparently I'm just hardbussing my teammates.-
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What makes you say this?In post 1568, davesaz wrote: I don't get the feeling that yessiree is looking for scum.-
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In post 1589, May wrote: Brian didn't you backpedal your pav read
So why would it be unreasonable to see you with pav as scum
Why is this even remotely the most important thing in the thread to you anyway
VOTE: Brian SkiesIn post 465, Brian Skies wrote:Firebringer:Instantly votes me at gamestart. I do feel as though I would be a priority sort for town-Firebringer. His posting doesn't begin to feel like Firebringer until later pages. 317 is probably town, but probably not for the reason you're thinking.
Dunnstral:Dunnstral's 34 felt town, particularly in that he was interested in voting in a list that included himself. He does go on to self-meta, but I don't find that alignment indicative. Later posting feels town.
the worst:I wanted to vote the worst in my first post. Then 19 pages happened. 114 is as close to what I was going to do that I'm willing to townread the worst for it. 370 feels town.
davesaz:99 feels like a townpost. I like davesaz's insistence on keeping town on track and focusing on things that are actually alignment indicative rather than draft speculation that currently has no legs to stand on.
PenguinPower:Posting on page 7 feels town.
Gob:The early speculation on draft information feels town, regardless of whether I agree with it. 47 feels town. 295 is probably town.
May:Hypocrisy feels town in 168. Page 8 feels town.
June:Cats are cool, I guess. This is about as high as I can place her considering those above her have been townier than the literal only thing June has accomplished thus far.
Jake:Town? ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
Oblivion:I can't put my finger on it, but there's something about their posting, the way they say things, that just feels off. I do not like their 40. No definitive stance was taken, so they ended up saying a lot without actually contributing anything of value. 260 feels slightly town, but the entire interaction regarding the 'mason-blocking' feels a bit overblown. Asks a lot of questions but doesn't contribute anything of value itself. It just feels very empty considering how many words it has.
NotAScum:I feel as though scum are more likely to refuse to catch up and read a game than town. Low confidence read. Not Mafia alt?
yessiree/Pavowski:203 happened just two minutes after 201. Considering they are both entrance posts, I'm concerned of early bussing. 259 is the OMGUS from yessiree. Rule of 3 names with Pavowski in the middle. Highly suspicious. 439 is a bad post.
He literally took my bottom three reads, and grouped me with them. Me backpedaling on a read has nothing to do with the post that HE made.In post 1517, Dannflor wrote: [oblivion, jake]
[the worst, firebringer, May]
[PP, june, davesaz]
[gob]
[yessireee, notascum]
[brian skies, pavowski]
[overconfident town reads]
[town reads that i am more likely to paranoia/reevaluate]
[small town leans]
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[overconfident scum reads]-
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When I played, I was a support player.In post 1590, May wrote: Brian all your posts read like a gold 1 Lucian that has absorbed all the souls of everyone in bronze silver and gold and has all their MMR absorbed into homonculus of souls but can't break into any originality of plat 5 because you're not town senna's love brings no warmth-
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I don't see what confident v overconfident has to do with anything. They both represent the same idea.In post 1591, May wrote: If you're into the cogload/scum don't get jokes stuff even a little bit, then it's pretty oof that Brian parsed overconfident scumread = confident scumread-
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Hey look May, I can make several posts in a row too!-
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Making me constantly catch up on 19, 10, 20 pages of content just to be present in the conversation because you don't know how to coalesce all your thoughts into
a single post. Like, please, eliminate me. It's pro-town and will end my suffering.-
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The explanation of why they felt NotAScum's entrance could've been towny and then why it wasn't felt townish to me.In post 1588, the worst wrote:
what about yessiree strikes u as town, is it a current thing or a catching up & considering thing?In post 1582, Brian Skies wrote: I think yessiree might be town, which makes Pav less scummy.
I actually felt they were townish earlier. Aside from the potential association with Pav, I don't think they've been scummy.-
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VOTE: NotAScum
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 1607, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Do you think that he did this intentionally?In post 1583, Brian Skies wrote:
True story. Dannflor grouped me with both of my stated scumreads and called me anIn post 1517, Dannflor wrote: [oblivion, jake]
[the worst, firebringer, May]
[PP, june, davesaz]
[gob]
[yessireee, notascum]
[brian skies, pavowski]
[overconfident town reads]
[town reads that i am more likely to paranoia/reevaluate]
[small town leans]
[null]
[scum leans]
[overconfident scum reads]overconfidentscumread.
Depends on what you glean from this revelation. If you believe I seriously put both my buddies at the bottom of my initial reads list, then you're either bad or scum.In post 1624, Dannflor wrote: so am i scummy for grouping you with your scum reads brian-
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Truth be told, I would be backpedaling now. Is that what you believe I'm doing?In post 1673, Dannflor wrote:
it's unlikely the team is exactly pavowski/yessirree/brianIn post 1671, Brian Skies wrote: If you believe I seriously put both my buddies at the bottom of my initial reads list, then you're either bad or scum.
but i haven't exactly posited that
i think it's very believable that you could put one of your buddies at the bottom of your initial reads list and then back pedal on it later-
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1595 had more to do with May than Dann.In post 1672, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
By how you responded in 1595, it seemed like you believed that Dann was more or less intentionally doing this.In post 1671, Brian Skies wrote:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 1607, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Do you think that he did this intentionally?In post 1583, Brian Skies wrote:
True story. Dannflor grouped me with both of my stated scumreads and called me anIn post 1517, Dannflor wrote: [...]overconfidentscumread.
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What are your actual thoughts on him doing this?
I do not believe it's mere coincidence that Dann put me in with my scumreads. I do find it interesting that he came to the same scumreads I did initially and then lumped me in with those scumreads. What does that say about him? I don't know.
But I have generally liked the slot before this.
I do find it concerning that May felt the need to come to Dann's defense so hard that she felt the need to vote me. Her defense of Dann didn't even feel townish.-
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I feel like there should be some sort of conclusion drawn from this, but it might have gotten lost in transmission.-
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That only works if I'm scum.-
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For some of us, there won't be a Day 2.-
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The betrayal.
Now I can't backpedal on you lest I make myself more suspicious.-
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Tis a joke.-
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I liked Gob's entrance into the game. Mostly everything else is a blur, but while nothing jumps out as super townish, it feels like a steady flow of townposting (with a heavy layer of jest).In post 1711, Firebringer wrote:
hey u said gob was town. u still think that, convince me of itIn post 634, Brian Skies wrote: I have chosen gob and the worst as my buddy targets. They will carry me to victory.
Spoiler:
The one thing that I find concerning is his strong early declaration of June being town. But considering June may or may not have crumbed a power role, it's very much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I do believe Duckie did the same thing, and you're scumreading him as well.
Personally, I do not think someone having a power role in this setup is alignment indicative.
Why do you think we should be voting Gob?-
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Part of me wants to reread this game. But part of me also doesn't think NAS flip will provide much illumination.
I dunno. Gob kinda sat on my wagon for a while until he hammered NAS. So I don't really want to get in firepup's way right now.-
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I think we should keep yessiree alive and make him work for his elimination.-
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So these are the non-clears. Technically Davesaz is a non-clear, but considering him claiming tracker puts him in a losing situation as scum, I'm going to assume he's town for the time being.In post 2454, the worst wrote: basically if dave hits any of these, excepting any of [jk / n2 jk target / n3 jk target (pre-selected) / vig], we're gonna win.
Dannflor
May
Oblivion
the worst
yessiree
Firebringer
Of those remaining, I'm probably most concerned about May or Dannflor. Personally, I'm reading Firebringer and yessiree as town.-
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Yeah, but deceased townies can no longer influence the result of the game.
Either way, you should be trying to help town win so long as you're alive.-
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