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I realized just now I could make a witty comment about how you could put me in your pocket, but I didn't think to do that when I made my first post, unfortunately.-
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What’s the purpose of this statement?In post 26, Tsawwassen wrote: I won't nominate people who nominate themselves-
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Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.-
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What I’m currently interested in is your thoughts on the theory of the setup, though you could answer that as well, if you like.In post 34, Tsawwassen wrote:
The better question would've been whether if we would nominate ourselvesIn post 32, Aventurine wrote: Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.
Missed opportunities, gambler, missed opportunities-
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I agree with you; self-nomination is generally not going to be indicative of alignment, since it is advantageous for both parties to nominate themself.In post 35, Black wrote: I might be overthinking it but I think it makes sense to nominate ourselves. A townie that doesn't nominate themselves has a much larger chance of nominating scum. If we all nominate ourselves then they all cancel out and we can each choose 4 other people-
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And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.-
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Is choosing not to make that compromise towny or scummy, in your eyes?-
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Yikes, I’ll see myself out. IIn post 46, implosion wrote:
This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEALs are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.In post 40, Aventurine wrote: And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.
This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on theexactsame coalition.alsomisunderstood the setup, since I didn’t really read it in detail; I assumed we were making coalitions first and then voting on several different coalitions. I guess they’re similar, through.-
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Going to take a gamble and say that Umlaut is likely to be town.-
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I don’t. It’s just that the character thus account is themed after has a gambling addiction so I want to make as make as many references to gambling as possibleIn post 76, implosion wrote:
Why do you consider this a gamble?In post 73, Aventurine wrote: Going to take a gamble and say that Umlaut is likely to be town.-
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(He doesn’t actually) (it’s debatable)-
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Why do you ask this? Just curious.In post 138, Black wrote:
Do you think we're partnered?In post 136, Moros wrote: i agree. i am finding umlaut to be just as or more suspicious than black in this-
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I’m finding I have this gut feeling about Moros that is generally negative. It’s weird, because I’ve agreed with a lot of the ideas it’s been posting, but I can’t help but feel that there is something wrong here.-
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Interesting. Good to know, thanks.In post 140, Black wrote: I'm curious about Moros's thought process-
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I'm not liking Black or Implosion here so far.-
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HEAL: Aventurine, ceejayvinoya, Cutter B, May, Tsawwassen-
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It's less about who I'm including, but rather who I'm excluding.
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In a bit.In post 204, Black wrote:
Also I'd like to hear more about thisIn post 201, Aventurine wrote: I'm not liking Black or Implosion here so far.-
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Sorry for the wait. I have three tests tomorrow and a paper I need to complete. I'll type out the post sometime on Monday evening.In post 230, implosion wrote: words simply cannot express how voraciously i anticipate aventurine's takes. Each passing minute a torture.
ceejay, care to like, justify any of your takes or give us a sense of where you're at broadly?-
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In post 232, ceejayvinoya wrote: i mean as long as aventurine is nowhere near the coalition am okay
their approach to the game strikes me as unnatural compared to everyone else and I greatly dislike the lack of concrete thoughts coming from that direction-
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HURT: ceejayvinoya, for now-
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Might be misremembering something but I'll come back to that later. Anyway, I've come back to life. Those horrible exams thought they had me, but I'm an academic weapon so I stay on top. Post coming soon.-
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Oh, a pagetop. how pleasant-
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Ceejayvinoya, I made that post on page two.-
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Went to grab a bite and talked to a few friends, I'm back now.
Only two players on my coalition are included deliberately: May and Tsawwassen (spelled correctly?). I included May because she's generally given me good vibes. This is absolutely a read with zero basis behind it, but I'd bet that May is likely town. The inactivity(?) is a bit of a cause for concern on my end. Tsawwassen is a player I am less confident in. I came out of our interaction on page 2 feeling pretty good aside from the questions they literally didn't answer. They've been trying to actively solve, so I think that this is more likely town than not.
On the other hand, there are a few people excluded from my coalition. I'm feeling better about Moros after a day or so of observation, might consider adding it back into my coalition.
I think out of the other three, I'm more actively concerned about Black than Umlaut or Implosion. In fact, Implosion is the towniest of all of the people I excluded. I think Black is very interesting because I'm not quite sure how to read her, but her posts give me this bad gut feeling. For instance, a little while ago, she asked Moros if it thought Umlaut and her were partnered. I think on the surface this is an okay question to make, but when I asked why she asked that question she said that it was because she wanted to know Moros' thought process. This was strange to me initially, but I thought about it a bit more. Asking that is an interesting way to understand thought process. Instead of asking about why Moros felt that way, if she had really wanted to know about Moros' thought process, she instead asks a different question. And later on, she asks me what's wrong with Umlaut and why I didn't include them in my coalition. I think her questions act as a tool to help her surveil, for lack of a better term. I don't know if this is consistent across the board, but these are just two incidents that have stuck out to me.
I don't know if Black is town or not, but I think these posts are weird.
Oh, and also there's Umlaut white knighting Black on page six(?). Implosion is included because I think Umlaut and Black are likely to be paired and if they're not, I'd rather be safe than sorry.-
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I was literally in the process of typing up a post about it, but okay. I didn't need to provide you an answer when I was already working on one.In post 280, ceejayvinoya wrote: thats more of a non answer than an answer
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I do remember a prior post where Moros remarked that someone was looking like they were intentionally trying to look like they didn't want to be townread and that was worrying, and the subject of the post responded to it with something along the lines of "I fail to see how that would be worrying"(?)
The reason why it's worrying is because not trying to be townread is a towntell, but intentionally not trying to be townread looks like you're trying to mimic this towntell and that more likely than not comes from scum-
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Bad vibesIn post 284, ceejayvinoya wrote:In post 141, Aventurine wrote: I’m finding I have this gut feeling about Moros that is generally negative. It’s weird, because I’ve agreed with a lot of the ideas it’s been posting, but I can’t help but feel that there is something wrong here.
tell me more about this post-
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actually
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Was thinking about the post that Moros made and I was pretty sure the response was made by ceejayvinoya but I wasn't too sure so I removed them for now
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Because I couldn't really be bothered toIn post 288, Black wrote:Why didn't you mention ceejay at all in 282? And why are you putting him in over implosion?
And I talked about implosion in that post-
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There wasn't a particular reason.In post 293, Black wrote:
What was it about ceejay's response that you didn't like?In post 290, Aventurine wrote:Was thinking about the post that Moros made and I was pretty sure the response was made by ceejayvinoya but I wasn't too sure so I removed them for now
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Why do you want me to put implosion in my coalition so badly?In post 292, Black wrote:
......? He's the only person you didn't mentionIn post 291, Aventurine wrote: Because I couldn't really be bothered to
And yeah you talked about implosion but I want to know why you're putting ceejay in over him-
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There wasn't a particular reason as to why I took him out, but at the time I was thinking of Moros' post and I thought that was vaguely scummy. Upon re evaluation I decided that it wasn't really that bad and slotted him back in.In post 296, Black wrote: Wait I'm confused. You took him out of the coalition because you didn't like the response to Moros, but there isn't a particular reason why you don't like it?-
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You've been questioning me about why I've decided to include or not include various people in my coalition or not for a while now. It seems like you think that they're townier or that you think they should be in the coalition for whatever reason.In post 297, Black wrote: That's a weird interpretation of my question. All I want is for you to explain why you prefer ceejay over him
There isn't an explanation. I just do.-
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I feel the need to elaborate that this is hyperboleIn post 300, Aventurine wrote: for a while now-
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I think that a gutread counts as a non-concrete reason, for the record.In post 303, Black wrote:
This doesn't make any sense to me. Did you take ceejay out because he was vaguely scummy or was there no particular reason why you took him out? It can't be bothIn post 299, Aventurine wrote:
There wasn't a particular reason as to why I took him out, but at the time I was thinking of Moros' post and I thought that was vaguely scummy. Upon re evaluation I decided that it wasn't really that bad and slotted him back in.In post 296, Black wrote: Wait I'm confused. You took him out of the coalition because you didn't like the response to Moros, but there isn't a particular reason why you don't like it?-
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I don't think I'm particularly surprised or behaving in such a manner.In post 302, Black wrote:
You seem surprised that someone is asking you to explain your reasoningIn post 300, Aventurine wrote:
You've been questioning me about why I've decided to include or not include various people in my coalition or not for a while now. It seems like you think that they're townier or that you think they should be in the coalition for whatever reason.In post 297, Black wrote: That's a weird interpretation of my question. All I want is for you to explain why you prefer ceejay over him
There isn't an explanation. I just do.
And I'm not buying that you don't have one. Earlier you said you didn't like Implosion and then just recently you said he was townier than ceejay. Then you put ceejay in over him. If you can't see why that seems sus af idk what to tell you
Okay. Explain to me why my actions are scum-indicative, then. Tell me what I have to gain from these posts.-
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I'm probably going about this game wrong. Sorry, Black.
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I'm literally answering the question that you posedIn post 350, ceejayvinoya wrote:In post 285, Aventurine wrote: I do remember a prior post where Moros remarked that someone was looking like they were intentionally trying to look like they didn't want to be townread and that was worrying, and the subject of the post responded to it with something along the lines of "I fail to see how that would be worrying"(?)
The reason why it's worrying is because not trying to be townread is a towntell, but intentionally not trying to be townread looks like you're trying to mimic this towntell and that more likely than not comes from scum
isn't it easier to just aim to get townread than to go through this? I don't get it but okay I guess-
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wait nvm I misunderstood it-
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I agree with this, actuallyIn post 356, ceejayvinoya wrote: I really wouldn't like to add Aventurine to the coalition. It would be annoying later if this doesn't work out and we have to figure out if he's scum or town
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Personally I would want to get an instawin but if it isn't the game would instnatly become really annoying-
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Yes, but I'm likely wrong here. Generally I like to throw myself at anything at all and push that until I'm done tunnelling. Clearly it isn't the right approach for this game. I think you're just right here and I'm willing to trust your judgemetnIn post 313, implosion wrote: Not really sure that scum makes that sudden of a post here very frequently especially before I made my post clarifying that I don't scumread it.-
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I'm apologizing because it's lousy play on my endIn post 315, Black wrote:
I don't think you need to apologizeIn post 310, Aventurine wrote: I'm probably going about this game wrong. Sorry, Black.
HURT: ceejayvinoya, moros HEAL: black, implosion
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My defense about the ceejay coalition thing is mostly just that I felt like it.-
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In my current coalition, I feel the worst about Tsawwassen. Not that I feel bad about Tsawwassen, I’m just the least confident on that end.-
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If ceejayvinoya is town I’m fairly certain the scum pair might be Cutter B and Tsawwassen but this has no basis, I was just looking at the current coalitions-
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YesIn post 386, Black wrote:
Do you think Implosion and I are town now?In post 384, Aventurine wrote: In my current coalition, I feel the worst about Tsawwassen. Not that I feel bad about Tsawwassen, I’m just the least confident on that end.-
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Wow!!!! I haven't messaged you all since last month!!!
Anyways, catch up soon. I saw this gif and I remembered that this game existed.
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wait I'm stupid, I literally posted yesterday.-
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Nevermind. Ignore me.-
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I'm convinced by Implosion's posts and I think I'm willing to believe that you're town here, and so by extension I'm willing to put implosion into the coalition because they have generally shown town traits, and was only excluded to begin with because I scumread you.In post 389, Black wrote:
Would you mind going into your thought process a little thereIn post 388, Aventurine wrote:
YesIn post 386, Black wrote:
Do you think Implosion and I are town now?In post 384, Aventurine wrote: In my current coalition, I feel the worst about Tsawwassen. Not that I feel bad about Tsawwassen, I’m just the least confident on that end.-
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Also I don't think you and implosion are partnered anymore tbh-
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In post 474, May wrote: I'm pocketed. Sorry to anyone who wanted the spot in the coalition thats going to aventurine-
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HURT: Tsawwassen tbh-
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not feeling too good today. gonna be busy this weekend v/la until 5/6-
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