Open 786 | Dream Mafia | Cult Win!

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135 posts on the first day of a 10-day game...

Battle Mage jumping to full willingness to yeet Korina

What does yeet mean?

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Why isn't anyone acting towny? Suerly the cult leader isn't the only towny person.

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THERE AREN'T ANY SCUM IN THIS GAME!

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No one n this game strikes me as towny yet, which is weird. Maybe it's just bad player quality.

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Also, here. Have four games of mine, all cult games, and feel free to look at them and tell me if you think I'm town or cult from them, because there's differences in how I'm playing between the two.

viewtopic.php?t=81377&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - town
viewtopic.php?t=81570&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - cult (alt; different typing style)
viewtopic.php?t=81822&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - town (alt; joke alt)
viewtopic.php?t=82391&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - publicly outted cult

This is a good point. I don't like how some players are saying so surely that Korina is cult.

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You know I'm town then? and Jackson too?

This is true unless they were paying attention to the number of votes. So Battle Mage and Jackson are towny.

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132 and 138 demonstrate a sequential organization of reads that I don't remember seeing from you in our past game:

viewtopic.php?t=83080&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

My impression is that the more formal way you are approaching reads is very cautious for the profile that I imagine you have, which also gives the *feeling* of a scum agenda.

Honestly if I’m wrong on the scum team, BM would be my next guess.
Sure, why not vote this.

VOTE: BM

Why vote your third scumread?

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VOTE: Jesus Christ

i think we should start something here and see if we can persuade him to, like, answer questions, or give reads, or do anything at all besides throwing darts at the game and saying whatever post they land on is a good post

Why don't you try yourself?

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Well nobody is trying to make me make good posts.

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Logicalicaltist do you have explanations for your reads?

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Anyone else except for Korina, Battle Mage, or JacksonVirgo.

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Anyone else except for Korina, Battle Mage, or JacksonVirgo.

May I ask why you don’t think Battle Mage is Cult?

They could have hammered when Korina was at L-1, but they didn't.

I don't like how Logicalicaltist is ignoring my question. To me their contribution comes off as fake contribution.

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Anyone else except for Korina, Battle Mage, or JacksonVirgo.

May I ask why you don’t think Battle Mage is Cult?

They could have hammered when Korina was at L-1, but they didn't.

I don't like how Logicalicaltist is ignoring my question. To me their contribution comes off as fake contribution.

Scum or not, no one sane just hammers that quickly.

But it wasn't obvious that it was L-1.

Yeah BM/Ythan/Username are never T/T/T.
I believe it to be S/S/T but could be S/T/T but that’s still quite a low Probability.

T/T/T - 0%
S/S/T - 80%
S/T/T - 20%

Why?

Korina is Town
Jesus is Town
Drew is Town

Why?

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uh... you can’t hammer someone if you’re already voting them, Jesus.

now, talk us through why you don’t think Korina is cult. is that also based on a total failure to understand the game state?

Because you can tell by looking at how they played in previous cult games.

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Wow Friday and still no Korina how about that.

Activity has nothing to do with Alignment.

This is basically an excuse to be inactive. Also, you still haven't responded to me!

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Wow Friday and still no Korina how about that.

Activity has nothing to do with Alignment.

This is basically an excuse to be inactive. Also, you still haven't responded to me!

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Well, anyway, Logilcalicaltist certainly isn't playing towny, as a cult leader would do, so we should hang someone else.

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So anyone who is willing to be hanged, is not the cult leader.

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i just finished a game with town!Battle Mage and it seems he is playing pretty differently this game, last game he just deathtunneled a townie and made tons of jokes while his posting looks more safe and potential CL-like in this game. ill keep my vote where it is.

This is a good point that is stronger than my reason for townreading Battle Mage, they should definitely be the hang today

Have you considered the possibility that Korina just did a bad job. I don't think anyone is suggesting it's intentional scum wifom.

I thought Korina’s Entrance was very Townie.

i agree. Ythan what do you mean by bad job? I think Korina was very earnest and acted like a town role, clearly excited to play his setup to figure out who the scum were, expressing lots of frustration when people were wagoning him. I don't think you would replace out of your role in your setup which clearly he was excited to play as either alignment unless you were town.

This doesn't make sense, and you're not supposed to speculate about replacements so stop talking about it

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the fact is, eliminate town = +1 cult, -2 town
eliminate cultist = 0 cult, -1 town (remember the current cultist is a cult pr)
eliminate cl = -1 cult, 0 town

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I don't want to quickhang.

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Yee I'm good. Read the first 10 pages so far. Pretty sure y'all are right that Username is scum. Totally okay with that Elim.

When Logicalicaltist said that they were accused of joking...

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Technically thats "using out of game influences" and I will not take part as it is against site rules.

Hmm if it is my fault, I won't mention it again. I can see how this would be interpreted as against the rules

VOTE: Username
Your caught scum that forgot.

is this a serious vote? what happened to Battle Mage?

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Why is username scummy?

answering questions does not change alignments.

Is this an excuse not to answer questions?

this is a point that is in danger of being overlooked. Jesus suddenly turning on Battle Mage at this moment, in this way, is absolutely scummy as hell. let's not forget that his original reason for calling BM town was "he could've hammered Korina at L-1 but didn't", a factually incorrect statement, given that BM was already voting Korina at the time. this factual inaccuracy being pointed out doesn't dissuade him from that read, but then a single vague meta case does? this is clearly fake.

How do you know I still had that read after the factual inaccuracy was pointed out?
VOTE: Battle Mage

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I feel like people are bandwagoning onto username for the sake of them being a wagon, even though there are still over 2 days...

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Oh never mind the wagon is Aristophanes

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Don't post reads without explaining them...

still think Battle Mage is most likely cultist, and nobody else really fits as his leader.

Why is Battle Mage cultist? They seem like the leader because they are not posting.

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What changed?

Battle Mage is playing safe by not posting, which is the perfect strategy of a cult leader so they have minimal chance of getting hanged. Plus, my earlier read is apparently factually inaccurate.

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What changed?

Battle Mage is playing safe by not posting, which is the perfect strategy of a cult leader so they have minimal chance of getting hanged. Plus, my earlier read is apparently factually inaccurate.

BM isn't posting because they are being replaced out I assume.
This doesn't seem like the best argument.

Well, this is true I suppose. UNVOTE: Battle Mage

I guess we should wait for the replacements to give an impression before we hang.

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Let's not hang Psyche today, since he is supposedly busy and we want to see how he plays first. I don't think iamausername is cult though, since he seems not to be trying too hard to not get hanged. Can we have another wagon? (Not me)

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30 hours is enough time to get a majority...

I will start another wagon for reasons I mentioned above.
VOTE: Logicalicaltist

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Both of the main wagons are bad. You have Psyche, who still hasn't explained himself, and you have iamausername, who I think is towny because he isn't fighting to not get hanged. On the other hand, Logicalicaltist seems to be fakecontributing.

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Wait shouldn't it be deadline now?

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Anyone on that logicalist wagon is immediately on my scum list. The guy isn’t scummy, he’s just playing bad and if you take the second to actually look at it you will know. Meanwhile the BM slot has been scummy this whole time yet here we are trying to do a last minute logic wagon lol no one is seeing anything wrong with this huh?

Explain?

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Someone said that Battle Mage was inactive for non-scummy reasons, and there isn't really any other reason that he's scum that I know of. Psyche still has to read the game, so we shouldn't hang him right now. You might be right about Logicalicaltist, but to me it seems like they are just posting obvious facts. They also remained on the iamausername wagon after someone thought their reason for voting them was a joke, and never explained their reason.

@above Hiraki was never on your wagon?

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Because, right now, there isn't any reason that Psyche is scummy; they just forgot about the game. Now that Psyche can read the game, we can really determine if they're scummy or not.

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Hiraki is the place to look for a last ditch effort to save scumbuddy Psyche. his vote is the one that fully shifted momentum from me to Logic as the Psyche alternative,

I agree with your theory, except for the fact that Hiraki never voted for you!

Let's let everyone talk for a day or two and decide on an elimination quickly so we can get some energy back in this game!

"Get some energy" by trying to cause night as soon as possible

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That was the reason that I didn't switch to Psyche. Anyways, the above post makes sense.

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We should not cause night and make people not be able to post, and we should not NE and let cult convert another person!

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Because, right now, there isn't any reason that Psyche is scummy; they just forgot about the game. Now that Psyche can read the game, we can really determine if they're scummy or not.

BM had a decent amount of reasons as to why he was scummy. We just threw them all out the window because we wanted his replacement to speak which they conveniently didn’t and still has yet to.

What are those reasons? And do we have time for Psyche to get replaced before EoD?
And Username is towny from what I think and none of you have explained why he's likely to be cult.

I think BM was town and Psyche is a bad elim ftr

Why?

I would eliminate anyone except for iamausername. But we should eliminate someone active so they are able to claim.

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Actually that is very suspicious. Now I know why iamausername is likely to be cult. I have a regular cult read on them though, not a cult leader.

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Although he is a cult pr so he would be still good to get rid of.

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Can't wait for everyone to get prodded...

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No one has given any reasons that Psyche is scummy or towny yet. So I guess we hang iamausername today.

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Hiraki's desperation to save Psyche makes sense without them being cult...
VOTE: iamausername

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’d be willing to bet it all that User is town.

Why? I know he was willing to be hanged, but a cult rolecop getting replaced with a vanilla cultist isn't a big deal I think. Don't forget that he scumread me until I townread him, and then he magically switched to townreading me. Only cult would do that.

Yeah, this looks like Town!Hiraki to me

Ok then. This answers the argument of if Hiraki was scummy for switching wagons, since he had a somewhat sensible reason to.

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Ok. UNVOTE: iamausername
Also @above you are a hypocrite because you didn't explain why BM/Psyche is scum.

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Oh?

I am interested in your process in getting here!

Let's play a game. Reread Ythan's ISO and tell me his reads without him saying a word about it.

Day 1 he was tunnelling on Logicalicaltist but didn't vote for them until it was a wagon. Day 2 he seems to not want to vote for iamausername, but doesn't explain why.

I'm saying, like I've said before, that the optimal strategy for cult is to be able to manipulate their votes accordingly by not putting down any reads. By not laying many severe reads, it's easier to create a case on a person. Whether or not that case is good is another reason. Ythan has said that he's trying to get into the game time and time again but then comes back to do an OMGUS vote without saying...anything else....

This is a good point. VOTE: Ythan

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this is just a totally shameless prodge, idgaf

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Aristophanes is scum

Why?

Also Titus is not contributing. Maybe it's a sign that she's cult leader and thinks she can get away with it because there's no wagon on her?

That said, no one is answering any of my questions.

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@5above thanks for finally explaining why Titus is scummy, after many posts where I asked you to.

also, Hiraki did some shit at the end of D1 that made it really obvious that he was doing whatever he could to keep that slot alive while trying to pretend otherwise, which i helpfully summarised in 619.

It was already explained why Hiraki would do that as town.

Battle Mage (the original bearer of Titus' slot) responded to this nonsense by declaring that Korina was scum, noting that drawing attention to himself as much as he did and also voting himself to L-1 made Korina likely cultist and not cult leader, then immediately walked back this entirely reasonable conclusion and declared that actually, Korina might be cult leader after all.

following this, Battle Mage continued to tunnel on Korina to the point of not just failing to comment on literally anything else himself, but also attempting to shut down any conversation from anyone else that wasn't all about Korina.

then he flaked out as soon as he came under any suspicion.

What would be the cult motivation for that? Wouldn't a cult be fine with hanging any town?
While reading that part of the game myself I found this:

132 and 138 demonstrate a sequential organization of reads that I don't remember seeing from you in our past game:

viewtopic.php?t=83080&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=5673&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go

My impression is that the more formal way you are approaching reads is very cautious for the profile that I imagine you have, which also gives the *feeling* of a scum agenda.

which is more reason to believe Titus is scum. UNVOTE: Ythan
VOTE: Titus

also, is it just not reading the game on replacing that you're saying is a null tell for Titus, or are you saying she always jumps on the biggest wagon with a justification as terrible as "this is rather overconfident"?

This is also a good point and means that Ythan and Titus are not both cult.

Psyche replaced for non-game reasons and reading any more inti that is wrong.

Well, the point of this was that it was not towny.

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5above was referring to iamausername's post 699, because of laggy internet and the website not telling me there were new posts for some reason.

I switched my vote because I found Titus to be the scummiest for the meta reason I discovered, and it's not worth losing a town just to get a read in the case that both of them are town.

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If you actually read my post you would find this:

132 and 138 demonstrate a sequential organization of reads that I don't remember seeing from you in our past game:

viewtopic.php?t=83080&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=5673&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go

My impression is that the more formal way you are approaching reads is very cautious for the profile that I imagine you have, which also gives the *feeling* of a scum agenda.

, which is from clidd in post 217.

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If your replacement is scummy, you are also scummy.

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Still waiting for Titus and innocentvillager...

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I am the friendly neighbor, as you can see from earlier in the thread.

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My n2 was Aristophanes. Though I only sent the PM to GeneralWu so it might not have worked.

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If you were lying about not getting a message, you probably wouldn't say that you "just checked to ensure I hadn't missed a PM or something". It might be a mod error of not responding to the action.

@mod can you pm me when Aristophanes received the message in reality?

Can someone compare Ythan's interactions day 1 and day 2 since he was the convert and something suspicious might pop up?

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According to my PM, there was no moderator error. Which means Aristophanes was lying.

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I townread Aristophanes because of Korina's meta, so he is probably the new vanilla cultist.
I scumread Titus because of Battle Mage's meta, which would mean she is either the leader or rolecop.

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Does my predicted scumteam actually make sense?

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Worst what do you think of my username Hiraki JC solve?

I can't agree with it for obvious reasons.

You guys know, I can prove that I wasn't culted last night by sending someone else the friendly neighbour message this night.

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Since Titus is apparently easy to read what do you guys think?

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ok, first thing's first:

VOTE: Titus

i can't see it being Ari. no one else can see it being Ari. if it is Ari, he's played it extremely well and deserves the win.

Titus does not deserve this win.

the worst, i think the major error in your analysis above is here:

if she's the CL she's also not incentivised to reflexively bus as soon as she replaces in here.

it is, in fact, very much in cult's interest to bus their recruit there. the day began at 5:3 town:cult ratio. executing town makes it 4:3. executing cultist, then recruiting someone else ALSO makes it 4:3, except they get to take out a town PR and sow more seeds of confusion.

it is 100% clear that Ythan was trying to get himself killed yesterday, and succeeded. and who started that wagon rolling? oh yeah, Hiraki. who has been obviously fucking aligned with Titus since day one. Hiraki and Ythan planned this out in the scum PT, Titus replaced in, had this plan relayed to her, agreed that it made sense and went along with it.

innocentvillager, i think the major flaw in your analysis above is:

I'm leaning username for now mostly since CL has an almost purely survivalistic agenda and being FOS'd all game there is definite scum-motivation to keeping up content like he's been doing

i accept that i am one of the few people who is not mechanically confirmed to not be the cult leader. i accept that this puts me under suspicion, and i accept that sometimes town players will get it wrong, and sometimes i'll be the one who takes the fall for that.

but "you are scum because you've actually been trying in this game" is the worst case anyone has ever made in a game of mafia and you should be ashamed of yourself

This theory actually makes sense. Even though I didn't get recruited, they probably wanted to recruit some random person to try to get the more useful PR.
VOTE: Titus because you thought she was the leader and Hiraki the rolecop?

Also being hard to read this game would be a cult strategy, since if Titus was townread then we would stop attacking her. But you guys might townread her, so what do you think?

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Purposely bussing so that we hang the wrong cult?

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What Aristophanes gamethrew by saying he didn't get the message! Also you guys were dumb for voting him. At least I was right that Titus was scum, but I figured that out way too late.

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So no one pointed out that the jailkeeper could have blocked the message??????

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So meta is always right. People pay way too little attention to it I guess.

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Well all of the meta reads in this game were correct, and you also have stuff like

that was so ballsy and scary because I know if I was town I would’ve TR’d that so hard

which no one noticed.