Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

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Unfortunately we think ur slot has super high scum equity

Hi skitt!!

Can u tell me y tho

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Also @mena i have a p strong townpool and gamma never was townie, so he was p firmly outside of it. And i dislike his interactions with mc/mc's wagon, in that he tried to avoid it for a p long time

Okay, well I can’t answer for gamma and I haven’t read yet but I will

Like I don’t ur logic but I would like to hear more on who is particularly towny and why

Although I’d actually prob rather hear after I read up to see if we sync or not

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Hi lili!

Hi auro!

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Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

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Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

ok but that would have to be, like, us tho

~ skitteR

I’m planning to prob sit down and work through the game tomo but maybe tonight

But in the meantime is there any reason why this shouldn’t be a plausible thing? Or like any interaction you had with MC that you think spews your slot hard town?

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So I mean what I’m hearing is no then?

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That’s not me calling you scum either, btw

It would just like

Make things much easier if I could write your slot off as town instead of having to actually try and decide how much even fit town vs scum you gets for a goon flip D1

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My question was is there anything that makes it really obvious to me (without the benefit of access to ur role pm) that lets me know that you didn’t hardbus

To which you said that u pushed MC consistently from like mid-D1, which is like... what I’d expect if you had decided to hardbus D1?

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So again like, it doesn’t make you scum, but it doesn’t make you an easy clear

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If you’d had like one of your ~feelings~ from a pingy post on like pg 2 and that had then led to a full blown thing I think I could prob write it off

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Idk I think it would be dumb to lim u the day after you led on scum

But like if u end up in panic room as a result and then lead on the bomb the next day u definitely should be under a lot of consideration there

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I feel like ur taking the wrong end of what I’m saying kinda?

I’m not trying to go after u here. The fact u pushed scum is good

But like fmpov, the occam’s explanation of the gamestate is a scum hardbus. Why? Bc I know that the alternative wagon yesterday was on town, which makes me think scum weren’t trying that hard to resist murdercat wagon which in turn makes me think bussing

I’m setup terms, bussing between goons seems like a p strong overall strat? As u need a goon in the room to win (de facto)

So if ur a strong player then it at the very least makes sense to consider a plan of >hardbus other goon >kill in hood if added D1 if not then v likely to be added D2 >hardbus bomb > use towncred gained from leading on 2 scum to win mylo/lylo

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So u being very keen to take cred for the wagon today means that while it’s prob +town there’s lots of reasons if you lead on scum tomo for anyone alive with you in panic room to be v paranoid about it

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Idk this shouldn’t be taken too seriously until I’ve actually read up

But I do think it’s fair to just make the point that if u end up in lylo on like D4 and you’ve lead on 2 scum in fairly short succession I can v much see you as scum in that endgame

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I guess the most likely alternative is that my wagon is scum motivated and scum just don’t have/haven’t really had any play this game so even with trying to resist and refusing to bus they still couldn’t get gamma through

In which case probably just limming in (D&D, yyotta, GC) is winning

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Maybe with me first if the slot is that bad and DnD is obviously town

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Incidentally, I hate very much that both hydras decided to go for the same acronym

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Okay, well this is why I prob ought to like read the game properly first

I’m still not really agreeing with what you’re saying because like, the whole point of hardbussing is to get in early and strong?

And yea I asked for an interaction that made it really obvious. Like I will clearly have a better sense of this after reading but while ur obviously good enough to catch and lead on scum D1 ur also good enough to come up with a plan of just hardbussing to a win (bc I know u plan and that’s something I would seriously consider in any setup like this)

So I guess I don’t think it would be a lolhardbus in that case, but instead a p solid strategic bus? Esp if murderkitty was on board or w/e

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i think the simplest explanation for how eod1 happened is that both MURDERKITTY and gamma are scum. if gamma is town there's at least one scum in {other dnd, gc, and yyotta iirc}

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I mean I don’t hate this plan fwiw but I would rather just lim in that pool first

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I think that’s supposed to be me - in which case: I think I’m pretty far out of my scumrange, I was scumreading gamma for what felt like incredibly bad faith responses to me, infinity should also be in the elimpool given how skittish he was of murder wagon until the end, and I highly doubt that both other scum were on gamma at eod, especially given that... I know I’m town.

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Okay, then hopefully if ur far out of SR then I’ll be able to see that when I actually go and read! In which case it is probably just yotta and GC

Or if not then yeah, infinity or NM could be bussing, but if we do me first then whoever’s left is just gonna have to sort it out between you/infinity/NM

Unless there’s some way the bomb mechanic gives autowin before then which if there is basically guaranteed scum on me then I wonder if it’s auto to just induct all the early murderkitty voters into the panic room and then lim through the 6 of us consecutively

That prob doesn’t work tho

i think the simplest explanation for how eod1 happened is that both MURDERKITTY and gamma are scum. if gamma is town there's at least one scum in {other dnd, gc, and yyotta iirc}

~ skitteR

inclined to agree except I think gamma town -> scum!gc fairly definitively. and obviously I’m town

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I quoted the wrong thing but what was the weird defence stuff gamma was doing? Why was it weird?

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I feel like I’m confbiasing because as of pg 3 the 2 entrances I like the least are GC and yotta, and I also think lili seemed towny in her entrance which makes me wanna TL skitt a bit more for mindmelding

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Do u feel v tunnelled on me skitt?

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Okay that’s fine

Was asking mostly bc if I get to a point where I’m like happy happy with the idea of town!you then I was considering saying that if we just settle it as me being the guaranteed lim today would u spend the rest of the day trying to sort in my wagon from yesterday w/ me

If it’s not like a super túnel then I guess I’ll just do the catchup thing normally and hopefully u see I’m town

Or maybe I just never get really comfortable with town you in which case I guess the game becomes more tryhardy

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like i can unvote in good faith to let u get acclimated but your slot is my best bet rn

~ skitteR

No like it’s fine

I think if ur town then it makes a lot of sense to want to elim some order of (me, yotta, DnD, GC)

I just wanna get to a point of higher confidence on that

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I feel like I may be confbiasing on this too but to me those posts look p towny assuming that gamma has like an ounce of an idea of how to play scum, which I think he does

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I guess if anything is really concerning to me about those it’s like the last 3-4

But like the rest looks far too wrong for me

I am sorry it was a shitty time tho, and hopefully now I’m in the slot we can have more fun

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I have turned over a new leaf since black flag and am now the chilliest boi

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It’s my final form

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Wait is this cakez or lili?

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Wait it is lili right? Idk I don’t think of you as a tryhard particularly

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I guess what I should say is I’m trying to have a more chill attitude to avoid making games unpleasant

Which I feel is like a slow teleological progression of me as a player

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i mean we can do this too, there's still a third scum out there and i have no idea who it is (and tbh there's a better than decent chance it's in those three names)

like i don't think i'm tunneled but i do think i have reasonably strong reasons to think ur scum (largely independent of u or anything you've said)

You don’t think 2/3 on me yesterday?

In that case either late bus or if they saw it coming early bus on murderkitty

And as for the latter... meh? Like I can’t speak for gamma and either I can get u to see I’m town during the course of the day or we just lim me and u take the info and play from there

Like it lowkey sounds like it will come down to a paranoia thing in which case ehhh I get it but will be annoyed ~somewhat~ if this becomes a tryhardy game for me and I get limmed bc of unsettling stuff from gamma

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But like fmpov, the occam’s explanation of the gamestate is a scum hardbus. Why? Bc I know that the alternative wagon yesterday was on town, which makes me think scum weren’t trying that hard to resist murdercat wagon which in turn makes me think bussing

i don't understand this either.

if gamma/mena = town, then there was a scum wagon and a town wagon, and so correct assumption is that scum bussed rather than tried to get town eliminated?

also, what would be "were'nt trying to hard to resist murdercat wagon" that wasn't infinity/gamma's reaction to the MC wagon?

I’m saying a very sensible assumption given the setup is that scum (specifically the other goon) has a v clear path to a win from a hardbus on D1 and that shouldn’t be discounted

The path would be >lim murder kitty >NK >9 players left, goon prob gets inducted into the panic room >hardbus the bomb D2 >3p lylo where the goon has led on both their buddies but can explain still being alive via NK expiring after bomb dies

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As for the gamma/infinity thing, I would like to hear infinity on that but like this is the consequence of jumping in to chat with the plan to catch up gradually when I’m in the mood

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You don’t think 2/3 on me yesterday?

In that case either late bus or if they saw it coming early bus on murderkitty

And as for the latter... meh? Like I can’t speak for gamma and either I can get u to see I’m town during the course of the day or we just lim me and u take the info and play from there

Like it lowkey sounds like it will come down to a paranoia thing in which case ehhh I get it but will be annoyed ~somewhat~ if this becomes a tryhardy game for me and I get limmed bc of unsettling stuff from gamma

well MURDERKITTY was off
so both non-flipped scum need to be on you out of three players and you'd need to be town for that to happen and i just don't think that's super likely
the eod felt almost too 'limp' for the gamma cw to be driven by two scum on in - there just wasn't really momentum there, and why wasn't MURDERKITTY voting his own cw?

and i don't think it's a paranoia thing. like it's not abt you. it's about gamma and how day1 played out

~ skitteR

I can only assume that murderkitty was doing that as a frame job

And i didn’t mean the paranoia thing like rn as things stand, I meant it more as in I think I’m generically capable of obvtown img in most games and so I’m just sort of defaulting to the assumption I will here too, at which point I think limming me will be more about paranoia over gamma than me myself

But maybe I’m getting too far ahead

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Menalque, I'm somewhat interested in your lack of a townread on Lilith.

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I... don’t have a lack of a TR on lili?

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Not sure where ur getting that from auro

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The path would be >lim murder kitty >NK >9 players left, goon prob gets inducted into the panic room >hardbus the bomb D2 >3p lylo where the goon has led on both their buddies but can explain still being alive via NK expiring after bomb dies

oic


have you played this setup before?

No but i considered signing up for it while it was in queue and was thinking about it then

mena are you assuming i was inducted in the panic room?
and given that from your pov you're town i'm not hardbussing the bomb ...

~ skitteR

I’m assuming u get inducted into it, not that ur necessarily already in it

I’m thinking if u were inducted yesterday u defo hardbus the bomb if scum today

But I think u prob wait for the confirmation of being inducted if scum rather than starting off hard bussing the bomb today it u weren’t inducted yesterday

lol if mena = scum, and is just miffed he has a better strat than maybe OG scumgroup did, so he's like "here's what they should've done"

That is something I would do tbf

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Yes - I was expecting scum to do that ever since the game started, too.

Do u mean u expected scum to do my strat or that u expected scum to just have a better strat or what?

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I am using D&D for lili/cakez and DnD for u/skitt btw

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Yeah, I expected scum to pull the early hardbus strategy.

And I’m assuming u agree with skitt that this didn’t happen or are u both discussing it?

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I had a job interview which I think (?) has gone well so I’m celebrating tonight but don’t have much on tomorrow so I’ll see about reading through then

Unless the entire game is for some reason turning on my slot I don’t get why that’s like preventing other things from happening, and if it is then... ur just gonna have to wait, soz

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Well if that ain’t a goddamn lie idk what is

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I may(?) catch up but maybe it’s easier to just flip me and go from there

Like I’m not sure my reads are worth the total utility to town vs the amount of effort it would take me to make them and I just generally feel p unmotivated when I’m locked into dying

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I think probably if you just flip just flip me -> yyotta/GC -> GC/yyotta -> skitter!hydra this wins

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Idk, maybe not skitter!hydra but one of the DnDs

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Not sure

I’d love to say it’s because she was one of the only slots who wasn’t deadset on me dying but I think realistically nothing was gonna change that today esp with infinity!flip

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So presumably something else

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I’m honestly p indifferent?

Like if u think it will be helpful going on then try to form reads but it’s realistically gonna be more from interacting with people live/present day than reading back

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I guess reading back maybe happens if I feel like I get more engaged with the game from talking to people today

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I think one thing about the salsa!kill that makes me slightly uneasy is that after glancing at iso I feel like her flipping doesn’t do much for any other slots associatively

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Who should make it into elim or lose?

And who would they vote to elim?

I mean I don’t really wanna take too much responsibility for who should be the final flip? Like yeah, NM should prob also be considered if in lylo

I just think the correct action is prob to lim me and then once I green the people on my wagon D1

But like I’m not convinced that D&D are scum, and I think by that point you’re in what’s basically a lylo situation

My thinking is that if my wagon is pure then hardbussing becomes more likely, and so if DnD is still alive by that point their scum equity goes ++

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I think my slot endgaming would be a terrible idea lol

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Hmm? I read EoD overnight and agree he woulda been sus if infinity!town but given infinity!scum I thought the way he voted was quite non-partnery

But like yeh if he’s in endgame do due diligence etc etc

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Auro u think catboi scum hardbussed both buddies?

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oh, hmm

idk I think that would be a weird play? like if u think infinity is outed scum at that point and you think I'm scum then it's not an awful idea to just bypass the thing? and it makes it harder for him to win as scum than just seeing the bus through on infinity and then pushing me today, I think, because he loses cred from moving off infinity!scum onto me!town, whereas if he does it infinity!scum into me!town then he's not losing anything as I seem to just be consensus

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in fairness that's skitt and the pet scumread head is auro

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My thinking is that if my wagon is pure then hardbussing becomes more likely, and so if DnD is still alive by that point their scum equity goes ++

i'm still having some issues with your thought process from daystart yesterday, where you said we were bussing mc day1 to get cred to bus the bomb day2 .... when i was pushing *you*

so like from your pov i was clearly and obviously not pushing the bomb but you were positing that that's what i had to have been doing?

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I feel like I already explained this? which is that if u were not inducted yet into the hood then u couldn't safely start hard bussing the bomb at start of day, and therefore I was a safe option?

bc either u would get a free elim OR you could always pivot to a bomb!bus once the day had progressed and once u were in the hood. but u wouldn't wanna get locked into bussing the bomb from the start of day and then have to pivot off weirdly halfway through if you still weren't hooded by then

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like I think that's p obviously what I meant ?

just because the strat might be to hard bus the bomb if you!scum doesn't mean that's who you start off pushing

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yeh

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jeez guys read the setup

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Role PM

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a

Town Recruiter

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Abilities:

You are a member of the Neighborhood [link]! PLAYER, Town Recruit, also has access to this Neighborhood.
During the first day, you must choose a player and bold their name in the neighborhood. That player will gain access to your neighborhood. They will also gain this ability to be used on the next day.

You win when all of the mafia have been eliminated.

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oh whoopsie quoted my role PM, looks like a ban is incoming

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I feel like I already explained this? which is that if u were not inducted yet into the hood then u couldn't safely start hard bussing the bomb at start of day, and therefore I was a safe option?

bc either u would get a free elim OR you could always pivot to a bomb!bus once the day had progressed and once u were in the hood. but u wouldn't wanna get locked into bussing the bomb from the start of day and then have to pivot off weirdly halfway through if you still weren't hooded by then

i mean are you talking abt the universe where i'm the day2 inductee?

yea

I mean if u were the D1 inductee then I guess u could start out bussing the bomb if scum, but I prob wouldn't induct u on D1 and so I guess I was expecting others wouldn't either

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I have plans to write one for every slot but I’m not at a computer / will be busy for a few hours

you're doing one on why every slot isn't the bomb? looking forward to mine! glad you came around lili

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I’m slightly irritated by the lack of desire to sort my slot via actually sorting me vs my predecessor but equally I understand it I guess

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Goddamn, you guys are so lucky that you get to do those quickhammers as town otherwise you’d look so bad tomorrow

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But I mean, feel free to post your breakdowns if you feel they need to be seen lili

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BAH!

Spoiler:

also, sorry salsa

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It’s 4/7 bro, check your count

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Yes lol

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I would never scumclaim without checking the count

And I would totally never twilight troll

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Unless catboi

But, catboi!

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Yeah this game was really lost on D1 I think but town played excellently

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Who was the original recruit?

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Oh, is it NM or catboi?

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Mena when i asked abt salsa's death you should have just gone: meh idk

Your answer was scummy in that it belied a narrative that scum were very likely to have thought up but town wouldnt have

Fair, I considered doing that but was worried it would look overly nonchalant

I didn’t give the full narrative (and think I lied or omitted something) but was hoping it would look equivalent to me having *just* thought about it rather than planned in advance

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I think there was a hope that MC would turn up and gamma thought that if that happened he was saveable

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Yeh, I think there was a lot of commitment to murderkitty because they both like him

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Yeah that makes sense with scum PT stuff

And tbh I think it’s kind of easier repping into a slot when you’re basically totally lost than one where you’re very lost but it could maybe be saved

I personally feel a lot more pressure to tryhard in the latter and then it’s shitty bc you do still prob lose. Whereas here the game was so lost I didn’t feel too stressed about trying which was lucky bc things IRL were kinda rough for a couple of day’s and so I also just wasn’t able to