Open 807 | Town Win

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Hello!!!!!

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wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And this... this is a pagetop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I don't see how that's a correction - the previous post can still have been correct, as you hadn't seen post 25 at the time that you made post 23. Shouldn't it be an addendum?

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Well then why did you lie in post 23?

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That poor cyndaquil.

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Slow game.

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this is a bad thought, for the reason that i am

town

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you can tell that i'm town because all of the exclamation marks in my first few posts indicate excitement; i prefer playing as town, therefore, i wouldn't be excited if i hadn't drawn town.

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I expect everyone on my wagon to unvote me in their next posts.

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Any day now.

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Take your time.

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they're just jealous

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I think this is all slightly town for pooky and scipio but I am annoyingly drawing blanks mostly.

It'd be nice of all the other lovely members of this wonderful player list would grace us with their benevolence.

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Maybe the real benevolence.

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If anything that's a towntell on STD (Save? Dragons? What is your preferred shortening if any :X). It shows he's looking at the thread proactively even as the most recent poster.

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interesting is one word for it.

boring is another.

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Lord High Admiral of the Antarctic Kingdom

I take issue singularly with this qualification and you know why.

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you literally just said i could pagetop

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implo, feel free to take as many pagetops as you can

it's LITERALLY right there

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That role actually isn't in this setup, PookyTheMagicalBear!

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That isn't my name!

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Not only is that not true, I didn't even look at the setup! I just remembered it!

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Not really?

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Seems a bit intense for a forum game.

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I'm going to stop fluffposting now because I don't want the >1/2 of the player list with <=5 posts to be bogged down before they can enter the game.

I'm explaining this so as to project that I'm town.

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Having less than five out of seven pages of people posting useless shit helps with that.

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I mildly like Artemiana, std, pooky, maybe a50 for town.

Mildly like Dunnstral and MiniMegabyte for scum.

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It's about as straw-graspy as anything you can imagine. The fact that she felt the need to say "obvious reasons" attached to the NM vote. A slightly awkward entrance with nothing since then.

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I can imagine a world where you now point to 80 and say "a-ha, you're being logically inconsistent, you should have pointed this out back then instead of saying you had no reads"

And to this theoretical world, I make this preemptive post retorting you.

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I'm begging for people to actually play this wonderful game of mafia we've found ourselves in!

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What are your reads other than me being lockscum, pooky? Who are you going to flip after I flip red? Certainly you've figured out at least one buddy.

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You're sidestepping the question!

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Oh, it doesn't have to be for associative reasons. You could catch my scumbuddies off of their posting alone, for all I care!

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I don't understand how reads on 11/12 of the players in the game can possibly be perceived as pointless. Nor details.

But alas, as you're refusing to Engage With Me In Good Faith, this will be my last post on the subject.

P-edit: Dunnstral.

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Oh and to be clear I'm withholding my vote until I can use it to sheep Something_Smart.

VC 1.6

Not voting (4):

Scipio1, Something_Smart, implosion, Almost50

Scipio1 (1):

Dunnstral

Not_Mafia (2):

Minimegabyte, Not_Mafia

implosion (3):

PenguinPower, Save The Dragons, PookyTheMagicalBear

Something_Smart (1):

Salsabil Faria

Battle Mage (1):

Artemiana

Save The Dragons (1):

Battle Mage

(expired on 2021-03-24 08:06:31) until deadline

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I don't do pre-flip associatives because they're pointless and dumb

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I hate day one that’s why I don’t post much I read though but don’t feel like I have anything worth posting or anything

What does your ideal d1 look like? We elim N_M on page three?

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You don't seem to have taken issue with the other guy calling me scum

I'm also trying to figure out what your motivation for posting this was. Pooky called you locktown... I called you someone that I "mildly like for scum" and then listed you when Pooky asked me to list one person that I thought was scum, essentially.

Why do you feel Salsabil taking issue with the latter implies she should take issue with the former?

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whoops; swap the words "former" and "latter" in that sentence.

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Who all is even in this game?

Some1 talk 2 me plz

What or who do you want to talk about?

VOTE: Not Mafia

Obvious reasons

what are the obvious reasons

if it helps, pretend i'm an old salt who hasn't played mafia in 5 years

Not_Mafia is generally known for lurking, not really posting anything game relevant when he does post beyond a vote, never explaining anything and quick hammering anything that reaches e-1.

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I mean half of my game so far has literally been parodying LAMIST as a concept.

I can vibe with that Artemiana post being sketchy.

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VC 1.9

Not voting (4):

Scipio1, Something_Smart, implosion, Almost50

Scipio1 (1):

Dunnstral

Not_Mafia (2):

Minimegabyte, Not_Mafia

implosion (3):

PenguinPower, Save The Dragons, PookyTheMagicalBear

Dunnstral (1):

Salsabil Faria

Battle Mage (1):

Artemiana

Save The Dragons (1):

Battle Mage

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VOTE: Pooky

You slipped.. TWICE.

Spoiler: explanation

Posting the Russian flag is an attempt to inform your Scum partners you are the Traitor. As we all know, Russia was the heart & sould of the former USSR, and the USSR flag was RED.. thus USSR is the main Scum team, and Russia is the Traitor.

BEAT THIS kind of Scum hunting.

Now this is the kind of quality posting I’m here for.

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I'm going to resist the urge to respond to std with self-meta, at least for now.

But boy howdy the urge is there.

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There's three people "scumreading" me and I've barely posted

You guys can go ahead and town lock me

Care to answer me?

Where on earth did I say I understand???? I keep saying I’m confused

Is your confusion over the mason claim preventing you from finding anything else about either of them that you feel you can read them off of? Or have you looked and not found anything else, or do you have other opinions on them not related to the mason claims?

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Artemiana wagon's not a bad thing to have occur. Curious to see what happens with it, I think if she posts more she'll be relatively easy to sort but needs a bigger corpus to read from. BM's posting is pretty alright.

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beep.
I agree artemiana is wrong that it's wrong to wagon someone who's V/LA but like, from a pragmatics perspective it's sort of wrong (in that it's less useful) and I don't think her reaction is especially scum-indicative.

@STD: I probably will vote at some point idk. But also I think it's a pretty good meme if I don't until S_S does. If there's something that tickles my fancy enough I could.

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what do you think of the points raised against Artemania and Something_Smart?

I don't find any of them *especially* convincing. My reads on both are sort of in holding patterns of wait-and-see-what-they-do I suppose. S_S's outright refusal to do anything until now is neutral to me given what I know of his meta/the state of the early game.

I don't really buy that artemiana's Pooky push is scummy at all in the way B_M described it, I think scum would kind of not really want to push pooky here bc he's being very reactive. That said I don't townread her either.

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the amount of hate you have for the minimal shitposting in this game is unreal

This is fair and I can understand thinking he's scum just for this too, I have a hard time evaluating that kind of thing bc it's also something that I don't know if scum would flagrantly lie about.

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you don't think multiple posts that literally boil down to "there was shitposting in this game and I don't like that" is a little excessive?

It is excessive but I don't see it as something scum is especially more likely to say than town.

I like S_S's posting on page 18.

My current inclinations are something like... STD > Pooky > S_S > [everyone else] > (but not really meaningfully) Mini, Dunn.

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How are y'all's weeks getting going.

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This is your townreads?

The first people are townreads, the last couple are weak scumreads.

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Lightly townreading salsabil's catchup.

I don't especially like the Artemiana wagon but I am getting tired of waiting for her to do something, mostly because I still think when she does it'll be relatively fruitful to read off of.

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I also am lightly townreading Not_Mafia.

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be the justification for potentially joining her wagon

Wasn't trying to imply that it would be. I don't intend to ever join it or hammer in this game, at least not for at least like 4 more RL days or so.

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can you tell me what you're planning to do in that 4 RL days?

Mostly chill and play the game. The point being that there are still people that I want to hear more from (Mini, Dunn, Artemiana), and if Artemiana is town then an early hammer on her would mean a not especially useful day imo.

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I don't really see anything that looks like a crumb in Penguin's recent posting but I didn't look all that far back. It's entirely possible he'd hide behind N_M tbh.

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I guess if the traitor wasn't recruited, then they're almost certainly offwagon, yeah? No reason to bus as a traitor with a 2-person scumteam.

That said I guess both of the people I somewhat suspected yesterday are offwagon so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's probably jack shit useful associatives from Artemiana as well. Maybe like Pooky-town but I wasn't especially thinking Pooky was scum.

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VOTE: MiniMegabyte

I think this hits scum decently often.

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I actually can't really deny that looks like a traitor signal lol. It isn't but alas. I'd like to think I'd be more nuanced about it? I have a completed game from the long ago as a traitor and I don't think I ever signaled.

I was assuming the "day two" thing was just a mistake and I don't understand why anyone thinks it isn't?

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penguinpower "crumbing" a hide on me by scumreading me half the day then not scumreading me half the day would be absolutely hilariously bad play.

N_M makes sense as a target; open 806 just ended where Penguin incorrectly townread N_M but his play this game IMO was a bit starkly different from that one (hence me saying I lightly townread him).

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and the way PP plays Weak Hider is NOT to try and survive, but rather as a one-shot Cop.

based on...?

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ISO PP. He voted implo in RVS, was focused on him all day, and revoted him to reassert his crumb. He voted STD afterwards for a short period (which I don't think is the true crumb, but can't rule it out) and then he switched to Artimiana.

You don't think PP would go into the night without crumbing his target, would you? Now unless you think "Pooky is town" was the actual crumb (in which case shame on PP) or the "Lying clodpole" was a reference to him targeting N_M, I can't seem to find anything more telling than PP SRing implo and spending the whole day arguing he was Scum.

ALSO, Pooky -if Town- is/was a prime NK target himself, so PP would not have hid behind him regardless. N_M was early on the wagon so is unlikely to be suspected by PP too, and the way PP plays Weak Hider is NOT to try and survive, but rather as a one-shot Cop.

So to sum this up.

PP did some stuff early relating to me early in the day, which is definitely when weak hiders crumb targets (read: they don't because they'll do it near the end of the day because

that's where people look for crumbs because that's when power roles have all the info from the day to pick a target

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he must have crumbed somehwere

it could have been in these other places, but it isn't, because [lack of reasons]

therefore, it has to be me

i'm going to just not engage with this any further unless anyone else specifically wants me to.

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n_m also makes sense as target bc... he's n_m. Good chance penguin townread him and just assumed there was no way in hell he'd be n1'd.

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Got any reads, Mini?

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multiple people have townslipped or fake-townslipped... Salsabil with, well, most of what she's doing kind of (her seemingly having not thought for a moment what the setup looks like from scum perspective). Battle Mage twice, once with not knowing traitor mechanics and more significantly here:

But Pooky might be the sort of clever so-and-so to just pick 1 or 2 super powerful PRs to leave a fakeclaim available.

because I'm fairly sure the setup doesn't have scum pick town roles, it just has them effectively pick how many there will be. Or I guess the phrasing in OP is a little ambiguous since it does say some are granted by mafia but it also says some are granted randomly so they wouldn't have safe fakeclaims either way.

I like Salsa's enthusiasm

the shit is very +Town

Agree.

Artemiana being so pissed off makes me think it slightly more likely they were being bussed. especially because like, the player was just a goon, so it wasn't that big a deal for them to eat one.

Remember there might be a traitor; it's possible for goon to be a very important role in this setup.

That said I'm not sure why S_S is acting like scum can't recruit the traitor? In my mind recruiting the traitor is the #1 powerup for scum to pick. We need to temper assumptions around the existence or non-existence of a traitor until later in the game post-massclaim (if it even lasts that long).

Implosion's ISO is real interesting - just looking through, lots of references to Artemania - originally premier townread somehow, and although acknowledges 1 scummy post, Implosion does more than anybody to try and subtly protect Artemania from the sidelines.

This is actually mostly accurate (though I wouldn't call her a "premier townread" initially, those original reads were me desperately trying to get something to happen in a game that was only fluff). I just didn't want the wagon to go fast; as I said, there was still a lot of time left in the day and lots of people who still needed to contribute. There was, in my mind, no reason to wagon Artemiana that hard *yet*, because eliminating her would be too early and pressuring her harder didn't seem useful until she was back from v/la.

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Right now I'm inclined to townbin, roughly but not strongly in order of strength: Salsabil, Pooky, Battle Mage, STD, A50.

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my gut feeling is I'm willing to give Mini a pass for today. I think if Mini is actual scum, Mini gives a PR to Artemiana. I'd rather focus on the players who I think would have left the newbie with no power in a game where the gimmick is about scum choosing whatever PRs they want.

I also think if Mini is scum, town pretty much always wins this game now, so there's no rush to do that elim. Maybe one for tomorrow.

The first statement here, I have two problems with. One, less importantly, I just disagree that you can read that strongly into how someone would distribute PRs. Do you have extensive experience with MiniMegabyte? Where are you getting the idea that she's the kind of person who would want to load scum with PRs? Second and more importantly, this doesn't disqualify her from being scum even if correct, because she could be a traitor (or a recruited traitor) who'd have no say over how PRs were chosen.

The second statement here, basically amounts to "I think MiniMegabyte will be eliminated before the game ends", which, i mean, why not do it now so that we can go into future days with more information when we eliminate people that we're less sure we're going to eventually eliminate ?

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Salsabil asked for a MiniMegabyte case. It's not going to be especially strong because... she hasn't posted all that much. But it goes something like this.

She started by voting Not_Mafia, and then didn't post until 48 hours later she posted this:

I hate day one that’s why I don’t post much I read though but don’t feel like I have anything worth posting or anything

I think the biggest thing here is that it feels like she's scum who decided to pick one or two things she could safely comment on and then just ignored everything else. Compare the first towngame I randomly clicked on here (she replaced out on day one but was there for about as long as this d1 lasted) where she had a post (317 in that game) where she literally had a quote wall of 26 quotes to catch up to everything that had happened in that game. She then named 3 people as scum and then engaged consistently over the next 4ish pages and, critically, over a period of just over 2 real-life hours. This game she has shown none of this kind of engagement. Seriously, just look at her ISO's posting patterns. Look at the timestamps, look at the post numbers. The literal only response that she's given to someone in the moment was her most recent post where I directly asked her a question. She has a couple of strings of posts that are near each other in time, but they're all her posting several times

in a row

- never her engaging with someone, always her monologuing then leaving the thread to come back later.

She clearly sometimes has things worth posting as town on d1; after all she went through the effort in this other game to do a huge catchup and then engaged with the thread for hours. Mind you this is literally the first random game I clicked in her completed games. In this game her contributions are the six posts starting with 272, which together account for 40% of her posting on d1, and whose arguments amount to being that claiming an impossible role is weird and why would someone do it and not liking a couple of comments. As I described, this looks drastically more like scum who is looking for things to comment on than town who is trying to suss out peoples' alignments.

She's also made multiple statements that are directly contradictory with what I see of her town game in that other game; there's the comment about not having useful things on d1 but there's more poignantly this:

Im not really one for putting reads directly out there

which is just, untrue. In that other game she listed 3 people as scum on day one, unprompted.

I could say more but I'd mostly just be rehashing these points. Just look at her ISO, it's short.

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Perhaps they can, but that requires them to both know who the traitor is and sacrifice a kill, with pretty disastrous consequences if they're wrong.

D'oy. I forgot that this changed from the old version of stack the deck to this one. Never mind.

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Regarding other players, at a glance:

S_S hasn't yet done anything that discounts him from being scum in my eyes. He might at some point.

Scipio hasn't given me the strong town pings that he gave me in open 806 (I was SK but wasn't lying about most of my reads). I haven't looked deeply at his slot here yet.

Dunn has yet to present any real reason for him to be town.

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(And by "present any real reason" I don't mean literally argue that he is town, i mean do anything town-indicative)

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Was the bold your attempt at a townslip? You pretending not to know that there is a traitor in the setup? Stretching credulity here!

Like I mentioned I was confusing this setup with the old version of stack the deck.

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What do you think of my Mini case, BM?

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Eliminating a traitor doesn't do nothing, even if there's no recruiter. It gives us info that there's only one scum left. It gives us associatives. It gives us more nights for a possible Jailkeeper and/or Follower to get results, and makes those results more reliable.

Calling an elimination "lame" doesn't make it bad from a game-winning perspective.

I'm more talking to other people than you since you seem pretty sure you don't want to.

implo, what are your thoughts on the bm attack on you?

I think it's pretty reasonable to suspect me based on my play around Artemiana yesterday, at least on a surface level. I think he's making some unnecessary assumptions around how people would play around a traitor or around a 2-person scumteam, etc. I think I'll ultimately look fairly town on my play today and I'm not all *that* concerned even if I do eventually get mis-elimmed. I also agree with S_S that his statement "always push people that defended scum" is extremely narrow-minded. It's always about context.

I also think he's generally engaging with the game in a pretty towny way right now so I'm not really concerned about him beyond convincing him that I'm town, but he doesn't seem especially receptive to that right now so I'll try to do it later.

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And I think you're wrong on the traitor. We don't need to elim the traitor to win - elimming the last mafia wins us the game. So why would we ever focus on the traitor?

Because I'm not focusing on the traitor, I think she's scum and don't necessarily know which and don't buy your reasoning for her not being mainscum.

"always push people that defended scum" is not "extremely narrow-minded". It should be a basic principle of mafia.

It really shouldn't! If it was, scum would literally never defend each other and would just bus and automatically win off the town cred.

The basic principle of mafia is to consider, based on context of how the wagon went down and who the people in question are and whether that person likely would have been eliminated anyway and whether scum had anything to gain from defending them and so on and so forth... well, it's not that basic. Because it's a nuanced game, and you're wringing all the nuance out of it with most of your takes.

I agree it's a good idea to

bias

yourself toward people who defended scum being scum, but it isn't a good reason fullstop on its own without context.

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I don't think you're a dumbass. I think you're just simplifying things a bit. Mostly I take issue with the word "always" in your statement. But it honestly doesn't matter, it's a moot point.

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(And now that you're explaining more I do agree you're using more nuance than I was giving credit for)

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You don't even think she has a "good chance of being town" - by your own admission you think she's above average likelihood to be traitor. At least, you by your own admission also think she could be scum. And like I said, I think it's fine to lim a traitor today.

If I give credit to your judgment that doesn't mean I'm going to automatically substitute your judgement for my own, and my own is that Mini's game here looks different from her town game. If everyone in the game that I trust echoes a chorus of "implosion, you're wrong on MiniMegabyte!" then sure but you're one person.

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I agree it seems likely good as scum to just pick no PRs. That said I don't think it's important to really care about that until massclaim.

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@MiniMegabyte

: if you were scum here, what power roles do you think you'd have picked, and why?

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I think they absolutely could decide to take no PRs!

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I'm honestly struggling to understand why you're so hung up on Mini though? Nobody has suggested you switch anybody else's judgement for your own, but there is a rationale for Mini being town which should factor in to your viewpoint, and since you believe me to be town, wouldn't it make more sense to work with me today to find consensus scum?

Pretty hard to work with you when you're voting me, talking past my arguments, and saying I should blindly listen to yours.

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Like I don't understand how I'm supposed to work with you when I'm your primary suspect. The first step to that would be to convince you that I'm town, which you're seemingly quite convinced is not the case.

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how about "Random Drunk Dude with a Persecution Complex"

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It's less about knowing them (I do know both of them at least some, though not from playing games with them) and more about not believing that whether they'd pick PRs is something that can be confidently sussed out by knowing personalities, especially when it's the kind of thing scum could be liable to think twice on.

I'm also barely "tunneling" Mini; I was asked to case her, I cased her, she literally hasn't posted since then. It's been like two hours.

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Again. Not changing my mind in response to one person disagreeing with me is a far cry from "tunneling".

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a50 i figured out i was wrong about traitor mechanics earlier.

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I would like Mini to respond to my case in some way since she responded to a whole lot of other stuff while she was here but didn't mention it.

S_S is probably town, yeah.

FYI I'm probably going to be effectively V/LA for... some amount of time. I'm getting my second covid shot later today (which is very good) but everyone claims side effects are bad. So we'll see.

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I feel better about Dunn than I did at the start of the day since he’s generally been talking sense but I certainly don’t especially townread him over most players in this game.

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Feeling fine so far.

I would like to know S_S's townpings from Scipio d1.

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this game got pretty boring after that one day when it was interesting.

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Yes. People not voting need to vote me or mini. Or at least someone.

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I'm VT.

It might be worth it to just not kill Mini at all until there's another PR claim tbh. I don't really buy auto-eliminating her tomorrow with a follower claim; it's like the strongest role in the game at this point and we can lim her later.

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My will in this game dwindled when no one posted anything for like half a week. I just hope it comes back somehow for other people when I'm gone I guess...

After thinking more Mini's claim is probably from scum like 90% of the time. If I'm gone today I'm basically indifferent as to when she dies.

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I choose to blame the brief site crash yesterday for me not posting yesterday.

While I don't disagree with a Dunn elim in principle the game feels a lot more losable than it did yesterday with mini flipping PR, us possibly having no other PR and needing to lim both scum.

I don't think A50's soft is scummy; I also don't really think he's scum. The only other townread I feel comfortable with right now is Salsabil. Honestly I was probably going to have Battle Mage paranoia today too though I think I'd have managed to get over it. I think the easiest universe is the one in which 2/3 are scum in Dunn, SS, scipio, and that's my current high-interest pool. I should have motivation to do some digging today or this weekend, I feel a bit more motivated than yesterday (it helped having a night phase... this week has been somewhat challenging).

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got any solid reasoning you'd like to share with the class?

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On a skim of Scipio's ISO he hasn't really done anything overtly scummy IMO, the way he was positioning around the mini/dunn/me thing was generally reasonable enough; maybe the most suspicious thing is him being kind of tepid on not wanting mini for the "i aint scum" thing just bc it kind of reads as waffly in a bad way. But I think it really did look like I was going to be the lim yesterday and him waffling in that particular way doesn't exactly benefit him as scum if he's voting for me and I flip town.

He doesn't have the strong townvibes from last game (like I mentioned) but I don't think that really means he's scummy here.

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Am I remembering right that S_S considers himself really bad at scum?

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So you agree he doesn't seem towny

If we're not voting scipio, who has done things overtly scummy?

I don't know, I don't see anything overtly scummy.

I'll ask you the same question; has scipio done things overtly scummy? Because if not I have no idea why you're asking this question.

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Because you certainly haven't given us any reason to believe that you're town.

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idk. a beam of divine inspiration.

VOTE: Dunnstral

e-1

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joyous joy of joys.

STD is a little bit of a weird kill.

Kind of still want to call Salsabil town and re-examine everything else. Should re-examine her too but I think she's the least likely to change followed maybe by Pooky but like, I don't actually know what his scum meta looks like. And it feels like he's been shrouded in a cloak of memes that's made it hard to really consider his alignment critically for most of the game (though I have thought he's looked town, but things warrant re-examining now).

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A50, why not target me, the claimed VT, who has a ton of suspicion on him?

(also; we are no-limming and a50 is targeting me here, yes?)

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also a50.

if you're gonna do reaction testing BS why did you say that your actual guilty was on salsabil... before she claimed VT? Couldn't she have been a town PR?

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why would you assume that neapolitan works differently in an open game than it does in normals?

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Great.

I and others are unconvinced you’re town.

You dying tonight accomplishes something.

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gosh i wish we could just policy a50.

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I still definitely want to no-lim. I don't think there's anyone whose death doesn't give us at least something additional to work with. And there's always the off chance of scum shooting their traitor by mistake.

I really don't see salsabil scum atm.

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^^This is but another scum indicative post by implo. He also knows me well enough to think I'd do what I did as Scum. Like, only Scipio and Salsabil here are not familiar with my play. Everyone else has played several times with me before (and some most recently) and implo even modded me a good number of times (S_S did too, but I think I played more implo-modded games)

my post is an indication of annoyance toward what you did. nothing more.

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Town indicative, possibly. I don't feel solid on it, you could absolutely do something like this as scum. You do know what "policy" means, right? It means it's behavior that should be discouraged that isn't necessarily alignment-indicative.

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At this moment if I had to name a scumteam it'd be scipio + something_smart. But I certainly don't feel especially good about either of those. And I don't really want to get into too many details about reads if we're no-limming.

I do kind of think A50 is town on the whole; it's just that I'm going to be really annoyed at myself if I believe the reasons that I see for that and they're wrong. I certainly think his play here makes a hell of a lot more sense as traitor than as main scum; doing some kind of wild fakeclaim gambit bullshit is a much more traitor thing to do than main scum. Salsabil I feel has emanated town in general, not just from the weird dumbtell stuff. I think if I'm wrong somewhere it's most likely pooky replacing one of the two.

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This game sure is brimming with life.

Does anyone actually have anything in particular they want to accomplish before a no-elim?

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Seems like a pretty bad question to answer if we no-lim. Not that I have a particularly solid answer.

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Alas.

VOTE: No elimination

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HA.

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That's literally the dumbest thing about Stack the Deck. This setup was supposed to be a fixed version of Stack the Deck :X

S_S spewed a townie from this post too. (again: if you posted this as scum you deserve to win here and I have no qualms with it)

Clarify this point?

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i'm honestly a bit shocked that i'm the only person who doesn't have salsabil first. I still am inclined toward scipio or S_S, leaning atm towards S_S. I don't put much stock in the fixing stack the deck thing (if he's scum he likely saw the setup and has been wanting to lodge that complaint since the beginning; indeed he's one person I'm quite sure as scum who would likely pick no PRs)

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The scum kill on Pooky has some interesting implications. It implies that scum thought they weren't the traitor; this means either some combination of they had a genuine townread on Pooky, and Pooky didn't look like the traitor to them. In this situation I feel like going for the safest possible not-the-traitor kill would be a pretty reasonable position, and I also think Pooky is the kind of player who would happily bus as a traitor (especially given 1, we already saw this, and 2, the traitor apparently could inherit the kill). Moreover in this situation with 1 scum + traitor alive going into night compounding with probably fear that they'll shoot the traitor, scum is pretty unlikely to kill someone that's adamantly calling them town.

Oh also I just realized that assuming A50 is town, we can now read Pooky's reaction to the fake neap guilty as possibly a genuine reaction to thinking he'd been guiltied. There's not a ton there from that reading that I see but it is amusing. The main thing is just that Pooky had pretty adamantly been calling Salsabil town near the end of the day. It seems a little wild for scum-Salsabil to shoot Pooky here. Maybe she was convinced I was the traitor or something but even then if Pooky's gonna support her then idk.

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at the moment? no

are you being pushed by scum?

is arte scum?

are you scum?

answer at least one of the above.

Maybe to all three.

so why are you not voting Arte?

wait wtf you answered maybe to "are you scum?"

y'all,

is this pooky softing traitor to the S_S and arte scumteam, or..............

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asking "is arte scum" and "are you scum" to the two of you, in the same post

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Before voting you Pooky was voting Artemiana, and after voting you they went back to Artemiana a page or two later.

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VOTE: Something_Smart

Still feel like it's scipio over salsabil but I do think it's S_S over scipio right now.

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blurp.

idk i'm kind of low on motivation and high on hoping that the thing i found is real

this game is a fair bit cursed.

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what a votecount.

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like, truly iconic.

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Actually kind of serious question to the audience (or Implo themself): Is implo that type of player? As in, are you likely to take control and get your own reads pushed through if it's beneficial to you, or are you more likely to make observations and really only take control when you're quite certain (so more passive). I ask because it feels like when a mafia elim based on like relatively nothing early goes through, a strong mafia voice could have prevented it if they like, but if the other mafia is passive, they cant really do much at all

As scum I mostly just try to get by and do whatever I can that looks town. I am quite sure that I would not have tried to come to Artemiana's defense in this game as scum. I feel like scum probably felt like she was dead weight with how she reacted to the v/la pressure. That said, I also wouldn't describe what I did as coming to her defense and it might be something I'd have done as scum. Tbh it's hard to be sure bc she was the only other non-traitor scum in the game and I'm not sure if I would have tried to join the crusade or whatever.

also jesus you have so much more motivation than anyone else alive right now lol

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The horse says "nay".

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wooooooo

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That should hopefully explain why I lost my motivation near the end. (Aside from me being confident implosion was the traitor because he softed to me and then defended Artemiana.)

alas, i am simply foolish!

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was the thing that i found an actual soft? or just you being very yolo?