Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]
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Look at me and my heroic reads from game 1 wooooooooooooooooo.
Also it turns out Klick is my true love. Who knew? But...you'll always be a mason with me in my game 1 heart, Bambi-
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What is this though????????????In post 33, Bambi Jay wrote:I'm gonna laugh if both the former VTs Klick and Tbone are the last lover pair and Llama got single again. Regardless of which of these 3 are paired, one of the singles stayed Single. That's sad.-
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Google the words 'achievement goal theory'. That's what we talked about.In post 39, Vex Vience wrote:also once again, lovers please surmize your entire pt for us-
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Feels like you're trying to ride your town cred from last game then actually be town this game tbh.-
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Nah fam I had the three of you absolutely NAILED.In post 210, Anastasia wrote:
I think I would've kept Kerset safe come what may.In post 198, Bingle wrote:
Yes. There's a decent chance it would have won Llama the game last game, despite the necessity of the reroll.In post 196, Vex Vience wrote:do you think i would bus a partner in this setup?-
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Also the lovers are effectively masons, so why did I read a full page arguing this???-
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Kerset, honest answer time please. Why did you think you could push my miselim out of the whole playerlist last game?-
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I believe you.-
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Wait wait wait I got this one.In post 266, Kerset wrote:klick, towncase T-bone for me
Cause I'm confirmed town to Klick.
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I agree with nearly everything in this post....except that I will not avoid thinking that Bingle/Kerset is the scum pair, because at this point, they are the ones I believe are scum. I'm actually also leaning VV as the goon, but I don't feel as strongly atm.In post 220, Anastasia wrote:
I read players by motivation, tone, and substance.In post 212, Bingle wrote:@Ana, what do you make of the VV/me back and forth?
I don't understand your motivation to argue with him on this point.
Something I see often is scum trying to argue to berightinstead of argue about alignment.
Because they don't have to fake being right, it's something they really believe inside.
So I tend to scum-read people who argue about things that are pointless.
The way you did it with VV, I'm not sure what either of you are trying to accomplish if you're town in that argument.
So it's possible that this is some kind of scum-theatre where you argue with him about something meaningless but with enough intensity that later we think you can't be aligned when one of you and him flips.
I'll see at the end if this intuition is right or not.
I will avoid thinking you could be scum for now because it would be painful for me to think my Kerset could be scum.-
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Please name and shame the 'most of people' who are avoiding reads.-
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The mason thing is so dumb considering nearly everyone is backing Bingle in that convo LOLIn post 303, RationalMadman wrote:Kerset and Bingle because I really think Bingle slipped saying Mason Thread and in general is being far more AtE than last game.
This ignores everything scummy about Klick and Tbone as well as that Kerset is towntelling in later posts.-
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I'm quoting this from Bingle because I agree with Bingle that this is literally the dumbest thing to base a read off of.In post 307, Bingle wrote:You're scumreading me for not having talked reads in the pt. You're townreading TBone for not having talked reads in the pt but for having shut down an offtopic conversation because clearly he wanted to talk about game relevant topics in the limited time he had, despite Klick's summation showing literally 0 desire on his part to, y'know, talk about reads in the PT.
Let me clear the air, I shut down an off topic conversation cause I didn't feel like putting in the effort for another response, not because I wanted to talk game stuff. There was no game stuff to talk beyond acknowledging how right I was in game 1 (which I did).
The idea that the lovers would talk about reads pre-game is dumb because there is literally nothing to base reads on since the game hasn't started.-
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So if you're scumreading Bingle and townreading me based on that nonsense.... maybe you're giving a fake read, bruh.-
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In post 325, LlamaFluff wrote:Scum - Vex, Bambi-
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Because........In post 344, RationalMadman wrote:
Everyone backing him has no impact on something being a slip or not. If everyone thinks a flower is a bicycle and my victory chance is increased by pointing out that it's actually a flower, I will do so. If everyone still ignores what I point out and allows the 'tell' or 'slip' to become negated, I will accept that too.In post 338, T-Bone wrote:
The mason thing is so dumb considering nearly everyone is backing Bingle in that convo LOLIn post 303, RationalMadman wrote:Kerset and Bingle because I really think Bingle slipped saying Mason Thread and in general is being far more AtE than last game.
This ignores everything scummy about Klick and Tbone as well as that Kerset is towntelling in later posts.
I even accept that the error could be made as either alignment, however I don't like how Bingle denies it was a mistake nor has Bingle replied to me explaining why he never ever called it a mason thread before in this or last game until that point.
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The dishonesty towards Bingle is actively making him look town, and to this point, I thought his pair was the scum pair.-
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At a certain point though I feel it stops being a communication barrier and starts to feel intentional.-
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I had doubts but thanks for reassuring me with this post that I'm right.In post 476, Kerset wrote:
You know it is really hard to solve lovers when Ana, T-Bone and Klick are pretty much inactive.In post 466, RationalMadman wrote:I would like to remind everyone that we must vote someone or interrogate.
I think today is Bambi vs Llama but now some are saying Vex. Then, in lovers, I have Bingle as scum but his partner as Town. Klick and Tbone nulltell all game.
Very difficult but Bambi is my choice still, I don't follow the logic of her reads.-
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Leaning VV as I said the last time I posted about my reads.In post 488, LlamaFluff wrote:
Who is scum in VT claims?In post 484, T-Bone wrote:
I had doubts but thanks for reassuring me with this post that I'm right.In post 476, Kerset wrote:
You know it is really hard to solve lovers when Ana, T-Bone and Klick are pretty much inactive.In post 466, RationalMadman wrote:I would like to remind everyone that we must vote someone or interrogate.
I think today is Bambi vs Llama but now some are saying Vex. Then, in lovers, I have Bingle as scum but his partner as Town. Klick and Tbone nulltell all game.
Very difficult but Bambi is my choice still, I don't follow the logic of her reads.-
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I'd rather do the lovers first. Two main reasons. 1) It's 50-50 from my perspective. 2) The benefit to getting it right on Day 1 is greater than getting the VT right on Day 1, in terms of confirmed towns floating around (which synergizes with point 1)
Also I feel stronger about the lover's pair at this point. My ghost vote is on Bingle/Kerset.-
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It's only wrong if you're a VT or scum at this point.In post 504, Bingle wrote:
This, btw, is the exact argument RM had before game 1.In post 499, T-Bone wrote:I'd rather do the lovers first. Two main reasons. 1) It's 50-50 from my perspective. 2) The benefit to getting it right on Day 1 is greater than getting the VT right on Day 1, in terms of confirmed towns floating around (which synergizes with point 1)
It's wrong (still) but I can understand the argument.
Functionally, we have two sets of three players. one of those sets is hydrae. If the hydrae are better at reading the game they're more valuable, but that assumes the hydrae are better at reading the game. From each individual player's POV, solving in your own pool is easier, but that just means that half of the functionally 4 townies will have an easier time in either pool. It's not actually a mechanical advantage to eliminate in either pool and people should 100% just be going after their strongest scumread for the first lim. (or alternatively, their strongest scumread in a pool where they can locktown someone.)
Kerset, are we agreed that Llama is town, or am I personality biasing here?-
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OOC: This Makes You A Bad Player (tm)In post 528, RationalMadman wrote:
This was not a typo even. Even if you townread scum, you must be ready for your read to be wrong and still stand by it if it's a strong read. You need to force yourself to make tough calls in this game or you will never learn from your mistakes and grow as a cutthroat player.In post 526, RationalMadman wrote:rather than eliminate scum,
You cannot stand by a "strong read" on a town flipped player LOL. That it the hallmark of bad play LOL-
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What I mean by that, as upon reading back that sounds incredibly vague and hostile.In post 531, T-Bone wrote:
It's only wrong if you're a VT or scum at this point.In post 504, Bingle wrote:
This, btw, is the exact argument RM had before game 1.In post 499, T-Bone wrote:I'd rather do the lovers first. Two main reasons. 1) It's 50-50 from my perspective. 2) The benefit to getting it right on Day 1 is greater than getting the VT right on Day 1, in terms of confirmed towns floating around (which synergizes with point 1)
It's wrong (still) but I can understand the argument.
Functionally, we have two sets of three players. one of those sets is hydrae. If the hydrae are better at reading the game they're more valuable, but that assumes the hydrae are better at reading the game. From each individual player's POV, solving in your own pool is easier, but that just means that half of the functionally 4 townies will have an easier time in either pool. It's not actually a mechanical advantage to eliminate in either pool and people should 100% just be going after their strongest scumread for the first lim. (or alternatively, their strongest scumread in a pool where they can locktown someone.)
Kerset, are we agreed that Llama is town, or am I personality biasing here?
Is that I, me, T-Bone, have a town Role PM. Therefore, I, me, T-Bone, have two shots at scum among the remaining lovers. I, me, T-Bone, am guaranteed to eliminate scum by sorting and ultimately targeting the lovers. That's where I'm at. Functionally, that's not the best thing for the VTs (because they have a similar 50-50 perspective), and it's not the best thing for the scum lover pair.-
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It looks like a pre-made excuse for when a scumread flips town to me, but okay if that's not what you meant, sure.-
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He already did!In post 536, Bambi Jay wrote:Careful Tbone he'll put you as my partner if you keep that up.-
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I can vote for you if that would make you feel better?? I'm not in a rush personally, I'm trying to solve some alignments.In post 540, Kerset wrote:T-Bone, is it your meta to talk just about mech staff? No votes, no interrogations.-
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You say 'my bad' and reevaluate why your read was wrong, and thus reevaluate the other reads you have.In post 537, RationalMadman wrote:If you can't stand by a read that's wrong, just because it flioped the way you didn't expect, you aren't forcing yoyrself to get rewarded or punished and won't be able to improve the reasoning behind your reads.
Idk what excuse you mean. If you vote someone and they flip Town, you say what? What are you even trying to say?-
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I'm not afraid of you.-
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Llama should be afraid of me though. O.O-
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And by coincidence from a scum lover PoV focusing on the VTs first is preferable. Your repeated "I only want to look at the VT pool" feels like an attempt to not put yourself in the spot where you need to survive two 1v1s with RM/Ana and then Klick/me, respectively.
See? I can vaguely shade a tactic to imply what I want too!
It's as if...people can approach the games from their own points of view. I've been very clear as to why I think what I think. I've been very clear in speaking for myself and not for the playerlist in regards to where I think the scum is, and what I want to do to achieve scum eliminations.
By contrast, I think you've been trying to manipulate the playerlist by purporting to speak for the town by trying to draw this false conclusion between what I've said on behalf of myself. I think Kerset is trying to distract from my (correct) reads by trying to use me not posting on Saturday as a way to shade me as a lurker, and by using my most recent convo with RM to distract you all from remembering that I think this is the scum pair.
Bingle is trying to say 'T-Bone only wants to look at X because he's scum' while trying to speak for the entire playerlist about 'eliminating the scummiest player'.
Well DUH. It's as-if....and here's the kicker...I think Kerset is the scummiest player in the game (and Bingle has no choice but to come to his rescue).
You pair this with Kerset and this is a concentrated effort between the two to manipulate the game, and get the pair calling them scum out. Which, you know, they have to at this point. But I think it's transparent and Kerset's #540 and Bingle's #555 are doing this! Kerset in #540 tries to tell everyone 'T-Bone isn't doing anything' and Bingle comes in with #555 'actually T-Bone is trying to protect his scum partner in the VT pool and also doing nothing'.
Honestly, I think this pair's lim solves the lovers. I've been sitting on doubts for a bit, because while I thought Kerset was transparently scum, I thought RM and VV were being really unfair to Bingle in a way that made those two appear scummier. I think #555 Bingle outed themself though as not wanting to risk us solving the Lovers, because he rightly recognizes that their pair is the one most scumread and solving the lovers is bad for them.-
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You should be afraid of me to and not worry about threats to LlamaFluff or else O.OIn post 558, Bingle wrote:
@TBone, I’d like to report a player in my game threatening LlamaFluff.In post 547, T-Bone wrote:Llama should be afraid of me though. O.O-
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Also the person among the VTs I think is scum is the leading wagon so let's not pretend that A: I haven't thought about the VTs at all, B: that I haven't repeatedly voiced this read and C: that there's anything else I need to do there. What do you want me to do, argue with VV over my read of them?-
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Sure. I will take all your reports and give them the longing consideration they deserve.In post 564, Bingle wrote:
@TBone, I’d like to report a player in my game trying to prevent me from reporting them for threatening LF. CheckmateIn post 560, T-Bone wrote:
You should be afraid of me to and not worry about threats to LlamaFluff or else O.OIn post 558, Bingle wrote:
@TBone, I’d like to report a player in my game threatening LlamaFluff.In post 547, T-Bone wrote:Llama should be afraid of me though. O.O-
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You grasp at silly things like activity and post count (like last game) because you don't have anything real because I am probably the most townie looking player in this game right now, I don't need 60 posts of nothing for that to be true.In post 567, Kerset wrote:
How does prodding your for activity 'distract' people? If you don't post and vocal your options then they may be forgotten but the fact that i ask you to be active doesn't stop you in any way.In post 559, T-Bone wrote:I think Kerset is trying to distract from my (correct) reads by trying to use me not posting on Saturday as a way to shade me as a lurker, and by using my most recent convo with RM to distract you all from remembering that I think this is the scum pair.
Both you and Klick are at the bottom of post count. You are objectively the least interactive players. Today you added 13 posts, so at the time of my actions your gap was even higher.
Instead of crafting conspiracy theories just look at the data.
May I remind people that's all Kerset had in round 1, and they were scum. Now maybe it's just the flawed way Kerset plays regardless of alignment, that I couldn't speak to. I only have this game as the data point. In my experience people who draw scum tend to lean on NAI things like activity because it's hard to fake reads. I see it, again in my personal experience, come from scum way more often than town (usually if it comes from town, it comes from a newer player or a player from a site like ToS).-
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Kerset did the leg work for me as to when I first voiced it. If you're looking for a wall post, keep looking, I try not to post like that unless I feel really strongly. I don't, and I've admitted it several times, just like I have voiced this read several times. My issue that I was highlighting in post 563 was the insinuation that I either didn't have any reads on the VTs, or hiding them. Something demonstrably false just by looking at literally every post I am asked to say what I think of the VTs.In post 563, Bingle wrote:
Could you link examples for B and explain why you have the read you have?In post 561, T-Bone wrote:Also the person among the VTs I think is scum is the leading wagon so let's not pretend that A: I haven't thought about the VTs at all, B: that I haven't repeatedly voiced this read and C: that there's anything else I need to do there. What do you want me to do, argue with VV over my read of them?
For the read itself, it's gut. Vex doesn't feel the same way they did last game. Whereas I absolutely townread Bambi, and Llama also doesn't feel the same to me as last game. If all my reads are correct, then Vex is the solve based on that. Do I know for sure? No, but that's where I'm at.-
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Nah bruh my pagetop now.In post 576, yessiree wrote:VC-
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I townread Bambi so I don't think there's enough votes left to eliminate her unless you can convince one of the VTs to go with you and Kerset/Bingle...and the problem is if this is a world in which you are town, they will not go along with you to make the correct choice if Bambi happens to be the correct choice.In post 573, RationalMadman wrote:I'll say this now and pick up later,
If the vote on Bambi doesn't gain momentum, I am open to voting either pair and I do mean either. So, if you are all planning to vote Vex especially, I am going to resist it.
Vex has been Towntelling by activity and tendency to tunnel. However, if Vex's refusal to vote Bambi is what results in their downfall, then frankly I don't care.
I am very sure Bambi is the Goon, the lover pair I slightly suspect is Klick and Tbone but I genuinely can't tell. Bingle was asking much better questions and arguing farore ferocious last game as a Town Lover. This game he's still trying I guess but he seems to generically be thrpwong shade here and there (such as on Tbone) while randomly townreading someone like Bambi for something I don't understand how it's Towny. O actually am confused what Bingle explained he townreads Bambi for, is it the Klick vote? I read his explanation and didn't quite understand.
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It is absolutely me though. I exude town from my very core.In post 578, RationalMadman wrote:
No you are absolutely not.In post 574, T-Bone wrote:I am probably the most townie looking player in this game right now-
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That seems like a you problem, not a me problem. You're not going to convince me that I'm scum.-
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Because I am using this example to demonstrate my read on you. Whether I am right or wrong, I have something that you did last game as scum and you're doing it again!
So first off, I'm not trying to convince you of your alignment, I'm trying to convince everyone else!
And what should town!tbone think when you, as scum, did something last game, and cruciallyare doing the same thing again?What should I think from your perspective, knowing these things?-
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Like if you're gonna blame me for your tactics and your reads then I cannot help you. You're the one doing the scummy thing, it's not my fault you're doing it.-
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And when I asked you, why you tried to use this tactic on me yesterday to help me understand why you are using the same tactic today. Bingle empty quoted the question with a snarky smiley, and you gave a snarky answer.
So I ask you again. What am I suppose to do, if you are using the same tactic you used as scum in game 1, and cannot explain why you are still doing it in game 2?-
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Because I tried to solve this and what it means for your alignment DAYS AGO and you and your partner both quoted the question and Bingle gave me snark, and you gave me a non-answer that doesn't explain your motive at all.
So...you're failing at 'ability to make others recognize you as town' based on that alone.
Vote: Kerset
The solve, in real time, as Kerset STILL cannot explain why they are using the same scum tactic two games in a row.-
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Why can't you answer any of my questions?In post 588, Kerset wrote:
You can OMGUS at me if it makes you feel better but i am glad to finally see you phasing your thoughts.In post 583, T-Bone wrote:And what should town!tbone think when you, as scum, did something last game, and crucially are doing the same thing again? What should I think from your perspective, knowing these things?-
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Please note everybody else.... that Kerset asks a lot of questions, and I answer them. I ask Kerset questions, and they can't answer a single one.-
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At this point, I'd like Llama and Bambi to join Klick and I on this vote.
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It wasn't your question to answer. I was just pointing out what you did when I asked Kerset why he chose me for his fake read in Game 1 when he used my activity as a basis for the read.In post 596, Bingle wrote:
As best I can tell the only snark I have recently is a joke post about you threatening llama. What have I failed to answer?In post 587, T-Bone wrote:Bingle empty quoted the question with a snarky smiley, and you gave a snarky answer.
Something Kerset is doing this game.
I'll ask you since Kerset refuses. When Kerset is repeating something they did as scum from the previous game, what am I supposed to think?-
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Scumread. While Ana is pretty okay, RM is not. If it weren't for lovers I'd probably rank scum to town as Kerset>RM>Bingle>Ana honestly.In post 602, LlamaFluff wrote:
Will look into it after work. Is this more of a scumread or a strong townread on RM/Ana?In post 593, T-Bone wrote:At this point, I'd like Llama and Bambi to join Klick and I on this vote.
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I thought it was weird for the same reason you think so, and that's why I pointed it out....but decided ultimately, it was a coincidence and not worth persuing.In post 598, Bingle wrote:Bambi made a joke about it being funny if Klick and TBone were the last lover pair, before Klick and TBone outed as lovers. I thought ScumBambi would 100% know that they were for some reason, which was wrong in hindsight. (Bambi would only know Klick and Tbone were the last lover pair in advance with an exact Klick/Tbone/Bambi team) and thought it unlikely that Bambi would make a joke that risked being taken as TMI as scum when scum would be hyper aware of things like that, so I sought second opinions.
My original vote on Tbone, which is still there right now, was because he called out the Bambi post as weird but didn’t follow through on any questioning, although I didn’t explain that until right now.-
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I understand where you're coming from. A lot of what I felt made you town in game 1 was the actively trying to figure things out, and that was bolstered by the advanced planning you did around the mechanics of the set-up.In post 603, Vex Vience wrote:@tbone - how exactly do i feel different this game? i said my normal start got ruined by the reroll so i’m mostly just playing as korina with a different typing style.
I don't get the same feeling from your posts now. It could be that you're just now more passive because you no longer have a plan to execute. But there's no denying the tone and tenor of your posts from game 1 to game 2 are different significantly. Llama feels different too, and because he was scum last time and now feels different I'm unsure whether he's able to change his tenor reliably or if its because he honestly has a different alignment now. And I read Bambi as town.
That doesn't mean I can't be convinced Llama still rolled scum, or that I'm completely wrong on Bambi. In dependent of lovers and going back to my list from above I'd put you equal with Bingle, honestly (which would make you not a scumread without the mechanics of the set-up). Hence why despite you leading the vote for most of the day, I didn't join in. If I joined in, that probably means Klick joins in because he knows I'm town-aligned, meaning I could have put you at L-1 if you were my strongest scumread. (please note I'm not trying to claim agency over Klick, but I think we are pretty lock step in our reads atm).-
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I mean quite simply if you were scum you'd know the exact role distribution of the game by the time Klick, Llama, and I were left to claim. But I decided that it was coincidence and didn't press further.In post 608, Bambi Jay wrote:???
I was confused when you brought that up. At that point the other 2 lover pairs brought up their pairings already, I noticed that the last two lover pairs last game swapped partners while me and Vex both became single. I thought it would've been funnier if the last town singles became the new couple while this game. I like tk picture me and Vex breaking up respectfully while Ana and Kerset was separated by the mod so their love couldn't prosper.
It also brings up the prospect that Llama is forever alone so that's nice.-
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Okay? Voice your entire conclusion please.In post 614, RationalMadman wrote:
You just told me you townread Bambi a few posts ago.In post 609, T-Bone wrote:I don't get the same feeling from your posts now. It could be that you're just now more passive because you no longer have a plan to execute. But there's no denying the tone and tenor of your posts from game 1 to game 2 are different significantly.-
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Do you stand by this observation?In post 616, RationalMadman wrote:Tbone has even begun to say odd things (like not @'ing Vex when asking vanilla claims to join him voting Kerset as well as saying he Townreads Bambi only to now say her vibe is totally different to last game while Llama's is too, which implies he should townread Llama the most out of VTs and scum-lean Bambi).-
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So to be clear, your contention is that in #614 and #616 is that I flipflopped on Bambi, with the quote you pulled from my 609. Yes or no?-
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In #609, the post I qouted was from Vex, responding to Vex, about my read on Vex, and the quote you pulled was about Vex.
So...are you giving a fake read to justify your vote?-
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Oh I see what you're saying. Makes total sense from a not-me perspective.In post 622, Bingle wrote:
Actually untrue in hindsight if you're town, but I had literally the same thought process.In post 610, T-Bone wrote:I mean quite simply if you were scum you'd know the exact role distribution of the game by the time Klick, Llama, and I were left to claim.
If Bambiscum/youtown, Bambi doesn't know which one of you/Klick/Llama is the VT and which is a lover. Bambi had the TMI specifically in the case that the team is you/Klick/Bambi.
But yeah, people (VV and Kers) told me I was tinfoiling the townread, so :shrug:.-
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So I guess to everyone else. From my perspective it looks like RM is trying to work backwards from his vote/read to justify it. I gave RM several chances to fact check his read.In post 624, T-Bone wrote:In #609, the post I qouted was from Vex, responding to Vex, about my read on Vex, and the quote you pulled was about Vex.
So...are you giving a fake read to justify your vote?
Am I wrong for thinking this feels fake? That this feels like scum working backwards from a fakeread and trying to find something to justify it?-
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I appreciate you not doubling down for what its worth, would have just been a huge argument.
As to why I haven't pushed Bambi...its because I do honestly read her as town as she hasn't done anything that has made me question it.
As I just demonstrated with you...I will question things that catch my attention. You have over 100 posts and I have responded to maybe 6 of them? So if your barometer is 'player X isn't questioning player Y' up until the last page you fell in the category of someone I wasn't questioning.