Open 823 - To Tell The Truth | Game Over

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my rat died the other week.

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hi

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I like cheese

cheese.

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I like cheese

cheese.

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I like cheese

cheese.

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I like cheese

cheese.

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I like cheese

cheese.

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I like cheese

cheese.

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oops

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maybe shouldn't spam submit, no wonder it was lagging

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what's up gamers

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What'd I miss?

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itch ant must vest at in last long art top out wont next invest earth. so how is every one just dropping my anchor before game starts

wolf cause I can't read this post

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my rat died the other week.

wtf that's so sad

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Cyrus NM and some other guy are the wolves I forgot one of their names

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imaginality

I town read hockey fan the most and t3 next most, that other person with the colorful profile picture is alright too

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I just ISOd the mod twice ama

imaginality is outed fwiw he's the most scummy

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@t3 I'm esooa I'm part of this hydra and I'm town so I know you're town and I'm gonna actually do something about it so you should just lock town us (hope I'm right)

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tf is that supposed to mean

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oh okay I thought you were saying it sarcastically like "yeah sure you're esooa haha"

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what's up gamers

I'm esooa this was my first post itt

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No I'm not.
Anyways Arc locktown, cyrus is lockscum.
I have a near perfect track record of reading cyrus. Also, town cyrus usually posts longer posts.

What the fuck, how do u lock town Arc, WHY ARE THEY TOWN??

cyrus is scumreading her.

bruh, seems like a lame reason to TR someone

Goats is town based on page 4

we have literally zero posts on page 4 nice lie

But actually though, why's that

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Basically, this is a shared account to teach someone about mafia

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Won't say.

VOTE: T3

This 'I have a read but I won't tell you it yet' seems anti-town. Seems like keeping it unspoken means you can wait to see whether others lean cyrus:town or cyrus:scum so you can then say that's what your read was too.

lol
cyrus is obvscum by meta
he usually townreads his partners for bad reasons early on
so I was waiting for him to out his partners

Not convinced. You could watch and wait without needing to make that earlier "I know what cyrus is but I'm not telling" post.

now i know t3 is scum trying to shade me early knowing im always a easy elimination.

If you "know" T3 is scum why aren't you voting him?

I didn't like your entrance (joining on going mech discussion) as it felt awkward. I didn't like your reasons to scum read t3 (saying he's anti town rather than wolfy, reasons being basically.. confident on Cyruss alignment and holding back his read). The way you play the t3/Cyrus dynamic feels bad (you scum read t3 for being confident on Cyrus, but you only ask Cyrus a wet noodle question when he exhibits the same thing)

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VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

VOTE: goates

T3 what are you doing and why are you like this. I dont understand the pattern of your votes

I know exactly what alignment cyrus is but we don't want to do anything with him yet

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This last sentence makes me think T3 scum cyrus town.
T3, can you explain what you meant by that sentence?

P-edit: so do you think cyrus is town? Or scum?

So what part of what i said was scummy?.

I said earlier that post was mainly trying to discredit's peoples early reads(such as T3 scum, N_M town e.tc)

I agree with this, at best it seemed like a big post to say essentially nothing (except for the idea that eliminating one investigation target confirms the other, which definitely isn't true in most cases).

why'd this line from t3 make you think he's a wolf then

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irt hockey I town read very strongly pretty immediately for trying to solve NM and coming off with a town read, could be wrong but that's why. One of my hydra partners also liked your Arc read (though I'm not sure myself) and your posts have generally been decent.

This is to say lettuce town team

what do you think of Cyrus, imaginality, and t3

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irt in regards to

lettuce let us

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VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

VOTE: goates

T3 what are you doing and why are you like this. I dont understand the pattern of your votes

tbh i just want to sppedlim someone so we can get to the mech stuf.

I think this opening is towny as t3 votes/etc 4 people before it which is a bit more disruptive than wolves typically are

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lol
cyrus is obvscum by meta
he usually townreads his partners for bad reasons early on
so I was waiting for him to out his partners

[bgladiate cyrus[/b] VOTE: cyrus
He's flipping scum.

not quoting because it's a big post but before this t3 says he knows how to read Cyrus very well

I don't think this is ever a post wolf t3 makes about town Cyrus, as claiming to be able to read someone well then misreading them when you know their alignment is simply not something I see a wolf doing here

especially followed up on with this strong of a push

holding back the read to get spew is an extremely towny thought process btw

so anyways this t3/Cyrus stuff never comes from wolf!t3, town!Cyrus

the only way I think t3 could be a wolf atm is with Cyrus

it's possible but I find t3 towny outside of it so this is why t3 is my second strongest town

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outside of this I have arc/zyla as town off tone

that leaves 4 players

Cyrus, imaginality, NM, and the person who hasn't posted except once

I could be wrong on either arc or zyla (my zyla read being stronger) but I liked arcs interactions with Cyrus who I believe is a wolf

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so i think arc and t3 are scum together.

VOTE: arcangel

this vote is weird but Cyrus voting Arc and their response being to omgus doesn't seem partnered

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I'm not so sure about Arc tbh, some of her confusion about the setup seems almost put on to me

this is an extremely towny read and solidifies my read on you

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How do the wolves ever win this game? There's no night kills and we now have a town core of 4 townies

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I just ISOd the mod twice ama

imaginality is outed fwiw he's the most scummy

Your radar is off.

Are you calling me scum based off a hunch (in which case, you're wrong but hey, you do you), or for perceived reasons (in which case, please share)?

this post is really scummy I think

the way imaginality treats me is with no scepticism. I'd expect some considering I just called him a wolf and his top scum read town

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my solve is arc, t3 and goats

humor me with how you believe my posts can be wolfy

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my solve is arc, t3 and goats

humor me with how you believe my posts can be wolfy

they dont have to be. your town reading and defending my top scum read.

and that's all? And you have nothing to say any anything I've posted?

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lmao okay

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that's actually kinda funny maybe you're town and it's the one guy I called wolf last page and NM and the afk guy who just showed up

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you probably should respond at the minimum to my reasons for town reading t3 though

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T3 is scum

so i think arc and t3 are scum together.

VOTE: arcangel

why did you not t3 and instead arc here

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T3 is scum

so i think arc and t3 are scum together.

VOTE: arcangel

why did you not t3 and instead arc here

arc is my top scum read . t3 2nd.

i was scum reading t3 before arc yes but then arc came in chainsawing every ones reads which put her on top .

By saying it's too early?

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Meg town I think.

meh

catching up on everything they did and only having 1 thing to contribute isn't inspiring to me

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where did arc chainsaw everyone

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VOTE: not_mafia

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Using a shared account ain't easy- anyway, what'd I miss?

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e?

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fish

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cheese

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So why exactly did a towny self hammer for no reason?

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It seems like it could be somewhat risky for scum to include scum in the investigation targets as there's a chance (1/3 chance right now but will vary depending on elims) that two guilties get returned and then we'd know at least one of the two is scum.

This post is relevant

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Moderator rolls 1dX, where X is the number of living players. If the result is less than or equal to the number of living Mafia, the remaining player should be declared guilty; otherwise that player should be declared innocent.

The fake check has a 3/8th chance of being wolf, 5/8th of being town, or 37.5% chance of wolf, 62.5% chance of town. One of the checks is true.

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btw Cyrus is at E-1

Cow >> Shoot!

VOTE: Cyrus

GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO
HOCKEY
HAMMER CYRUS
SO THAT NM WAS ACTUALLY THE E1 VOTE

all 3 of these posts are ridiculously awful

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it's almost ridiculous when considering the posts above that both Arc and NM were chosen. I'll think about what it means but atm I'm just confused about it

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Checked back just in time I guess, sorry for the trouble mod, will read up and post in a few min.

VOTE: imaginality

Their interactions with T3 give off a weird vibe to me.

Won't say.

VOTE: T3

This 'I have a read but I won't tell you it yet' seems anti-town. Seems like keeping it unspoken means you can wait to see whether others lean cyrus:town or cyrus:scum so you can then say that's what your read was too.

This feels like a highly speculative post that essentially boils down to "T3 is being scummy if they are in the majority"
It doesn't feel like something a townie would push.

This is bad

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Meg town I think.

Meg, thoughts on cyrus?

Good analysis of imaginality and I don't think they are s/s.

I would like thoughts on these posts, as they partain to T3's alignment, and his partner equity (high or low) with Meg

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Disregarding the wifom of the checks, these things are true:

NM and Arc each have a minimum 50% chance of being town, as one of the checks is true

NM and Arc are not W/W

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VOTE: Meg

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I'm rescinding my T3 town read

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Eh, I'll think about it

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I haven't played with Not_Mafia before, is quick-hammering something he does every day or just D1?

Why do you ask?

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Imaginality's posts are pretty towny this day phase so far

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Do you want to vote Meg?

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True I don't like that

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NM isn't mafia if you're town, that's not how it works

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That's literally not possible T3

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-Eats cheese- hi

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Meg should prolly be exed

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actually let me reread zyla

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Yeah I still believe they're town

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Megs day 1 was really really really bad, like not just inactivity but the only read they gave was repitition of something I had said for the most part, basically it doesn't feel original at all, and that singular thing was all they got from the entire day 1 thread? Nah bruh

past that, their world view of { Zyla, Arcangel} being the bottom of their reads is discomforting, and when I look at how off putting these wolf reads are to me my only thought is "Meg can't find the wolves because they are one"

like I'm just looking at this list from town!megs PoV and I'm not seeing three wolves, I don't know where they are

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Meg is a wolf

which makes imaginality likely a wolf

will consider the third

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hockey fan isn't with meg

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imaginality, meg, NM

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I don't care about finding scum, I just want to know why Cyrus crumbed VT

Hey Not_Mafia, I've never played with you. When can we expect you to start doing something useful? Zyla says you're a good scumhunter - who are your scum reads at this point and why?

distancing

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Meg is actually so mafia, can we just hammer?

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wow this game is so easy everything I read confirmation biases me more

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I just ISOd the mod twice ama

imaginality is outed fwiw he's the most scummy

Your radar is off.

Are you calling me scum based off a hunch (in which case, you're wrong but hey, you do you), or for perceived reasons (in which case, please share)?

Won't say.

VOTE: T3

This 'I have a read but I won't tell you it yet' seems anti-town. Seems like keeping it unspoken means you can wait to see whether others lean cyrus:town or cyrus:scum so you can then say that's what your read was too.

This feels like a highly speculative post that essentially boils down to "T3 is being scummy if they are in the majority"
It doesn't feel like something a townie would push.

For me if I think "cyrus is scum and will make it obvious who his scumbuddies are if we watch and wait" I'd watch and wait, not say 'ooh I know cyrus's alignment but I'm not telling'. Seems like it offers no value to town to say that at that point but does offer some fence-sitting value to scum.

Look at the differences tonally and I'm approach in these responses to being wolf read

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I just ISOd the mod twice ama

imaginality is outed fwiw he's the most scummy

Your radar is off.

Are you calling me scum based off a hunch (in which case, you're wrong but hey, you do you), or for perceived reasons (in which case, please share)?

this post is really scummy I think

the way imaginality treats me is with no scepticism. I'd expect some considering I just called him a wolf and his top scum read town

I'm sceptical about your read on me!

I don't have strong reads at this point, it's not like I think T3 is lockscum. His recent posts don't bother me so much. If I wasn't voting him I'd be voting ArcAngel most likely, also for somewhat weak reasons (the early chainsawing post and a sense she's been happy to go under the radar somewhat since then). Or mega for reasons below.

Sure, you might be scum but I see you as more likely town drawing wrong conclusions. I don't see you disagreeing on reads at this stage as scummy in and of itself. You seem to be trying to figure stuff out and make stuff happen compared to fake reasoning and gliding.

I'm more suspicious of Mega for only turning up and voting me after seeing others attacking me. Seems like he's jumping on me for convenience seeing me as a safe target to scum read.

Here's what Mega said about me:

VOTE: imaginality

Their interactions with T3 give off a weird vibe to me.

Hunch, no analysis.

Won't say.

VOTE: T3

This 'I have a read but I won't tell you it yet' seems anti-town. Seems like keeping it unspoken means you can wait to see whether others lean cyrus:town or cyrus:scum so you can then say that's what your read was too.

This feels like a highly speculative post that

essentially boils down to "T3 is being scummy if they are in the majority"

It doesn't feel like something a townie would push.

Bolded is a complete misrepresentation of my point.

... And that's all.
So...

Meg town I think.

Wait, I just saw this, can you elaborate k ty

Good analysis of imaginality and I don't think they are s/s.

Where is this 'good analysis' you speak of? Choosing such a flimsy reason to call T3 town makes me wonder if you're trying to shift attention away from him. Are you buddies?

meh read on Meg, directing negative attention from Meg towards others in the form of criticizing the town reads etc

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I think I still prefer a T3 vote. Didn't like the way the pressure shifted away from T3 to cyrus yesterday, so I feel like if T3 is scum there's scum on the cyrus wagon (aside from T3 and cyrus, that was Zyla, ArcAngel and Not_Mafia).

With Meg I could go along with a wagon but I'd rather see more from him first. I'm wary I'm overreacting to the bad case he made on me. I'll have time to reread this evening - I want to look at others too.

For example, I didn't like this from HockeyFan:

goats
@Megazumarill
@imaginality
@HockeyFan

Im not gonna really do this even

if

you're town because you didnt look town at all. I probs look more into zyla, but I think the other people who voted you could be town, also cryus why did u self hammer lol

HockeyFan, why did you say you'd look into Zyla - what makes Zyla less likely to be town than the others on the cyrus wagon?

On my re-read I found Zyla and find her posts about cyrus/T3 interesting. Especially cyrus. I'd previously had a vague town-lean on her but when I did a deeper read this is what I noticed:

Spoiler: Zyla's vote on cyrus

VOTE: Cyrus.
Anyone can read that, and there's only vanilla roles any way, there's no point in it even if it were some master code

A weak reason to vote cyrus. That's absolutely fair enough, since it was early on D1. What's of note is that her vote never moves after this. So if Zyla's town, either she found stronger reasons to keep her vote on cyrus (if so, what?) or she never had any better reason to vote anyone else?

Spoiler: asking why Hockey thought cyrus could be town

VOTE: arcangel

Wait wtf cyrus might be town?

What about this vote makes him towny?

Hockey answered Zyla, saying it was because cyrus scumread ArcAngel. Zyla said:

Oh yeah. I don't think I've ever actually managed to hit scum first time so I forgot it was possible xD

Can't quite pin down why but something about this post gives me a gut feel that Zyla knows ArcAngel's alignment one way or another.

Spoiler: meta posts

N_M, why are u doing this to me smfh, pls dont claim scum when I tr u

It's Not_Mafia, this is just how they play.
Honestly, it's pretty frustrating

In response to NM asking why cyrus crumbed VT:

It's Cyrus

If Zyla was voting cyrus for the crumbing (ie basically for his play style), why cyrus and not NM whose playstyle she describes as 'pretty frustrating'? This makes me doubt the genuineness of the continued cyrus vote.

Spoiler: on cyrus's comments about ArcAngel

discrediting everyone here aka chainsawing.and whiteknighting.

I don't know what chainsawing is, but WKing is defending people, and "too early to call them scum" is way to weak a defense to call it that.
Angel's post was scummy to me, but that's because she was dismissing Hockey and your (Cyrus) reads rather than trying to

discuss

them, not because she was 'whiteknighting'

Zyla's calling Angel scummy but criticising cyrus for how he made the same point. This leads to a discussion of semantics:

so you think arc is scum too?

I find her post to be suspicious, yes
But atm I'm interested in what your definitions of those terms are

I find it suspicious that Zyla was focusing on the semantics rather than either: looking for substantive reasons to either confirm her read on cyrus or clear him, or looking at other players to see if she could find a stronger scumread.

When cyrus answered Zyla in post 202, Zyla didn't respond to him. Was this desire for clarification just an excuse to continue to keep her vote on him?

Spoiler: T3 worried about getting eliminated

Can we please take me off NM-1.
I'm slightly paranoid

You've got 44 hours, I'd suggest giving us a reason to vote someone else, not focusing on yourself.

Also, if anyone's confused, NM likes to quickhammer, so E1 is effectively a hammer in a game he's in

Feels like Zyla either saw T3 as scummy or didn't care whether he was eliminated or not. If the latter, that's suspicious (especially if T3 turns out to be town). If the former, why didn't she voice any suspicions of him earlier?

An alternate take on the "I'd suggest giving us a reason to vote someone else" is scum coaching, which perhaps is boosted by the fact she says that even though her vote isn't on him. This might be a stretch but at the very least I don't think a Zyla scum flip would make T3 any more likely to be town.

When T3 does offer an alternative:

cyrus, vote him by meta.

Not really sure what meta you're meaning tbh

Again this sort of feels to me like Zyla not really caring about which one of T3 or cyrus gets eliminated. Considering her vote was on cyrus at the time this is a pretty lukewarm response to T3.

Spoiler: In response for cyrus asking Zyla to unvote him

I'm good where I am for now, you're one of my top suspects so I don't mind if you get eliminated

Zyla, what was it that made cyrus "one of your top suspects"? Aside from cyrus and ArcAngel, did you have other "top suspects" at that time? Was T3 one of your top suspects at the time of post 200?

Do you have any town reads?

Vote: Zyla

I think some of these points need answering.

first post is a continuation of moving off Meg for meh reasons, and a decently strong push on zyla likely comes from wolf imaginality if a wolf partner has chances of dying

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Arc is a possible partner but I'm skeptical that wolf arc is included with town NM in the checks, additionally while being paired with imaginality and Meg. Will talk about NM later but

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VOTE: imaginality

Their interactions with T3 give off a weird vibe to me.

Won't say.

VOTE: T3

This 'I have a read but I won't tell you it yet' seems anti-town. Seems like keeping it unspoken means you can wait to see whether others lean cyrus:town or cyrus:scum so you can then say that's what your read was too.

This feels like a highly speculative post that essentially boils down to "T3 is being scummy if they are in the majority"
It doesn't feel like something a townie would push.

This is basically the most "wolf with TMI doesn't like their wolf partners posts" thing ever

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Not really feeling involved with the discussion so here's where I'm at with the game so far.
Townreads
{ goats, Hockey, Imaginality} - Imaginality gave off some weird vibes D1 with T3, but they seem to be scumhunting since, goats and Hockey have pretty reasonable with their arguements the whole game through, exception being Hockey and NM, but thats NAI at worst.
Null:
{T3, NM} T3 plays too chaotically for me to go through the headache of me figuring them out. After trying I'd put them as a townlean since they seem to be contributing positively. N_M has basically trolled the entire game but I figure that's par for the course and NAI.

{ Zyla, Arcangel} ArcAngel seems too be really confused about mechanics that have been clarified on more than one occasion, and they don't seem to be scumhunting very much. Zyla has only interacted with the Arc slot for most of the game and with cyrus. They also have chosen to disclude any game advancing content for most of their posts.

This read on me is just thrown out with literally no explanation, no consideration, this is the quintessential TMIing a strong town post. The wolf read on Arc is also really bleh

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Maybe we're all scum

Do you have a view on T3 and/or cyrus?

itch ant must vest at in last long art top out wont next invest earth. so how is every one just dropping my anchor before game starts

wolf cause I can't read this post

use the 1st later of every word before i ask how everyone is doing

Why would you crumb VT? And why would you reveal it on page 5 d1?

To be fair, he crumbed the much rarer role,

Vailla

Townie.

I'd be relentlessly bussing cyrus if I were scum here

Cyrus is making quite a bit more sense this game than he did in Owner's Market Blitz, D1 at least.

I haven't played with Not_Mafia before, is quick-hammering something he does every day or just D1?

I don't care about finding scum, I just want to know why Cyrus crumbed VT

Hey Not_Mafia, I've never played with you. When can we expect you to start doing something useful? Zyla says you're a good scumhunter - who are your scum reads at this point and why?

Why NM is a wolf is basically this

Why does Imaginality interact with NM so much? Why does wolf imaginality care about NM literally at all? Well the answer is he really wouldn't. The only angle here from wolf imaginality is talking about NM just to seem productive but it doesn't come across like that and also just.. why. It's much more likely wolf imaginality is interacting with NM because they're partners

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you have nothing to say about what I posted?

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I'm not so sure about Arc tbh, some of her confusion about the setup seems almost put on to me

zyla is town for this post don't need anything else tbh

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T3 why did you want to rush to the mechanics day 1 but now you've done basically nothing with it

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t3 is probably town, Arc has fallen decently sharply in my reads

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t3 is probably town, Arc has fallen decently sharply in my reads

Just to confirm, "fallen" means your read on her has shifted scumwards?

yes

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explain then. I'm wolf reading you cause all you do is omgus

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that's not true at all

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why do we not have a hammer yet literally no one of posting

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sigh

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Not voting Kop here is very not good, do what you want though I've kinda lost interest in this game completely

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if someone who isn't one of my scum reads dies 2 days in a row I'm probably just gonna join NM in lolcatting the rest of the game tbh

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VOTE: Kop

I don't think I need to explain this

I have town read both day 1 and day 2 exes

Can people start listening to me?

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I was going to instant vote this anyways, actually smart of wolves to put both of us in the checks, but there is now a guarantee of 1 wolf between myself and Kop even without the vote. I will case every single wolf in this game, as I have been, if any townies have doubt, but how this day realistically should play out is simply hammering Kop as soon as what... 4 people show up into thread?

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Kop's vote onto Hockey was literally just to kill a towny before he got put over. He knew he was dead. His actions prove that.

By the way, NM, if you're town I'm never playing with you again

I'm probably not playing on this site more anyways, tbh, but wow

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Was this literally just done to troll me by doing my top 2 townreads

are you actually town reading Kop? Are you really? Have you read his posts? Have you read his predecessors posts?

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At least... this... ridiculous read is pretty towny cause every wolf is ready to bus Kop cause LMAO

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Was this literally just done to troll me by doing my top 2 townreads

are you actually town reading Kop? Are you really? Have you read his posts? Have you read his predecessors posts?

Yes.
But I townread you more. VOTE: kop

ty

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sry I'm pretty annoyed after Hockey died, especially cause I think Imaginality is still scum and town kinda handed wolves that exe lol, but we should still be able to win

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T3 can you unvote Kop for now?

nah

We didn't hammer literal outed wolf (by posts) yesterday and look what happened

I encourage everyone to vote ASAP. Yes, you too

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Kop's vote onto Hockey was literally just to kill a towny before he got put over. He knew he was dead. His actions prove that.

By the way, NM, if you're town I'm never playing with you again

I'm probably not playing on this site more anyways, tbh, but wow

Let me guess, you're from MU?

here boy heres a hammer heres a hammer let me even do it for you just copy paste this

VOTE: Kop[/ vote]

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sorry I'm from MU

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Kop: who do you think goats's scum buddies are?

I am going to assume that you're trying to play out the day because it is lylo and you're hoping a towny happens to misvote at some point down the line

Don't. It's lylo. The wolf is obvious. End it. If you're town, ending it is to your benefit.

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We have more than enough time to discussion tomorrow, it won't be lylo tomorrow.

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Kop: who do you think goats's scum buddies are?

I am going to assume that you're trying to play out the day because it is lylo and you're hoping a towny happens to misvote at some point down the line

Don't. It's lylo. The wolf is obvious. End it. If you're town, ending it is to your benefit.

I don't think anyone is voting anyone other than Kop today. I still want to hear from Kop before we eliminate him though.

What do you need to hear from an outed wolf? Do you think you will get anything of value? Like, this statements contradict each other

If no one is voting anyone but Kop, what Kop going to do? Fight? No. He's not going to give more spew

And besides this, I thought people weren't going to vote Hockey yesterday

I was wrong on that, I guess, and he died

I'd rather us not lose like that

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if you're town, Imaginality, I'll re-consider you tomorrow

I obviously dislike the Hockey wagon, but I also believe that wolves would be more interested in bussing Kop than to stack 3 people onto Hockey

I'll think about it

But I'm alright proceeding this with a NM, maybe Arc, elim. I'd need to consider Zyla, I haven't read their progression on the Hocket vote, and I disliked their lack of engagement with what I cased before

[goats]

I consider this post a town slip btw

"Oh wait it's elo"

So I'm still town reading T3

[goats]

my strongest wolf read is still imaginality

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lol

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Meg town I think.

meh

catching up on everything they did and only having 1 thing to contribute isn't inspiring to me

Checked back just in time I guess, sorry for the trouble mod, will read up and post in a few min.

VOTE: imaginality

Their interactions with T3 give off a weird vibe to me.

Won't say.

VOTE: T3

This 'I have a read but I won't tell you it yet' seems anti-town. Seems like keeping it unspoken means you can wait to see whether others lean cyrus:town or cyrus:scum so you can then say that's what your read was too.

This feels like a highly speculative post that essentially boils down to "T3 is being scummy if they are in the majority"
It doesn't feel like something a townie would push.

This is bad

Do you want to vote Meg?

Meg should prolly be exed

Megs day 1 was really really really bad, like not just inactivity but the only read they gave was repitition of something I had said for the most part, basically it doesn't feel original at all, and that singular thing was all they got from the entire day 1 thread? Nah bruh

past that, their world view of { Zyla, Arcangel} being the bottom of their reads is discomforting, and when I look at how off putting these wolf reads are to me my only thought is "Meg can't find the wolves because they are one"

like I'm just looking at this list from town!megs PoV and I'm not seeing three wolves, I don't know where they are

VOTE: imaginality

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if imaginality is town you can kill tomorrow that's really all I have to say about him

[goats]

oh yeah zyla isn't with imaginality

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was kinda getting more apprehensive of her but that helps

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Alright, so, at least one of NM and AA is town, and at least one of goats and imaginality is town.
That means that most likely there's scum between me and T3
VOTE: T3

okay but here's the thing

at minimum one town between:

NM, AA

Goats, Imaginality

leaving

Zyla, T3

as you say

but... you already know there's a town between (Zyla, T3),

so really it's not that relevant of a pairing from yours or T3s perspective

I'm saying this because I actually town read you both

I believe it to be imaginality and NM

I've explained these reads before, but I'd rather not wifom with the checks

like imaginality knows I've been on him all game

Why not throw himself into a check?

In fact, he's even trying to use that against me

That makes me think it was planned

And etc

[goats]

actually I may be wrong and AA is the wolf

gonna read kop spew

it would be disappointing if NM is town because he's a wolf in everything but role pm (if that's the case)

[goats]

okay based on Megs posts and a reread of AA I think it's imaginality AA, actually I need to reread imaginalitya interactions with AA lmao

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yeah okay nothing clearing there, really not even close

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Not really feeling involved with the discussion so here's where I'm at with the game so far.
Townreads
{ goats, Hockey, Imaginality} - Imaginality gave off some weird vibes D1 with T3, but they seem to be scumhunting since, goats and Hockey have pretty reasonable with their arguements the whole game through, exception being Hockey and NM, but thats NAI at worst.
Null:
{T3, NM} T3 plays too chaotically for me to go through the headache of me figuring them out. After trying I'd put them as a townlean since they seem to be contributing positively. N_M has basically trolled the entire game but I figure that's par for the course and NAI.

{ Zyla, Arcangel} ArcAngel seems too be really confused about mechanics that have been clarified on more than one occasion, and they don't seem to be scumhunting very much. Zyla has only interacted with the Arc slot for most of the game and with cyrus. They also have chosen to disclude any game advancing content for most of their posts.

I actually don't think wolf meg gives a null read to wolf NM who is basically dead weight to any team he's on. That combined with Megs TMI you probably just put him in wolf

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Anyone else feels that MegA was replaced because he couldn't handle the scum pressure?

VOTE: HockeyFan

still being opportunist!!! SCUM!!

these two posts being consecutive is just awful

[goats]

Please vote HockeyFan
He is scum!

and yeah arc just stays on hockey for shitty reasons and doesn't move her vote at all

[goats]

Btw imaginality you're probably who played the best, if a wolf, out of anyone else in this game

unfortunately my slot randed town though

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I didn't say much about Cyrus but I don't think that's inexcusable. As for Hockey, what's the point here? You realize I probably made the most posts out of anyone day 2 and a majority of those posts were to say Meg was a wolf? That in itself is defense of Hockey, I wanted the Meg/Kop slot dead and I did more than anyone else to try and push my read there. If you're town, you have one choice atm, and that's reads my iso and see that it's pretty obviously town.

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anyways I'm bored so let me find a couple things

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outside of this I have arc/zyla as town off tone

that leaves 4 players

Cyrus, imaginality, NM, and the person who hasn't posted except once

I could be wrong on either arc or zyla (my zyla read being stronger) but I liked arcs interactions with Cyrus who I believe is a wolf

so i think arc and t3 are scum together.

VOTE: arcangel

this vote is weird but Cyrus voting Arc and their response being to omgus doesn't seem partnered

I'm not so sure about Arc tbh, some of her confusion about the setup seems almost put on to me

context prior to this Zyla post is important

I just came off writing a decent amount, and came to a 4 person PoE

I doubt wolf!zylas engagement with this is to say "actually one of the people you're kinda town reading, I'm unsure about" randomly. Zyla is decently new from what I can tell, and a newer wolfs response to my posts is to go "eek" and either ignore me or TMI me

Zyla engaged me in a decent way, and I think specifically the read she gave isn't one she would make up. Calling a towns confusion about the setup put-on is like, a few steps removed from what I'd expect from wolf Zylas reads. I don't know how to explain but it's not often wolves scum read someone for lying about setup knowledge. (Though Meg actually did this too, it was a repitition of Zylas read, making it wolfy tbh)

[goats]

So we go between T3 and Zyla today right?

That's my thought according to setup, and T3 was already in my scum reads, so it works, but otherwise Arc is also questionable.

Tbh, I do not like at all how quickly Day 3 went by.
We got scum with the hammer, but we didn't actually give them any chance to contribute to the thread and slip up somehow
Imaginality gets town points for not voting Kop before he showed up, Arc loses points for taking them to E1 (especially since she's modded games with him in them, and thus knew his hammer rule).

Reading this post I'd be kinda eh at the association with you; it's kinda a weak way to call you (imaginality I mean) more towny, but then I remembered Zyla almost certainly can never be with you. This is part of why I was meh on the Zyla read though before remembering that

however now, I can't really see any agenda with it and the overall sentiment of "you guys killed my wolf partner too fast" is.. not one I expect wolf Zyla to be expressing in this way

[goats]

if you're town, Imaginality, I'll re-consider you tomorrow

Half of why I said this is because I wanted to open the door to me town reading you, were you a wolf, to see if you'd change your tune and want to kill Kop in order to try and take advantage of this. The other half is I wanted you in general to be more willing to kill Kop without waiting. I've explained the lylo specific reasons for this but the other reasons are that this game is just fucking boring. Like it really is so boring. Anyways

[goats]

I consider this post a town slip btw

"Oh wait it's elo"

So I'm still town reading T3

you can call this a weak reason, town slips usually are, but if you believe this to be a bad read you need to agree either that:

wolf T3 wouldn't realize when it's lylo

wolf T3 would fake this

which I don't know if you do? I'm doubtful, but regardless, it's obvious where it's coming from and it's not the only reason I'm town reading him it just made me feel better about him

[goats]

ftr I find the willingness to dome both from T3 and Zyla towny

[goats]

At least... this... ridiculous read is pretty towny cause every wolf is ready to bus Kop cause LMAO

Calling this projection is imo pretty ridiculous. While I can see making this exact post as a wolf, there's no reason it's specifically wolfy.

[goats]

My take on all this is... Goats is scum.

I was thinking about this point during the night: Goats is definitely confident enough to have put up a scum-scum target N2, sacrificing Kop to protect their other scumbuddy from having to be targeted. (Note that, I believe, this implies their other scumbuddy is T3 or Zyla.)

And looking at the targets this morning, goats-scum still makes sense to me. There was a 1/6 chance of me returning a guilty, so the guilty-guilty scenario (which would likely have seen me elimmed then goat the next day) was pretty unlikely. Whereas the 1/3 chance of goats getting a random inno would look great for them being able to coast to endgame.

Meanwhile in the 1/2 chance of a goats guilty, me inno result, I think goats is so townread they could argue away a guilty on them as being a random guilty. If that had been the result, they'd also have to call me conftown but they'd be okay with that since I've only townread them all game. They'd probably see me as likely to vote anyone else ahead of them in any x-lo 1v1 scenario.

In this goats-scum scenario, think if Zyla or T3 were targeted (whichever is scum) and returned a guilty they'd be under a lot of pressure. And I think they didn't want to target whoever is town among those two because they need to keep that person as a good mis-elim since they can only mis-elim one of Arc-NM at most. And there'd be a 5/6 chance of an inno on that person.

Ultimately, I just have a strong hunch that scum this game is being smart and bussing Kop in a town-scum target pairing seems too obvious. (while hoping to save Kop with an inno would be dumb.)

Going with a scum-scum pairing, that's sneaky.

Okay, so I'm making a hard case pushing for goats here. What if I'm wrong about goats? In that case, while T3 and Zyla is possible as a pairing, I don't think Zyla votes T3 today or gives me townpoints. And in that scenario, {Arc, NM} are town and I'd think scum try harder to get one of the two town innos (Arc and NM) mis-eliminated earlier, and also likely target them rather than goats and me.

So if I'm wrong about goats being scum, I am pretty sure it's one of {Zyla, T3} and one of {Arc, NM}.

Btw, what is obviously the more likely explanation here is simply that I'm town, everyone knows it, and so wolves don't give a fuck to put me in the checks. They can run me as confirmed town all they want. It doesn't change the game for them. This is the same reason I was originally put with Kop most likely. I was going to get Kop killed that day, with or without any checks

[goats]

"As I mentioned this attempt to rush the day is bad, like, even aside from the points I made yesterday, for the sake of argument if Kop was 100% known scum you could still use some time to dig into whoever you saw as his potential scumbuddies."

Honestly, this point is kinda a fucking joke too btw. If you are town and expecting that Kop was gonna give anything useful, you're so far off the mark I don't know what to tell you. But hey like I said if you're a wolf then okay

[goats]

irt to the above it's especially ridiculous when I basically am 70% of the discussion in the thread, and like 90% of the productive discussion
Like, what? "oh no the person who is doing almost all the rereading and giving almost all the content wanted to end the day soon so now we have less content"

And btw, where was this when AA pushed a hammer into a towny?

Twice, btw

[goats]

I can explain why pretty much everything else you said is wrong but I'm getting bored now. Suffice to say, you're fully in the wrong, and you're not going to convince anyone. If you don't want to die you can present an actually reasonable solve

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okay, well I'm probably just gonna not move my vote and maybe pop in eventually until you get limd

[goats]

you realize I've consistently wolf read you since day 1 right

lmaooooooo

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my strongest wolf read is still imaginality

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esooa decided not to play this game anymore so ima fill for her

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i have read 0 of this game but apparently imaginality is outed so im just going to vote them until they die

you can sheep this vote and share the glory or refuse to sheep it and flounder in ignoble shame

[goats]

everyone who sheeps me is lock town everyone who disagrees is lock scum

pick your side carefully!!!

[goats]

btw anyone who votes outside of me and imaginality is outed wolf because letting this thunderdome stretch out is horrendously detrimental to thread health

pick your sides. if you people are unwise enough to vote me out instead of imaginality, immediately turbo imaginality and then turbo everyone on my wagon for a free win.

path to victory provided.

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imaginality hasn't posted because frozen.

gg ez

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If I were scum there'd be no reason for me to take goats on. In that scenario three of the four of you are town and any of those three would be an easier mislim for me to push than picking a fight with goats.

If you're town there's 100 more reasons you wouldn't push me than if you're a wolf. You're a cornered wolf.

[goats]

u are flailing

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my solve is arc, t3 and goats

humor me with how you believe my posts can be wolfy

they dont have to be. your town reading and defending my top scum read.

and that's all? And you have nothing to say any anything I've posted?

not yet . i will make my case on you more in full if t3 and arc flip scum if they flip town i wil vote my self off.

lmao okay

that's actually kinda funny maybe you're town and it's the one guy I called wolf last page and NM and the afk guy who just showed up

you probably should respond at the minimum to my reasons for town reading t3 though

[goats]

I'm SO FUCKING glad this is my last game on this site

[goats]

NM - Your thoughts on Goats vs Imaginality ?

Apologies, got distracted by some heavy IRL stuff, I'm gonna go back through ISOs

ughh
So the goats/ima interaction makes me think ima is scum?

Seriously?

With a town as quiet as this, this is why we need to eliminate scum!goats today or else they're just going to lead you all to defeat tomorrow.

If they could lead us to defeat tomorrow, what's stopping them from leading us to defeat today?

Boring

Also this is the second time I've ever been prodded lol

mod - v/la until Monday

Is anyone at E-1?

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Official Vote Count 4.01

Elimination

With 6 alive, 4 votes are required for elimination.

T3

(1): Zyla

goats

(1): imaginality

imaginality

(1): goats

Not Voting

(3): Not_Mafia, ArcAngel9, T3

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-09-06 13:07:32).

Mod notes:

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[goats]

I probably have like, 80% accuracy on my wolf reads on this site and it's still hellish

[goats]

I am logging out and probably blocking this site, yes these posts are from Esooa bc I actually try to play this game anyways bye

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Imaginality u have been so annoying u made me meta read someone on MS to see if you aren't just an UNBELIEVABLY wrong town

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=11305

I had to find a game from 2007 for this

And you know what? Ur a wolf

I'm leaving now

[goats]

VOTE: goats

@notmafia

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get me out of this AWFUL town

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nah just hammer me fuck this

exe order is aa>zyla/imaginality>the other for anyone who gives a fuck to play the game

[goats]

there's actually a 50% chance imaginality is just game throwing this day phase as town, considering that zyla voted me for cringe af reasons after calling me town. Zylas afformented day 1 read on AA can come from TMI as w/w, and the checks this day make sense for the team too

Zyla/imaginality isn't the team, so killing AA first ~always gets a wolf, and you can kill into both zyla/imaginality after

if imaginality is town then fucking lmao considering he's literally making things up to push the only person who has killed a wolf this game, but alas, a broader overview of the game actually shows zyla/aa is more likely

[goats]

if imaginality is town then fucking lmao considering he's literally making things up to push the only person who has killed a wolf this game, but alas, a broader overview of the game actually shows zyla/aa is more likely

On the other hand, how exactly are you "the only person who killed a wolf this game"? We were

all

gunning for Mega/Kop. You just happened to be the first person to vote for them

VOTE: arc

[goats]

if arc gets hammered and flips town I am probably just self voting in lylo to end this game because it's awful

[goats]

VOTE: imaginality

[goats]

Its gotta be him

trust

Im inno

[goats]

told ya so

[goats]

grats to the scum team