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Huntress wrote:Vote: dvdkid13
He'smybest bet so far.Yourbest bet? Elaborate please.
Is this a joke or serious?Kise wrote: dvdkid is suspicious for saying that he hopes him & Ash can still be friends... get it? Friends! Ay. Kay. Ay. scum buddies
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Of course.ZazieR wrote:
Kevin always votes me in the RVSKise wrote:What kind of question is that? Yes, I'm serious.
Fos: Zachrulez
Kmd voted for Zaz' first, then you voted for her second. Therefore, you two are The Sorcerors. Ash & dvdkid are Shadow Dragons.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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VP, I started scumhunting here:
When didKmd4390 wrote:Huntress wrote:Vote: dvdkid13
He'smybest bet so far.Yourbest bet? Elaborate please.
Is this a joke or serious?Kise wrote: dvdkid is suspicious for saying that he hopes him & Ash can still be friends... get it? Friends! Ay. Kay. Ay. scum buddies
I see an Ash-dvd link here.youstart scumhunting? Just now with your vote on me?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Kise seemed to be pretty obviously joking.
I went back and joked with Zazie because she mentioned the fact that I always vote her in the RVS. So I responded. She'll pretty much joke while being serious even around Page 30. Don't be surprised to see me joke back. That doesn't mean I won't be scumhinting at the same time though.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Like I said, not going to BS a case that simply isn't there.VP Baltar wrote:Too scummy to be scum is not a valid argument.[/qoute]
I agree. Did I imply otherwise?
Kise seemed to be joking, so his actions weren't scummy. You seem to want me to twist it into something scummy when it simply isn't.
VP wrote:I'm not saying you had to tunnel until his lynch, but you discounting him as joking when he expressly said he was not seems silly. Like I said in my last post, at worst you could have attacked him over what you feel are bad reasons and watched to see if anyone tried to parrot you. That can be a good way catch scum slipping early on.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I usually jump on the first legitimately scummy thing to happen. Don't twist anything as scummy. Maybe overblow it, but definitely don't twist.VP Baltar wrote:Well, as someone who wants to hunt scum, what do you propose we do to get the game moving? We certainly can't twiddle our thumbs and wait for the scum to claim. Essentially, the most common way out of the RVS is to twist what someone said even though it might be considered BS later in the game.
I'll give a non-joke vote though for the sake of moving things along.
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It implies that you are thinking in terms of yourself and not the town as a whole.Huntress wrote:
Why the emphasis on the pronoun?Kmd4390 wrote:Huntress wrote:He'smybest bet so far.Yourbest bet? Elaborate please.
Votecount #2: Yay Mod Powers!
Darkstrike_11- (0/7)
ZazieR(3/7) - Zachrulez, AshMC1984, Khamisa
Kmd4390(4/7) - FeRnAnDo, ZazieR, Kise, VP Baltar
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Huntress(1/7) - Kmd4390
dvdkid13(1/7) - Huntress
Zachrulez(1/7) - lazarusmoth
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Scott Brosius(1/7) - dvdkid13
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Why is this? At the end of the game, we HAVE more reasons. Early on, there's nothing wrong with gut.FeRnAnDo wrote:Gut feelings, Huntress? you are saying that out of 12 people, your gut feelings are telling he is scum? Well, gut feelings are indeed valid in a ly-lo situation, but in early game they won't help much, eh? We've got to get reasons to vote on someone at this stage.
Unvote, Vote: Huntress
Why do people have to be really scummy to get a vote?dvdkid13 wrote: I entirely agree with Fern's opinion on this. However, I don't believe Huntress's actions have been scummy enough at this point to award him a vote.
But I would like to point out lurkers: Scott Brosius and Darkstrike_11.
Anyone have any thoughts on lurker treatment?
And lurkers already? Really?
So who, other than you, fernando, and huntress, is scummy?dvdkid13 wrote:AlsoUnvote
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Darkstrike, do you really have nothing to comment on? The bandwagons maybe?
I'll answer your questions although they don't seem helpful.
1) I love to be scum. I feel I'm better at it and it's more fun.
2) Yeah, I actually PM'd the Mod asking whether I was cop or VT until I realized what game this is and there is no cop. So then I erased it from my outbox. (Mod, if you saw that you had a PM and then checked and didn't, that's why. XD)
3) The only difference is that scum are looking for the other scum. So someone who looks like they are genuinely scumhunting could still be scumhunting AND be scum. Definitely don't ignore seemingly protown players when you are looking for scum. Also, if two players seem like they aren't connected, both can still be scum from opposite groups. That's about it I think (and this was probably the only one of your questions that was useful...)
40% is good odds. If you're that sure on me, you should vote.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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The odds aren't going to get much better. Why should this stop us from lynching? Do you think anyone is planning on lynching Fernando already?DVd wrote:I believe in withholding my vote until I observe more behavior. If we lynch someone, the odds that we lynch scum is 31% which leaves the odds that we lynch a townie at 69%. This is one of the reasons why I feel uncomfortable jumping on the Fern bandwagon.
Why isn't slight scumminess enough if it's more than what anyone else has done?DVd wrote:I never said that people had to be REALLY scummy to earn a vote. I just said that they need to to be scummy ENOUGH.
I'm sure everyone has their own opinion on what "scummy enough" is.
-too cautious with your voteDVd wrote:Also, KMd: i respect your opinion that you think I am scummy or exhibiting scum symptoms, but i was hoping that you could elaborate on your reasoning please.
-seem to be overexplaining yourself aka trying too hard
-"lurker treatment" question seemed weird when you could have either voted or asked for a prodKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Yeah, we always need to be careful about our lynch. Does that mean be careful with an early vote on someone? Not at all.dvd wrote:I don't think that should stop a lynch I just think that we should be more careful when the odds are bad, thats all I'm saying. I think that if enough people join the Fern bandwagon, he could possibly be lynched
I've got news for you. ANY lynchdvd wrote:Because "slight scumminess" could just be a town slip-up and if we end up basing our decision on that, we could end up lynching towncouldbe a townie. Odds are that we WILL lynch a townie today. But we still need to pressure people and try to find scum. Almost every game, everyone will be wrong at one point. Oh well. It happens.
Better yet, how about all of the scum just claim.VP Baltar wrote:If you are town, start posting more. If you are scum, please continue to lurk...you will be easier to spot that way.
Then whoKise wrote:Just noticed that.
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I don't think he's most scummy, no.. Not any more. There's no telling what his alignment is. And I've got plenty of fingers & toes to use.isscummy?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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So why not just vote your top suspect?Kise wrote:No vote because 6 other people probably want to lynch Fernando first. I'll wait for Ferny to posts more before I decide whether he's scummy or not. So far, I don't think Fern will earn my vote, although he seemed to be making a trivial case against Huntress.
The waiting game sucks.
You are going to pass Zwet?!? I'll believe it when I see it.Kise wrote:And I'll be #1 for PPD next month.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Since when do you do the whole "do what everyone else likes" thing? Aren't you usually more of an independent thinker than this? My experience with you is limited, but that's what I seem to remember. Then again, I don't think I've actually finished a game with you yet. I still don't like the bolded part though.Kise wrote:If you guys thinkDarkstrike said enough to get himself lynched, I'll join the voters. He's another one I've got my finger on.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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intimate?
Fernando was the best wagon at the time. This one has much more potential IMO.Kise wrote: Motherphucker! You were another one of the hecklers who kept wanting me to vote based on who I thought deserved it.. and you paid me to vote for Fernando, so.. the phuck???
Your suspicions sound very...calculated.Kise wrote: I later unFoS'd dvdkidat the same timeI FoS'd Lazaur, which was wellbeforeI voted for Laz. Therefore, Laz's shyness/staying in the shadows made me suspect him more than I would suspect the 3-post wonder (Ash).
So, what happened to the Fernando wagon?
We found a better one.Kise wrote: So, what happened to the Fernando wagon?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Seriously, stop using this as a reason for your vote. If you don't think he's scummy, you shouldn't have voted him.Kise wrote: As far as anyone should be concerned, my vote on Fern is merely because I was "paid" to do so, since I would still rank Laz higher on my list of suspects.
Crap attack. Furry is a replacement, not a lurker.Kise wrote:An exception, ehh...
Oh noes! It's the contradiction-scumtell!VP Baltar wrote:If you are going to have one rule for lurkers, you have to have it for all other lurkers.
OMGUS is scummy.Darkstrike_11 wrote:unvote
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Pretty obvious that the scum are Darkstrike, Kise, Zach, and dvd.VP Baltar wrote: Kmd, Zazier- what are you thoughts?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Voting makes a stance clear. It helps discussion and helps us read you.Kise wrote:I think we'd get better information by asking KMD why he thought voting was so necessary, despite how many times I told him I wanted to wait on it (This means I'm asking, Kevin).
Why are you using my first name?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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A vote is more concrete than an opinion.Kise wrote: How is my (or any other player's) stance any different after making a vote? I'm pretty sure that, before I voted for Laz, I explained to you my reason for suspecting him in the first place.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Zach:Kise wrote:
I'm not defending him, but how do you figure that Zach is scum?Kmd4390 wrote:Pretty obvious that the scum are Darkstrike, Kise, Zach, and dvd.
-Started by asking a few questions, but didn't take any hard stances.
-Took the easy Darkstrike vote and blew it up as his first real stance
-Most of his attacks are small jabs
-Put Kise at L-2 for weak reasons without even mentioning him previously
-More concerned with lurker hunting than scum huntingKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Then don't make scummy posts.darkstrike wrote:Then you take it wrong. You have to admit that whenever I do post, people attack it regardless. It’s in fact a case of “I’d post more but I’m tired of being falsely accused.”
See, this is part of my issue with Zach. He is more than willing to make small jabs, but he doesn't back them or push the issue further.darkstrike wrote:Again, a statement with no backing up. I don’t mind it, but it means I can’t refute your claim. What do you find scummy about it? I can tell you that I meant it in a genuine attempt to respond to the attack made that hoping for a scum role is a scumtell. Please try and do more than just paint me as scum then leave.
When you don't take a hard stance, you position yourself to just agree with whatever easy wagon comes along, which you seem to be doing.Zachrulez wrote:
So?Kmd4390 wrote:Zach:
-Started by asking a few questions, but didn't take any hard stances.
Well for one you seem to think darkstrike is scum. Also maybe you wanna qualify what an easy vote is, cause in my mind voting someone is as simple as bolding the words vote: so and so.Kmd4390 wrote:-Took the easy Darkstrike vote and blew it up as his first real stance
So?Kmd4390 wrote:-Most of his attacks are small jabs
Lies. I didn't put Kise at lynch -2, and I have mentioned him previously. As for the strength of my reasoning for voting for him, that's your opinion.Kmd4390 wrote:-Put Kise at L-2 for weak reasons without even mentioning him previously
What's your stance on lurking? I see half the people in this game not really bothering to post or participate in this game, and it's actually making it quite difficult for me to get into this game myself. I suppose I should check who is due for a prod.Kmd4390 wrote:-More concerned with lurker hunting than scum hunting
Note:If you're using your 2nd point to argue that I'm scummy you can't use the 1st, because by definition, you're using a hard stance taken by me to make a case, and it outright invalidates your first point.
More later.
Yes, I think darkstrike is scum. How does that make you any more likely town?
You didn't attack Kise very hard until the wagon. You didn't attack anyone hard, actually. Slight mentions don't mean "ok, these are the people who need to be lynched". They shouldn't even mean "You are scummy, but we'll see what happens". They usually mean "I am scum trying to say that I was already suspicious of you if a wagon comes up"
Lurkers should post more or be replaced. If lurking starts to look intentional and strategical, then I'll look at a lurker as scummy. Right now, all I see is lack of time or no interest.
What I'm looking for is an original position that you take and support strongly. Jumping on a wagon and saying "Yep! What he said! LYNCHLYNCH LYNCH" isn't taking a hard stance. Well, I guess it technically is, but it's not original.
Interesting. k, let's see what we've got.Kise wrote:You know what...?
Unvote; Vote: KMD
Pfffffftttt. Keep hiding behind that.Kise wrote:For one thing, he's led to my entrapment .
It was just after the RVS. I was trying to get something going, so I jumped on what I saw. The Huntress thing was weak, but it was there. Then the bandwagon on a decently scummy player was there, so I tried that. People just seemed so reluctant to get into this game.Kise wrote:But more importantly, he votes Huntress and gives no reason, then hops on Fernando's upstart-wagon after VP makes a case on him,
You are legitimately scummy.Kise wrote:then hops on my wagon after Furry & VP find a case on me (which was a very late discovery of whatever tell I committed).
I'm pretty sure that I already said that implying something to be in someone's own best interest over the town's is a scumtell. But I honestly don't suspect Huntress that much anymore, so I don't have any more than that to elaborate on.kise wrote:The closest he's come to making a case against Huntress was asking her to elaborate on why dvdkid was her 'best bet', but even then, he gave no reason why he voted for her.
First of all, don'tKise wrote:
We never did get those reasons, Kevey.Kmd4390 wrote:I'll give anon-joke votethough for the sake of moving things along.
Unvote, Vote HuntressEVERcall me that again. Second, yeah, we did.
You figured me out.Kise wrote:Admit it.. you want to get rid of me so I have one less game to build up my PPD
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I still stand by my statement that scum have to scumhunt.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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You are missing my point. I'm not saying the scum have to be among players who are actively posting and looking for scum. I'm saying that scumhunting will help scum to win the game. They need to try to find each other. Basically, scumhunting is less of a towntell here than it is anywhere else because someone can genuinely scumhunt and still be scum themselves.VP Baltar wrote:
I don't agree. I think it is very likely there is more than one scum either sheeping along or completely lurking in this game.Kmd wrote:I still stand by my statement that scum have to scumhunt.
How haven't I committed to this game? I commit to every game I join. I've been around more than anyone except maybe you and Kise.VP Baltar wrote: While I think Kise is more scummy, you certainly haven't been making a huge commitment to this game, Kmd. Also, if you talk to Zazie at all, will you tell her to check this game and post please.
Zazie has other games to keep up with. I'm not sure what her plans are for this game and won't ask due to out of thread communication rules, but I'm sure she'll be around.
I'm voting you because you wouldn't vote Laz until I prompted you to vote a suspect, you were looking for me to direct your vote, you voted Fernando which was a funny joke, but hid behind that far too long, and you don't seem to be matching the meta I have on you which admittedly doesn't include any finished games but the whole suspect everyone but follow along thing just isn't you.Kise wrote:Neither you or VP jumped on me until Furry pointed out my voting pattern. I'm pretty sure you are also guilty of the "yep what he said" tell.
And yeah, I've agreed with some of other people's suspicions, but the difference is that I've also made original points and have original suspicions.
I wasn't pushing Huntress for a lynch. I was pushing Huntress as the first scummy player I saw early in the game.Kise wrote:So I catch shit for making weak FoS's, but you make a weak vote and everything is all sunshine & lollipops? Nuh uh. Your 'weak' vote is much stronger than my 'weak', simply because I did not use my power to get someone eliminated from the game. I think your vote should have been more serious.. and it's an insult when you say it was based off of weak judgment. I know you're a better player than that (as town***).
And if you think I'm better as town than I am as scum, you haven't seen enough of my games. I'm only 21-32 as town and 14-7 as scum. So I've won 40% of my town games and 67% of my scum games.
So:Kise wrote:So sure, are we..? Well, I'm writing it in my "e-Will" in the case of my mislynch today that you be lynched D2. I demand it, in fact... If I can't build my PPD up in Open 150, then neither should you, Sorcerer. (Yes, even at a serious time like this, I still choose to use a non-serious tone. Then again, you could be Shadow Dragon for all I know.)
-you want to set up chain lynches
-you feel the need to specify that you would be a mislynch
-you specify which scum group you think I am when no one has flipped yet
-you feel the need to say "for all you know", I could be the other group
Did I miss anything?
If you think I'm scum, just tell your buddy to kill me tonight. Maybe that's what you are doing now that I think about it. XDKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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1) How do you suspect someone without thinking they are scum?
2) This is fair, but why did you need me to direct your vote? Ok, this is more the case with Fernando than Laz, but the point stands.
3) Again, how does someone "behave suspiciously" without commiting scumtells?
4) Actually, "acting suspicious" is the same as being scummy. There have to be reasons why Laz was suspicious. Maybe he isn't scum, but you still saw him as scummy and there are reasons why.
5) Or you could have explained why you thought I was wrong and voting is this big scary thing that no townie should ever do.
Oh, I'll gladly "man up" and take some credit if you are lynched. I never said anything to imply otherwise.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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1) No, but if you suspect them, you at leastthinkthey are scum. For example, I suspect you, Zach, darkstrike, and dvd. Maybe I'm wrong about all four, but those are still my suspects and I still think those players are scum.
2) I "pestered" you to vote because I feel a vote solidifies a stance much more than an FoS does.
3) I still don't understand why someonehasto be obvscum to get a vote.
4) Maybe because you say you suspected him, you FoS'd him, and when I said you should vote your top suspect, you voted him. Sounds like you found him scummy.
What do you think is the difference between suspicious and scummy? I don't see one.
No, townies are scummy sometimes too. 90% of players who are lynched are scummy regardless of alignment.
Seriously, stop with that. I'm not joking, I'm actually starting to get pissed off.
5) So you play to please me instead of to push what you think is right? See, that's scummy even if you are town.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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You don't think I've posted original content? Elaborate. I seem to get attacked for this in every game lately, but I feel I add just as much as I always have.VP wrote:Posting and finding original content are not the same thing. I agree that you have been here, but you seem a bit disinterested at points. I know this game is lacking people being active overall, but I would expect you to be one of the persons really spurring people on to contribute. It's minor and mostly gut based because I haven't read you in iso, but I think we probably have high expectations of each other.
What do I seem "disinterested" in? Maybe it didn't catch my attention. I'll elaborate if you'll point something out to me.
Yes, I don't like lurkers and theyshouldpost more, but it's mathematically impossible for all of the lurkers in this game to be scum.
No need for the Mod to get involved.VP wrote:@Kise, you seriously need to stop acting like a wanker. Kmd said stop calling him that and you are just antagonizing him. The mod either needs to do one of the following: warn/eject/modkill you. There is no reason to act like that.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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How often have you seen me try to pressure lurkers into posting? I only do it if it looks strategical. For example, if someone says 6 times "I'm catching up. Will post tomorrow" and never does, I'm on them for it. But most of the time, lurkers don't even see the thread, so pressuring them is pointless.
I agree that a vote count would be nice.
Mod, can we get a vote count please?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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^This. Takes away 50% of the chances for them to be killed.Furry wrote:
If he is scum the opposite group should by trying to kill his partner at night, it would eliminate all of the night threats for them.VP Baltar wrote:Actually, hold on a sec, are you claiming scum Kise or are you just bitter that you were lynched?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Does it matter? It's not hard to find.Zachrulez wrote:
Modified the quote for easier access to your "case."Kmd4390 wrote:Vote Zachrulez. Case was posted yesterday.
Dunno why you couldn't have provided that to make it easier for everyone to see...
Anyway, more later.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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But she's been online. And her fastest game is at night. So she has time to look at this one now. It won't be today because she won't be online, but I'd assume she'll be here tomorrow or the next day.Zachrulez wrote:Are you kidding? She hasn't posted in two weeks.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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