Open 150 - Crossfire - Game mod abandoned

[hasdgfas]

hi guys.

catching up soon.

Anything you need to ask me or tell me while I'm catching up?

[Huntress]

Welcome to all the replacements

[hasdgfas]

Hascow's "I'm catching up" series of posts, Pages 1-4

Please note: I am going to comment on people who have died, because I haven't read the OP. I find that if I don't read who's been lynched and died, I get a better read on the game.

page 1:
Fernando, Post 7: I always dislike people explicitly saying random for their votes.
Ash, Post 17: uhhhh, seems a little bit of an overreaction.
dvdkid, Post 24: Something about this post rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it's the smiley.

page 2:
kmd, post 26: Yessssss? annnnnnd?
huntress, post 31: Best bet? why?
kaiv, post 39: The blue hurts my eyes
kise, post 40: buddying with zazier, eh? and you're calling out dvdkid for buddying? I don't like this.
kise, post 46: What are you talking about?

page 3:
kise, post 51: Ok, this deserves a

FoS: Kise

for blatant buddying.
kmd, post 55:
kmd, post 60: an excellent question
VPB, post 61: Looks RVS to me, to be quite honest. I see no reasoning.
kmd, post 67: I just want to point out that he said "scumhinting" which, if you wanted to go Freudian slip, you could here.
kmd, post 73: why does nobody explain their votes when they say it's a "non-joke" vote?
huntress, post 74: are all FoSes distancing? If not, why is Kise's?

page 4:
fernando, post 76: Why are gut feelings useful at one stage, but not at another?
dvdkid, post 78: GGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
lmoth, post 80: why the two of them? Why are you thinking about joining a kmd bandwagon or the bandwagon he seems to have started?
lmoth, post 91: what does this do to help the game?
dvdkid, post 92: but that's if it's a completely random lynch. The chances should get better as the day moves on. (Plus, 31% chance of lynching scum is quite good)
dvdkid, post 97: A mislynch can be extremely helpful to the town :teach:


all right, I'll be back with more pages later, but I think that's a decent start.
Current thoughts:
where's ash? he started out posting quickly, but hasn't posted since.
kise is buddying with zazier. I don't like that at all.
dvdkid is acting really, really scummy, and the "unvote, RVS over" post is just dumb and scummy.
lmoth is actively lurking.

FoS

fernando is acting rather odd, not sure what that means at this point though.

[afatchic]

Hey guys. So i read about 8 pages the other day when i offered to replace, but then i guess the mod wanted to get all the replacements before she sent out roles, so now i forgot it all.

However i do highly suspect hasdgfas as being scum, and if he is scum, i expect KMD to be their partner. I actually PM'ed the mod when i thought i was taking that spot saying I really hope im not that obvious as scum, and then i asked if i was in a scum team with KMD, because thats what i think. That would have been funny though, because every time i have been scum, its with KMD!!

Anyways,

Fos hasdgfas

until i get completely caught up.

Oh and also, i completely supported the day 1 lynch, until the death scene. Had i been here, that was right where my vote would have been. So unfortunately, it's a bit harder to find the scum on that wagon, since i would have also supported it.

More to come later.

[hasdgfas]

afat, I've made 2 posts in this game, I can't be "that obvious" as scum

[Battousai]

I'm not done rereading, but I'm done for now. Here are my lists of suspects up to page 4 (keep in mind that I only took out who I replaced from possible suspects, and anyone who is dead may or may not be a suspect in this)

1)lazarusmoth
2)Kise
3-6)FeRnAnDo, Huntress, VP Baltar, Darkstrike_11


Post 40- Kise calling an ash-dvd link
Post 52- fernando says drawing votes to yourself is scummy (in response to a joke point)
Post 72- Huntress Reasons for vote on DVD... going on gut from almost no posts
Post 82- VP Balter refuses to answer darkstrike questions 'cause he said he feels it would drag them back to RVS
Post 86- Darkstrike says he's townie and uses that as an excuse to accuse attackers.
Page 4- Lazarusmoth has been active lurking.

[Battousai]

Ok, I'm caught up enough to tell you who three of the scum are:

KMD
Furry
Zachrulez

I'm guessing of the three, KMD and Furry are the scum team.

This all goes back to the Kise wagon. I definitely feel they reacted scummish. I'm more positive of KMD being scum over Furry and Zachrulez, so my vote is going on him.

Vote: KMD

[hasdgfas]

Hascow's catching up posts, pages 5-9:

page 5:
dvdkid, post 100: Does this say anything? no, no it doesn't.
kise, post 102: And this isn't worth a vote, why?
kise, post 104: Gah, why with the unvote? I don't get it. Who is scummy? You're not saying anything here.
kise, post 107: Why no vote? And why are they scummy?
kise, post 110: What does what other people want to do have to do with your vote?
kise, post 115: Why lazarus?
dvdkid, post 116: Why the lurker hunting?
kise, post 119: Really don't like the following the town here. Kise is trying way too hard to seem pro-town.
kise, post 122: But someone you want lynched might not be who the town wants lynched.

page 6:
kise, post 127: Still with the following.
kise, post 129: What does FoSing have to do with voting? And isn't trying to convince others that you're right one of the main points of this game?
kise, post 134: GGAAAAAHHHHHH! You just said that you don't like people trying to convince you through argument, yet you don't mind being fake-bribed? Something doesn't add up.
kise, post 140: opportunism? ugh, please die scum.
kise, post 141: If you're going to swear, please actually do it instead of just changing a syllable.
kise, post 149: And yet you also seem to be just jumping on wagons.

page 7:
kise, post 151: hypcritical much about the adhom? Plus, you haven't explained your change of stance on lazarus.
Kise, post 160: Post count =/= being a talking player :teach: AND WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR NOT YOUR TOP SUSPECT? GGGAAAAAAHHHHHHH
kise, post 165: ha. haha. hahaha. hahahaha. contradiction? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
kise, post 167: nothing in this post is pro-town.
VPB, post 168: That is a blatant misrepresentation of his post, VPB.
ex-me, post 171: :headdesk:
ash, post 172: There's nothing here. You're not saying anything. Please explain this post. Also, text speak? what? the emoticon?
ash, post 174: If you have a good reason for voting the person voting you, it's not OMGUS.

page 8:
zach, post 178: Hey zach, how about you? I don't recall you saying much about this game either!
ash, post 181: Going on "documented tells" is a terrible idea, since meta shifts and personal playstyles can sorta change scumtells, (although I agree with scum wanting to tell you they're scum) :teach:
kmd, post 191: OMGUS isn't scummy when it's not OMGUS. (Please note my comments on ash's post 174.)
ash, post 192: scumhunting is not a towntell in a multi-faction game. (not to mention that I hate taking things as "towntells")

page 9:
kise, post 206: *sigh* He admits it's OMGUS. I had forgotten we hadn't gotten reasons for a huntress vote, interesting.
kham, post 209: Oh hi, I forgot you were in this game. Plus, it's not OMGUS. He explained it, therefore not OMGUS.
kise, post 211: You can still scumhunt while being the center of attention. Also, way too nonchalant about being lynched. Sure, town shouldn't be afraid to be lynched, but this seems too unafraid.
kise, post 217: behaving suspicious != scummy? whaaaaaa?
lmoth, post 224: We've seen this already. Are you caught up?

ok, thoughts to here.
kise is almost obv scum. He could just be VI.
ash is really aggressive, and has some decent points, but is off-base on some things, and doesn't post enough.
zach definitely doesn't post enough.
dvdkid is also possible scum.
Man, my replacee was really bad. Try to take me on my merits and not his?

[afatchic]

afat, I've made 2 posts in this game, I can't be "that obvious" as scum

I'm not even referring to you, i meant your predecessor. I honestly didn't even see your post ahead of mine at the time i posted that. Nor did reread the last page to see if you had posted anything.

[afatchic]

By the way, I play on starting my read again in a few hours.

[Kmd4390]

Welcome all replacements.

kmd, post 26: Yessssss? annnnnnd?

I was slightly amused.

kmd, post 67: I just want to point out that he said "scumhinting" which, if you wanted to go Freudian slip, you could here.

haha damn. I always make that typo. I usually catch it before I post it though.

kmd, post 73: why does nobody explain their votes when they say it's a "non-joke" vote?

Because none of my reasons were new, so I didn't feel the need to restate.

That would have been funny though, because every time i have been scum, its with KMD!!

Not the first time we played together. I had you pegged on Day 1 and then you claimed my role.

Seriously though, what is the case/connection?

So unfortunately, it's a bit harder to find the scum on that wagon, since i would have also supported it.

Don't you think that at least 1-2 scum would have supported it too?

Ok, I'm caught up enough to tell you who three of the scum are:

KMD
Furry
Zachrulez

I'm guessing of the three, KMD and Furry are the scum team.

This all goes back to the Kise wagon. I definitely feel they reacted scummish. I'm more positive of KMD being scum over Furry and Zachrulez, so my vote is going on him.

Vote: KMD

What about the reaction was "scummish"?

[Battousai]

I put myself in your shoes. If I wanted Kise to vote his top suspect AND told him it was the pro-town thing to do, I would have at least remembered that "Hey, I really told him to do that." When VP brought up the main reason everyone piled on Kise. Since you were the one who asked it, I would at least think you wouldn't vote him for it.

[Kmd4390]

I wanted him to vote his top suspect because not voting is scummy. I liked that he voted. I didn't like where he placed his vote based on his reasoning.

[afatchic]

By the way, I play on starting my read again in a few hours.

I Fail. Most of the day is booked, but i'll try and get a read in tonight. Sorry for the wait guys.

[Battousai]

I wanted him to vote his top suspect because not voting is scummy. I liked that he voted. I didn't like where he placed his vote based on his reasoning.

He placed his vote on his top suspect, who he felt wasn't that scummy. Note 'wasn't that' isn't the same as 'wasn't.'

[hasdgfas]

Hascow's still catching up posts, pages 10-X:
all right, just finished dinner, maybe I can catch all the way up:

page 10:
ash, post 229: good hammer, honestly. Question is, was this just a suspicion that recently came up?
kmd, post 233: What? How does that hammer mean he's town?
kaiv, post 246: Wait, he was town? O.O

page 11:
kmd, post 250: Gee, that helps
zach, post 257: Not liking this at all.
kham, post 263: Do you really have nothing else to say? Why do you like the darkstrike case?
zach, post 266: didn't you just defend darkstrike from someone else's attack?
kham, post 267: Gah, NK Speculation = scummy.
kham, post 272: Boy, you're really pushing this without voting aren't you?

page 12:
kmd, post 277: THANK YOU
a lot of complaining about lurking, not much saying anything game-related

page 13:
lmoth, post 300: You made a case? Where? When?
k7, post 306: Ack. This'll help the lurking
and a lot of nothing on the rest of this page.

page 14:
kmd, post 330: IT'S NOT OMGUS IF THEY HAVE REASONS FOR VOTING YOU
still lots of nothing

page 15:
k7, post 353: You haven't said anything game-related. Please do so or I will almost definitely vote you.
besides this, nothing game-related on this page that I feel like commenting on.

page 16:
battousai, post 381: Could you please elaborate on why they are scummy on this wagon? It's all well and good saying "they reacted scummish" but you can't leave it at that.


ok, now, who is scum?
I'll tell you who I think is scum, although some of them have probably been replaced.

zachrulez: He defends darkstrike, and then votes for him for basically what he defended him for, unless I'm missing something.
He didn't actually defend himself from kmd's attack, he deflected it and attacked back.

kmd, probably with zach, actually: They've been going at each other, but it doesn't feel genuine. It seems to be for things that are rather trivial.

dvdkid: For posting but never actually saying anything. He only voted to lurker hunt.

Not sure who the fourth is, maybe k7, who has, quite literally, said nothing, even with all of day 1 to look at.

vote: Zach
FoS: kmd, dvdkid

[Kmd4390]

Cool, let's go back to lynching Zach then.

Vote Zach

[Furry]

@Batt - Nice to hear im scum for scummily leading a wagon? At least I think thats what you are saying here. I just love getting to try and defend myself from making a move I would make again in an instant.
@has - Im used to being ignored but not that much... kinda funny

Still would like to lynch Kham or whoever that has become. I think its AFC but am not enitrely sure.

Interplay bewteen DS-Kham (now has-AFC?) still really makes me wary, even though I got that gut town on DS through WIFOM. How has just ignored kham after mentioning her as what at least sure sounds like scum almost reitterates what is bugging me about how kham seems to be playing around on the DS wagon oddly during D1, and then trying to use WIFOM to clear him regarding NK speculation at the start of D2. I still would much prefer to see a dead Kham though then has.

[hasdgfas]

@has - Im used to being ignored but not that much... kinda funny

take it as a compliment, I didn't find anything scummy worth commenting on from you.

[hasdgfas]

How has just ignored kham after mentioning her

as what at least sure sounds like scum

Please explain. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Furry]

How has just ignored kham after mentioning her

as what at least sure sounds like scum

Please explain. I don't know what you're talking about.

Comparatively to the rest of the players in the game, you seemed to give kham a whole lot of negative attention for her actions regarding the daybreak of D2, on top of a few scattered mentioning during other parts of the game. You pull up zach which seems understandable given your analysis, but when you add on kmd (who percentile wise you have as less scummy although that isnt the best indicator), and dvd (who was scummy early then went poof), I just dont see how you end up with the ignorance of kham.

I have to partially wonder if this is due to the fact that kham was most acting on the assumtion of your predicessors alignment. I know that I do react differently when people suspect me or think of me as town. I feel myself get more terse, long winded or bulldoggish in different scenarios, but it doesnt feel right to have you not be even casting a FoS here.

[Battousai]

I didn't like how you failed to quote the post where Kise said "laz isn't that scummy" or at least quote it in the way I just did. It makes your case on him that much stronger, a case, I might add, where you failed to give your reasoning for voting him and calling for his death.

That, plus I didn't like what KMD said about you. That isn't much, and is only a point against you if KMD is scum (which is another reason I'm voting KMD first).

[hasdgfas]

How has just ignored kham after mentioning her

as what at least sure sounds like scum

Please explain. I don't know what you're talking about.

Comparatively to the rest of the players in the game, you seemed to give kham a whole lot of negative attention for her actions regarding the daybreak of D2, on top of a few scattered mentioning during other parts of the game. You pull up zach which seems understandable given your analysis, but when you add on kmd (who percentile wise you have as less scummy although that isnt the best indicator), and dvd (who was scummy early then went poof), I just dont see how you end up with the ignorance of kham.

I have to partially wonder if this is due to the fact that kham was most acting on the assumtion of your predicessors alignment. I know that I do react differently when people suspect me or think of me as town. I feel myself get more terse, long winded or bulldoggish in different scenarios, but it doesnt feel right to have you not be even casting a FoS here.

I usually only FoS people I'd feel comfortable voting, and I'm still quite stingy with FoSes. I don't use them that often, tbh. The only reason I have 2 out(not that it matters that much in this game) is because I really dislike kmd's and Zach's attacks on each other, and dvdkid was horrid.

Not to mention, just because I mention someone a lot in my catching up doesn't mean they're going to be in my final suspicion list. During catching up, I comment on things I feel need commenting on, then when I'm done, I pull from what I feel needs pulling from, don't follow up on things that aren't quite as important to me at that point as other things, and then extrapolate things, like how kmd came out of nowhere. He may not have made many posts that I commented on, but his behavior as a whole made me suspicious with regards to him/Zach.

Khamisa? Has said almost nothing, which is quite scummy in and of itself, and she might be fourth on my list, but the other 3 are at a higher level at this point. At this point, I'm looking for active scumminess(with people who are still in the game), and hoping that the replacements can assuage my feelings about the scummy lurkers.

Oh, and the reason dvdkid hasn't left my list is because Battousai hasn't assuaged my feelings about him.
speaking of which,

Battousai:

battousai, post 381: Could you please elaborate on why they are scummy on this wagon? It's all well and good saying "they reacted scummish" but you can't leave it at that.

[killa seven]

what is the zach wagon about?

[Zachrulez]

You remember Grim Mafia Has?

I do...

The tone of your attacks on me are actually quite similar to that game...