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DarthYoshi wrote:Hi, everyone. Time for some obligatory opening questions--
What time zone are you in?
EST.
RVS or RQS? Why?
I don't care. While you're doing that I have plenty of posts to look at to do my own thing.
What is your experience level with Mafia?
Sufficient.
How active can we expect you to be?
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Then don't bring it up in the first place.Krazy wrote:Ythan wrote:Irrelevant reasons. I hurt his feelings in another game.
Not supposed to talk about ongoing games Ythan. tsk tsk
Mod, is it possible thatthesespoilers are often disallowed because they may effectively hide text butare not because they draw more attention, if anything? They're both called spoiler tags.Spoiler:
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We're on page three, and it was even earlier that you started with this shit. Not everyone is on so often.Krazy wrote:
I'm not Ythan's best friend, for sure, but I don't particularly dislike him either.
As for the RVS, he popped in, answered the RQS, and bolted. No vote. No commentary on anyone else's votes. Absolutely no position to be held accountable for at any point in the rest of the game. Yes, I think that's scummy, in addition to being really uninformative for the town.
Krazy wrote:Well, I'm going to have to eat my words in saying Ythan posts a lot...
mod: prod Ythan?
Really, Krazy, there are plenty of players for you to talk about in this game. You don't need to invest all of your energy on premature prod calls. If you ever thought you had a hope of getting me policy lynched, I'll put it lightly and say you're not doing anything to help it.Krazy wrote:Oh wait, nevermind, it's 72 hours this game not 48, my bad.
Trying to back out of the rvs tunneling now isn't really going so well either. If you were starting from the point of "Who isn't participating", rather than "What is Ythan doing", it would not have taken you this long.Krazy wrote:Wow shit you're right, TBL has made 1 post this whole game?!?!?
And Quaroth has never done anything since RV?
Game full of f'n lurkers.
But yes, I was focused on Ythan because he has 0 content AND no RV, although really TBL's solo vote no content isn't really better at all.-
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Ironic.Krazy wrote:He completely ignored my query about Ythan, which makes him tunneling already if nothing else..
Ironic.Scum-flailing to appear as badly-written town-flailing or just really bad town-flailing?
I can do this all day. You don't know shit about lurking because you're tunneling me too hard to have room in your head for what words really mean.-
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Then you don't know what that term means. It has a specific use on this site that you might not be aware of.Krazy wrote:That is not a post that is not in direct reaction to me.
Is that an accurate characterization of when I "pop in"? No. I'm having issues with my OS right now and I'll pop in as seldom as I please.Why do you pop in only when I address other players, Ythan?
That would be you. If you're attempting to call me on tunneling based on that line preceding this one then you don't know what tunneling is either.Who is the one tunneling here?
This is still incorrect. You would have saved yourself some text by waiting until I told you that you were mischaracterizing my activity and that you didn't know what tunneling was before getting this far.You QQ about me tunneling you then only respond when I start to address other players.
Do you know what a quarter is? It means one fourth. One fourth is not the same as four fourths, which would be everyone.What's up with that? What is YOUR take on Umbrage, since apparently you have read their iso and have rich thoughts on the subject?-
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Tunneling is focusing on one player to the exclusion of others, whether or not you have a good reason (you don't).
Lurking is reading a thread without contributing.
I'm not going to read every player in iso right this second just for you. Nor do I have to. If you have a problem with that, go cry about it to someone who thinks I'm obligated to spend more than enough time on this game for the sake of your lack of patience.-
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Good news and bad news Krazy. The good news is I'm reading further. Bad news is you're the first player on my list I feel like commenting on.
Seriously suggested a policy lynch in his first post.Krazy wrote:vote Yhtan
Trust me, this game will be so much better if we get a policy lynch in here right away. I mean, come on, it's Ythan.
Realizes that he's being hypocritical and can't talk about ongoing games either. Comes up with another reason for his first post policy vote. Not participating in RVS (explained in my post) and not casting a vote (equally meaningless).Krazy wrote:Ok. Since I now realize that explaining my reasoning for a policy lynch would require me to talk about an ongoing game, I will now retract my reasoning for my vote on Ythan as being a policy lynch.
Now my vote on Ythan is because he did not join in RVS and has not voted yet.
Questions a third player on me (specifically) doing something that I'm not the only one doing. This is tunneling. He's not really interested in the behavior, only how he can tie it to me personally.Krazy wrote:Umbrage wrote: I like this guy already.
Thanks for sharing. Considering there's so much discussion as to whether Xtoxm was contributing by only answering the questions, what do you make of Ythan only answering the questions and not voting? Are you letting Ythan off the hook because you find him amusing?
Attempting to characterize players who criticize his tunneling in the context of his made up reasons for voting.Krazy wrote:Do you have a problem with my current vote on Ythan? You have no problem with him not voting? Are you now ignoring both non-votes or being selective?
Made this post right about 24 hours after my previous post and yet attempts to characterize me as lurking. His next two posts are an attempt to have me (and only me) prematurely prodded and realizing that he was in the wrong.Krazy wrote:As for the RVS, he popped in, answered the RQS, and bolted. No vote. No commentary on anyone else's votes. Absolutely no position to be held accountable for at any point in the rest of the game. Yes, I think that's scummy, in addition to being really uninformative for the town.
Someone first calls him on tunneling and he backpedals to broaden his criticisms. He clearly had not considered the same behavior in anyone else. Tunneling.Krazy wrote:Wow shit you're right, TBL has made 1 post this whole game?!?!?
And Quaroth has never done anything since RV?
Game full of f'n lurkers.
But yes, I was focused on Ythan because he has 0 content AND no RV, although really TBL's solo vote no content isn't really better at all.
I have explained my method of reading players. He wants me to put four times as much effort in. Effort that nobody else is replicating at all. Not to say that nobody else is active, everyone's doing their own thing, but he's trying very hard to find a reason to stay on me. Tunneling.Krazy wrote:....................
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Well when your mafia mood returns.
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Even his discussion of other players is based around me.Krazy wrote:Honestly it is REALLY hard to make sense of Umbrage. He completely ignored my query about Ythan, which makes him tunneling already if nothing else, and although often I have seen CAPSRAGE posts coming from flailing town, Umbrage seems to be taking it to the next level with a relatively early wagon on him.-
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I remember your play from the last game. You could be scum. Or you could just be tunneling awfultown again. You're acting the same way. You're certainly anti-town. But I'm not going to pretend the things you are doing are scummy or struggle to hold together a case on you. Because I know how to play Mafia with a head on my shoulders.Krazy wrote:I notice that you didn't actually disagree with my assessment of Umbrage either, instead you merely called it ironic. Why don't you kick it up a notch. Am I scummy for saying those "ironic" things? Since you seem to refuse to respond to Umbrage himself, what about my assessment of Umbrage?-
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They're the two reasons you provided for maintaining your vote on me when you couldn't use policy anymore.Krazy wrote:Is RVS meaningless, or just not participating it? Why do you break this up into two parts?
Characterized me in what way exactly?I questioned Umbrage because he chose to characterize you in that way but not comment on your behavior. This read as positioning.
I'm through pointing out that you're tunneling. It's not like it's something I have to explain more than once. You're not disputing it, you're turning attention to me, I'm satisfied with the status of the accusation.You're trying to characterize me as tunneling when you haven't posted anything that was not in direct reaction to me this whole game. All I asked you to do was to participate in the game or provide some commentary on any player other than me, something you still have not done.
I defined it that way, actually. Don't use weasel words.You yourself just characterized lurking as reading the thread but not participating in it.
To clarify an earlier point, I can build a case on you if I wish, and if you dispute the case I will support it. But I need not repeat that you're tunneling until I'm blue in the face. I have said my piece. Asking for more because you don't like it is not good play.Yes, the prod attempt was stupid and probably the only good justification for characterizing me as tunneling you have. Next please?
YouAs I mentioned, this is true, insofar as in this regard I was partly tunneling. Next?werenotpartlytunneling, you are entirely tunneling. At this point you're not asking for better evidence, you're asking for more evidence. This is even worse.
Unfortunately, I said I was reading players, not active players. The rest of this quote chunk falls apart without that.This is not tunneling. You said you read four players, but did not provide any commentary for the isos you did read, despite the fact that you apparently cleared them. You chose to read four isos that is apparently not me and not umbrage; excluding yourself and the lurkers, that's basically every active player in the game. But apparently asking you to share any thought on any player is tunneling.
Placing a vote on the player you tunnel does not make it any more acceptable.Very astute, and true, since that was is where my vote is.
You specifically chose me, and I am not the only player who fit that criteria. Because you're tunneling.If there is a player being ignored, then I tend to focus on them to draw them out.
You began before I posted. Chronological error.Although there are several players not posting much, some people were at least commenting on Xto. TBL and Quaroth at the time hadn't posted much, but the length of time still hadn't been that great, so I chose you since you also chose not to participate in RVS.
At least as in anywhere from partly to entirely.Your current criticisms are that I am tunneling. Very good, and as I mentioned, at least partly true.
You made a post recognizing the post but neither addressing it nor intimating that you had more on the way. I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt when this is your play so far.lolwat? You can go the whole game saying jack shit but you can't wait 10 seconds for me to type up my full response?-
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I know I'm not the first to say this, but why bring it up if you don't think it's relevant?Umbrage wrote:I'm not saying it's scum or town, it just looks odd.
Need to reread the rest of you v Con/you v Snake. It will probably feature this bait issue which at first glance concerns me. I don't like retroactively calling one's suspicious behaviors a town act of baiting.-
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As I read through other isos, player by player, I'm going to stop in between each and address the new material in the thread. You are the only other person posting right now. This is not complicated and yet you are doing your best to fail to grasp it.Krazy wrote:Ythan wrote:
Are you paying any attention you dolt.Krazy wrote:So are you going to ever address any player other than me or is this just going to be a quote war?
Read your own iso and show me a point where you say the name of a player that is not quoting a post of mine.-
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So the reason that you singled out that xtoxm (going to call this guy tom from here on out so I don't have to think about the x's every time I type his name) post was to look for reactions? Why that post? Why the way you did it? I want your thought process going into that comment.Umbrage wrote:I brought up the xotxm thing to see how people would react, let me get a feel for the people here. I really do doubt ConSpiracy's motives in asking me that question, but my vote on him was mainly to see how you reacted to a serious vote early in RVS. Just my little way of getting to know you.
I think Snake's question here was valid, but no answer.
Well, my questioning ConSpiracy's motives could only help move the game forward, so what's the problem?Snake Eyes wrote:I don't understand why you would immediately assume ConSpiracy had some ulterior motives, as asking questions in early game can only help move the game forward.
I don't think this was evident when you placed the vote.Ooh, quick to judge, are we? I'm voting you because you've contradicted yourself. See above. You seem desperate to stop RVS and get a wagon started.
Umbrage wrote:When I voted ConSpiracy, I made sure to let everyone know it was a serious vote. I was setting myself up as bait, and you bit.
Two explanatory posts for the xtoxm comment, I want these to be easy to find so I'm including them here. I find it odd that you say you wanted to see who would attack or defend him when you said you didn't find his behavior scummy in the first place. Also, the vote on Con was the same thing? That seemed different. It was an actual attack, wasn't it?Umbrage wrote:I threw out that bit about xtoxm because I wanted to see who would either attack him, or come to his aid. Snake did the latter. Same basic principle with the vote on you.
Don't mischaracterize this as going both ways. Krazy is the one who started shit in this thread and the one who kept it going.Umbrage wrote:Krazy, leave Ythan alone. Now. Keep your personal disputes out of this thread. I'm not having my game contaminated with your marital disputes. As of yet, I see no reason for a policy lynch. I do not see Ythan as lurking or otherwise not participating, at least not as much as some of the players here. You two better get along or replace out.-
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If you keep complaining about this nonsense I'm going to keep telling you to cry about it, k?Krazy wrote:I wanted you to take positions, you're taking positions, crisis averted.
I would say that my policy lynch vote on you should make sense by now without having to address the other game, but I know from experience that people can only really understand this by actually talking to you (which truly ironically, my policy lynch vote has apparently given everyone an excuse to not talk to you yet).-
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Different words mean different things. Shocking.Krazy wrote:Okay, you defined it that way. That changes my comment how?
Until you can make an intelligent explanation of how I'm tunneling or you're not I'm just going to post this face whenever you make a bare assertion to that effect, k?Ythan wrote:No, Ythan, you are COMPLETELY tunneling. I WAS only partly tunneling. Until you STOP tunneling you will continue to be COMPLETELY tunneling.
Tunnel harder and faster Ythan, please. You might not make it to China in time for tea, otherwise.
Lol no.Ythan wrote:I have explained why I continued to focus on you after the initial (mostly) random vote, and it was certainly partly because I know you have time to get into quote wars like this with me but refuse to even say the name of another player in the game unless they are responding to me.
Except you've been doing nothing but that since your first post. You going to say that's not the truth?I voted for you before you posted, this isn't the same as focusing on you before you posted.
I'm going to take this the direction the other game went and just cut through all this nonsense to call you a dumbass if you don't get on track and stop tunneling, Krazy.Glad to see you're not willing to give me the benefit of the doubt. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you would address other players other than me, and you STILL haven't done this, claiming that I'm trying to occupy too much of your time, when you refuse to address any other player than me. Honestly there is no evidence right now that you have read a single post in this game that did not have my name as a part of it. And then you mount your entire case against me on the basis that I am tunneling on you, saying I'm the only player that you have found interesting (but you apparently can't be bothered to read Umbrage's posts, only my commentary on them).-
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These two comments, in one post, seem to contradict each other. Additionally this is a long ass post with a poor way of referring to the posts in question. Please use quotes, and if you could do so to clarify the points you're still holding onto at this point in the game I would like that.Vordark wrote:13 - From iamusername. Something about this vote bugs me. RVS of someone with a vote already on them seems strange.
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16 - This is obviously trying to get a bandwagon going on the most viable person. It's a null tell for me on page one, but at least it gets people talking.-
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I'm unconvinced that Krazy is anything more than tunneling awfultown just like the last game we played. I'm going to give him a short while to calm down and address points made against him, particularly those disputing his empty case, because I've seen him play exactly like this as town very recently.
I am most likely to vote Umbrage right now, as he has the most of my outstanding questions, but those were made since his last post so I'm going to abstain for the moment.-
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It's a shame that you're astute enough to recognize that your joke of a (former) case is moot but not quite bright enough to see that you're still really dim when it comes to your perception of my play this game. It's almost as if you don't take in anything that I say. But I already overtly insulted you once tonight and that will be enough for now.-
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It's how the game naturally starts. Do you think I have a problem with it?ConSpiracy wrote:@ YthanThough I don't really like the RVS myself, don't you think there has to be one? I have played one game without a RVS and it started very lurky. The RVS starts discussion.
The past.DarthYoshi wrote:@Ythan: At what point can we expect your thoughts on individual players (aside from Krazy)?-
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Fuck.Vordark wrote:TheBigLebowski -> werewolf555?
I've explained pretty handily why Krazy's case is a load of crap. If you think any part of it should concern me then point it out. I'm not going to worry about his tunneling shitfit. It's not going to go anywhere because it's nothing but him acting like a child.Xtoxm wrote:I'm getting mostly town vibes from the more active players, with the sole exception of Ythan, whose reactions to the assault from Krazy look a bit too complacent for what I would expect from a townie.
TheBigLebowski wrote:He's actually my brother, and I forgot to log off before posting.
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Calling it sarcasm now. Yeah okay. And no, you cannot begin to hope to characterize your focus on me as an attempt to produce content. You're a horrible, shitty, tunneling VI, and you're doing nothing but creating noise. Obnoxious, terrible noise.Krazy wrote:Ythan wrote:You disagree with the reasoning and yet support the suspicion. Because you're an intense tunneler.
Your capacity to detect sarcasm never ceases to astound me. And are you still mad about the prod or what? "shitfit" = me asking you to post "content" and not just informing us that you're reading the isos of the V/LA players?
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I have not drawn myself into one argument. I think you might not be taking as good notes in this game as in whichever one you're talking about elsewhere. Krazy has done pretty much nothing in this game but suggest a policy lynch in his first post and then make up new reasons when he couldn't talk about an ongoing game, then spend nearly every post bitching at me.-
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In fact, Umbrage, I would not be so quick to suggest to the mod that a player be replaced for the offense of being an immature child.
Additionally, you are continuing to ignore what is actually going on. The lack of development in your complaints is evidence of that. Attention is on you for a reason, and it needs to be there because you are not doing enough to get out of the wagon on you.-
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I got the title of a game mixed up with another one. My bad. He refers to a specific post of his instead of answering questions. If he can show that he was mistaken about the post number I can see where he's coming from. I don't think so, though, although we've got shit to go on when all he does is give a post number.-
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Not exactly. I have no outstanding questions that have not been satisfactorily answered. I started my individual rereads pretty early in the game, and Umbrage was the only one who stuck out at me. I'm not particularly alarmed by anything going on at the moment from other players, at least not from a scummy-suspicion point of view.DarthYoshi wrote:@Ythan--do you have any suspects after Umbrage? If so, who and why?-
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It's not an answer, it's just turning the question back on the questioner.Vordark wrote:I read this as an answer. What sort of answer were you looking for here?
He said he wanted to see who would attack or defend the point, but he had not made an accusation. I can see the "Will someone attack him for this thing I said" side, although is itself a whole other can of worms, but the defense side not at all.This seems to indicate that who attacks or defends a person showing non-scummy behavior isn't useful. Can you explain what you meant by this?
It's like voting. Real world voting. The RVS stage produces content for me or other players to analyze, but me doing it myself isn't going to make much of a difference. It gets the game moving but if one or two players doesn't place a random vote it doesn't make a difference in my mind.ConSpiracy wrote:Well, I thought that, because you didn't want to participate in the RVS.
Why didn't you random vote then?-
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You are either incredibly dense or completely mischaracterizing other players.Krazy wrote:Instead of spamming paragraphs in Latin maybe you could make a case against him instead of begging and pleading with us to make your case for you.
Saying "hey guys this guy is scum because I say so" is not a contribution, sorry.-
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There is no content in this post. Why don't you like the wagon? What about me do you find scummy? What about anything is anything.Xtoxm wrote:Definitely not liking this Umbrage wagon, this is surely scum fueled. What i've seen of Vordark looks town, I like iam's succinctness and he's looking pro-town, so i'm thinking there is scum in {CS, SE, Ythan}. Will go with Ythan as my current top suspect, but I really need to read properly what I have only skimmed when I get a chance. I'll try and do this tomorrow.
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Exactly what variance? The post Krazy was addressing in the post I was addressing (your post) had a point. Tom's was a whole different kind of post and didn't have one. Problem?iamausername wrote:Ythan wrote:You are either incredibly dense or completely mischaracterizing other players.
Interesting how these two posts come together. I've hardly gone into a lot more detail on any of my reads than Xtoxm did in that post, so why such a variance in response, Ythan?Ythan wrote:There is no content in this post.
If the vote was for anti-town behavior and he ceased to exhibit anti-town behavior, why would you want the vote to stay?Here is the problem; you voted Krazy for being 'anti-town', not for being scummy. You've never given any opinion on Krazy's alignment; you voted him as a form of punishment for bad play, once he adjusted his play to fit more in line with your standards of good play, you rescinded that punishment. Did you decide that Krazy was probably town because he conformed to your standards? I don't know. I don't even know if you thought he was town in the first place.
Still completely devoid of content.Xtoxm wrote:Having taking a closer look at Ythan, he's not been as complacent as I had initially thought.
I'm left with CS, TBL, Abelcain and DarthYoshi as people who less appear to be acting with town motivations than everyone else.
Vote: DarthYoshi
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I find it hard to believe that you actually read the post that you were responding to and that is quoted above. That was not at all the message of my post.Regfan wrote:
@ Ythan, so you disagree with the concept of pressuring lurkers to post via voting them?Ythan: Krazy, you're not doing anything with Lebowski. You just picked out an arbitrary lurker to shift your vote to so you could pretend you're not tunneling. But moving your vote alone doesn't change anything. You're still a tunneling idiot.
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Regfan's wall post not make me feel any better about the Lebowski slot.
No. If you think there is, show me.iamausername wrote:Xtoxm's post does contain content. That's all I'm saying.
That may be what you think but that wasn't the point of your post. All your reads have to go on is the text. And to address this interpretation, it had a meaning. If it wasn't a suspicion vote, it still had meaning, and was removed at the appropriate time.You're totally missing the point. Whether or not the vote stays is irrelevent because the vote had no meaning.
You remove a pressure vote when the purpose of the pressure is alleviated.Note that DarthYoshi does not say he removed his vote because he no longer found Krazy scummy. DarthYoshi says he removed his vote because not doing so would have made him look bad.Duh.-
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