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neil1113 Mafia Scum
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511. Confirm.
So we're going against the Ugly Hairy Creatures, and the Dumb Mafia Dropouts that never got anywhere in life? Got it. This should be easy.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Can't you just look at it as though it's 4 Evil - 8 Good? 2 Mafia, 2 Werewolves, and 8 TownsMagnaofIllusion wrote:
I haven't mulled over specifics but probably even if it was all 'Not Werewolf' results. That said there is some level of difficulty in determining exactly when said day is since there are two discrete anti-Town factions.Wickedestjr wrote:I think it would also be a good idea for the seer to counterclaim if it is the day before LyLo as well. Am I wrong?mensheep? I think it'd be a lot easier to recognize that way, wouldn't it?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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3 Mafia??? Oh wow. So does that mean if Town loses two people, Mafia and Werewolves win? Or are Mafia and Werewolves going against each other too? If so, why exactly would make Ly-Lo? Sorry, I'm a little more new to this style.Wickedestjr wrote:@neil1113 - First of all, there are three Mafia, so five scum in total. Secondly, we can't consider them as one group, because the scum outnumbering town isn't necessarily a LyLo situation (e.g. 3 Mafia, 2 Werewolves, 4 Town).ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Yeah I think I've got it now Caboose. I just made the mistake not looking this up. Like I didn't realize that nobody has a kill either!ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Wait, but I also thought that the roles are random? So this couldn't actually be a probable concern.Twistedspoon wrote:I see no problem with voting now
VOTE: neil
first thing I'd do as mafia would be to get the knowledge of my own faction wrong
also, I remember you requesting in the open queue to be in a killing faction. That's evidence for both mafioso and werewolf and pretty good so far considering we haven't officially started yet
Also, 8 months on this site yes, but I've never played in a game with two Mafia's. I've played in Normal and in Newbie games. And yes, Werewolves do have kills. Sorry, I misspoke.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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neil1113 Mafia Scum
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This, for the record, is Emp's playing style. He posts short posts, no real cases, and hops on easy bandwagons. Just for future reference for all those in the game, I'm playing another game that's currently open with him in it, and he's following his meta playing style. Pushing him in that game to play with MORE words worked.. albeit slightly better (Posts went from: "vote:you" to "vote: you for rolefishing"), maybe it will in this game.Empking wrote:Vote: Neil
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neil1113 Mafia Scum
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Sloth,
Yes I do find votes with no explanations scummy (except obviously, when you're in the RVS stage)...
and Yes I do know that I'm wagoning. But there still needs to be 4 other votes before a lynch happens, so I'm not worried about a mislynch right now.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Ahem...MagnaofIllusion wrote:What’s the scum hunting purpose in this question?Nielexplicitly said that pushing (aka pressuring) Empking might produce more content. He was fully aware he was wagoning.NeilShowTotal Games Played:17
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neil1113 Mafia Scum
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I have not talked about on-going games. I simply mentioned I was IN on-going games. No rule about that?Empking wrote:Neil: Don't talk about on-going games.
If I read correctly, you're asking "What alignment is someone, who jumps on the largest wagon, while trying to discredit the person voting them?" And if I read correctly, this is your attempt at casting suspicion onto me? Unfortunately, I've explained why I'm on the wagon, so I didn't just "wagon" on the wagon. I had full intention before the game even began to vote you. When the wagon started forming, it already helped my original plans to start the day. And I'm not discrediting your case, as you have no case to discredit. In all reality, it's almostEmpking wrote:Everyone: What alignment is of afraid 1 (one) vote that they wagon the largest wagon and try and discredit the person voting them?impossibleto have a case when the person you're accusing has only posted 1 time before your post...ShowTotal Games Played:17
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I have a feeling I'm going to regret this conversation... VI Title is totally deserving here.
*sigh*. I have not talked about on-going games. I simply mentioned I was IN on-going games.Empking wrote:Yes there is. Its this rule:
Don't talk about on-going games.There is no rule where saying that you are participating in other games.And to prove it:
Mod: Is it against the rules to say you are participating in a game with someone? Or is the rule there to prohibit talk about the game activities INSIDE the game?
Next.
Empking wrote:When did I say that you were discrediting my case? Why the strawman?
In order to vote someone you must have a case. So essentially, to discredit you, would be to discredit your case. Also:Empking wrote:Everyone: What alignment is of afraid 1 (one) vote that they wagon the largest wagon and tryand discredit the person voting them?
Strawman Argument: A fallacy based on misrepresenting an opponent's position.
That was not misrepresenting. I'm discrediting you, therefore I'm discrediting your case (or lack thereof). I just skipped to the main point.
Next.
Can you ask a valid question? Or do you enjoy asking questions that cannot be answered? If you don't think I'm honest, say it. Don't dance around the issue. And unless you can give valid reasoning as to why I'd lie just to bandwagon on you, you really have nothing to base that opinion on and then you just begin tunneling. Which, on this occasion, is anti-town.Empking wrote:Ah, the well known fact that scum are always honest about their intent :roll:Could you get any scummier?
Next.
If I could, I would. I can't provide evidence to this. I simply stated a fact. Is that scummy too?Empking wrote:
So I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing evidence of that effect, would you?me wrote:I had full intention before the game even began to vote you.
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1. Trust me, I'm NOT afraid of your vote. 2. The largest wagon? 2 votes? Hmm. 3. IEmpking wrote:Everyone: What alignment is so afraid of 1 (one) vote that they wagon the largest wagon and try and discredit the person voting them? And then when called out for it just strawmnan the argument?triedto discredit you? So are you saying myattempt at discrediting youwas a lie? Prove to me that this isn't your Meta. And I'll prove to you that it is. It's not so hard to do on my side. I bet it is on yours. I didn't try to discredit you, I simply stated fact. And that fact, or should I say essentially, YOU, discredited yourself.
Next?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Funniest thing of it all, I was right. And unless you can prove that I was attempting to appeal to ones emotions, this is very wrong categorizing.Empking wrote:
Extremely scummy AtE.neil1113 wrote:I have a feeling I'm going to regret this conversation...
If you can name one time I've personally insulted you, feel free to call me out for Ad-Homing. Village Idiot is the only thing closest I can consider, and that's a MS Description of a MS Players Playing Style. Not a personal insult. If you can't see the difference, there's no point in discussing this any further.Empking wrote:So can I presume that you don't consider Ad Hom to be a logical fallacy?
I was emphasizing the lack of discussion you were actually producing, and how in your own words, you were just making "noise." Did I ever say it wasn't rhetorical, or hint that I didn't understand that?Empking wrote:This is scum simply making frustrating noise. Does anybody actually think that neil isn't familiar with the idea of rhetorical questions?
Wow. Not only did you not even give a valid response, but you accuse me of being scared and nervous? Hmm. Alrighty then. You show me one game where you've lead a leading wagon, and convinced others to jump on board, and then I'll listen. Otherwise, according to your Meta, I have nothing to be afraid of.Empking wrote:
You mean a valid reason like your being nervous of the single vote?Neil_1113 wrote:If you don't think I'm honest, say it. Don't dance around the issue. And unless you can give valid reasoning as to why I'd lie just to bandwagon on you, you really have nothing to base that opinion on and then you just begin tunneling. Which, on this occasion, is anti-town.
Funny how you seem to be doing the exact thing you accuse me of?Empking wrote:Yes. Essentialy you added noise for no other reason than you thought it would make you look town.
Like I said, prove to me I'm afraid, and I'll prove to you that I'm not. Burden of proof lies with the accuser, not the accused.Empking wrote:
So I'm sure you'll back that up with some evidence.Neil_1113 wrote:1. Trust me, I'm NOT afraid of your vote.
I didn't say that. Just shocked you'd make it out to be such a big wagon, when you're not really in danger of a lynch. And considering the circumstance, you seem to be the one fearful of the wagon, as you keep bringing it up! You're just hypocritical with your phrasings today aren't you?empking wrote:
You don't think it was the largest wagon.Neil_1113 wrote:2. The largest wagon? 2 votes? Hmm.
Again, no response. Again, just making noise. Again, hypocritical. Hmm.empking wrote:
LOLneil_1113 wrote: 3. Itriedto discredit you? So are you saying myattempt at discrediting youwas a lie? Prove to me that this isn't your Meta. And I'll prove to you that it is. It's not so hard to do on my side. I bet it is on yours. I didn't try to discredit you, I simply stated fact. And that fact, or should I say essentially, YOU, discredited yourself.
So you were just stating a fact with complete disinterest? Its sheer coincidence that the person you simply stated a fact about was the person voting you?
Why do I doubt that?
You can't accuse me of discrediting you because I pointed out your playing style? You discredited yourself. I just pointed it out. That's not my problem.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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I wasn't really bent out of shape, or angry, or upset with you? Just simply correcting you.MagnaofIllusion wrote:
That was a typo I missed. My mistake.Neil wrote:Ahem... Neil
That said if you are going to get bent out of shape with having your name spelled wrong on occasion here on MS you are probably in for lots of frustration.
Ah, see this is where I disagree. I believe I've done it before, and I've seen it done before, where this same issue was brought up, and it was agreed upon by the Mod that it was not a problem to be mentioning it? If it is a problem, I'm sorry and I'll stop. I don't mean to be rebellious to the rules. I just don't think the rule specifically talks about that, and if it does, why would mentioning someone you're in a game with matter to the game at hand? I could understood if I said "Yeah, this game in which I'm town/scum in was going on.." or gave any details of the game itself out, but just to mention the very game without giving away any details or anything? I just don't see the harm in it, that would warrant such a rule. That's why I asked the Mod.MagnaofIllusion wrote:
I’m not the Mod but I’ll answer – referencing any ongoing game of any sorts including mentioning who you are playing with are forbidden site-wide.Neil wrote:*sigh*. I have not talked about on-going games. I simply mentioned I was IN on-going games. There is no rule where saying that you are participating in other games.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Care to expound? Or do you just like stopping by, saying "one of these guys could be scum! Wait, maybe not?" and then leaving?twistedspoon wrote:if this game had only one scum faction I'd be tempted to say one of neil/empking/magna has to be scum after these interactions
It's funny how hard it is for you to comprehend a single sentence. Here, let me go into detail for you.Empking wrote:
Why did you say this?I have a feeling I'm going to regret this conversation...
1 (You're inability to actually make cases based off of your Meta) + 1 (You're Village Idiot playing style, again based off of your Meta and already proven here) + 1 (The idea of arguing with someone that doesn't usually make sense, and doesn't usually have valid points) = 3 (The idea that I'm probably going to regret conversing with the above description of a person.) I could've been wrong, sure! But, you've now proven me right.
Ad-Hom: An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person"), is an argument which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.Empking wrote:Misrep. (you can try to discredit somebody based off anything it need not be an insult.)
Which part of this conversation is an argument based off of a characteristic or belief that I have about you? Can you point that out? We have not been arguing the validity of your Meta, I've pointed it out, and you've shut up about it. You're problem, is that I'm seeing you scummy based on your response to it. But you seem to think I was convinced you were scum before the vote, and THAT'S why I voted.. The problem with this view, is that I already laid out why I voted for you. I never once call you scum, until you started responding. Then I started describing your actions as scummy.
Now just to be clear, you're accusing me of lying correct? Before I respond, I'd like to know what exactly you're accusation here is?Empking wrote:neil wrote:(What I actually said:) The largest wagon? 2 votes? Hmm.Empking wrote:(You taking it out of context:) You don't think it was the largest wagon.
What bull.neil wrote:(According to the context in which you quoted me:) I didn't say that.
Just a question: You think if you can catch us as scum, a few pages into the game, when it first starts, that we'd have a GOOD scum win rate? Really? What logical sense does that make? Are you really that much better then every other person we've ever played with, that you could catch us in such short notice? Think about it...Empking wrote:I can see why MOI has such a high scum win rate. Pretty clever plan of you two.
Lol Emp. You've yet to respond to my points. But 1. No, I was stating a fact for the purpose of this game, so that people have an idea of your playing style before you start with your VI tendencies. 2. No it's not sheer coincidence, it was funny coincidence, as my whole first post of the game concerning you, you happened to prove my point before I even posted it. So thanks. Now respond to my post, properly please?Empking wrote:So you were just stating a fact with complete disinterest? Its sheer coincidence that the person you simply stated a fact about was the person voting you?
Y or N?
Its not difficult.
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... "it was funny coincidence." I don't understand why you would ask which one it was? That's pretty clear?Empking wrote:No it's not sheer coincidence
Sheer means nothing anbd funny is irrelevant in this context. Which one was it?it was funny coincidence
Lol okay.Empking wrote:
1. You botched it.You think if you can catch us as scum, a few pages into the game, when it first starts, that we'd have a GOOD scum win rate?
2. MOI will still go on to win.
So you're not accusing me of lying. Okay.Empking wrote:
No I'm accusing you of deliberately trying to screw over the town by adding stuff like "?" so you can can say you didn't actually say something when we both knew what you meant.Now just to be clear, you're accusing me of lying correct? Before I respond, I'd like to know what exactly you're accusation here is?
I had no reason to "defend" myself, because you had (and still have) no case?Empking wrote:
You were pretty clear that you poisoning the well against me in order to defend yourself.Which part of this conversation is an argument based off of a characteristic or belief that I have about you?
P-Edit: I've already addressed that question. Twice now.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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I'm going to pull a question out of your book now. You think it's coincidence that the two people you're just "so absolutely sure" are scum that you're ready to go tell the world, are the two that are pushing the hardest on your wagon?Empking wrote:Twisted: All multiple scum teams means it that while neil and MOI are still ceratainally scum, I may be part of the other scum team.
"Why is it I don't believe that?"ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Sorry, mis-spoke. Only addressed it one time... in the only post I had since you posted that. Ironic you said I was specifically ignoring it, as though I had skipped over it multiple times. The first post I did in response to you I addressed it:
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It's funny how hard it is for you to comprehend a single sentence. Here, let me go into detail for you.Empking wrote:
Why did you say this?I have a feeling I'm going to regret this conversation...
1 (You're inability to actually make cases based off of your Meta) + 1 (You're Village Idiot playing style, again based off of your Meta and already proven here) + 1 (The idea of arguing with someone that doesn't usually make sense, and doesn't usually have valid points) = 3 (The idea that I'm probably going to regret conversing with the above description of a person.) I could've been wrong, sure! But, you've now proven me right.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Seriously? I'll break down my answer for you then.Empking wrote:
Now can you answer this?Empking wrote:
I think you deliberately refused to answer this. I've bolded it now so you can give it another go.Empking wrote:
Why did youI have a feeling I'm going to regret this conversation...this?say
Twisted: All multiple scum teams means it that while neil and MOI are still ceratainally scum, I may be part of the other scum team.
= This is a reason in which why I1 (You're inability to actually make cases based off of your Meta)SAIDit.
= This is another reason, in which I+ 1 (You're Village Idiot playing style, again based off of your Meta and already proven here)SAIDit.
= This is... can you guess? If you guessed another reason in which I said it, you'd be correct!+ 1 (The idea of arguing with someone that doesn't usually make sense, and doesn't usually have valid points)
And this, is the conclusion in which why I would regret it. Simple enough for you? Or do you want to ask it for a 4th time?= 3 (The idea that I'm probably going to regret conversing with the above description of a person.) I could've been wrong, sure! But, you've now proven me right.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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@Mod: Thank you, my points been proven.
Emp: You're purposely playing as a joke aren't you? My "outrageous" AtE which by the way, you conveniently ignored when I asked you to prove that it was an AtE, and refusing to answer a question, in which I've now answered twice, given you the post in which I answered once, and even went into specific detail, breaking down the post for you so you can understand? I think you're purposely playing as a joke and I have no desire to continue this.
Now I'm completely confident in my vote for this anti-town character.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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I didn't comment on your play in THAT game specifically. I commented on your play in general, while in the same context, saying I was in a game with you. That's your Meta, so people can easily assume if that's how you play normally, that's how you're playing in my game too. And that's how you're obviously playing here, with your pathetic attempt at making cases.Empking wrote:
Really? Do you just not care about your point (which was there so you could fake-distance from MOI) or did you fail to see "or people's play in that game"?neil1113 wrote:@Mod: Thank you, my points been proven.
This is why I don't make much effort in my response to you. Because you have no case to respond to. When you can point out which is the appeal to emotion, and how it's appealing to said emotion, then we'll talk. You've yet to do it the first time I asked, or the second time I asked, so I don't really expect you to do it here either.Empking wrote:AtE, AtE, AtE.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Now you're just trying (failing) to get me frustrated. That's cool. Once you're lynched and flip scum, I'll be getting the last laugh in this game though.Empking wrote:I'll give you a hint: You see that box above the abbreviation AtE which has some of your words in it? Those words are the AtE.
Also, what happened to "I think you're purposely playing as a joke and I have no desire to continue this."? You weren't just saying it for sympathy, were you!?!ShowTotal Games Played:17
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You may presume what you'd like.Empking wrote:
Can I presume by your refusal to answer the question that you were just playing for sympathy? I can I presume that you still are by your obviously insincere comments?neil1113 wrote:
Now you're just trying (failing) to get me frustrated.Empking wrote:I'll give you a hint: You see that box above the abbreviation AtE which has some of your words in it? Those words are the AtE.
Also, what happened to "I think you're purposely playing as a joke and I have no desire to continue this."? You weren't just saying it for sympathy, were you!?!ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Does anyone else find it particularly hard to understand Emp sometimes?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Please tell me everyone else realizes that everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him? Ugh, this is sad. Deity, it'd be nice though if you read through the cases, read through his posts, and developed your own, unique case...ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Empking wrote:neil1113 wrote:Please tell me everyone else realizes that everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him?
You mean like Wicked?
Muffin: What do you think of neil's insistence that he challenged me before I voted him? Kind of makes it clear that he's scum, right?
So now you're trying to buddy with Muffin and get him on your side? Lol.
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Empking wrote:neil1113 wrote:Empking wrote:neil1113 wrote:Please tell me everyone else realizes that everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him?
You mean like Wicked?
Muffin: What do you think of neil's insistence that he challenged me before I voted him? Kind of makes it clear that he's scum, right?
So now you're trying to buddy with Muffin and get him on your side? Lol.
Its called scumhunting and getting reads on people. Maybe you'd like to try it?
And I'm not insisting that I challenged you before you voted for me? When have I said that?
Wicked: What do you think of neil's habit of writing statements where everything is implied rather than said and as such gives him plausible deniability?
MOI: What do you think about the fact that neil doesn't seem to have any desire to scumhunt?
Lol. Wow. Enough said. I've caught scum. You. You're intentionally leading with your questions, putting a thought into their mind by telling them a view, rather then pointing out facts and asking their opinion of an actual fact. What reason would a townsman have to do this?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Empking wrote:1. Hopping onto a wagon is the same thing as catching scum nowadays? That's new.
2. There is only one scum in this game, is there?
1. Developing a wagon, and finding that person to be scummy, yes. RVS votes, into an ACTUAL wagon, yes. Catching scum amongst the midst of that like you, yes. It's catching scum.
2. Of course not, but because you continue to misrep and continue this dreaded attempt at making me look scummy by twisting and stretching things about me, nobody else has really said anything. So until people start getting involved, I can't get reads or question anyone else? So until then, I'll continue to further the case of how scummy you are, by watching your scum-tells that you're releasing by the bucket.
Empking wrote:You're intentionally leading with your questions, putting a thought into their mind by telling them a view, rather then pointing out facts and asking their opinion of an actual fact.
Care to give an example?
Sure... let's see.
From most recent:
cj: Scum only care about finding one mis-lynch a day. neil only want to find one player that he wants to be lynched. What are your thoughts on that?
Prove that I have ever said "I only want to find one player lynched"? Hint, you can't because I haven't said that. Nobody else has talked, like I pointed out above. So until then, you're the scummiest, therefore I'm gunning for you. When people start talking, my reads will start growing of everybody else.
What do you think about the fact that neil doesn't seem to have any desire to scumhunt?
Since when was I not scum hunting? I'm scum hunting, and I'm finding you scummy. Just because I'm scum hunting and my current focus is YOU doesn't mean I'm not scum hunting.
What do you think of neil's habit of writing statements where everything is implied rather than said and as such gives him plausible deniability?
"Statements." Key word. Give me two times in which I've implied something, and not said it straight up? Otherwise, you're leading.
What do you think of neil's insistence that he challenged me before I voted him? Kind of makes it clear that he's scum, right?
I called you out on this earlier, and you gave me no response. Show me one example in which I've stated I challenged you before you voted me?
And then the beginning:
What alignment is so afraid of 1 (one) vote that they wagon the largest wagon and try and discredit the person voting them? And then when called out for it just strawmnan the argument?
Where have I said that I was afraid of your vote? Where did I say I was trying to discredit you? Examples?
Come to think about it, 99.9% of your questions have been leading, as I've shown above. Show me one question you've asked, concerning me, that has not been leading? And before you do that, please answer the questions above? Don't just dance around them like you did last time I asked you to show proof?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Empking wrote:neil1113 wrote:1. Developing a wagon, and finding that person to be scummy, yes. RVS votes, into an ACTUAL wagon, yes. Catching scum amongst the midst of that like you, yes. It's catching scum.
MOI's vote on me was random?
Was it not? That's what I have it down as in my notes?
Empking wrote:Neil_1113 wrote:2. Of course not, but because you continue to misrep and continue this dreaded attempt at making me look scummy by twisting and stretching things about me, nobody else has really said anything. So until people start getting involved, I can't get reads or question anyone else?
So you're using the question mark trick again.
Lol. Yes. You use question marks when you ask a question. I was asking you, until people start getting involved, I can't get reads or question anyone else, do you oppose that? Can you develop reads on people who say nothing?
Empking wrote:Neil_1113 wrote: So until then, I'll continue to further the case of how scummy you are, by watching your scum-tells that you're releasing by the bucket.
Pointless noise and rhetoric.
Pointless? I told you how scummy you're being, and you would call it pointless? Noted.
Neil_1113 wrote:cj: Scum only care about finding one mis-lynch a day. neil only want to find one player that he wants to be lynched. What are your thoughts on that?
Prove that I have ever said "I only want to find one player lynched"?
Empking wrote:So you didn't respond to an accusation of you not scumhunting by saying "Lol. Wow. Enough said. I've caught scum. You."? Is that what you're saying?
No, I said prove to me where I only want to find one player that I want to lynch? I found you out as scum, so I want you lynched. But how does that imply you're the ONLY person I want lynched, and I don't want to hear from anyone else? You've failed at this example.
Neil_1113 wrote:What do you think about the fact that neil doesn't seem to have any desire to scumhunt?
Since when was I not scum hunting? I'm scum hunting, and I'm finding you scummy. Just because I'm scum hunting and my current focus is YOU doesn't mean I'm not scum hunting.
Empking wrote:Other than rhetoric and plays for sympathy what have you actually said about me?
I asked you to prove me wrong. Prove to me that I have done no scum hunting? Hint hint, you can't. You fail at your response here, as well.
Neil_1113 wrote:What do you think of neil's habit of writing statements where everything is implied rather than said and as such gives him plausible deniability?
"Statements." Key word. Give me two times in which I've implied something, and not said it straight up? Otherwise, you're leading.
Empking wrote:"Please tell me everyone else realizes that everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him?" and your "Biggest wagon?"
Biggest Wagon, I had something implied yes. Your first example, I was honestly asking a question. Again, that's what you do when you ask a question. You include a question mark. You fail at THIS example as well.
Neil_1113 wrote:What do you think of neil's insistence that he challenged me before I voted him? Kind of makes it clear that he's scum, right?
I called you out on this earlier, and you gave me no response. Show me one example in which I've stated I challenged you before you voted me?
Empking wrote:That was your implied vs stating trick.
Or in other words, you took words that I did not say, and assumed them to be my opinion, while in reality you have no proof that this is indeed what I was implying? Scummy much? Town find scummy things about people, not twist things and make things up in order to FIT their idea of that person being scum. You fail at this example.
Neil_1113 wrote:What alignment is so afraid of 1 (one) vote that they wagon the largest wagon and try and discredit the person voting them? And then when called out for it just strawmnan the argument?
Where have I said that I was afraid of your vote? Where did I say I was trying to discredit you?
Empking wrote:This is ridiculous. You didn't say it therefore it can'ty be true. I vote you and in order to discredit me you call me a lousy player (And we know its an attempt to discredit me because you later tried to pretend it was just a coincidence.)
You stated it as a fact. You can't prove it. Simple enough. And what do you mean, we all know? You're the only one that has made such implications. And as the town's leading wagon, you have no position to be speaking for us. I told you I had no intention in discrediting you. You discredited yourself.
The fact is, you cannot prove any of your leading questions, and I gave you a chance. You had 5 chances, and you only even came CLOSE to giving an actual answer to one of them. The rest were "I thought" or "You implied" or "I assumed" yet you couldn't quote a single post of mine to back up your leading questions. What townie would do that? I'm struggling so hard to see the possibility of you being town, but with every post you convince me otherwise. You've stretched, you've lied, you've been deceitful, and you've implicated things about me that just simply are not true. Things that you can't prove one way or another, and things that you can only say "Well think about it, he COULD POSSIBLY mean..." You have a crap case on me. You had a crap case on him. You are not a town leader, and you are scum. If this doesn't prove it, I don't know what would. I asked you for proof, you came up with none. You were left wanting, and hanging onto nothing. You have no case. You have no position to argue. You have no vote that would actually intimidate me. Good day sir, and prepare to be lynched.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Empking wrote:So "Please tell me everyone else realizes that everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him?" was not you implying that everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him?
Lol this is a joke right? I flat out stated that. If anything I implied that I'd like someone other than you to tell me I'm wrong for once about you. But saying "everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him" MEANS "everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him" despite how I say "everyone who challenges Empking is called scum by him."
Empking wrote:No, I said prove to me where I only want to find one player that I want to lynch?
So you want multiple people lynched today? How many?
Again, the burden of proof is on you, not me. Don't ask me questions, prove what you've already stated. My point is, that you can't.
Empking wrote:Neil_1113 wrote:I asked you to prove me wrong. Prove to me that I have done no scum hunting? Hint hint, you can't. You fail at your response here, as well.
Mind answering the question though? (Without reference to your latest post?)
Again, you're not proving anything. You're asking questions. You've already made your statements, so prove to me BEFORE the statements, that they were accurately backed by MY posts? Otherwise, stop wasting this space and stop distracting the town. You're already scum, let the others have a chance to talk so we can get some more reads.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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DeityKabuto wrote:Empking wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:Empking wrote:
What attacks against me? From neil? Because I don'tr remember reading any from that direction.
Provide one example of where I solely tried to defend myself, should be that difficult should it
What is the point?
If I take the time to provide an example, where will we get? Nowhere.
Meh. I just hopes everyone takes not of your recent actions.
What do you mean? XD
I believe he meant you're acting really scummy, and he's hoping everyone takes note of it.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Guys, I would step back and think about where you place your votes. Empking, I'm going to re-ISO you without my biased and see what my read will come of you. I'm sorry that I've brought on this argument where it's mostly my Biased opinions causing me to see everything you do as scummy. And when it is, I don't even think about the possibility that it could just be misguided townie.
I also want to ISO Deity, except his only posts are concerning Emp. I don't think he warrants much of a ISO, or a concern... not saying he reads town for me though. I can definitely see him being scum.
I'm not sure any cases on Sloth or Hez, but Twisted I can definitely see the case for. He's probably my 2nd scum town read. Unfortunately, he also was the only other person to call me out as scummy, so I want to ISO him again without any biased.
I'd like to see Caboose contribute more to this game. Deliver a read, and pressure them? Same goes for Hez and CJ. Matter of fact, CJDrum has been nearly silent this game. Come on CJ, post!
To clarify, what I'm currently going to be doing is ISOing Twisted, and Empking again. My #1, and #2 reads before I ISO them are Emp and Twisted.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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After ISOing both Emp and Twisted, I'm still completely satisfied with my read on Emp. I do incredibly believe him to be scum. So he's going to stay as my #1 vote.
However, I'm also leaning Twisted as scum as well. I've ISO'd him, and Twisted could you start posting more and giving us more content in this game? Unfortunately I've gotten to know your scum Meta pretty well, and I'm starting to see some... similarities that are starting to bother me. Starting off with your seemingly lack at scum hunting.
Wicked, what about our fight makes you think we're both townies? I ask because we both have very different views of each other, and apparently I'm not the only one who thinks that about Emp, so how can you really see Emp's responses and consider him to be town? That's the question I'm really asking.
Deity, what's your actual opinion/case on Emp?
Hes Lucky: What makes you think our posts we're specifically spam? Are you addressing that to both of us, or is it more of a one-sided thing? And I'd highly recommend you not just "skip" through them, but look at Emp and look at his responses, and then tell me how you can possibly see him as town after it's all said and done? I can't.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Wow... I really have nothing to say here. Empking, you're really not making this game fun. I'm almost positive you'll flip as Mafia and not Werewolf, because of your slip up earlier. You knew we weren't Mafia, because you're Mafia and you know we're not your buddies. Now onto who are your buddies? I'm guessing TS is Werewolf, since you made an effort to call him scum as well.. and I'm still not sure who KD is...ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Regfan wrote:neil113 wrote: I also want to ISO Deity, except his only posts are concerning Emp. I don't think he warrants much of a ISO, or a concern... not saying he reads town for me though. I can definitely see him being scum.
Let me get this right. You want to ISO Deity, you don't think ISO'ing him is worthwhile but you can see him as scum? That makes no sense whatsoever and screams of an attempt to seem as if you've scumhunting.
Unvote: TwistedSpoon
Vote: Neil113
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure which of this seems to come from scum motivation, therefore I don't know how to adequately defend myself? Twisted hasn't really posted anything of value that I remember seeing (which his ISO proved when I did ISO him), and so I was posting my thought process. I didn't think I'd find much from TS, therefore I was stating I don't think he causes reason for a concern because I've noticed a band wagon forming on him and I didn't find him to be lynch-worthy when you have scum like Emp in the game? That's what I was trying to clarify with that post. The last bit was me clarifying that I wasn't calling him town for lurking, and he could indeed be found scummy, but when you have someone like Emp in the game and you can only lurk at Twisted? That seems kind of blatantly ignorant to me.
Emp, I still don't understand what you're asking? What specifically do you want to know from that question, what's the point in asking me this question, and why do you only choose to clarify when everyone ELSE calls you scummy, but not when I asked originally? When I asked you blew it off, and called me scummy. Are you now prepared to explain?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Regfan wrote:Empking wrote:A counterexample does not discredit the entire thing. I've seen people fake claim as town does that mean that fake claiming isn't a scum tell?
This is correct, however your argument for MoI being mafia seesms to highly hinge on his defence of Neil rather than much else.
Neil1113 wrote: 'm sorry, but I'm not sure which of this seems to come from scum motivation, therefore I don't know how to adequately defend myself? Twisted hasn't really posted anything of value that I remember seeing (which his ISO proved when I did ISO him), and so I was posting my thought process.
You didn't even take the time to read the post I quoted of you? It never mentioned TS, not once, the post was about your suspicion of Deity. I'm feeling comfortable with my vote right now.
HezLucky - Can you attempt to explain what you mean by "Makes me feel uncomfortable", which part of MoI's #8 and Empkings #6 seem off?
That post was intended for TS. Not Deity. That's my mistake. I thought I clarified it.
Emp, I've grown tired of arguing with you. It gets nowhere. You can answer my questions, or not. You're choice. If you really want an answer, you can explain what you mean. Otherwise, continue to make your stretches and call me scum. I could care less what you say at this point concerning me.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Regfan wrote:Neil - If you have already clariffied it my fault, do you mind linking me to the post you did so though?
I looked with zeal for that post, and then realized I never posted it. I don't know why I didn't post it, but now I feel like an idiot. I never clarified it, therefore your vote is understandable. I can't really defend either, except by saying sorry? That sucks.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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@Muffin:
So you do believe Empking to be scummy? Yet you believe Twistedspoon to be more confirmed scum in your mind? Why is this?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Regfan wrote:Not feeling as bad about Twisted as I was earlier as well, his slight-town read on MoI rather than an attempt to throw dirt elsewhere reads as a town-tell. Neil dropped of activity wise thefirst second that pressure was released.
Lol. What pressure?
twistedspoon wrote:to side with my gut I'd be voting kabuto or neil; both of who's flip I would be extremely interested in
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EBWOP:
twistedspoon wrote:to side with my gut I'd be voting kabuto or neil; both of who's flip I would be extremely interested in
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zMuffinMan wrote:@Empking,
Have youdropped your case on neilor do you just think DK is scummier at the moment?
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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Neil– Having read a sufficent amount of his posts after the game started I’m not believing his “Ooops, didn’t know about the set-up” pre-game persona. He’s clearly capable of complex discourse and responses. That clearly doesn’t jibe with what was presented pre-game.
I don't know what to say? It's your opinion.. I really didn't know. I wasn't playing ignorant.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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zMuffinMan wrote:@Empking
Can s0omebody provide an example of where I've asked a leading question?
... While I don't personally have a problem with your questioning style, you do it pretty much every time you ask a question.
So, you're saying that asking leading questions aren't scum-motivated techniques, so you don't have a problem with them?
DeityKabuto wrote:HezLucky is scum, his large post. That is really Anti-Town, he is against quite a few people (suspects), and there can't be that many scum. I want him lynched as well as Empking.
I find this reasoning less then satisfactory. Can you explain why a large post is Anti-Town, and why not trusting EVERYONE in the game is scummy?
Empking wrote:See this clearly isn't what you think. You're well aware that OMGUS is when somebody votes you for the sole reason that you voted them. I made it perfectly clear that I felt the reason why neil voted me was because
1. I was the biggest wagon.
2. Neil was afraid of my vote.
Neither of those two reasons is OMGUS.
Except 1. You were hardly a wagon at that time, let alone continuously describing yourself with such large adjectives like "biggest" and "largest." I find those terms leading others to assume something about your wagon that wasn't necessarily true. And 2. I was NOT afraid of your vote. I already explained why NOBODY should be afraid of your vote in this game, so you'd turn around and accuse ME of being afraid of it? Lol.
Also, you asked for proof about asking leading questions, and then stated afterwards that everyone has "shut up" when you asked them for proof. I have you 5 examples of proof. You just don't man up to your own lacks. By the way, happy birthday.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Empking wrote:Was I thelargestwagon with one more vote then the other wagon? Yes or no.
Yes.
Empking wrote:And we can just take your word for it?
Nope, we can take your meta for it.
Empking wrote:Scumday.
Can you quote the examples for me? (Orv tell me which post of your's it was?)
I said happy birthday, and you said scumday? Did you just admit you're scum?
And no, I won't requote to you the examples. You can ISO me if you really care, but I'm not going to go back and forth with you again. Twice now you've promised it would be your "last post of the day" yet you're still insisting with your petty, pointless, scum-filled, ridiculous posts that push people into stupid little arguments when there is no need.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Yes Wicked, Muffin... please vote me because this post doesn't exist!
See Emp? You're scum. I have one page of ISO and that's all you'd have to go through to see this post. Conveniently you've overlooked it. You're going to be lynched today Emp, because you're scum. And why do you keep asking people to do things, like quoting things to "everybody"... You're not in any position to be requesting ANYBODY to be doing ANYTHING.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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^^ Lol okay. Have a nice day.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Wicked wrote:I agree with what Regfan had to say regarding this. It looks really bad. His response doesn't make any sense to me either.
My response doesn't make sense? What do you not understand?
IknowtheMuffinMan! wrote:Uh... I don't really see how asking leading questions is necessarily a scum-motivated technique.
What's the point of asking leading questions in your opinion?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Empking, a Seer? The one role in the game the town would want in this game? Really? Oh gosh. Either fate has royally screwed the town over, or Emp is fake-claiming. With that in my mind:
UNVOTE: Emp
Empking wrote:Can we lynch Neil now?
Why would you want to lynch me? Do you have a case that you can present? If not, move on and stop tunneling the two people who almost had you lynched.
If Emp is the seer (and all will be told tonight, there's no way the werewolves are going to leave Emp alive when he has a chance to cut their team in half by two), I must agree there absolutely HAS to be scum on his wagon. So we have:
MagnaofIllusion, neil1113, DeityKabuto, cjdrum, HezLucky, Sloth
Out of the following, I can really only see Hezlucky, and DeityKabuto as scummy in this scenario. CJ seems to just be absent from the game, with no real imput, and Sloth had very valid reason for his vote. I don't like the WIFOM scenario HezLucky created with his unvote, and I've understood that HezLucky has seem to had little to no pressure this day, skating by with a "get out of jail free" pass and nobody's really giving him any pressure. So with that said:
VOTE: HezLucky
What's your case on Deity? (and yes, I know this is asking you to restate things.) Why are you not so quick to jump on the others on the wagon, like myself, Magna, or Sloth? (Again, leaving CJ out purposely due to lurkers mentality...)ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Sloth wrote:Hm, I think I get it.
UNVOTE: Empking
Why are you not voting for anyone? Do you have any cases? Anything to contribute at all? What do you think of Emp's response?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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neil1113 wrote:Wicked wrote:I agree with what Regfan had to say regarding this. It looks really bad. His response doesn't make any sense to me either.
My response doesn't make sense? What do you not understand?
Wicked you seem to have missed my question, so I quoted it for you to respond to. Now my2nd timeasking. I do hope you wouldn't make me have to keep repeating myself?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Wicked wrote:Well you were talking about a different player which I didn't understand until you clarified it later. But even once I understood that, your explanation still didn't make sense. Not because it was necessarily illogical, but simply because I didn't understand what you were trying to say or if it was even relevant to the point against you. Could you explain it again in a bit more detail?
Gladly.
My Original Post wrote:I also want to ISO Deity, except his only posts are concerning Emp. I don't think he warrants much of a ISO, or a concern... not saying he reads town for me though. I can definitely see him being scum.
My Correction to Reg wrote:That post was intended for TS. Not Deity. That's my mistake. I thought I clarified it.
My Explanation wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm not sure which of this seems to come from scum motivation, therefore I don't know how to adequately defend myself? Twisted hasn't really posted anything of value that I remember seeing (which his ISO proved when I did ISO him), and so I was posting my thought process. I didn't think I'd find much from TS, therefore I was stating I don't think he causes reason for a concern because I've noticed a band wagon forming on him and I didn't find him to be lynch-worthy when you have scum like Emp in the game? That's what I was trying to clarify with that post. The last bit was me clarifying that I wasn't calling him town for lurking, and he could indeed be found scummy, but when you have someone like Emp in the game and you can only lurk at Twisted? That seems kind of blatantly ignorant to me.
So I don't repeat myself, care to show me where you seem to be lost with my explanation above? I don't really see how you can not understand me here? I'm pretty clear in my explanation. I think now that you'll read them how I said them, you'll understand them just fine. The problem is, I don't think you've actually read my posts, and are just looking to cast suspicion that isn't there, onto me and make me look suspicious by branching off someone else's case, which has already been cut down if I'm not mistaken. And here's with the problem comes, because if you say you did read that and understand now then this post of yours:
Wicked wrote:I also don't like the quote from him that Regfan pointed out where it looks like he is trying to appear like he's scumhunting.
shows me you aren't actually reading my posts.
Now the main part of your case, is actually quite interesting to me. The interesting part is how this:
My Post wrote:I don't like the WIFOM scenario HezLucky created with his unvote, and I've understood that HezLucky has seem to had little to no pressure this day, skating by with a "get out of jail free" pass and nobody's really giving him any pressure.
Became this:
Wicked's interpretation of my post wrote:So, the reasoning boils down to:
1. HezLucky's unvote created a WIFOM scenario. I really don't like this reason. First of all, there isn't any WIFOM that I can see. Secondly, HezLucky was unvoting Empking, the claimed seer. Why would a player continue trying to get the seer lynched or why wouldn't they switch their vote? Finally, this reason is weak even if it was correct, because scum would have no motivation to do what neil is accusing him of doing with this point.
2. He wants to pressure HezLucky. Firstly, a pressure vote isn't very effective when you say it is a pressure vote. This just looks like scum giving themselves room to backpedal so they can later say "But it was just a pressure vote" when attacked for it. Secondly, the key word is "nobody's" (I've underlined it). With such a close deadline, it doesn't make any sense for neil to be voting HezLucky considering he doesn't have anybody else voting him.
I'll answer it accordingly:
#1.1: "There isn't any WIFOM that I can see"
Mafia Wiki states: "WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that his behavior would be subject to scrutiny." A more simpler explanation from Epic Mafia: "a play characterized by an infinite regress of reverse psychology."
Mr. Lucky wrote:I don't think Empking is a werewolf because it would be really really dumb for the wolves to sacrifice "half their members" on Day One. (then again, maybe that's his only choice?)
Are you blind then? Or purposely ignorant to follow through with your desire to make me look scummy, no matter how far from the truth it really is?
#1.2: "Why would a player continue trying to get the seer lynched or why wouldn't they switch their vote? "
First of all. When did I ever mention my vote there because he didn't want to lynch the seer? Secondly, in the main points that I gave to my vote, where in that did I ever mention my suspicion there because of his unvote specifically, and not because of the WIFOM that was stated in his unvote? This point sir, is irrelevant. Or in other words, fluff to further your suspicions in a... less then sufficient way, to put it nicely.
#1.3: "Finally, this reason is weak even if it was correct, because scum would have no motivation to do what neil is accusing him of doing with this point."
Why would scum have no motivation to use WIFOM to get them in a comfortable position of not voting anyone, and thus not initially causing any suspicion onto themselves? In fact I understand the burden of proof is on me, so I'll show you why. 1. It creates a comfortable position for them to lurk, by not voting anyone. 2. It creates a position in which they aren't really voting anyone, so they don't have any big stances they need to defend, which means people's eyes won't exactly be focused on them.
#2.1: "a pressure vote isn't very effective when you say it is a pressure vote. This just looks like scum giving themselves room to backpedal so they can later say "But it was just a pressure vote" when attacked for it."
Considering there's two points you're attempting to make here, I'll address them with letters. 2.1a. Since when was a pressure vote any less effective the minute you say it is? It's still a vote, that can still lead to a lynch, in which can still lead to ultimate death in whatever game you're in? The only difference is, you know it's a pressure vote. It doesn't mean I'm going to remove it now, because you're not responding. If anything, if you don't respond to my accusations, or ignore me, it'll cause me to push even harder. In fact, coming from a Psychology background, that's human nature. We hate being ignored. Care to argue this too? 2.1b. It looked like I was giving myself room to backpedal? Explain to me this. 1. Why would I need to backpedal? 2. Why would I get attacked for it?
#2.2: "the key word is "nobody's" (I've underlined it). With such a close deadline, it doesn't make any sense for neil to be voting HezLucky considering he doesn't have anybody else voting him."
To rephrase this to make it... more accurate to my actual statement, we'd say "With such a close deadline, it doesn't make any sense for Neil to be pressuring an appearing active lurker that isn't being pressured by anyone else." With this, I ask: Why? A deadline is approaching... so what? It's not here. It's still 6 days away. If I want to pressure someone for a few more days, what's wrong with that? Basically, I'm scummy because I'm not specifically following the crowd and instead I'm going on my own intuition? (See, I can speculate a completely unrelated reason too!)
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HezLucky wrote:- Neil is unvoting me for unvoting Empking, yet he is doing the same thing. Inconsistent and erases any town read I had on him.
I'm not unvoting you because of your unvote specifically. Others unvoted as well. I've already clarified this if you've bothered to read my posts.
HezLucky wrote:I am noting Neil's metadefense (#145) of Twisted here for later. Not giving anyone any points for this, but when someone flips it will be
worth revisiting.
What? I didn't defend him, I called him possible scum. Are you seriously not reading my posts? I find it ironic that according to your baseless accusations that are stretching at the least, you're now coming from a mindset it seems like of "Oh my gosh, he voted for me. Now I'm going to view him as scum, or at least scummy!" Which I believe you now have a case of the unfortunate, weak based no defense case of the "OMGUS" virus. You might want to get that checked out.
Regfan wrote:Post #298 by Neil113, are you honestly attemping to paint his 'scumday' as him being scum?
... No.
Reg wrote:Post #339 by Neil113.(1) In what way does 'Absent from the game' mean less likely to be scum?If anything wouldn't someone 'Absent from the game' be a much better lynch than not?(2) Neil113 - What is Sloths 'Very valid reason' for voting Empking?
#1. I did not say that. I said as far as people we (I) could focus on, it'd be MUCH more productive to focus on someone that can defend themselves, not someone that's absent from the game. Do you disagree?
#2.
It looked as though at least he had a reasoning behind his vote that I found valid.Sloth wrote:If he's not lynched today, I doubt that he'd live through the night with no kind of doc or JK in this setup.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Umbrage wrote:Twistedspoon (6) - zMuffinMan, Wickedestjr, Caboose, Sloth, MagnaofIllusion, Regfan (One vote away from lynch!)
Empking (2) - DeityKabuto, cjdrum
DeityKabuto (1) - Twistedspoon
neil1113 (1) - Empking
HezLucky (1) - neil1113
MagnaofIllusion (1) - HezLucky
Caboose will be prodded, although I'm sure I sent him a prod on the 6th, I don't see any record of it. Because of this, I'm removing the Friday deadline. Thanks for your patience.
Everyone else is safe from the Devil's wrath for the time being, no more prods.
Alright well considering the deadline is gone, does everyone agree that a Twistedspoon flip would really be the most beneficial thing for us?
Twisted, what confuses me is that you're at L-1, and have done close to nothing to defend yourself? Why? Have you given up, or do you just not care?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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DeityKabuto wrote:Well, we just lost our Seer, and I can't get anything from Empking's death. It was pretty obvious that everyone wanted him dead, but we can get something from the Townie we lynched, why the hell did you guys want TwistedSpoon dead anyways? I wanted Empking dead,he turned Pro-townie, but he wasn't helping much of the town at all,imho TwistedSpoon looked very innocent. I will be looking into who started TwistedSpoon's case and cast my vote on them.
How do you turn pro-town, but not be any help to town? This post looks absolutely like a fluff post with a forced reaction.
I can't believe Emp was actually the Seer, I have some suspicions as to who the Werewolves are while the game was at Night Phase. I speculate they would be Werewolves because of the blatant connection between the two of them, however they very well could have a Mafia partner that's just being silent or deliberately distant. But before I post anything specific, I believe my suspicions will be either confirmed or denied when one of the two people posts. Until that time, I'll wait to post them.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Regfan wrote:zMuffinMan wrote: That's an interesting statement, and I'm not actually sure what you're suggesting here (since it really doesn't make sense), or why you made this statement.
Lets go through the scenario, Currently there's 5 VT's, 3 Mafia and 2 Werewolves alive.
- If a VT gets lynched it becomes 4 VT's, 3 Mafia and 2 Werewolves alive.
- If a VT gets shot tonight it bcomes 3 VT's, 3 Mafia and 2 Werewolves alive.
This leads tommorow to having three possible scenarios:
Scenario 1: Vanilla Townie gets lynched.This leaves 2 Vanilla Townies, 3 Scum, 2 Werewolves.
In this position if the werewolves don't nightkill mafia the games over with the mafia winning.
Scenario 2: Werewolf gets lynched.This leaves 3 Vanilla Townies, 3 Scum, 1 Werewolves.
In this position if werewolves don't nightkill mafia the games over with the mafia winning.
Scenario 3: Scum gets lynched.This leaves 2 Vanilla Townies, 2 Scum, 2 Werewolves.
In this position if they kill a VT, it becomes impossible for town to win, meaning the final VT picks which allignment wins, something werewolves should want to avoid.
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Just a response to questions right now, currently working on my reads.
LynchMePls wrote:neil, what good is this line of questioning doing?
What good is you posting just to ask me this question doing? (Yes, I avoided the question to prove a point. If you didn't get it, I'll gladly explain it to you.)
HezLucky wrote:Neil #396 - you're right. I love to OMGUS. But given where you are on my suspect list (as of last post) that has nothing to
do with you.
OMGUS is very rarely a townie minded thing to do purposely in my experience.
Wicked's response to Muffin wrote:Why are you even questioning me about this? And if this is really something you find worth questioning, then why didn't you say something before I continued questioning you? FoS: MzMuffinMan I don't like this questioning at all. It looks like scum trying to deflect the attention on to me. Finally, I don't see where you are even going with this questioning.
If this doesn't look like scum paranoia, I don't know what is. You're overly defensive, and you appear to be trying hard to discredit the case and the person making the case.
LynchMePls's post here sums up HezLucky's posting so far this game in a very accurate description.
Wicked wrote:I just don't understand it.
1. Why did you say you want to ISO Twistedspoon, but then say you didn't think he warranted an ISO?
2. Why did you feel the need to ISO Twistedspoon if you didn't think he warranted a concern?
3. Why did you say you didn't think he warranted a concern despite also saying "I can definitely see him being scum." ?
1. My overall view of his posting up to that point, without the proper ISO, made me think he didn't have much content or posts to really look at. So I was saying I want to ISO him, though I'm not too sure if I'll find anything. Basically it was a "don't expect for me to come off the ISO with a hard view on him one way or the other.
2. I admit, I didn't mean that the way it sounds out of context. It was a "I can see Twisted being scum, indefinitely. I haven't ruled it out. However, for a Day 1 Lynch so far, I don't see what he's done that's warranted much of a concern up at that point for people to be considering him for a Day 1 lynch."
3. Explained above.
Wicked wrote:(1.) Uh... no. I read the post 20-30 times and I still didn't understand it.
(2.) I'm not going to ignore a possible point against you just because the player that brought it up stopped attacking you for it. (3.) Also, is there a problem with me "branching off someone else's case"?
1. Well thank you for attempting then.
2. This is a misrepresentation of my posts to you. I don't appreciate you stretching what I've said. Did I ever say, specifically or implementally, that you should ignore any posts, mine or not?
3. Yes, because you use their foundation for your case and it's very easy to create fluff cases, with no real content of your own. It's a scum tactic in my opinion, that gives you easy oppurtunity to look like you're scum hunting without much actual hunting on your part.
Wicked wrote:...because they could just say 'I'm unvoting because he claimed seer.' which is a perfectly acceptable reason. I think (from memory) a few players had also given this reason for unvoting prior to his unvote.
This is the problem with WIFOM, is that the only answer you can really give, is WIFOM. -__-
Wicked wrote:1: The whole point of a pressure vote is to get a better idea of the player's allignment. By saying it is a pressure vote, you are implying that you don't have a strong scum read on him, which is something he doesn't need to know. Why did you feel the need to say that it is a pressure vote?
2: When we were a few days from deadline and he only had one vote, it was unlikely that he would get lynched and I think he knew that.
(3.) Was HezLucky your top suspect at the time of your vote?
1. You didn't answer how it becomes any less effective. Instead you just gave a definition on what a pressure vote is. And I felt the need to say that, so that others when reading my vote, should they so choose, they can also hop on the pressure wagon. The point of pressure, is when a wagon forms it causes someone to respond. See? <<< I can do it too.
2. Does that stop me from placing the vote? If not, of what importance is this point?
3. Was he more of a suspect then anyone else at the moment? Yes but not by much. Did I have a "top suspect" that really stood out above everyone else, no.
Deity wrote:Wickedestjr, regarding your most recent post, I would feel more safe having neil lynched instead of ZMuffinMan. He was the main person on Empking's case, and I could easily seem him telling his scumbuddies to lynch Empking.
Uh, what? I really don't know what to say, or how to respond to this? You would feel more safe having me lynched, why? What would my flip do for you / the town? Yes, I was a main person on Emp's wagon. Did you not find Emp scummy? You had your vote on him, so while I did indeed pressure him a lot, he obviously appeared scummy to others so is my pressure on him more scum-motivated then town? If so, is everyone else who was on the wagon scum?
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DK, why do you not trust me? What have I done that made me seem to have broken your trust?
You have a 100% vibe from Regfan because his posts are wise and he's posting like a pro-town individual. Which of my posts are not wise, and which of my posts make me seem anti-town? In fact, do you have any cases on anyone of us? Your case against me to say the least was less then satisfactory to be placing your vote there considering the others in this game. Make a case, and actually look like you're trying in this game, or my vote will be switching over to you. I don't care if your case is on me, just make one.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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DeityKabuto wrote:The reasons I find you suspicious neil are as followed:
- You and Empking had a big debate, and you wanted him lynched the most out of anyone leading to my second point.
- You could have easily been the Mafia who decided to night kill Empking as how you two have pages of arguments, including a bunch of "spam/waste of space" comments.
- Empking flipped Town, you wanted Empking lynched, you were the "main" driver of Empking's case, and at the end of Day 1, you switched over to voting HezLucky, why is that? Did you feel that HezLucky was more scummier than Empking, or are HezLucky and Empking both townies and you are a scum aware of who's Townie or not? If I recall, your case on Empking went more in-depth than with HezLucky.
- You were SO certain of Empking being scum.
Yes Wicked, Muffin... please vote me because this post doesn't exist!
See Emp? You're scum. I have one page of ISO and that's all you'd have to go through to see this post. Conveniently you've overlooked it. You're going to be lynched today Emp, because you're scum. And why do you keep asking people to do things, like quoting things to "everybody"... You're not in any position to be requesting ANYBODY to be doing ANYTHING.
^That was a quote from Post #301 (whereas Empking sounded PRETTY sure Empking was scum)
With that said, #301. Your case on Empking had started, what? 10 Pages earlier. You sounded pretty sure of Empking being scum, but he flipped Townie. Guys, get on Niel's case.
There, I have a case on you, satisfied?
No because out of all of your fluff, there were only two actual points you gave. 1. I was wrong with my suspicion of Empking, and 2. I was the main driver of Empking's lynch. Here's the deal (backwards, just for fun so I feel like actually responding to you.)
2. Empking wasn't lynched, he was night killed. Therefore your point is somewhat invalid by itself. The bandwagon on Empking shows that Empking was indeed scummy. He may not have been scum aligned, but he sure wasn't pro-town and the wagon on him proves it.
1. If you want to lynch me because of my suspicion of the Town Seer, then you have a bunch of others to lynch as well. Not just myself.
Also to answer a question that you particularly phrased on purpose to make me look like scum, while also using WIFOM in the situation:
Guy with no case wrote:- Empking flipped Town, you wanted Empking lynched, you were the "main" driver of Empking's case, and at the end of Day 1, you switched over to voting HezLucky, why is that? Did you feel that HezLucky was more scummier than Empking, or are HezLucky and Empking both townies and you are a scum aware of who's Townie or not? If I recall, your case on Empking went more in-depth than with HezLucky.
Here you go, before you ask questions, read my posts. Don't just try to form a bandwagon on speculations alone, form it on FACTUAL speculations if anything.
My ISO #49 wrote:Empking, a Seer? The one role in the game the town would want in this game? Really? Oh gosh. Either fate has royally screwed the town over, or Emp is fake-claiming. With that in my mind:
UNVOTE: Emp
My ISO #49 Again wrote:Out of the following, I can really only see Hezlucky, and DeityKabuto as scummy in this scenario. CJ seems to just be absent from the game, with no real imput, and Sloth had very valid reason for his vote. I don't like the WIFOM scenario HezLucky created with his unvote, and I've understood that HezLucky has seem to had little to no pressure this day, skating by with a "get out of jail free" pass and nobody's really giving him any pressure. So with that said:
VOTE: HezLucky
Did you purposely ignore this post to make me look scummy?
VOTE: DeityKabuto
You're not scum hunting, you're wasting our time with fluff and stretching remarks, and then repeating yourself 5 times and calling them "points." You're not pro-town right now, and I don't see how anyone can really consider you a Townsman. In fact, have you even made a case that can stand yet?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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VI Deity makes a lot more sense when considering his play style and his current horrible case against me, which thus kind of null's my read on him. At least, not worthy of my attention to lynch more then HezLucky.
Reg, you have me listed as scum? Any particular reason, or do I just rub you the wrong way?ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Me=Weird-When I read up, I was just amazed by neil. Awesome reads.-
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neil1113 Mafia Scum
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DeityKabuto wrote:Now I have a case on neil, which he hasn't responded to, and I really feel more safe having neil lynched.
No you don't, which is why I have not responded to anything you've said.
As for the others who have posted something to me, I should be able to get to your post either late tonight, or sometime tomorrow. Maybe sooner. We'll see how RL goes.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Spoiler: My Record for Mafiascum.netArchaebob-Hats off to Neil for some incredible town play.
Me=Weird-When I read up, I was just amazed by neil. Awesome reads.-
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neil1113 Mafia Scum
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I actually strongly agree with the CJ case, though I don't see why people would be willing to lynch Sloth over CJ when Sloth is wanting to replace out?
I'm willing to hammer, but I'm not going to lie, the LynchMePls vote on CJ looks a lot like a bus vote...ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Spoiler: My Record for Mafiascum.netArchaebob-Hats off to Neil for some incredible town play.
Me=Weird-When I read up, I was just amazed by neil. Awesome reads.-
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^^^ For the record, I'm currently reISOing CJ and Sloth. If nobody says anything to my hammer remark, then I'll hammer in a few if I'm still convinced after the ISO.
Sorry for the hypocrisy in my post, I know I said I'd respond and I've failed to do so. I apologize but at this point and time, I have no intention on responding right now.ShowTotal Games Played:17
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Spoiler: My Record for Mafiascum.netArchaebob-Hats off to Neil for some incredible town play.
Me=Weird-When I read up, I was just amazed by neil. Awesome reads.