Open 326: Pick Your Poison (Ende des Speils!)

[Maruchan]

DAMN IT I WANTED TO BE FIRST

Vote: Aukmid

for stealing my spot

[Maruchan]

VOTE: saulres

this is the random VOTE stage! lets see some random VOTES good man!

[Maruchan]

What she said, I am curious as to your lack of RVS participation. I would understand it if you had told us you dislike RVS and therefore refuse to participate or something, but you said nothing of the sort, and even was the first participator of RVS in your first game on-site.

Just curious because I find scum usually like to save their votes until they see the most likely-to-succeed bandwagon before hoping it. (then again, conservative town hold their votes too, so I am not saying your lack of one makes you scummy)

[Maruchan]

I didn't realize it was a requirement. I thought it was just a way to get conversation started. I thought RPing our trip through Germany could accomplish the same thing.

I would address your point about my first game on-site but can't because it's still ongoing.

/me reluctantly climbs out of the pool, towels off his RP, and joins the throng (not to be confused with joining the thong, which would be unsightly as well as uncomfortable).

Random

vote: lane0168

because they haven't voted yet.

i loled. And sorry about the ongoing, I didn't realize it was ongoing. I just clicked your profile clicked your topics and saw you had one other game besides this one in it, ISOed you in it, and saw you did a RVS.

PEdit: ninja'd by glowball. Anyways I didn't realize it was ongoing, and for that I am extremely sorry. I am trying to work on mentioning ongoing games less (I have been told a few times I am toeing the line in various games ) If I had seen it was ongoing I wouldn't have mentioned it.

oh and I agree about the RP. its cutesy and all, but I just can't take it seriously. I like mod provided flavor over player provided flavor.

[Maruchan]

Also, quick note:

@ Anyone Planning on Starting RQS

I suggest not doing it. That is all.

[Maruchan]

What do you have against RQS? Not that I disagree, but I am interested in why specifically you are against it...

I have nothing against it personally, I just want to save an unsuspecting townie from getting attacked by a certain other player in this game.

[Maruchan]

@Xalxe, Not trying to be demanding or anything, but would you mind terribly adding a "X needed to lynch" to your post counts? I would LOVE that <3

[Maruchan]

VOTE: MARUCHAN

Doesn't like it if people dont participate in RVS, and doesn't like it when people do participate, or start, RQS. Whether or not someone wants to spew questions, the conversation will start eventually. Probably in the wrong direction.

if you had READ my post before yours, I LOVE RQS, and have STARTED it myself in the past. I just know a particular player in this game absolutely hates it, and will make a case against anyone starting it, that will end in their eventual demise.

I like the vote though, keep em comin!

[Maruchan]

@Nobody Special. what is wrong with knit hats? and why do you feel its a knit hat, and not a birthday party hat? i feel like its a birthday party hat.

SRQS (slightly random question stage)

Does everyone feel the same way about knit hats?

Is it a knit hat or a birthday party hat?

Ah well, I was ignored. Don't say I didn't worn you when RoboThor comes after you.

[Maruchan]

Read right above your post and you'll see. One of our hydra heads.

[Maruchan]

@Blowball, we have 1 hydra, RoboThor.

The heads are Robocopter97 (I may have gotten the # wrong), and Thor(insert random numbers here).

Thor is a big dis-fan of RQS and will build a case on those asking for RQS, I am trying to find a link to a non-ongoing game in which he does so, but all of his finished games seem to be crazy-mechanics in which RQS didn't happen. Will post when I find a link however.

[Maruchan]

@Blowball,

THIS^
Should never happen again...

that damn typo.

[Maruchan]

@Xalxe, Not trying to be demanding or anything, but would you mind terribly adding a "X needed to lynch" to your post counts? I would LOVE that <3

The moderator is a first-timer. Thusly, he is also an idiot. I will do so; it is currently 7 to lynch.

Congrats on your first game! (as a mod)

[Maruchan]

Wow Thor, how is it you have managed to avoid a game with RQS in like EVERY one of your completed games?!?

So anyways, I can't link you guys to any proof as in all of Tjor's (completed) Games I read (the first 12, I read the first 4-5 pages), RQS doesn't happen. BUT! I can vouch for the fact that when RQS DOES happen, he does not like it. I am just not allowed to show proof of this. -.-

[Maruchan]

Technically. thats what it is. They use flimsy ass reasons to serious vote, IE: they dislike some, they LIKE someone, someone is a terrible player in past games, someone is an AWESOME player in past games, their name sounds wrong. their avatar is funky, and so on. We just call it Random, because we don't want to call it "flimsy-ass excuse voting stage"

[Maruchan]

But I'm going to ask some that I feel are relevant.
1) What time zone are you in?
2) What is your experience playing Mafia (ie, how many games have you played, how long etc)?
3) How often do you post/How often do you expect to post?

1. CDT (Central Daylight Time, mid-eastern US)
2. 6 months of EpicMafia before getting myself banned whilst outting a cheater. 1 Completed game on-site, 2 games I have been killed/lynched from, and currently in 7, 1 of which is night, 1 of which is pre-game ans stalling, 1 of which is just plain stalling.
3. I expect to post at least once every page of the thread, if not half of every page, except for the 10-12 hours a night I sleep.

Don't say I didn't warn you

[Maruchan]

I generally find RQS fluff, but I will answer questions if they help....

1.) Always good to know- PDT
2.) You can always check the wiki for this information- fluff.
3.)NOT IMPORTANT

Not everyone has made themselves a wiki. Jus Sayin.

[Maruchan]

I disagree with Maruchan's #21. Not participating in RVS voting itself is more or less a nulltell. Though voting is the typical way to get out of the RVS, there are plenty of people who dislike it, and feel there are superior methods. And meta on RVS participation is just silly. People change from game to game, and people change approaches on how to get out of the RVS and generate conversation. Also, nice fence-sitting there. Do you feel that saulres' lack of a RVS vote makes him scummy or not?

so I am not saying your lack of one makes you scummy)

So you say not voting is a null-tell. Then call me saying it is a null-tell, fence sitting. Either we are BOTH fence sitting, or NEITHER of us is. Pick your Poison. (cwutididthat )

Also, I'm not sure I completely understand why you so thoroughly wish to stop any RQS, Maruchan. Why do you care so much about RoboThor jumping on anybody? Especially if you "LOVE" the RQS?

I am not at liberty to discuss this at the moment, ask me again in a month and a half.

After all, they could be scum anyway and therefore deserve the pressure, right?

Possible. However the odds are a townie will say it, as there are 9 townies and only 3 scum. Therefore I figured it helped town more to warn the townies that it hurt town to warn the scummies.

And interactions between RoboThor and the RQS-starter could give the town a good deal of information, no?

Oh I totally agree! Anything that starts interaction between players is a good thing (such as my telling you all to not RQS is doing). However it stops being as good when innocent townies get lynched.

Scum often ask generic questions like these, because it makes it look like the player is contributing, when they aren't.

I honestly do not believe the questions asked in RQS are any indication of ones alignment.

Vote: saulres

Ahh see, if I hadn't made my comment about RVS, Saulres wouldn't feel the need to ask about appearing scummy, therefore you wouldn't have your main case right now. Everyone always calls my actions scummy, but I do WHAT I do, because it causes interaction! Even if it sticks me front and center for people's attention ,and therefore scrutiny, most of the time, The interaction between members is worth it! This is the crux of my playstyle, and thats why I am so overtly-aggressive about the LITTLE things early-on. It puts pressure on those causing the little things, causing them to make bigger things.

In other news, liking glowball this far. Asking the right questions, pushing the right players.

[quote"

B

Glowball"]OF COURSE YOU LIKE GLOWBALL SO FAR- EVERYONE LOVES GLOWBALL[/quote]
(I'm sorry, but this has become an inside joke to funny to pass up)
agreed.

[Maruchan]

DAMN IT THE

TAG IN THE QUOTE NAME DOESN'T WORK. >:(

[Maruchan]

DAMN IT THE

TAG IN THE QUOTE NAME DOESN'T WORK. >:(

It does, you just forgot the = sign.

P-Edit: Well, okay, even with the = it doesn't work. We need to fix that.

i seriously laughed out loud at that. Thank you for making my day. ♥

[Maruchan]

Now, NihilisticNinja, to answer your question: Because I'm still trying to learn how RVS works exactly. It wasn't in the off-site game I played and was in both games I'm playing on this site. I'm trying to learn how it works for future games, as no one else seems to go through the same grilling I do over how I play RVS.

Ah but you see, I am not in their games.

[Maruchan]

Ahh see, if I hadn't made my comment about RVS, Saulres wouldn't feel the need to ask about appearing scummy, therefore you wouldn't have your main case right now. Everyone always calls my actions scummy, but I do WHAT I do, because it causes interaction! Even if it sticks me front and center for people's attention ,and therefore scrutiny, most of the time, The interaction between members is worth it! This is the crux of my playstyle, and thats why I am so overtly-aggressive about the LITTLE things early-on. It puts pressure on those causing the little things, causing them to make bigger things.

Eh, what you have to be able to balance is the risks of appearing scummy with the rewards of provoking interaction. Also, this looks like you're trying to take credit for the first 'real' vote. I doubt your post (which prompted saulres to vote in the first place) had a large effect on him questioning whether to change his vote later on.

No? I think thats EXACTLY why he "sarcastically" asked about appearing scummy later. I said something he did is a possible-scum-action, and so he is worried about appearing scum. And no, I am not trying to take credit for the bandwaggon, whether its a BW on scum or town. I am just trying to show that my way of nitpicking every little post DOES bring interaction, and brings a lot of attention to me. Which if I was scum is a bad thing, so why would I so it? Iunno. Beats me. And I have to balance the risk of appearing scummy? Wait I thought we were upset with Saulres for caring about appearing scummy. So only scum have to care about appearing scummy.

We can't keep this double standards! Either we have to say that Saulres caring if he appears scummy is a SCUM tell, in which case my lack of caring is a null or town tell. OR we have to say that Maruchan's lack of caring how he appears is a null or scum tell, in which case Saulres' caring is a TOWN tell.

Pick one, you can't have it both ways. It can't be scummy to care while being scummy to not care.

I like the vote though, keep em comin!

Okay. UNVOTE: RoboThor, VOTE: Maruchan

WOOT WOOT THERE'S NUMBER 2!

[Maruchan]

How was I pushing it in my favor? in my examples I had a 1/4 possibility of it being a town tell for ME while it was a 1/2 chance of being a town tell FOR him, AGAINST me.

I don't see this as in my favor.

I was merely asking for consistency

[Maruchan]

To maybe explain what I think about caring vs. non-caring:

If all the scum don't care, then they won't fight to stay alive, meaning they'll roll over and lose. So they have to care.
If all the town don't care, then they won't fight to stay alive, meaning they'll roll over and lose. So they have to care.

The way I see it, everyone who's playing for their win condition, at least in this setup, should care about if they're going to cause their side to lose by being seen as anything other than town. So caring is a nulltell, at least for me. And so is not caring, because it doesn't say what side you're on -- it just says what kind of player you are. One which is a detriment to their side.

Anyway that's how I see it.

UNVOTE
Vote: Marachun

because I'd rather play with people who are trying to win.

OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS

oh wait, my vote is already on you.
So that would make YOURS the OMGUS. My bad.

[Maruchan]

[quote="Maruchan"=]WOOT WOOT THERE'S NUMBER 2!

and if explanation is needed, i feel the excitement for another vote this early (know probability states he wont get lynched) is starting to look a little bit suspicious. why, maruchan, do you feel the need to belittle 2 votes this atimately? if thats the word. sound it out, i mean atimately. i think. i mean chill,, unless you are trying to act like they are nothing when they actually are[/quote][/quote][/quote]
I am not downplaying them, nor am I trying to pass them off as nothing.

Votes come, Votes go
Votes on ME come and go much more often.

Should it worry me? Meh stick me at L-2 and I'll start to be a little worried. Stick me at L-1, and I'll tell you town is wasting their mislynch.
Will this upset me? Not terribly. My town flip will give the town information. They can go back and re-read the game with a confirmed townie, and therefore be able to take all the townie's reads, comments, and pointers at face value. This is helpful to town. The only thing MORE helpful is scum hunting, which I think we're doing by A: you guys pressing on me, B: the pressing happening on Saulres.

[Maruchan]

So right now SCUM POINTS for Maruchan and Saulres

So scum points.
For the two people
Voting on each other?

Unless you're implying one of us is bussing, in which case, all you're talk about how my gameplay strategy seems out-of-place on Page 4, implies you think it would be OK in later pages. But you think a full-on bus is viable on Page 4?

[Maruchan]

hey mr maruchan. yeah you. id like a little more effort for trying to stay alive as town. i'd really like it if you werent basically accepting a mislynch. you almost seem, i dont know what you seem, but i'd like it if you put it a little more effort towards staying alive, if you are town. thank you and come again. thank you for letting us know what you'll do at L-2 and L-1 though. at least we can know what to expect. if you are town. stop accepting being mislynched please

I can try to defend myself fro mthe first vote, but the second vote was put on just because I said to keep them coming, and the third vote is an OMGUS.

Nothing I can do to defend against either of those.

[Maruchan]

Soon after, Maruchan made it clear that he was against doing RQS. Still nothing that scummy.

I suggested against doing RVS, I never said I was against it.

However, soon after, Maruchan posts something radicaly different.

Radically different from suggesting to not do it would be suggesting TO do it. Radically different fro msaying I LOVE it, would be sayign I HATE it. I Am not seeing the radically different of which you speak

WTF? Right there you post that you "Love RQS", despite just a few post's ago sugesting that RQS should be skipped. How does that work? Your excuse is that there is a player (RoboThor, I assume), who will make a case against anyone who starts RQS, which will end in that players "eventual demise". Preaty lame in my opinion.

Newbie 1147

Then, on post #54, Maruchan makes a very interesting post

Technically. thats what it is. They use flimsy ass reasons to serious vote, IE: they dislike some, they LIKE someone, someone is a terrible player in past games, someone is an AWESOME player in past games, their name sounds wrong. their avatar is funky, and so on. We just call it Random, because we don't want to call it "flimsy-ass excuse voting stage"

I dont get this at all. Your saying that you strongly dislike RVS, yet you changed your vote at the beggining because someone was refuseing to participate in RVS. WTF? This is the post I find by far the most suspicious. If you dislike RVS, I would have thought that you could have related to Saulres, not started a Bandwagon against him.

I don't see where I said I dislike RVS, point it out to me please?

From there, Mauchan makes a big post#63. However something which realy stood out to me was...

[[quote"

B

Glowball"]OF COURSE YOU LIKE GLOWBALL SO FAR- EVERYONE LOVES GLOWBALL

(I'm sorry, but this has become an inside joke to funny to pass up)
agreed.

There was a bit of a quote error, but this seems an awful lot like buddying.

Me calling a girl a name that could be taken as derogatory, and which she specifically asked me to not call her again, is... buddying? Seems quite the opposite to me.

Then Maruchan makes a coment which feels even more like budying...

DAMN IT THE

TAG IN THE QUOTE NAME DOESN'T WORK. >:(

It does, you just forgot the = sign.

P-Edit: Well, okay, even with the = it doesn't work. We need to fix that.

i seriously laughed out loud at that. Thank you for making my day. ♥

Sorry for being friendly. I think you need to go meta me, to see that I do this all the time. Kaithnxbaigurl

The 2 buddying posts at the end may be completely un-game related, but I find Maruchan's inability to keep his story straight and his lame excuses about RQS highly suspicious. Even more so is his case against Saurus because he didn't participate in RVS, even though Maruchan posted himself later that he strongly disliked RVS. "Flimsy-ass excuse voteing stage" is hardly a term used by someone who likes RVS.

How does Flimsy-ass Excuse Voting Stage as a name have anything to do with liking RVS? I like RVS. I use flimsy-ass excuses all the time. Never said flimsy-ass excuses were BAD, I just said thats what they were. I like that you're trying to make something out of nothing here. Again with the RQS commen, wait till THor gets here and ask him yourself.

UNVOTE: RoboThor
VOTE: Maruchan

My responses are bolded

[Maruchan]

Unless you're implying one of us is bussing, in which case, all you're talk about how my gameplay strategy seems out-of-place on Page 4, implies you think it would be OK in later pages. But you think a full-on bus is viable on Page 4?

again with the belittling? at this point you are belittling the possiblilty of bussing so early in the game.

right about now, i am going to buddy with maruchan when he says keep the votes coming on him. I FEEL he is playing the "trying not to care to much because if i do i'll be caught as mafia because i am mafia" card. so... i guess my RVS votes stayin steady

I think a full on bus is viable at page 1, with your RVS vote, and I also think my gameplay is viable at page .

I was merely implying that if somebody ELSE didn't think something was viable they wouldn't think this was viable. Kind of like if you think A=B, and you think A=0, then how can you possibly think B=/=0. Thats what I was trying to say.

[Maruchan]

I just don’t want us to get tunnelvisioned on the first day, and leave some possible slips unnoticed.

Thunder is town.

And before I lay a vote down for Maruchan, I’d like to hear what Thor has to say and then re-evaluate based upon Maruchan’s fear of Thor driving someone into the ground. I’d have to say, after just playing a game with Thor, it’s a legitimate fear because he has a glorious beard and an even more glorious sense of pressure and reasoning. (And yes, Thor, I’m sorry, but this is the last time I’m going to complement you. At least until you catch me a scum. Because I don’t think I really need to build you up, and because I think it’s time for me to stop referencing you in every post I make. I think I’m just excited to be playing with a friendly Robo and Thor face who shall hopefully have my back this time and not be trying to murder me.)

Finally somebody with some sense! Follow the lead wait for the person I accused of disliking RQS to verify my story, before you call my story shit. Kaithnxbaigurl.

Concision is pro-town.

Concision?

Here, you indicate that scum like to save their votes until they see the most likely-to-succeed bandwagon. Since you mention this, it would indicate that you find his behavior scummy. Then suddenly, you say that you believe that conservative town do it too. You seem to flip, indicating initially that it's slightly scummy, to a null tell. If you thought it was null, why did you bring that up in the first place?

Yet I did it all IN THE SAME POST. I was laying out all the possible things saving a vote could mean, and AFTER explaining all they could mean, I then implied it was a null tell. If I had done it in 2 posts, consecutive, or way apart, I would agree with you and say that I am sitting on the fence. However, since I started it in one post, and ended that post with "ITS NOT A SCUM TELL", I would say I picked a side. The side saying it's not a scum tell. (apparently this is a three-sided fence btw. odd)

That's true with RVS bandwagoning too, no? By your logic, since there are 9 townies and 3 scum, should we not do RVS bandwagoning at all? That's a probabilistic fallacy.

I don't think you should take an RVS bandwagon to lynch no. Not at all. However building pressure on an RVS bandwagon is perfectly acceptable, because in an ideal vacuum situation with no variables, those with nothing to hide will not crack under said pressure, so said pressure will eventually disappear. While those with something to hide, WILL crack under pressure, in which case the pressure is a good thing. And once they've cracked and you lynch them, it is no longer a RANDOM vote, so I would no longer classify it as an RVS bandwagon.

That's true with RVS bandwagoning too, no? By your logic, since there are 9 townies and 3 scum, should we not do RVS bandwagoning at all? That's a probabilistic fallacy.

I actually do have evidence that this is a probable scenario, thanks. and you should read thunder's post.

For instance- "Do you like being town or scum?"

I totally agree with you. I like that question in particular. -glares to Thor-

Saul's votepost is bad, bad, bad. First of all, we should be looking for scum, not players that don't care. Also, one does not "cause their side to lose" by being seen as something besides town- it's not like Day 1= lylo, after all. Townies win as long as they side wins, regardless if they get lynched or not.

Besides, I'd argue that Marachan IS posting far too much and providing too much text in those posts, to be considered a player that "doesn't care about the game", bizarre implosion aside.

Thats because my words have been twisted. I don't care if my actions are scummy, cuz only scum have bad repercussions from looking scummy. When town looks scummy, if they get lynched, their flip helps town by being able to re-read as their confirmed town status.

Also, scum love to bandwagon players "for the good of the game", because that way, they won't be held accountable later on if the player is a townie, and can still get townie points if they flip scum. It's a win-win for them.

I didn't even think of that so far during this game ,but you're right.

Yeah Page 4 doesn't need all these lengthy posts, it kind of makes me feel like scum are overloading to look like they have more content than they do. It's really useless to type all that much, not enough has happened. In fact walls at this point are drawing my attention more negatively than positively towards those players. Walls are to be used when necessary...not frivolously.

So its a bad thing if the game actually STARTS being a game on page for, rather than on page 10? Its bad for us to start actual content early? ... Why exactly?

This (And NS's comment) is completely true. Walls are, if anything, anti-town. They flood the thread with words, which can cause disinterest in the town.

Oh. I Honestly did not know this. You can meta me if you want, but I have ALWAYS loves walls, and I love reading them too. Sorry. I will attempt to post less walls now, knowing that people don't like them.

Although I usually only post walsl in response to a wall that is usually pointed at me.

I don't neccesarily agree with that there isn't much "content" in said walls, but that may simply be because I'm the one that wrote mine, so I'm naturally biased.

I think it had a lot of content. I usually only reply to actual content and/or stuff related to me. So anything that I didn't quote (unless it doesn't relate to me) is about it that I think is content-less.

DO NOT DO THIS.

It makes it IMPOSSIBLE to read.

Learn to quote properly, and don't be lazy.

That is actually the first time I have ever done that, and I am sorry. Won't happen again. I was just trying to cut down on the length of my post by not putting a gazillion quote fragments in it, like this one.

Fixed quote tags -- Mod

[Maruchan]

damn it I messed up two of my quote tags.

[Maruchan]

which of the walls have you not read, if any?

[Maruchan]

But I'm going to ask some that I feel are relevant.
1) What time zone are you in?
2) What is your experience playing Mafia (ie, how many games have you played, how long etc)?
3) How often do you post/How often do you expect to post?

1.) Central Standard Time. As in Minnesota, USA.
2.) This is my fourth game on the website. havent played in a few months. Otherwise i'd drop anything to play in real life
3.) If i have something to say everyday, i should be at my computer everyday after work. I stay in hotels during the week, so i have a lot of free time

Maruchan, please omit everything that is not absolutely necessary in your posts. is it necessary for you to quote someone and then respond with "concision"? absolutely not. especially when you know what they mean. half those quotes did not need to be quoted and responded on if not all

I don't know what concision means, I didn't even know it was a word. I was asking

"what's this?"

[Maruchan]

dictionary.com the words "bus" "WIFOM" "EBWOP" "buddy" "IGMEOY" "fos", or any of a million more.

tell me if it gives you a result that is comparable with the definition of said term in forum-mafia.

I already dictionaried it, and knew what it MEANT, I was asking what it meant in-context, because I wasn't sure if the definition I read fit in-context.

Thanks for trying to play the One-Up game with me though!

[Maruchan]

@Everyone, I am sorry for my lack of activity the past 48 hours. Yesterday my recruiter had me making phone calls and stapling business cards to pamphlets all day, and today we had a huge DEP-BBQ/Picnic event, and I just got home after waking up 12 hours ago for it. For future reference: This is the RARE exception to my activity, not the norm. I doubt I will have such a long absence from the thread again all game.

[Maruchan]

Welcome RoboThor!!!! Glad to see your account is up and running! Amrun, don't you hate that?

[Maruchan]

-Nobody Special, why is sucking up to the mod a scumtell?

THANK YOU!

In one of my other games someone said something about how I was using AtE by being nice to the mod, and I retorted with AtE is specific to the person being AtE'd, so even if I am sucking up to the mod, how does that help/harm me/others in-game?

[Maruchan]

That reminds me something I forgot:

How do you know Marucha isn't playing to win, saulres? Doesn't this rely on him being town.

Supreme Overlord pointed out thunder's hypocrisy. Why did you criticize saulres for not rvs voting If you don't haveout now, when we're well into content?

Just a quick comment I've felt like making on the whole "Maruchan playing to win" topic.

I am playing to win. Playing To Save My Ass, is NOT the same as playing to win.

I can die, and still win, as long as my faction does. So I feel that as long as my life is spent productively finding scum, rather than in town v town shitstorms, that I am playing to win.

[Maruchan]

Maruchan, you should never aim to belynched unless you are a jester.

I am not AIMING to be lynched, I am aiming to win, whether or not I AM lynched.

There is a difference

[Maruchan]

welcome to the game kondi

[Maruchan]

lane, click on his profile, then on the right where it says view all posts, click it

[Maruchan]

Maru is tweaking at me, and otherwise it's useless.

Auckmid's "case" on Maru is super silly and is based on not understanding anything Maru has said. Not sure of the town/scum energy in that case though it is a bit opportunistic to my mind.

I think this about sums it up for anyone who was waiting to see what Thor had to say about my early-game play involving RQS and whatnot

Like he said, it was mostly me just picking fun at him in revenge for getting lynched by him.

[Maruchan]

Oh I meant do this this awhile ago, but got caught up in defending my actions that I was no longer paying attention to my vote on others.

unvote

@RoboThor, I will ISO NS later tonight or tomorrow and keep my eye on him and go back over your case on him. THen I'll get back to you on whether or not I agree with a lynch on him today.

[Maruchan]

A hydra is two people palying from one account with one vote and one role PM. Basically it is a way to get a second opinion on the game, while having to work together to acomplish anything. Its a game-legal way to discuss the game with someone else. Some mods allow it, some do not.

The heads of our hydra are Robocopter97, and Thor(random number shit here)

They discuss the game with each other over PMs, QTs, or IMs, (I'm not sure which), and then post in-game their finalized thought.

[Maruchan]

no problem

[Maruchan]

If anything I am in danger of scrutinizing and second guessing his reads because "Hey, its Thor" and Thor lead a rickety case on me that lead to my quicklynch D1 of a game when I was VT.

Which if you think about it, isn't so bad. The more scrutiny his reads are under, the more they can be assessed for their truthfulness.

[Maruchan]

@everything that has happened since my last post, I was busy watching the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie I just got from demonoid, and now it is 2:30 am and I will be heading to sleep. I will address everything in the mornin'. Talk to ya'll then.

[Maruchan]

No, that is not why I'm still voting Mauchan. I've been developing a new theory from what I've seen posted here and currently I think he's scum, and I might also have figured out who his two scum teammates are. I just want to have my facts straight before I go accusing.

Interested to see this. I'd like a good laugh

OK, so what do you think of:

All are town, and are also town to a point we strongly oppose any votes on them today and will mock you if you make them.

I don't think they deserve a laugh if a vote/case is made for them. I think any case deserves to be treated on its own and even if the case doesn't convince you of someone's scummieness, should still be taken seriously, as at least the case-maker is TRYING.

Maruchan and I...buddy via hatred some more (mostly though, the hatred, if any, is one sided. I don't hate him...I do hate most RQS though)

I don't hate you, I just find it fun to pick fun at you. I'm truly sorry we lost you in that other game too btw.

[Maruchan]

Alright, this is a wall hidden by spoilers for bullet points on why Maruchan is scummy...

Spoiler:

What she said, I am curious as to your lack of RVS participation. I would understand it if you had told us you dislike RVS and therefore refuse to participate or something, but you said nothing of the sort, and even was the first participator of RVS in your first game on-site.

Just curious because I find scum usually like to save their votes until they see the most likely-to-succeed bandwagon before hoping it. (then again, conservative town hold their votes too, so I am not saying your lack of one makes you scummy)

Piggy backs onto my question of Saulres, but then is basically distancing himself from it. This post unnecessary since I had already asked Saulres the question unless he was adding on for more pressure, BUT WAIT it's not pressure if you let them know you don't think it's scummy. Not to mention, he went as far as to check an ongoing game for Saulres' RVS meta, which he found contradictory but still distanced himself from it. So this is just really bad. It gives him "cred" because he was involved in the questioning, while he's distanced because he never said he found it "scummy".

God I really need to think out all my actions from now on. I didn't realize everyone on site were Psychology Majors. Good to know for future reference if I ever need psychological help. Butfersrs, no If you check my meta, I have a tendency to repeat things, so that everybody knows what I am thinking, when I am thinking it, regardless of whether or not someone else thinks it. As for distancing myself, due to the check-for-meta that revealed only 1 game, I was more explaining to the newbie why the RVS vote was of importance, since they are new. It was more of "this is why we're asking is because it could be this, but since you're just new I am not saying it is for sure that".

Spoiler:

VOTE: MARUCHAN

Doesn't like it if people dont participate in RVS, and doesn't like it when people do participate, or start, RQS. Whether or not someone wants to spew questions, the conversation will start eventually. Probably in the wrong direction.

if you had READ my post before yours, I LOVE RQS, and have STARTED it myself in the past. I just know a particular player in this game absolutely hates it, and will make a case against anyone starting it, that will end in their eventual demise.

I like the vote though, keep em comin!

To be honest this whole post is bad because there is no way Maruchan would have gotten lynched SOLELY on Lane's RVS suspicion that was a weak vote anyway, but seeing Maruchan get what seems to me as worked up is suspicious. I get that he wanted to clear things up, but he seems rather adamant about getting his point across and showing Lane that they are wrong only to turn around and say he "likes" the vote and to keep them coming. This response isn't a town response in the fact that it isn't genuine. When I read this I immediately thought scum faking a lack of caring...badly.

Scum or not, the lack of caring, is a sincere lack of caring. I guarantee it.

Spoiler:

We can't keep this double standards! Either we have to say that Saulres caring if he appears scummy is a SCUM tell, in which case my lack of caring is a null or town tell. OR we have to say that Maruchan's lack of caring how he appears is a null or scum tell, in which case Saulres' caring is a TOWN tell.

Pick one, you can't have it both ways. It can't be scummy to care while being scummy to not care.

This theory he presented is wrong. He's basically pushing his opinion and theory as fact to discredit the accusations against himself AND Saulres. Stating that at least one of them has to have caring/not caring as a town tell. This just supports my theory of possible bussing earlier as it adds to Maruchan/Saulres scumbuddies.

No no, I didn't say one of us had to had a town tell from caring/not caring. I said it could be null tells. Re-read please.

Spoiler:

To maybe explain what I think about caring vs. non-caring:

If all the scum don't care, then they won't fight to stay alive, meaning they'll roll over and lose. So they have to care.
If all the town don't care, then they won't fight to stay alive, meaning they'll roll over and lose. So they have to care.

The way I see it, everyone who's playing for their win condition, at least in this setup, should care about if they're going to cause their side to lose by being seen as anything other than town. So caring is a nulltell, at least for me. And so is not caring, because it doesn't say what side you're on -- it just says what kind of player you are. One which is a detriment to their side.

Anyway that's how I see it.

UNVOTE
Vote: Marachun

because I'd rather play with people who are trying to win.

OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS

oh wait, my vote is already on you.
So that would make YOURS the OMGUS. My bad.

Feeler and amplifier post. He quoted Saulres just to make a point about OMGUS(badly IMO) with the sarcasm and the capitalization he's just begging for people to notice Saulres instead of him.

The capitalization is my way of emphasizing. Sorry if you think it feels forced. if this were real life my capitalized words would be the words I exaggerate, with any of the following added in: eye-brow movement, overly enunciating, or holding the word for longer than it would take to actually say it. Thats why I capitalize. and I quoted, because that is my habit. when I see something I feel I need to address, I quote it and reply. Check all my games, that I have flipped scum or town in, and you'll see this is just me.

Spoiler:

Yeah Page 4 doesn't need all these lengthy posts, it kind of makes me feel like scum are overloading to look like they have more content than they do. It's really useless to type all that much, not enough has happened. In fact walls at this point are drawing my attention more negatively than positively towards those players. Walls are to be used when necessary...not frivolously.

So its a bad thing if the game actually STARTS being a game on page for, rather than on page 10? Its bad for us to start actual content early? ... Why exactly?

This was posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:43 pm (PDT)
It is now: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:1 pm (PDT)

Maruchan didn't even notice that I didn't answer his question. This is only one of two I purposefully ignored. Maruchan isn't scum hunting- he's defending himself, buddying, and fluffing w/ a side of distraction. He obviously doesn't care about his answers because he never even noticed that I didn't answer, and if he did he just let it die.

So let me get this straight.... I am scummy because YOU ignored a question I asked you? As for your speculation as to how my mind works and why I didn't point out your lack of answer, that has more to do with the fact of 7 on-going games. I sometimes forget who I asked what in one of said games. Sorry I don't have photo graphical memory. But please stop playing the role of my shrink. I don't need one, and if you start pretending to be my shrink, it might disqualify me from the navy. X.X

This is not to say that Saulres is off of the hook- he's just laid low recently, adding to his lack of scumhunting and I am considering giving him the BoD and not just assume that he's newbscum sliding by like I did in my newbie game. That being said, short of some crazy upset Maruchan or Saulres need to die today their flips will tell the most...

So I am your vote because I talk alot, and your other preference of vote is lurking? huh?

[Maruchan]

Maruchan- You spend the majority of the time you "talk" defending yourself. When you do scum hunt- i.e. the questions you asked me- there is no follow up. So yes, you are scummy because I ignored your question and YOU didn't bother to catch me on it. If you have too many games to the point where it will hinder your follow up and scumhunting abilities you should replace out of some and not join so many in the future. Your game load is not my concern.

Ninja'd
NS and Overlord...nah, I mean if you don't agree with my Maruchan case then why ask for my reads on others?

When I am gettign attacked in every other post I have to defend myself, or you all see a lack of defending myself as scummy. Please stop having double standards.

I don't try to defend myself, and I get called scum. I start defending myself, and I am scummy for to much defense. What do you want from me? 1/4 of every post I make has to be defense while 3/4 scumhunt? give me a template to follow so that my actions aren't scum, cuz am seeing no-way-out from this endless paradox you have decided to classify me in.

I don't find the games is hindering my play. I feel that being purposefully ignored when I ask a question and not noticing a lack of answer should not be my concern. I asked the question. You purposefully ignoring it is where you're in the wrong. I don't usually see townies ignoring peoples questions tbh.

[Maruchan]

I'm "obviously online", no I am only half-online, online enough to post for people needing posts from me about me, not paying enough attention to go farther than that.

I am palying Call of Duty right now, because I am a bit bored of Mafia right now, and am only keeping tabs on all my games out of necessity.

[Maruchan]

Did I ever say I had to much on my plate? no thats your words. THanks for putting words in my mouth.

Takign a break from the site for 2 hours or so?

Uhm I was under the impression most people only VISITED for two hours or so a day. I am on 12-14 hours a day. I think I can take a break for an hour without it hampering my game.

[Maruchan]

Did I ever say I had to much on my plate? no thats your words. THanks for putting words in my mouth.

Takign a break from the site for 2 hours or so?

Uhm I was under the impression most people only VISITED for two hours or so a day. I am on 12-14 hours a day. I think I can take a break for an hour without it hampering my game.

So let me get this straight.... I am scummy because YOU ignored a question I asked you? As for your speculation as to how my mind works and

why I didn't point out your lack of answer, that has more to do with the fact of 7 on-going games. I sometimes forget who I asked what in one of said games.

Sorry I don't have photo graphical memory. But please stop playing the role of my shrink. I don't need one, and if you start pretending to be my shrink, it might disqualify me from the navy. X.X

If the weight of your responsibilities hinders your ability to scumhunt as you indicated above by saying that due to the amount of games you are playing you forget stuff then you have too much on your plate. Yes those are my words, brought on by your excuses and I don't want to hear anymore of them. If you don't have time or desire to play or if your other games keep you from following up then you need to replace out. I will not accept RL excuses or even other mafia game excuses because all of those things are YOUR CHOICE and have nothing to do with THIS game. If you have problems/issues/commitments it's up to you to make that clear BEFORE hand not afterwards as an excuse.

I don't feel forgetting I asked someoen a question ocne seriously inflicts my ability to play by scumhunting. sorry

[Maruchan]

L-2 btw guys

[Maruchan]

And this is what happens when the game progresses at an alarming rate... L-2 on page 10. I am not ready for this day to end, but I am also not in the mood to unvote so I just ask that anyone even thinking of voting Maruchan hold their votes for more discussion.

I WANT EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS WAGON AND ITS PROGRESSION

"I don't want him to hang but when he does hang I want to make sure I'm not the hammer"

Thats what that post sounded like to me tbh

[Maruchan]

My Thoughts == Why the heck isn't Nobody Special not about to die?

I can't support that Day 1, at this point if we lynch Nobody Special we will be back to square one in the next day phase regardless of the flip. I don't think that lynch is scum and I see no point in lynching a townie for no information, I mean besides the fact that YOU want him lynched. Which could be bussing or an honest mistake.

"I think he's town so lynching him won't give us any information, except you could be bussing him, which means he is scum even though I said he is town"

huh? I honestly am confused as to this post

[Maruchan]

And this is what happens when the game progresses at an alarming rate... L-2 on page 10. I am not ready for this day to end, but I am also not in the mood to unvote so I just ask that anyone even thinking of voting Maruchan hold their votes for more discussion.

I WANT EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS WAGON AND ITS PROGRESSION

"I don't want him to hang but when he does hang I want to make sure I'm not the hammer"

Thats what that post sounded like to me tbh

I am already voting so this makes no sense to me...

My Thoughts == Why the heck isn't Nobody Special not about to die?

I can't support that Day 1, at this point if we lynch Nobody Special we will be back to square one in the next day phase regardless of the flip. I don't think that lynch is scum and I see no point in lynching a townie for no information, I mean besides the fact that YOU want him lynched. Which could be bussing or an honest mistake.

"I think he's town so lynching him won't give us any information, except you could be bussing him, which means he is scum even though I said he is town"

huh? I honestly am confused as to this post

But I would like to say BRAVO. You have basically sealed my vote. When exactly did I become your scum suspect? When I started questioning you? This is just you OMGUS placing arguments against me without a vote and trying to discredit me. You are a feeler.

Did I ever call you a scum suspect? No. I was telling you how I interpreted your posts, and why I didn't quite get them.

[Maruchan]

Oh and to address the bottom post- I was going through the scenarios for EITHER flip. If NoBody Special flipped scum or town it gives NULL information and turns into WIFOM which is probably why you didn't understand it..

Oh yes lets poke at Maruchan and pretend he is an idiot and doesn't understand basic concepts liek WIFOM.


lol, go read the QT of my scum-win newbie game. Almost all of our night kills were WIFOM-inspired, and lead by me explaining why they were good WIFOM kills. I understand WIFOM, thanks.

[Maruchan]

Okay, here's my first scumhunting post this thread.

At the beginning of the day Maruchan and glowball teamed up, in that order, to vote for Auckmid during RVS, glowball not providing any reason. Yes, in RVS the reasons are meaningless, but here, there was none at all. This was quickly followed by Amrum joining the bandwagon.

Then, very quickly, both glowball and Maruchan jumped on me for RPing instead of RVoting. Once again, Maruchan's vote came first, followed by glowball's. After that they found numerous points to argue about, with the pressure being applied from glowball to Marachun regularly, until finally she voted for him, but only when it took him to L-2. His vote is elsewhere, but her vote is on him, and she's pushing for him or me to by lynched, but angling more for him than for me.

In Post 83, she mentions having used bussing very effectively in another game. Because in Post 56 she invited us to look at her wiki page, I did so, found that game, and discovered that in it, she and another mafia were bussing each other, with the other one applying all the votes and pressure her way, while she went in another direction -- a complete parallel to what we're seeing here, only with her role and the other scum's reversed in this game.

So the way I see it, the two of them agreed, along with a third person (we'll get to that soon) to bus Marachun while pairing him with a convenient townie scapegoat (which would be me for those of you keeping track), so that after the bus she could lead the charge against the scapegoat and look solid townie.

Yes, it's meta, and therefore might not mean anything, but it's way too coincidental for me. Especially when, for reasons I still can't understand and don't feel ever were successfully explained, Maruchan encouraged voting on himself.

Now the question remains, who's the 3rd? Amrum seems likes a good choice, given he joined their first bandwagon as I showed above. His vote now though is off somewhere else, on someone nobody has expressed a scumread for (lane). He could be planning to give the hammer vote, though, once Marachun's at L-1.

So that's my current triumverate of scum: Maruchan, glowball, and possibly Amrum. I heartily suggest we lynch Maruchan to see if this theory bears any fruit. As a side benefit, it should be easier to catch up on the reading.

I should now be able to keep up with questions, although work will still be especially time-consuming this week.

Wow. This dude does his research. He;s really taught me to be careful who I fight with. O.o Now me fighting with Glowball as turned into scum-reads for us both due to Gowball's past games. Thats is by far the most interesting case ever used against me that I have seen.

[Maruchan]

EBWOP: Piece of advice, never make scum-team predictions on D1. Then when you get lucky and one of them was scum, you'll be inclined to think the rest of the townies are scum too.

[Maruchan]

A question for Maruchan: Let's go back to your iso#29. Why is thunderweilder so very town? Do you not agree that scum could say the very same thing?

They COULD yes. But i usually see town do it rather than scum.

It was one of those off-hand remarks I have been seeing many of the members of the site making. I figured it was how most people played. When they saw a town-tell early-game on a null-read I have seen many people just pop in and say "Blabla is town", so thats what I did.

[Maruchan]

Wow. This dude does his research. He;s really taught me to be careful who I fight with. O.o Now me fighting with Glowball as turned into scum-reads for us both due to Gowball's past games. Thats is by far the most interesting case ever used against me that I have seen.

Want to defend against it? Or should we just assume that you concede that it's valid, and get on with lynching you?

I don't see what realyl I can defend here. Sure glowbal lmay have doen that i nthe past, but I wasn't aware of this. I usualyl don't read other players' games unless I have a reason too or else it messes up my mind a little for all the other games I am currently in. makes it harder to remember if the thing I remember them saying was this game or that 60-page game I rad just for kicks.

Heck, I still haven;t read the game he linked to. The link could be complete and utter Bullshit, and I wouldn't know.

[Maruchan]

I'm not sure you are in the position to be giving advice, Maruchan. There's nothing wrong with making acumteam predictions at any time.

I give advice that I feel needs to be given no matter the time of game.

If I am triple-town PR confirmed scum, on the lynching block, 1 vote away from a lynch, I wil lstill give advice that I think needs to be given. Even if it is treated like bullshit, I still want it to be there so that when end-game comes, I can say I adviced someone against something.

Honestly, swear to god. My advice when I specifically state it as giving advice, whether I am pro-town or anti-town will always be adivce that I think is sound advice. Thats just how I play.

[Maruchan]

ALSO, I'll Ive heard is defense of Maruchan from the case Ive present YET he is the lead wagon...

Plus I find it odd that NONE of you have a problem with his blatant lack of caring to follow up on scumhunting questions, it's an obvious scum display of not really caring about it.

I thought I posted something about doing this later tomorrow. If not I apologize.

My grandparents were in town all weekend and just left this afternoon, and so I had planned a nice ISO and re-read and analysis tomorrow or Wednesday (since tomorrow I have my Navy DEP meeting)

[Maruchan]

Lot of content posted since I went to bed. Will read when I get home from the DEP Meeting, and comment.

[Maruchan]

I am not asking for a re-read I am asking you to care about the questions you ask. You asked me several questions I didn't answer, as I pointed out to you and you didn't even seem to notice or care. How does that help your scumhunting if you just let people not answer your questions and forget about it?

So its a bad thing if the game actually STARTS being a game on page for, rather than on page 10? Its bad for us to start actual content early? ... Why exactly?

Please answer this, You've ignored it all game. Also, please answer the other question that you purposefully ignored, as you stated in the last spoiler of your post #213, and also state what the question was and who asked it, as I don't remember the second question you were asked that was ignored.

Glowball, don't throw.a hissy fit. No pro-town player should need to be asked for their reads - and definitely not twice.

More often than not I've noticed scum ask for reads on specific players so that they can gauge the town before nightphase. I am not withholding any crucial information as I have already stated who I would be willing to lynch today and that should be enough.

This is a double edged sword. Yes you are keeping the scum from seeing who has the biggest townie points, which is good. BUT, you are also making it impossible for us to know if when you switch your vote in a week to the newest bandwagon, and you tell us they were a scum suspect all along, whether or not you're telling us the truth. I'd say its a toss-up as to whether or not posting one is more helpful to town or to scum.

-snip-

I'll read through your spoilers after I finish reading everything and commenting. they are quite long.

You know, I got through that wall up until you started personally attacking me which just isn't cool and you will be blacklisted accordingly.

Now, if I am lynched because of these weak reasons my reads don't matter. If you say they do you are lying because once I am dead they'll be quickly forgotten. I've played enough games to watch so many people go unnoticed after they are dead. Maybe they got lynched because they were scummy and you think they don't know how to play so why would you listen to their reads? RIGHT you don't. If you aren't listening to my reads NOW then you won't listen later. So no you don't deserve them, and after continually being insulted I won't give them. Lynch me if you don't like it.

-sigh- Wait to blacklist him until post-game please? People play to win, and sometimes that means attacking the integrity of other players. Its a part of the game. Don't take it personal, unless he fails to apologize post-game. Also, don't withhold information or responses to accusations from the town just because your feelings are hurt. Don't handicap the town to get back at another player. Thats just such an asinine plan, I don't see a possible way to understand it.

AtE is something I seem to frequently do, but it's never really a game tactic as most perceive it. I am just a generally sensitive person

NOT trying to be sexist in any way shape or form whatsoever as irl you can ask any person who knows me, I am sexist in FAVOR of females, and will talk shit about the male gender of the human species day in and day out, BUT that probably comes from being a female. Both the natural use of AtE, and the sensitivity. js

[Maruchan]

wow i fucked up my quote tag.

Mod, can you add a " after the date and time in my screwed up quote?. THANKS! ♥♥

Done, I think. --Mod

[Maruchan]

Maruchan is actively avoiding this thread. He has posted in SEVERAL other games SEVERAL times.

I make it 91 posts.

I've been waiting to see how long till someone said something. Good Job.

Hoppster: Madd townie points.

I believe someone asked me for a list of reads a few pages back?

Townie Side

RoboThor
Hoppster
Thunderwielder
Amrun
Aukmid
Supreme Overlord
MrTrow
Glowball
lane
Nobody Special
saulres

Scummie Side

Scummie points to saulres & MrTrow for not caring even AFTER being pointedly told that I have been active elsewhere while inactive here for over twenty four hours.

Only scum like lurkers.

[Maruchan]

On a side note: I wasn't actively voiding the thread, I have had this thread open and refreshed every 10-30 minutes for the majority of the day, every day since my last post. I just wanted to see if anyone cared to point out that I was actively avoiding the thread. Hoppster gets good points for this, even though he had an unfair advantage.

[Maruchan]

Oh, free town-points? Kewl. You are forgiven.

Oh, but wait, you're not voting. Remedy that and give me more town points for pointing this out kthxbai.

Honestly thought my vote was still on Saulres. muh bad.

No more townie points for that as scum or town would've pointed that out.

Vote: Nobody Special

I ISO'd him last night and agree with most of the points that have been stated. If you'd like me to, I will re-state them and quote the posts he make that I am referencing to with each point, but I remember being asked to NOT make pointless walls, which, repeating what others have said is considered a pointless wall in my book.

Why not Saulres? I don't see any chance of Saulres being lynched today so I will settle for my second highest scum-read. Plus they're all relatively close on my list of scummieness.

[Maruchan]

He also reads everyone in the game as town, except himself!

Please tell me you aren't really this stupid.

[Maruchan]

Please tell me you aren't really this stupid.

Please tell me why you're treating my post seriously when yours obvious wasn't.

I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Not because of scumtell, not because of newbtell, not even because of towntell.

Because of trolltell.

1. I don't troll, this is just me. Take it or leave it.
2. I was being serious, so yes I took your reply seriously to my serious post.
3. Now whose trolling?

[Maruchan]

Oh, free town-points? Kewl. You are forgiven.

Oh, but wait, you're not voting. Remedy that and give me more town points for pointing this out kthxbai.

Honestly thought my vote was still on Saulres. muh bad.

No more townie points for that as scum or town would've pointed that out.

I don't understand how that is different from pointing out your lurking.

you took the time to go check my other games to make sure I was lurking before accusing me of lurking, and you also checked to see how many posts I'd made since I lost posted here.

You seriously thought it made me scummy. Scum wouldn't have seriously thought it made me scummy, they would have just yelled "hes lurking" to see what stuck. IE: townie points.

[Maruchan]

need to vote for maruchan. he continued his go ahead and vote me type defense like 5 pages ago. that wasn't real awesome in my eyes. maybe its the way he plays, i guess i'll learn when he flips. BUT NOW! this flimsy ass strategy of purposely not posting and waiting to see who would bring it up just to call them town? I think that is a huge load of crap. I think maruchan is fake. all he was trying to do is try and make himself look town. he wasnt really trying to see who else was town, he already knows whos town. he was legitamately only trying to appear town by giving someone else madd town points.

i think glowball is not a good lynch. i'm not finding the scumminess that thunderwielder is tunneling. personally if i was glowball i would stop responding to thunder just cause he's being kind of a douche to her. i find the sarcasm to be completely anti-town and not helping anything. i dont find glowball's refusing to give her town reads scummy. scum would have cracked by now and given reads so they wouldn't appear scummy. thats my opinion.

My "Purposefully not post and see who points it out" is just as bad as glowball's "Purposefully not answer a direct question and see who points it out".

Jus Sayin.

[Maruchan]

One last thing before I go

Ask all you want, but Maruchan finds Saulres way more scummy than I do but you aren't asking him for a case.

1) Exaggeration. I'm pretty sure Maruchan is not laying down the "I'M ONLY VOTING FOR TWO PEOPLE AND THAT'S IT! RAH RAH RAH!" card (Maruchan, please correct me if I'm wrong).
2) There's a bit of truth in this statement, Maruchan, I would like to hear your case on Saul. BUT, I'm hesitant about asking, because I'd like to see if Glowball can actually come up with reasons why Saul is scummy and vocalize them before she has someone to parrot. Hey Maruchan, can you promise Glowball that you'll provide your case for her, after she provides yours? Glowball, would that work for you? Or are you still going to say it's really super duper obvious why he's scummy? --

And if that's the case, why should we all start putting blame on Maruchan for all these obvious reasons that he seems to be the only one to grasp

Again, you're being a hypocrite. AGAIN, you're contradicting yourself.
--Glowball is playing the "Don't look at me, LOOK OVER THERE!" card. We have two possible scenarios

1)

Saulres is really super duper scummy for really obvious reasons, therefore Glowball doesn't have to give a case, but we should definitely all focus on Maruchan for the exact same reason (of not giving a case).
OR

2)

Saulres isn't really super duper scummy, and although Glowball suspects him a bit, Maruchan suspects him waaaaaaay more, and is therefore super duper scummy because of it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

But while we're on the subject, Maruchan, was your only reason for staying away from the conversation a test to see who's the most townie? What would have happened if Saulres (who is your top suspect) pointed that out? Would he automatically have become townie?
I'm not sure I completely buy your reasonings. Are you sure it wasn't because Glowball and I were starting to overtake the thread with our argument and you used that to hide behind and avoid drawing further attention to yourself? Come on, now, you can tell the truth.

1. Nope. I'd be content with voting about the bottom 3-5 names on my list, depending on whether or not I thought the furthest-down names had any chances of today-wagons. THe lsit is also subject to change with each and every post made by each and every person so.
2. You beat me to it. I was about to reply saying I'd happily make a case after Glowball does (She WAS asked first after all), but then I read you asking me to do just that.
3. No that wasn't my ONLY reason. It was partly because other than asking me for a list, nobody was really talking to me anymore in this game, and I am in a bunch of WAY more interesting games (no offense to the mod) that I felt desired more of my attention. Oh and CoD sounded like fun.
4. If Saulres had pointed it out, he would have been bumped above Glowball on my list, and possibly one more space as well. Still on the scummier-end but not quite as scummy.
5. Ah I see you beat me to it again. like you said, the thread had stopped asking me or asking for my input, and I therefore stopped giving it as much. Normally I wouldn't have avoided it for so long, I would have avoided the thread for 2-3 posts then posted. But I immediately remembered Glowball's "Lets ignore Maruchan and see if he notices" ploy, so I wanted to pull something similar. Its a nice lil ploy I will totally admit to that, and I plan on using it in future games. So I decided to take a page out of her book and try it. So to answer, yes it had to do with keeping attention off of myself for the first few posts, but at the point where I normally would have said something to just still be seen as being around, it stopped being because I was trying to lay low, and started becoming a lil ploy to see who caught it.

[Maruchan]

need to vote for maruchan. he continued his go ahead and vote me type defense like 5 pages ago. that wasn't real awesome in my eyes. maybe its the way he plays, i guess i'll learn when he flips. BUT NOW! this flimsy ass strategy of purposely not posting and waiting to see who would bring it up just to call them town? I think that is a huge load of crap. I think maruchan is fake. all he was trying to do is try and make himself look town. he wasnt really trying to see who else was town, he already knows whos town. he was legitamately only trying to appear town by giving someone else madd town points.

i think glowball is not a good lynch. i'm not finding the scumminess that thunderwielder is tunneling. personally if i was glowball i would stop responding to thunder just cause he's being kind of a douche to her. i find the sarcasm to be completely anti-town and not helping anything. i dont find glowball's refusing to give her town reads scummy. scum would have cracked by now and given reads so they wouldn't appear scummy. thats my opinion.

My "Purposefully not post and see who points it out" is just as bad as glowball's "Purposefully not answer a direct question and see who points it out".

Jus Sayin.

well good, at least we can both agree about what you were doing and how bad it was.

That we can. And I wasn't doing it in any hopes for it to point me as town btw. I figured it would point me as scummier in most cases, not townier. I just wanted to see if I could get myself a obvTown out of it at least.

[Maruchan]

what does FTR mean?

[Maruchan]

FINALLY> God damn this is like the tenth time today I saw it and I was like all "WTF"

[Maruchan]

Bye Nobody Special!

I don't think we should lynch him until we get a claim though, fro ma replacement.

[Maruchan]

Is that scum playing the "You should lynch me" card so as to appear to be OK with being lynched when really they arent? Or is that town honestly being OK with being lynched.

Seems to be could be either

[Maruchan]

I agree. why are you voting a "lulz lynch them" over a scum-read when your vote on your scum-read would place them as tied for the leading wagon

[Maruchan]

Saulres, any lurking by him is still a valid point. He requested to be replaced, he didn't flake/get force-replaced.

His inactivity for the past two days is just as lurky mc lurksalot as a lurker who DOESN'T replace out.

[Maruchan]

There is no rule that says I have to answer your questions.

What is with your continual refusal to answer questions/deliberate avoidance of answering questions?

[Maruchan]

There is no rule that says I have to answer your questions.

[Maruchan]

@Mod, what is your rule on lynches@deadline? If we hit the deadline with no majority, is it a No Lynch, or is it a lynch of the most voted for player?

Not saying I want the game deadlined, that would suck. I just want to know just in case

[Maruchan]

Right. So if we all don't kick our asses in gear by the 5th, its a NL. GOOD TO KNOW!

[Maruchan]

goodposting by saulres gives +1 townie point. still one of the two most scummy players here. (NS and him)

[Maruchan]

Yeah, I've got a third read, but it's not as strong as you or Maruchan and I am still unsure if you two are scumz together one flip will make all things clear. I mean the reactions have helped me scum hunt, I never said the reactions told me EXACTLY who the scum are. When I know, which I suspect by tomorrow if we lynch correctly, I will let you know unless we lynch you which as I said before is still just as suitable as Maruchan.

You said you are unsure if me and him are scum together, but one flip will make all thigns clear.

explain this please?

If he flips scum, what do you expect, and if he flips town what do you expect?
if I flip scum, what do you expect, and if i flip town what do you expect?

[Maruchan]

It helps me determine if you're being serious or scum trying to look like you actually think something.

Because if you were to say "If Maruchan flips town then we lynch Saulres for being scum, and if Saulres flips town then we lynch Maruchan for being scum, but if either one flips scum, we lynch the other for being partners" then I would have known you were full of BS.

You're whole "I am still unsure if you two are scum together one flip will make things clear" statement sounds like a whole lot of nothing made to sound like something.


Unless you actually think one of our scum flips will deter you from lynching the other tomorrow, due to you don't think us bot hare scum, in which case you WOULDN'T think we are scum team.

But thinking we MIGHT be scum-team based on a flip is an easy-to-say yet hard-to-interpret way of saying "We lynch them both no matter which way they flip"

[Maruchan]

I do not line up lynches. PERIOD. I am not going to tell you what one flip means over the other until the next day phase if I make it. The information you ask for is information scum asks for to assess their kills at night. "Oh well she said that if Saulres was scum then I wasn't so it's ookay to keep her around or let's WIFOM" NO. It sets up for something bad this early.

did you even read my post?

I don't give a fuck about your answers. I was trying to trap you into saying what I said so I could point to it and say you said it.

I don't give a fuck about the flips, I am just showing that you're whole "MAYBE they aren't a scum team DEPENDING ON FLIPS" is a load of BS.

[Maruchan]

I don't have a page full of every single positive and negative point.

I was makign a joke while also pointing out that his post WAS good.

About the case, I have already agreed to give one the second glowball does, but We also agreed to generally force her to show hers first, since A: She was asked first, B: She is the only one unwilling to give a case.

[Maruchan]

Glow didn't hop on the wagon without immediately looking for more information, this gives glowball townie-brownies* in my book. Maru on the other hand, laid down the vote first but then waited for glowball to "make a case" (as much as one can be made) before sheeping. Letting someone do the work for you is scummy scum scummy...

I would be willing to support a Maruchan wagon at this point, but as these are early reads, they are of course subject to change as I read along.

*townie-brownies redeemable for absolutely nothing and subject to givers whims, sorry.

These were the main things I noticed, once we get some flips I will have a lot more to go on as I have detailed voting notes up to where I left off and hope to continue this trend.

I didn't ask why because I figured my vote on him and my reasoning would be more than enough for him to explain why he didn't RVS. However, as I learned from post #19 (the one you left out), Saulres was NOT going to explain the lack of RVS without prompting, and by the time I read 19 and learned this, #20 had been posted, so my inquiry as to why he wasn't RVSing had already been started by another player.


I am sorry I assumed he would defend his actions when called out on them. I guess I should know better than to assume this of everyone [/sarcasm]

[Maruchan]

I do not line up lynches. PERIOD. I am not going to tell you what one flip means over the other until the next day phase if I make it. The information you ask for is information scum asks for to assess their kills at night. "Oh well she said that if Saulres was scum then I wasn't so it's ookay to keep her around or let's WIFOM" NO. It sets up for something bad this early.

did you even read my post?

I don't give a fuck about your answers.

I was trying to trap you into saying what I said so I could point to it and say you said it.

I don't give a fuck about the flips, I am just showing that you're whole "MAYBE they aren't a scum team DEPENDING ON FLIPS" is a load of BS.

You were trying to trap me into saying something? How is that not scummy? You wanted me to be a diversion later down the line? GODDAMNIT NOODLES! I hate Thunder but you are screaming scumz

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maruchan

Yes. I was. I was trying to get scum to make a scumslip by trapping them in a corner.

That what happens when scum say something that brings attention. they get trapped into scumslipping.

[Maruchan]

And no, I didn't want you to be a diversion later down the line. I wanted to trap you into saying it, so I could immediately point to it and go "SCUM!!!!!!!-points2her-" and then vote you

[Maruchan]

I did not agree to that. She's obviously not going to or she would have the first 500 times she was pressured to. We can pretty much forget about it. The only thing worse than 1 person giving reads when asked is more people refusing to give reads because one other person won't. It will be easy to tell if she piggy backs off of your reads. We are smart people. Now I think its time to forget about glowball not giving reads. Its a bullet point against her in my eyes. Maybe a bolded bullet point. . Certainly not 8 pages or whatever its been. Now let's move on and id like to see your reads on saulres.

No. I won't give my reads so that she can go "Well maruchan pointed otu everything already so there is nothing left to point out."

We (excluding you apparently) earlier discussed this, and I am perfectly willing to give my reads on saulres as soon as glowball does. I am not letting her off the hook, just because she says no.

[Maruchan]

glowball, I was trying to trap you into pointing out your OWN scumslip. THATS WHAT THE TRAP was. You scumslipped already, and I asked you a question hoping I could trap you into pointing it out yourself, rather than me having to.


Sorry I would prefer scum point out their scummieness than myself.

[Maruchan]

lol glowball. I liek that last sentence.


And @ everyone asking me for a case, ok I will write one up in the morning.

[Maruchan]

GLowball won't claim. Its against her morals or some shit like that.

[Maruchan]

@glowball, I wasn't going to mention any ongoing games.

And you've stated you dislike claiming period although sometimes you will. I just figured this time you wouldn't. I was prepared to be wrong, but I wasn't, and so I feel my read was correct. ^_^

[Maruchan]

I STATE MY READS! Goodness you guys just don't read between the lines... it is rather obvious, I just don't feel the need to come outright with it.

Amrun knows me so well

also, in other news stop stalking me into game sign ups!!!!!!!!!

I assume its lane.

[Maruchan]

I point again to my first scumhunting post, where I make the case that glowball, Maruchan, and Amrun are the three mafia, and there was bussing.

It will be interesting to see if/how Maruchan votes glowball; he's been saying she's scummy, but hasn't taken any action about it.

She was 1 notch higher on my scum list than NS, and NS's wagon is currently bigger. If I feel NS has less chance of getting lynched today than her, she will get my vote. Just like if saulres gets closer to getting voted he will get my vote.

It all depends on which of my scum-reads is closer to lynch.

[Maruchan]

I KNEW IT WAS LANE

[Maruchan]

@Piggy, I see you stalking this thread. commetnz plz

[Maruchan]

@Piggy, I see you stalking this thread. commetnz plz

that was the wrong thread



im an idiot.

[Maruchan]

p-edit: Saulres, everyone has to start somewhere, but your scumteam case is seriously terrible, and you need to watch yourself. You're building castles on sand.

Yes, you've said that before.

I find it interesting that the only people I remember telling me my theory was a bad idea are you and Maruchan who are both

part

of that theory. If it's a bad theory and I shouldn't pursue it, I'd expect that a

bunch

of pro-town people would be telling me so. Not just two of the people I suspect.

Just because you suspect someone doesn't mean they can't give truthful advice.

[Maruchan]

what happens if one of them flips scum, knowing you'll assume the other two are? Seems it would be a nice ploy for scum to use to incriminate two townies.

[Maruchan]

Nono, I am not accusing Saulres with that post, I am saying it would be a good ploy for me/glowball/third person, to get ourselves lynched to make the other two look scummy.

[Maruchan]

But i'll get to my case on him i na bit

[Maruchan]

Amrun is a she if she is in the game

[Maruchan]

Why so she is, didn't notice that under her avatar.

Great, I'm thinking two girls are probably scum. I'm glad this isn't really life or I'd never have gotten married...

lol.

[Maruchan]

I love how you guys picked up the gender stuff and no comments on anything else...

So, I finally caught up... my head hurts from all of the emotions flowing through pages 12-16ish.

I caught Lane's pr comment too and I agree that it is likely anti-town mistake, not scummy.

@Amrun- when you are playing, do you ever catch things and say, oh that seems PRish, regardless of your alignment. Also I can think of a few other reasons for town to PR hunt.

I find it interesting that two of the people voting me have a small amount of content. (I'm not up on V-LA's so if either trow or hopp is on V-LA I Rescind the following:)

Hoppster comes in, engages in an argument with NS and leaves... Trow...trow has two posts... Jon had two and Kondi never posted... 4 posts for one slot on page 21 of the game... serial lurking (not to be confused with lurking) is definately a scum-tell.

I would be satisfied seeing Maruchan hang the most, but Glowball is number two on my list of scumspects followed closely by trow. I don't see Maruchan getting rope today so I will lay down my vote elsewhere. If anyone wants to join me in swinging back to Maru, and thinks we can do it by the deadline, lets go!

otherwise...

Vote: Glowball

(side note: It felt really good to type out that vote... it's good to be back.

When I am a doc I PR hunt

I mean

cough

[Maruchan]

Maruchan and thunderwielder are going after Glowball.

Maruchan....has been on defense all game. Defense=scum.

These seem rather contradictory. Especially since you think Glowball is scum, I would make that qualify as going after=scumhunting.

[Maruchan]

Maruchan

, I've been talking to you. Answer me! Posts 449 and 477. Can you also comment on my response to you in #505?

Armrun, please respond to my questions in #447; why is glowball town?

IPeople don't like certain roles, thus they replace in, see that they got that role and then do nothing. Scum tends to be one of those roles.

I dunno. Scum roles are (obviously) rarer than town roles, I would have thought people would rather hang on to them. But I don't like using replacing out as a hint either way.

Anyway, thoughts on what I've just written?

I've said something to this effect before, but I'd rather have mothrax thatn glowball going into Day 2. At the moment, it's glowball < mothrax < lane in terms of who I want to lynch.

huh, that doesnt look like much lol, but its doin it for me

To me, it doesn't look like you've got much past the early game. Can you give a complete list of the town, in order of scummy to townie, with justification?

Yeah I'll get right on it and do my case of Saulres. Sorry guys, I just was extremely worn out today after my DEP meeting so I've avoided doing anything intensive and just lounged for the past few hours.

[Maruchan]

About the case, I have already agreed to give one the second glowball does, but We also agreed to generally force her to show hers first, since A: She was asked first, B: She is the only one unwilling to give a case.

OK, we've established that glowball is not going to make a case, and as lane said, it will be obvious if she tries to copy your reasons. ...Of course, you're not even voting saulres now, but you said he's still high on your list (#334). So can you make a case on saulres, explain why you're voting mothrax now and rank your top three scummiest players?

I realise you said this:

I am not letting her off the hook, just because she says no.

She's pretty much on the hook permanantly for saying no for so long. Given that we've established that she's refusing and is scummy for it, can you make your case now?

Yeah I'll make it in my next post, I am replying to your posts then I'll go do the case.

Mothrax looks like he might be able to make some decent posts. I would be quite happy for him to catch up and contribute.

Just because the original scummy person replaced out, doesn't nullify the scummy things he did. Yes I would like to see some activity from Mothrax, even if he is getting lynched I'd still want to see activity, so that if we're wrong (which town is quite often on D1), we have some good information to look at. I'd expect this of anybody that is getting lynched.

NS's (now mothrax) wagon is only bigger because you're on it. If you think glowball is scummier than NS (was), why not make it 5-3 rather than the current 4-4?

When I said that, I was looking at the most recent vote count of the time, which showed NS as being a bigger wagon than glowball. As all three of my scum-reads are nearly the same in respect to how scummy I find them, it looked like a better chance to get one of my three scumreads out of the way.

what happens if one of them flips scum, knowing you'll assume the other two are? Seems it would be a nice ploy for scum to use to incriminate two townies.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. If one of them flips scum, we've successfully lynched scum. I doubt that scum would sacrifice one of their own on a bet that we'll lynch two more townies solely on saulres' word.

No, but if one of their own was already looking scummy, they might decide to try to bus their partner in the hopes that it would convince some of the town that two townies are scum. Honestly, it is just never a good idea to make "scum-team" reads rather than individual scum reads.

[Maruchan]

Spoiler: Saulres case

#22, after me and glowball ask why he didn't RVS he tells us he was trying a new way of starting off a game, then proceeds to place a RVS to try to quell our suspicion. Either one or the other would have been perfectly acceptable, but defending your lack of an RVS, then RVSing is just slightly too "placate-the-angry-mob" for me.
#38 "jokingly" asks about whether or not changing an RVS vote at that point would make him look suspicious. TOown shouldn't care if they look suspicious, if they see something they need to do/say, they should do/say it, as in the end, they are expendable. Scum have to defend themselves from looking suspicious so as to stay alive to win.
#40 defends himself with the "THEY DID IT SO ITS OK FOR ME TO DO IT" argument. never a good defense. just screams "DONT LOOK AT ME LOO KAT THEM!"
#75 votes someone based on a null tell
#119 the last line is full of AtE
#234 tried to make scum-accusations based off of meta-gameplay not even involving half of the people he is accusing. Also begins the "ScumTeam" claims, whichs sets him up nicely for future "Well SHE flipped scum, so why wouldn't THEY?"
#266 begins the WIFOM argument of "they would never do that" "which is precisely why they WOULD do that" which is precisely why they'd never do that" until infinity
#280 explains he'd rather lynch me than his other just-as-scummy read because I provide content and she doesn't (seems kinda backwards to me)
#336 reason for voting has changed from NullTell to ScumTell to TrollTell. Says I am not scutmelling towntelling or newbtelling, just
trolltelling. Which deserves a vote rather than scum-read glowball.
#343 changes it from just trolltell to scumtell cake+trolltell icing
#408 tries to say that replacement nullifies all tells on a slot
#493 admits to the entire scum-team claim of hers is based off of glowball's past games. which is a weak excuse to suspect people.

That about sums up all the scummy things he's done all game. He's gotten a bit better the longer the day has been, but not enough to erase him totally from my scumlist. Maybe bump him to the least-scummy of my scum suspects.

[Maruchan]

Agree with glowball. I would like some information to be able to analyze other than he said she said posting. I'd like some FLIPS.

Or I'd like to die so I don't have to analyze anything.

Either way works fine for me.

[Maruchan]

I'd be fine with changing to Glowball, and I will tomorrow, if there aren't more voted on Morthrax.

I feel bad because half of this IS her playstyle, while the other half is scum, but the line as to where people are wanting her lynched for it is quite blurry. but I would prefer to lynch either of my scum suspects than a deadline no lynch

[Maruchan]

Good Luck!

also I'm getting off for the night. first day of my senior year tomorrow.

[Maruchan]

Can you quote posts on your phone? You could quote a vote with a post in it and modify it...

unvote vote glowball

Ps. Your quote is only here so I could get to this page. Thanks

Theres a button.

That says reply.

You click it to get to the same page as when you push quote.

[Maruchan]

Fuck it, she is in my scum-reads, even though not my preferred lynch.

Gowball ily♥ SEE YOU IN OTHER ONGOING GAMES!!!!

Vote: Glowball

[Maruchan]

Saulres, this is why you don't make scum-team predictions.

JUS SAYIN!

Also don't ever forget the favorite tool of scum, WIFOM. If any doc claims today with a save, I highly doubt they are being legit. More likely scum claiming to save, so as to A: Make town think they have a doc when they don't, B: Out the real doc, C: Clear one of their own.

[Maruchan]

Did you think that maru's purposeful not posting was a legitimate strategy? because i dont see it like that at all

I think it was stupid and useless, but since I don't think it damaged the town at all, I don't see it as indicative of alignment.

Maruchan, which of Saulres' scenarios do you think is most likely?

Depending on the Scum Team, 4 is a valid possibility, that I do NOT want to overlook (See: My completed Newbie game, Packbat's Reaction to N1 ScumKill). If there are scum who (like me) love them some good 'ol WIFOM in the mornin, 4 is definitely something to keep an eye on.

Three is possible in some games, but I don't think there are any combination of three players in this game who are inactive enough for the lack of nightkill to be an inactive scumteam.

Therefor, I find 1 or 2 most likely, as to which? That depends on what the scumteam decided pre-game.

As to the first bit of your post I quoted, I agree. I was merely doing it to prove a point to glowball, that deliberately doing something anti-town to see how other people react to it, does not make the move a pro-town move. (Re: her deliberately ignoring my questions to see if I noticed)

[Maruchan]

I wasn't trying to say #4 was what happened to discredit your posts, I was saying we need to NOT throw it out the window as a possibility.

As you said, Packbat threw it out the window as a possibility, and I (as scum no less) WARNED him against throwing out the scum-r-WIFOMing option. Which is exactly what happened.


I just like to always make sure nobody ever out-rules any possibility of anything based on "It is unlikely scum would do that." Because as soon as you say that, that exponentially increases the likeliness that scum will do it.

I'm not sure what the "current site meta" is what I believe the term is, right now. But I know when I am scum I either try to do the WIFOMiest Night Option, or do the most stupidly obvious it wouldn't seem possible option.

[Maruchan]

Lane, I hammered because She had been in my scum-reads al lday, and we already knew she wasn't going to claim.

More conversation?
You're kidding me right?

WE WERE LESS THAN TWENTY FOUR HOURS FROM FUCKING DEADLINE.

I hammered to make sure that some idiot wouldn't unvote and force a no lynch.

[Maruchan]

Next time I will be sure to let deadline hit without hammering when I have the chance though. But you can't call me scum for letting no lynch happen!

[Maruchan]

Not how you see it?

So what, you think if I hadn't hammered, there was no chance in hell a No Lynch would happen?

With 24 hours left and anybody NOT voting her was pretty much refusing to vote her?

If I hadn't hammered when I did, I doubt we'd have had a lynch yesterday at all.

[Maruchan]

@Maruchan (or anyone can answer the general time specific questions)--how much time was left on the deadline when you hammered? Why? You are a very active poster, as we've all seen, so I'm sure you could have waited to hammer closer to the deadline, right? Or I am wrong here? Please maybe enlighten me some more. I don't think you can justify it as "Anybody NOT voting her was pretty much refusing to vote her" because we hadn't even heard from RoboThor or Mr.Trow. I think that comment applies only to Amrun (she seemed to be one of the only people defending Glowball to the end, which gives her townie points in my book).
---I also don't like how Maruchan's trying to keep all the options open in terms of Night Kill speculation. I agree with Saul, this is a possible discrediting factor.

We had just barely 19 hours left until deadline, and it was almost 6PM my time. At 8PM my TV show would have come on, went until 9PM then I would have went to bed, woken up the next morning, goen to school, and not been home until jsut before 4PM.

That would have been 22 hours.

During the last 20 of that 22 hours, I could not guarantee I would have had the chance to log in, whatsoever, and I did not want to risk it. Why did I not wait the extra two hours? I have shitty memory, like legit. I'll walk downstairs to get a glass of koolaid and while I am down there I'll decide I want a string cheese, and get all the way back upstairs before I remember I left my glass of koolaid on the counter. I didn't want to risk forgetting to put my vote on her.

As for me telling you guys not to rule out options being scummy? Seriously? Ok.
-fakescenario-
-me+Saulres are scumbuddies-
IM CLAIMING DOCTOR!!!!!
I WAS ON SAULRES LAST NIGHT!!!!!
no ccs?
WE'RE BOTH CLEAR
-/fake scenario-

so yeah. Scum No Kill is a viable option, and I will not rule it out unless you give me some SERIOUSLY convincing facts as to how it is impossible that it happened.

[Maruchan]

But I know when I am scum I either try to do the WIFOMiest Night Option, or do the most stupidly obvious it wouldn't seem possible option.

In ALLLL of my scum-games, I have

never

considered making a No Kill, or any kill, for 'teehee Wine-in-front-of-me' (loldatrhymes), and I don't believe my team-mates have contemplated such things either.

You are probably the only person here who would consider such a thing. You claim to be town. Therefore, you shouldn't worry about it.

Like I said, I am not familiar with what you guys call "the current sitewide meta", all I know is it is something I personally would do, and therefore I wouldn't so easily rule it out.

Afterall, if they had NKed last night, and now today they are getting exactly what they want. We're debating whether or not they would have possibly NKed, and some people are pointing scumfingers at a townie for suggesting it is a possible option.

[Maruchan]

maruchan-
to add to my list, i'm diggin this nice buddying to one of the people who are most suspicious of him.

Saulres, this is why you don't make scum-team predictions.

JUS SAYIN!

Also don't ever forget the favorite tool of scum, WIFOM. If any doc claims today with a save, I highly doubt they are being legit. More likely scum claiming to save, so as to A: Make town think they have a doc when they don't, B: Out the real doc, C: Clear one of their own.

You're going to call that buddying?

That was me being a fucking dick and screaming I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YO USO in his face, without being an actual ass.

[Maruchan]

By the way, on the setup and no-killing; according to the wiki there have been three Pick Your Poison games played; all of which were Doc-RB. There was only one Scum QT available, but it looks like no scum team considered a no kill. I think that the most likely case is Doc-Rb, and with those two roles floating around scum probably want to get every kill they can. (Sorry thunder, but I typed this before you posted.)

Mmm. Research, this is good. Something I never would do and therefor never would have seen. And you are right, if I was scum I would pick RB and DOC, as who the fuck wants a cop? Unless you did RB+Cop hoping to WIFOM the RB into CopBlocking, but that would be too far of a stretch to want it.

So I agree with you now, it is highly unlikely that scum NKed last night, due to the higher chances of non-cop PRs. But I still won't ever rule it out completely until the mod tells us without a doubt scum did NOT No Kill. Just to be safe.

[Maruchan]

no it doesnt, cause its not in that sense. if you need to call it a defense, then you forgot the actual reason i defended glowball. which is that she WASNT EVEN SCUM!!! AND I DIDNT THINK THAT SHE WAS SCUM!! does any of this make sense if i am town? ?

Does anyone else see what I see?

[Maruchan]

- loves yet prevents RQS as discussion starter based on a joke, which lasted from p2 to p8 (on page 4 it was clear, this wasn`t going to get resolved any time soon)
- wifom-lover (at least as scum) who uses 'doc' as base for setup-discussions -> knows the setup?
- last line of #634: were you afraid of a total moron(yeah right, it requires more intelligence to write the unvote post than to realise this is a bad idea) going for a no-lynch or glowball`s somewhat clumsy buddy(which would be a second scum identified for the price of a no-lynch)?

Vote: Trow

I will unvote when you learn how to read.
1. "Based on a joke". based on a joke? -.- did you not fuckign read? I TRIED TO PREVENT IT BASED ON ROBOTHOR'S HATING IT. And RoboTHor kindly vouched for this when he finally showed up. Ask him if you don't believe me.
2. "Uses doc as a base for setup-discussions" ??? Link to where I used doc as a base for setup discussions, as the only place I remember mentioning the word doc, is: BE WARY OF SCUM FAKECLIMING IT. hadurdadur?
3. "glowball's somewhat clumsy buddy" -.- Seriously? Just. Really? Get out. What did glowball flip gudsir?

[Maruchan]

Maruchan is actively avoiding this thread. He has posted in SEVERAL other games SEVERAL times.

I make it 91 posts.

I've been waiting to see how long till someone said something. Good Job.

Hoppster: Madd townie points.

49 this time. Do I get madd townie points now?

No. This is called I've been busy, and hadn't seen anything worth commenting on in this thread. THhe thread was almost 100% dead for twenty-four hours, I wasn't the only one not posting here.

[Maruchan]

Thank you for not being an actual ass to me, I guess...

When I get to reviewing, I'm going to keep this post in mind. Thanks for reminding me about it.

No problem. I do like to gloat, but I don't like to throw it in other peoples' faces and put them down.

[Maruchan]

I will unvote when you learn how to read.
1. "Based on a joke". based on a joke? -.- did you not fuckign read? I TRIED TO PREVENT IT BASED ON ROBOTHOR'S HATING IT. And RoboTHor kindly vouched for this when he finally showed up. Ask him if you don't believe me.

Like he said,

it was mostly me just picking fun at him

in revenge for getting lynched by him.

Picking fun at someone is another way to say making fun of someone, making fun of someone=/= a joke. Lrn2deferintiate.

2. "Uses doc as a base for setup-discussions" ??? Link to where I used doc as a base for setup discussions, as the only place I remember mentioning the word doc, is: BE WARY OF SCUM FAKECLIMING IT. hadurdadur?

When I am a doc I PR hunt

This was in response to someone saying "Why would anyone PR hunt NOT as scum?" Not having anything whatsoever to do with the setup. Nice try though.

Also don't ever forget the favorite tool of scum, WIFOM. If any doc claims today with a save, I highly doubt they are being legit. More likely scum claiming to save, so as to A: Make town think they have a doc when they don't, B: Out the real doc, C: Clear one of their own.

I already explained this one, It is me saying "BE WARY OF A DOC CLAIM" not sayign there is a doctor? how the fuck does me say "DONT TRUST DOCTOR CLAIMS" = "I THINK THERE IS A LEGIT DOCTOR"? This makes no sense. Explain your train of thought?

last but clearly not least

-fakescenario-
-me Saulres are scumbuddies-
IM CLAIMING DOCTOR!!!!!
I WAS ON SAULRES LAST NIGHT!!!!!
no ccs?
WE'RE BOTH CLEAR
-/fake scenario-

Read above, this was me saying "DO
NOT
TRUST
DOCTOR
CLAIMS", as in saying SCUM WIL LCLAIM DOCOTR. this has nothing to do with a REAL doctor? Again, nicetrythough?

3. "glowball's somewhat clumsy buddy" -.- Seriously? Just. Really? Get out. What did glowball flip gudsir?

I hammered to make sure that some idiot wouldn't unvote and force a no lynch.

Not only did glowball not flip yet at that time. (nullifying your point)
Said unvote would most likely have been made by someone we would like to catch (if a single No Lynch would have that result: great)(the point i was actually making)
Your remark i just quoted is either clumsy/incorrect or simply a lie

This was me in response to you CALLING ME GLOWBALL'S BUDDY. Glowball flipped town. How am I her buddy? I don't give a fuck if you think I am clumsy scum, I WAS DENYING THAT I WAS CLUMSY SCUM-BUDDY OF GLOWBALL. again. please lrn2read if you want me to unvote you.

[Maruchan]

emphasis on "SCUM-buddy of GLOWBALL"

[Maruchan]

Mr trow is grasping at straws harder and harder with each consecutive post he makes. My vote I now officially on him as a vote

[Maruchan]

I'll explain when I am not on a cellphone.

[Maruchan]

Revision: I'll explain it when I am not tired as fuck

[Maruchan]

You said my vote on maru is terrible. And keep bringing up how its scummy. And its a big part of why I'm scummy to you. But you never brought it up as even a point on glowball. Not even a ,hey that's scummy but I think glowball is still town. Why not? Why the double standard?

Not all votes for Maruchan are/were scummy. I didn't find glowball's particularly scummy, though I did find glowball's case on Maruchan not convincing, as noted, if you will look.

People voting for my town reads are not automatically scum, just like people voting for my scum reads are not automatically town. It just doesn't work that way.

FOR THE ATTENTION OF SCUM:

This is what good posting looks like.

[Maruchan]

Skimmed the case by lane abotu to finish reading it.

quick thought before I finish though:


I THOUGHT I TAUGHT YOU ALL THAT SCUMTEAM PREDICTIONS ARE IDIOTIC?
Lane, did you not learn this the first time around? Do we REALLY need to do it again? Lynch me, and maybe THIS TIME you'll learn that SCUM. TEAM. PREDICTIONS. ARE. STUPID.

[Maruchan]

Lynch me

Are you back to this again, or am I misreading?

you're mis-reading.

[Maruchan]

Skimmed the case by lane abotu to finish reading it.

quick thought before I finish though:


I THOUGHT I TAUGHT YOU ALL THAT SCUMTEAM PREDICTIONS ARE IDIOTIC?
Lane, did you not learn this the first time around? Do we REALLY need to do it again? Lynch me, and maybe THIS TIME you'll learn that SCUM. TEAM. PREDICTIONS. ARE. STUPID.

I'm with Saulres... he wasn't even talking about you.
Defensive much?

I thought the case was about me+NS+mothrax.

due to the whole faulty quotes shit.

[Maruchan]

@Robo, sometime between the 7=8 hours later I said I'll explain it when I am not tired as fuck. the 7 hour later, was after me having 2 PE classes and a navy PT group, and I was tired as fuck and not wanting to do anything. Then the 24 hours, I was literally home for 30 minutes after school before we went to dinner, and I knew we were going to dinner (Every friday night), So i didn't want to start if I'd have to stop. now we're doing our movie after dinner, so after the movie I should have time to explain everything.

[Maruchan]

@Robo, sometime between the 7=8 hours later I said I'll explain it when I am not tired as fuck. the 7 hour later, was after me having 2 PE classes and a navy PT group, and I was tired as fuck and not wanting to do anything. Then the 24 hours, I was literally home for 30 minutes after school before we went to dinner, and I knew we were going to dinner (Every friday night), So i didn't want to start if I'd have to stop. now we're doing our movie after dinner, so after the movie I should have time to explain everything.

That was supposed to be @Hoppster.

[Maruchan]

I am just going to quote the whole me&him interaction to make this easier, sorry for the wall, so I'll spoiler it:

Spoiler: Posts Back and Forth

6) Maruchan
- lurking to see who points it out - bs (especially while in another game with the one that caught you, even if he replaced in later)
- loves yet prevents RQS as discussion starter based on a joke, which lasted from p2 to p8 (on page 4 it was clear, this wasn`t going to get resolved any time soon)
- wifom-lover (at least as scum) who uses 'doc' as base for setup-discussions -> knows the setup?
- few weak 'trying to look town' points (#101 calling thunder town based on the weakest part of his #89, hey i`m also a clumsy-town @#526 )
: Scum
- last line of #634: were you afraid of a total moron(yeah right, it requires more intelligence to write the unvote post than to realise this is a bad idea) going for a no-lynch or glowball`s somewhat clumsy buddy(which would be a second scum identified for the price of a no-lynch)?

VOTE: MaruChan

- loves yet prevents RQS as discussion starter based on a joke, which lasted from p2 to p8 (on page 4 it was clear, this wasn`t going to get resolved any time soon)
- wifom-lover (at least as scum) who uses 'doc' as base for setup-discussions -> knows the setup?
- last line of #634: were you afraid of a total moron(yeah right, it requires more intelligence to write the unvote post than to realise this is a bad idea) going for a no-lynch or glowball`s somewhat clumsy buddy(which would be a second scum identified for the price of a no-lynch)?

Vote: Trow

I will unvote when you learn how to read.
1. "Based on a joke". based on a joke? -.- did you not fuckign read? I TRIED TO PREVENT IT BASED ON ROBOTHOR'S HATING IT. And RoboTHor kindly vouched for this when he finally showed up. Ask him if you don't believe me.
2. "Uses doc as a base for setup-discussions" ??? Link to where I used doc as a base for setup discussions, as the only place I remember mentioning the word doc, is: BE WARY OF SCUM FAKECLIMING IT. hadurdadur?
3. "glowball's somewhat clumsy buddy" -.- Seriously? Just. Really? Get out. What did glowball flip gudsir?

I will unvote when you learn how to read.
1. "Based on a joke". based on a joke? -.- did you not fuckign read? I TRIED TO PREVENT IT BASED ON ROBOTHOR'S HATING IT. And RoboTHor kindly vouched for this when he finally showed up. Ask him if you don't believe me.

Like he said,

it was mostly me just picking fun at him

in revenge for getting lynched by him.

2. "Uses doc as a base for setup-discussions" ??? Link to where I used doc as a base for setup discussions, as the only place I remember mentioning the word doc, is: BE WARY OF SCUM FAKECLIMING IT. hadurdadur?

When I am a doc I PR hunt

Also don't ever forget the favorite tool of scum, WIFOM. If any doc claims today with a save, I highly doubt they are being legit. More likely scum claiming to save, so as to A: Make town think they have a doc when they don't, B: Out the real doc, C: Clear one of their own.

last but clearly not least

-fakescenario-
-me Saulres are scumbuddies-
IM CLAIMING DOCTOR!!!!!
I WAS ON SAULRES LAST NIGHT!!!!!
no ccs?
WE'RE BOTH CLEAR
-/fake scenario-

3. "glowball's somewhat clumsy buddy" -.- Seriously? Just. Really? Get out. What did glowball flip gudsir?

I hammered to make sure that some idiot wouldn't unvote and force a no lynch.

Not only did glowball not flip yet at that time. (nullifying your point)
Said unvote would most likely have been made by someone we would like to catch (if a single No Lynch would have that result: great)(the point i was actually making)
Your remark i just quoted is either clumsy/incorrect or simply a lie

Hoppster: congrats, but it seems you`ll have to go without my mothrax vote for a little longer

I will unvote when you learn how to read.
1. "Based on a joke". based on a joke? -.- did you not fuckign read? I TRIED TO PREVENT IT BASED ON ROBOTHOR'S HATING IT. And RoboTHor kindly vouched for this when he finally showed up. Ask him if you don't believe me.

Like he said,

it was mostly me just picking fun at him

in revenge for getting lynched by him.

Picking fun at someone is another way to say making fun of someone, making fun of someone=/= a joke. Lrn2deferintiate.

2. "Uses doc as a base for setup-discussions" ??? Link to where I used doc as a base for setup discussions, as the only place I remember mentioning the word doc, is: BE WARY OF SCUM FAKECLIMING IT. hadurdadur?

When I am a doc I PR hunt

This was in response to someone saying "Why would anyone PR hunt NOT as scum?" Not having anything whatsoever to do with the setup. Nice try though.

Also don't ever forget the favorite tool of scum, WIFOM. If any doc claims today with a save, I highly doubt they are being legit. More likely scum claiming to save, so as to A: Make town think they have a doc when they don't, B: Out the real doc, C: Clear one of their own.

I already explained this one, It is me saying "BE WARY OF A DOC CLAIM" not sayign there is a doctor? how the fuck does me say "DONT TRUST DOCTOR CLAIMS" = "I THINK THERE IS A LEGIT DOCTOR"? This makes no sense. Explain your train of thought?

last but clearly not least

-fakescenario-
-me Saulres are scumbuddies-
IM CLAIMING DOCTOR!!!!!
I WAS ON SAULRES LAST NIGHT!!!!!
no ccs?
WE'RE BOTH CLEAR
-/fake scenario-

Read above, this was me saying "DO
NOT
TRUST
DOCTOR
CLAIMS", as in saying SCUM WIL LCLAIM DOCOTR. this has nothing to do with a REAL doctor? Again, nicetrythough?

3. "glowball's somewhat clumsy buddy" -.- Seriously? Just. Really? Get out. What did glowball flip gudsir?

I hammered to make sure that some idiot wouldn't unvote and force a no lynch.

Not only did glowball not flip yet at that time. (nullifying your point)
Said unvote would most likely have been made by someone we would like to catch (if a single No Lynch would have that result: great)(the point i was actually making)
Your remark i just quoted is either clumsy/incorrect or simply a lie

This was me in response to you CALLING ME GLOWBALL'S BUDDY. Glowball flipped town. How am I her buddy? I don't give a fuck if you think I am clumsy scum, I WAS DENYING THAT I WAS CLUMSY SCUM-BUDDY OF GLOWBALL. again. please lrn2read if you want me to unvote you.

emphasis on "SCUM-buddy of GLOWBALL"

to poke fun at:
- to tease
- to ridicule in a mischievous manner
- to make a joke at the expense of

As for the doctor-thing: i am not saying your stance is that we must have a doctor, my point is you are taking a stance.
Doc claims are a scum move can easily be translated to 'there is no doc'
(whether or not your remarks completely deny the possibility of a doc is irrelevant/you did admit to 2 cases of stating there will not be a doc-claim from town)
especially after you flip scum.
Considering you have admitted to be a wifom-lover this is what i would expect scum-maru to do.

If you want (me) to look at the the individual remarks:
"if i was a doc "(i would be doing exactly what this player just did): trying to be the next 'clumsy town'? (you even quoted a clumsy-town rather than scum for this)
"I WILL NOT BELIEVE DOC CLAIMS": did you want to talk about doctors? or were you intentionally preventing players from committing scum-tells?(actively hindering scumhunting?)
"fake scenario"(possibilities due to specific mechanic): would only work if there is no roleblocker (which in that scenario does exist) and would immediately draw the cop`s attention, while such a fake scenario with a cop would work as long as the cop isn`t roleblocked (which is detectable) .

"CALLING ME GLOWBALL'S BUDDY": i didn`t call you glowballs buddy, i called the 'unvoting idiot' glowballs buddy, as such your claimed motivation for that hammer would be (best case) town-you preventing a scum-tell in the 'unvoting idiot', result: i don`t buy your claimed motivation

MrTrow, can you comment on lane's case on Maruchan (post 550)?

You attack lane for not switching votes for 23 pages (nothing wrong with this if it remains the best case)
And call the glowball and NS wagons as motivation why the 23-page-long vote was not on the best case.
Lane had a townread on glowball and believed more pressure would not result in more info: one does not vote a townread, more info was indeed not coming
as for NS: What was there to add to the case/what information would come from the flip?

If it wasn`t for the deadline the vote/case(/pressure) were all where they needed to be, come deadline the vote was switched accordingly.
I do admit seeing a (weak but) possible connection lane-mothrax here, but i still have lane as town

- Maruchan`s careless response to a few votes indeed do not match calling glowball`s "You should lynch me"-card a scumtell
- The 'glowball has pulled this distancing/bussing scheme before' argument (a decent argument imo) is simply being ridiculed (although it matches the 'careless attitude' i don`t like it)
- I`m not as sold on the 'trying to look helpfull'-argument
- the 'lurking to see who picks it up' was indeed terrible (at best), excuse(/lie) more likely

all in all an ok case (decent continuation of one) with which i can agree with on over half of the points

@Hoppster: i assume this is a sufficient alternative for tl;dr

Mr trow is grasping at straws harder and harder with each consecutive post he makes. My vote I now officially on him as a vote

I had to turn off his spoilers. sorry


Lets address his case from the first post.
1. Yes, I did do this. Yes it can be seen as scummy. This is why in my first reply I left it out of my "list of Mr.Trow being an idiot", because this could be a legit scum-read. I also explained, I know and AGREE it is terribly stupid as shit, but was doing it to prove a point (That it was also stupid as shit when Glowball did it)
2. "based on a joke" I believe the term I used was poking fun at. Lets thesaurus.com this shall we?

How 'bout some dictionary?

I don't know about you guys, but to me this looks more like I was giving Thor a bucketful of shit because I was fucking pissed at him for mislynching me based off of finding my scummieness in asking RQS. Wait, DID THOR CONFIRM THIS?!?!? NO FUCKING WAY DUDE!!!

The whole Glowball/Maruchan thing is null - Maru is tweaking at me, and otherwise it's useless.
[snip snip snip]
I'm skimming Maru's walls...and by skimming I mean skipping. I've played with him before, I do not expect much brilliance there. I am beginning to suspect he's town though.

I do love RVS, go read newbie games linked on my wiki if you don't believe me. It's one of the two. I've only played in two. Hint: Thor's in it. I WAS preventing it, in order to show Thor I was stil la LITTLE upset about our past encounter, and he took it as such (as symbolized by the "Maru is tweaking at me")
Are you getting sick of me backing up with actual legit references all my use of sayings? Well sorry. You kind of forced me to do this by trying to misconstrue my words.
3. Yes, I love WIFOM as scum. How does this make me scummy? I am telling you all how I play as scum, if you doubt me check my completed scum games. How does my preference in play-style make me inherently scummy? Also, using doc for setup discussions? So? the doc is the easiest thing for scum to fake, so of course if scum are trying to fake something, I AM GOING TO ASSUME THEY WILL MAKE IT EASY FOR THEMSELVES> What scum like to intentionally make their lives hard exactly? I see Lane also mentioned a doctor. and so did whoever it was that did the research on past-games-of-PYP. So how are they not scum for mentioning a doctor? ZOMG YOU'RE GRASPING AT MARU-SCUM STRAWS THATS WHY!!!!
4. Again, this can actually be construed as a scum-tell if you so wish, so I did not try to deny it, as that is up to the readers' interpretation.
5. I just FINALLY understood this. He was asking me was I more afraid of idiot-town or clumsy-scumbuddy of the then-perceived-as-scum-Glowball. Honestly, I didn't fucking care. I just wanted to hammer to make sure we didn't have a FUCKING NO LYNCH. If you would rather we have a No Lynch, I will not hammer next time, just to make you happy.


This is why his case sucked, and I was trying to point that out to him in the second quoted post above, to which e replies with things that I just disproved (picking fun at =/= a joke), quoted a bunch of times where I said DO NOT TRUST DOC CLAIMS as confirmation that I know the setup. A: Why would town doc (if there is a doc) honestly claim this early? SO my BE WARY OF IT should have been dumb fucking common sense. B: I never said I didn't believe there was a doc did I? No. I just said to not be immediately trusting of them. As Robocopter has pointed out, he was right. Let them live overnight and see what happens.

His next reply, he tries to define poking fun at, which I completely agree. to make a joke at the expense of someone is not the same thing as calling something a joke. And it is also only ONE definition, clearly not the one I was using (hadurdadur, 2nd grade english?). Of the ones he listed "to ridicule in a mischievous manner" is probably the most accurate as to what I was doing. Which I explained. And he ignored.


This is why MrTrow is grasping at straws and I believe he deserves my vote. he's forcing things that are non-things to be seen as scummy to try to solidify a case, that barely exists. YES I have done sum things that can be seen as scummy. Doesn't mean me saying the word "Hi" would be scummy. But I bet MrTrow would try to spin it as such.




tl;DR: Fuckign read it, you asked for it.

[Maruchan]

@THunder, someone said there is never a situation in which a TOWNIE will PR-hunt, I was merely disproving this theory.

As for my whole "lie-low" thingamabober, I already stated that yes you could say it was because the pressure was going off of me, that was part of it, but it was more to prove how stupid ignoring someone/thign is.

[Maruchan]

^^^^^

[Maruchan]

God lane, the last ten posts you've made are TERRIBAD. AtE bullshit through and through. You're playing the "WAHHHHH WHY ME WHY ME!!!! I DONT DESERVE THIS" and draggin it across so many posts I literally skipped the last four of yours.


This was SUPPOSED to be posted 2 and a half hours ago.

but I was ninja'd

[Maruchan]

You know, I am not sure how many votes lane has. I don't care if I am the hammer. I just fucking want this AtE bullshit to end.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Lane

[Maruchan]

sowait.

is that a hammer or what?

I totally have no idea of the votecount at this point.

[Maruchan]

FIRSTPOST


Wow. Saulres was doc. X.X

[Maruchan]

lmao thunderwileder. Because they suspected me, I am scum?

Have we forgotten 2 things? A: The definition of WIFOM, B: The fact that as scum I LOVE LOVE LOVE some WIFOM.

Go read my first 2 completed scumgames and tell me I went for the obvious kills. lmfao. I usually kill the people with town reads on me, just for the reason you just demonstrated.

[Maruchan]

Click my wiki for a beautiful array of links clearly organized.

[Maruchan]

Tragedy makes a nice intro. vurry nice.

[Maruchan]

YOU REPLACED AUCKMID.

VOTE: Tragedy

Why would you point out I "buddied" Auckmid? (Pro tip: I didn't) unless you would think it would make me look bad? How does that make sense?

You know Auckmid is scum, that's why.

I'm not even going to address the rest of your post on me because it's tossing bollocks. "Where is this" my ass. Try reading the actual game instead of just ISOing me because my name comes first alphabetically and calling me scum out of laziness.

He is obvtown smart one. He is making a case on everyone, so his case on the guy he replaces is probably pretty legit.

[Maruchan]

@Maruchan, I think we've been wrong two times in a row, and now our doctor's dead. I think we ought to give SOME value to the ghosts of townies past.

PEdit--I think I see where you're coming from, Amrun. This latest post makes more sense to me than the first one.

Sobeit, but just know as scum I would never willfully decide to kill someone who suspected me over someone who valled me town and suspected someone else.

[Maruchan]

- NEW ADDITION: my favorite: 'lane was pr-hunting', was a mayor part of the case, maru pointed out this could be a doc-tell as well. YET he didn`t CARE about HAMMERING someone he had just explained to be a POSSIBLE DOC.

VOTE: maruchan

No. I expressed a reply to someone who said IT IS NEVER SMART TO PR HUNT AS TOWN.

That was what my comment about doc-PR-hunting was. NOT a defense of Lane.

nicetrytho

[Maruchan]

However, you're ignoring the other point thunder made - your first post today was a whole load of nothingness. Why? Where is your vote?

Thats because I didn't feel the need to defend myself from it, as it is a valid point and I have no defense. I felt liek saying firstpost, and was fucking tired as crap last night, so I didn't have anything to contribute.

Whether you love scum as WIFOM

shouldn't matter at all

- because you claim not to be scum! Why bother even telling us that you love WIFOM as scum -

unless you're scum?

Saying what I do as scum is a perfectly legit thing to say as town to show why I am not scum?

Tragedy makes a nice intro. vurry nice.

Not nice enough to tempt you into voting Amrun with Tragedy?

I didn't say whether or not I agreed wit hit, I just liked that she was going through and ISOing everyone, which is what I could tell she was doing. THAT was the nice part.

[Maruchan]

Whether you love scum as WIFOM

shouldn't matter at all

- because you claim not to be scum! Why bother even telling us that you love WIFOM as scum -

unless you're scum?

Saying what I do as scum is a perfectly legit thing to say as town to show why I am not scum?

Yep, my bad, I misinterpreted. >__>

However, a valid (albeit completely different) point I can make here - you keep going on about how you love WIFOM as scum. A great example of a WIFOM thing for scum to do is to do what you're doing RIGHT NOW. You're pointing out how you normally WIFOM kills - yet another angle of WIFOM would be if you then decided to not WIFOM the Night-Kills as such, instead going for this WIFOM-route of WIFOM-ing us about how you normally WIFOM night-kills and because you haven't been doing so you can't be scum...

>_>


You're still missing a vote.

I stopped reading after the second WIFOM jsyk. We can get into the grounds of double-WIFOMing triple WIFOM-ing and so on some other time, as it is a headache.

As for my vote ,I am waiting for the rest of Tragedy's ISOs. They are quite helpful.

[Maruchan]

I'm more likely to believe you're town, thinking about the recent NK. He could have been EASILY ML'd.
snip snip
Maru's leaning scum for me

saywut?

[Maruchan]

M'kay sorry guys I've been busy this week. First like actual REAL do-work-shit week of school. Had to fill out a NROTC Scholarship Application to make my recruiter happy and yesterday was our Dep-Meeting PLUS our dual-weekly PT session, so by the time I got home it was uberlate and I was worn out. I just got home from school/dinner/movie/playing with dad's new helicopter thingy so I'll go read all the shit since the flip and that the flips indicate and post back in like 1-2 hours with my readscaseonscummiest or whatever.


Anyone taking my lurk-alot to = scum, go read all my completed scum-flip games. I am the most avid poster in all of them, even the ones I replaced into 7 or so pages in. This week I have just been worn out period.

[Maruchan]

After reading through the dual-ISO of Saulres and Lane, I would have to say Morthrax as my top scumread.

If you'd all like I can explain why, but if so you can't yell at me for having similar sounding/repeated reasons. Most of why he is scum has already been stated by TW and hopp. I don't have much more to add.

[Maruchan]

TOo lazy to go through Trow's next stupid case right this second.

Will take care of it later.

[Maruchan]

I like that catch^^

and I thought my vote was on morthrax?

Vote: Morthrax

Amrun, are you saying tragedy isnt as scummy as morthrax, or why didn't you vote for her when you called her scum?

[Maruchan]

Your comment made no sense to me?

[Maruchan]

Ending that sentence with a question mark probably doesn`t make sense to anyone.
Care to be more specific?

If it is about my last post:
You (minor detail, the current #2 wagon) put someone at L-1 WITHOUT pointing this out (while we are about to have a replacement coming in)
I see no problem with you not wanting to be lynched, i do see one with setting up an accidental quickhammer.
Intentional or not i want that to be clear:

Mothrax is currently at L-1

My bad, I did not notice this.

Elll One on Morthrax everbody

[Maruchan]

@Thunderwileder, you're right I have been MUCH less active in ALL my games these past two weeks. Just with school starting up again I realized that I am a bit busier, and with my playstyle it makes it harder for me to concentrate onthe game. Which is why I am waiting till I am out of ALL of my current games before I in for a new one, so I will be back to myself. I still had a left-over from my super-loads-of-time Summer Schedule when I started this game.

@RoboTHor ask for clarification on anything I say and I will gladly try to explain better.

[Maruchan]

lol I almost did the same thing!!^^

[Maruchan]

I'd really rather a morthrax lynch, but Tragedy is my second choice.

[Maruchan]

My vote is currently hoping everybody will jump back on the morthraz lynch

[Maruchan]

@Maru: is it 'later' yet and where is your 'second choice' coming from (as in, is there more than the 'missed prod')?

I gewt the first half of this question, but I don't understand anything after the word "and"

No it isn't later yet, because your cases thus far have been so idiotic I am dreading actually having to read another.

Especially after other doing a 2-hour post I just made.

[Maruchan]

Oh and,

Tragedy, claim

Apparently Morthrax lynch isn't happening, we are nearing deadline (between 4 and 5 days now isn't it?), and I have intent to hammer.

[Maruchan]

Mod: can I replace out please? gunna site-wide flake for awhile.

[Maruchan]

Thunder did fantastic! However, there is NO WAY you should have let Maruchan live. This was just terribad and I am so disappointed.

Read nebie 1127 or somethign liek that.

I stayed the second-most-scummy player all game.

I have a talent for staying alive.

And 'grats to the scum team, you three (not me) did a very nice job. I kept up with the game for about 24 hours after I got my replacement just to see his playing level, and was glad to see I hadn't been replaced badly.

My worst regret, was having to replace out. Sorry guys.

(PS: I kept up with the scum-QT all game, was interesting to see the discussion play out in it)

[Maruchan]

EBWOP:

Glowball, I know I already PMed you this (to an extent) after I replaced out, but I am EXTREMELY sorry for how much I dug into you in both of our games together. I was unfortunately scum in both of them, and I had to take advantage of every bit of help I could, and your emotions proved to be a big advantage.

I really really want to play a game with you again once I have time, when we are of the same alignment so I can be nice instead of having to dig in on you all the time.


SORRRY!!!!!!♥♥♥♥♥

[Maruchan]

I stayed the second-most-scummy player all game.I have a talent for staying alive.

Mafia generally don't kill scummy players, so...congrats, I guess.

No I was scum. XD

Me and my scum-partner won that game, with me being on everybody's scumlist all game. There just always happened to be someone scummier than me.

[Maruchan]

Tis a true statement. People in my games are lucky I remember who they are. And if they change avatars? Fat chance.

[Maruchan]

Speaking of Mr.Trow, His cases on me still sucked even though I was scum. Jus saying.

@Thor, let me rephrase. as scum, I am hard to lynch. as Town, I am easy to lynch.