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Maruchan she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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DAMN IT I WANTED TO BE FIRST
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VOTE: saulres
this is the random VOTE stage! lets see some random VOTES good man!ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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Maruchan she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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What she said, I am curious as to your lack of RVS participation. I would understand it if you had told us you dislike RVS and therefore refuse to participate or something, but you said nothing of the sort, and even was the first participator of RVS in your first game on-site.
Just curious because I find scum usually like to save their votes until they see the most likely-to-succeed bandwagon before hoping it. (then again, conservative town hold their votes too, so I am not saying your lack of one makes you scummy)ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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saulres wrote:I didn't realize it was a requirement. I thought it was just a way to get conversation started. I thought RPing our trip through Germany could accomplish the same thing.
I would address your point about my first game on-site but can't because it's still ongoing.
/me reluctantly climbs out of the pool, towels off his RP, and joins the throng (not to be confused with joining the thong, which would be unsightly as well as uncomfortable).
Randomvote: lane0168because they haven't voted yet.
i loled. And sorry about the ongoing, I didn't realize it was ongoing. I just clicked your profile clicked your topics and saw you had one other game besides this one in it, ISOed you in it, and saw you did a RVS.
PEdit: ninja'd by glowball. Anyways I didn't realize it was ongoing, and for that I am extremely sorry. I am trying to work on mentioning ongoing games less (I have been told a few times I am toeing the line in various games ) If I had seen it was ongoing I wouldn't have mentioned it.
oh and I agree about the RP. its cutesy and all, but I just can't take it seriously. I like mod provided flavor over player provided flavor.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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Also, quick note:
@ Anyone Planning on Starting RQSI suggest not doing it. That is all.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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glowball wrote:What do you have against RQS? Not that I disagree, but I am interested in why specifically you are against it...
I have nothing against it personally, I just want to save an unsuspecting townie from getting attacked by a certain other player in this game.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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@Xalxe, Not trying to be demanding or anything, but would you mind terribly adding a "X needed to lynch" to your post counts? I would LOVE that <3ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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lane0168 wrote:VOTE: MARUCHAN
Doesn't like it if people dont participate in RVS, and doesn't like it when people do participate, or start, RQS. Whether or not someone wants to spew questions, the conversation will start eventually. Probably in the wrong direction.
if you had READ my post before yours, I LOVE RQS, and have STARTED it myself in the past. I just know a particular player in this game absolutely hates it, and will make a case against anyone starting it, that will end in their eventual demise.
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lane0168 wrote:@Nobody Special. what is wrong with knit hats? and why do you feel its a knit hat, and not a birthday party hat? i feel like its a birthday party hat.
SRQS (slightly random question stage)
Does everyone feel the same way about knit hats?
Is it a knit hat or a birthday party hat?
Ah well, I was ignored. Don't say I didn't worn you when RoboThor comes after you.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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Read right above your post and you'll see. One of our hydra heads.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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@Blowball, we have 1 hydra, RoboThor.
The heads are Robocopter97 (I may have gotten the # wrong), and Thor(insert random numbers here).
Thor is a big dis-fan of RQS and will build a case on those asking for RQS, I am trying to find a link to a non-ongoing game in which he does so, but all of his finished games seem to be crazy-mechanics in which RQS didn't happen. Will post when I find a link however.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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glowball wrote:Maruchan wrote:@Blowball,
THIS^
Should never happen again...
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Xalxe wrote:Maruchan wrote:@Xalxe, Not trying to be demanding or anything, but would you mind terribly adding a "X needed to lynch" to your post counts? I would LOVE that <3
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Wow Thor, how is it you have managed to avoid a game with RQS in like EVERY one of your completed games?!?
So anyways, I can't link you guys to any proof as in all of Tjor's (completed) Games I read (the first 12, I read the first 4-5 pages), RQS doesn't happen. BUT! I can vouch for the fact that when RQS DOES happen, he does not like it. I am just not allowed to show proof of this. -.-ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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Technically. thats what it is. They use flimsy ass reasons to serious vote, IE: they dislike some, they LIKE someone, someone is a terrible player in past games, someone is an AWESOME player in past games, their name sounds wrong. their avatar is funky, and so on. We just call it Random, because we don't want to call it "flimsy-ass excuse voting stage"ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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thunderwielder wrote:But I'm going to ask some that I feel are relevant.
1) What time zone are you in?
2) What is your experience playing Mafia (ie, how many games have you played, how long etc)?
3) How often do you post/How often do you expect to post?
1. CDT (Central Daylight Time, mid-eastern US)
2. 6 months of EpicMafia before getting myself banned whilst outting a cheater. 1 Completed game on-site, 2 games I have been killed/lynched from, and currently in 7, 1 of which is night, 1 of which is pre-game ans stalling, 1 of which is just plain stalling.
3. I expect to post at least once every page of the thread, if not half of every page, except for the 10-12 hours a night I sleep.
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glowball wrote:I generally find RQS fluff, but I will answer questions if they help....
1.) Always good to know- PDT
2.) You can always check the wiki for this information- fluff.
3.)NOT IMPORTANT
Not everyone has made themselves a wiki. Jus Sayin.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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NihilisticNinja wrote:I disagree with Maruchan's #21. Not participating in RVS voting itself is more or less a nulltell. Though voting is the typical way to get out of the RVS, there are plenty of people who dislike it, and feel there are superior methods. And meta on RVS participation is just silly. People change from game to game, and people change approaches on how to get out of the RVS and generate conversation. Also, nice fence-sitting there. Do you feel that saulres' lack of a RVS vote makes him scummy or not?
me wrote:so I am not saying your lack of one makes you scummy)
So you say not voting is a null-tell. Then call me saying it is a null-tell, fence sitting. Either we are BOTH fence sitting, or NEITHER of us is. Pick your Poison. (cwutididthat )
NihilisticNinja wrote:Also, I'm not sure I completely understand why you so thoroughly wish to stop any RQS, Maruchan. Why do you care so much about RoboThor jumping on anybody? Especially if you "LOVE" the RQS?
I am not at liberty to discuss this at the moment, ask me again in a month and a half.
NihilisticNinja wrote:After all, they could be scum anyway and therefore deserve the pressure, right?
Possible. However the odds are a townie will say it, as there are 9 townies and only 3 scum. Therefore I figured it helped town more to warn the townies that it hurt town to warn the scummies.
NihilisticNinja wrote:And interactions between RoboThor and the RQS-starter could give the town a good deal of information, no?
Oh I totally agree! Anything that starts interaction between players is a good thing (such as my telling you all to not RQS is doing). However it stops being as good when innocent townies get lynched.
NihilisticNinja wrote:Scum often ask generic questions like these, because it makes it look like the player is contributing, when they aren't.
I honestly do not believe the questions asked in RQS are any indication of ones alignment.
NihilisticNinja wrote:Vote: saulres
Ahh see, if I hadn't made my comment about RVS, Saulres wouldn't feel the need to ask about appearing scummy, therefore you wouldn't have your main case right now. Everyone always calls my actions scummy, but I do WHAT I do, because it causes interaction! Even if it sticks me front and center for people's attention ,and therefore scrutiny, most of the time, The interaction between members is worth it! This is the crux of my playstyle, and thats why I am so overtly-aggressive about the LITTLE things early-on. It puts pressure on those causing the little things, causing them to make bigger things.
NihilisticNinja wrote:In other news, liking glowball this far. Asking the right questions, pushing the right players.
[quote"BGlowball"]OF COURSE YOU LIKE GLOWBALL SO FAR- EVERYONE LOVES GLOWBALL[/quote]
(I'm sorry, but this has become an inside joke to funny to pass up)
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DAMN IT THETAG IN THE QUOTE NAME DOESN'T WORK. >:(ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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Nobody Special wrote:
It does, you just forgot the = sign.[s]Maruchan[/s]Ramen Noodles wrote:DAMN IT THETAG IN THE QUOTE NAME DOESN'T WORK. >:(
P-Edit: Well, okay, even with the = it doesn't work. We need to fix that.
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saulres wrote:Now, NihilisticNinja, to answer your question: Because I'm still trying to learn how RVS works exactly. It wasn't in the off-site game I played and was in both games I'm playing on this site. I'm trying to learn how it works for future games, as no one else seems to go through the same grilling I do over how I play RVS.
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Supreme Overlord wrote:
Eh, what you have to be able to balance is the risks of appearing scummy with the rewards of provoking interaction. Also, this looks like you're trying to take credit for the first 'real' vote. I doubt your post (which prompted saulres to vote in the first place) had a large effect on him questioning whether to change his vote later on.Maruchan wrote:Ahh see, if I hadn't made my comment about RVS, Saulres wouldn't feel the need to ask about appearing scummy, therefore you wouldn't have your main case right now. Everyone always calls my actions scummy, but I do WHAT I do, because it causes interaction! Even if it sticks me front and center for people's attention ,and therefore scrutiny, most of the time, The interaction between members is worth it! This is the crux of my playstyle, and thats why I am so overtly-aggressive about the LITTLE things early-on. It puts pressure on those causing the little things, causing them to make bigger things.
No? I think thats EXACTLY why he "sarcastically" asked about appearing scummy later. I said something he did is a possible-scum-action, and so he is worried about appearing scum. And no, I am not trying to take credit for the bandwaggon, whether its a BW on scum or town. I am just trying to show that my way of nitpicking every little post DOES bring interaction, and brings a lot of attention to me. Which if I was scum is a bad thing, so why would I so it? Iunno. Beats me. And I have to balance the risk of appearing scummy? Wait I thought we were upset with Saulres for caring about appearing scummy. So only scum have to care about appearing scummy.
We can't keep this double standards! Either we have to say that Saulres caring if he appears scummy is a SCUM tell, in which case my lack of caring is a null or town tell. OR we have to say that Maruchan's lack of caring how he appears is a null or scum tell, in which case Saulres' caring is a TOWN tell.
Pick one, you can't have it both ways. It can't be scummy to care while being scummy to not care.
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Okay. UNVOTE: RoboThor, VOTE: MaruchanMaruchan wrote:I like the vote though, keep em comin!
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How was I pushing it in my favor? in my examples I had a 1/4 possibility of it being a town tell for ME while it was a 1/2 chance of being a town tell FOR him, AGAINST me.
I don't see this as in my favor.
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saulres wrote:To maybe explain what I think about caring vs. non-caring:
If all the scum don't care, then they won't fight to stay alive, meaning they'll roll over and lose. So they have to care.
If all the town don't care, then they won't fight to stay alive, meaning they'll roll over and lose. So they have to care.
The way I see it, everyone who's playing for their win condition, at least in this setup, should care about if they're going to cause their side to lose by being seen as anything other than town. So caring is a nulltell, at least for me. And so is not caring, because it doesn't say what side you're on -- it just says what kind of player you are. One which is a detriment to their side.
Anyway that's how I see it.
UNVOTEbecause I'd rather play with people who are trying to win.
Vote: Marachun
OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS
oh wait, my vote is already on you.
So that would make YOURS the OMGUS. My bad.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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lane0168 wrote:[quote="Maruchan"=]WOOT WOOT THERE'S NUMBER 2!
and if explanation is needed, i feel the excitement for another vote this early (know probability states he wont get lynched) is starting to look a little bit suspicious. why, maruchan, do you feel the need to belittle 2 votes this atimately? if thats the word. sound it out, i mean atimately. i think. i mean chill,, unless you are trying to act like they are nothing when they actually are[/quote][/quote][/quote]
I am not downplaying them, nor am I trying to pass them off as nothing.
Votes come, Votes go
Votes on ME come and go much more often.
Should it worry me? Meh stick me at L-2 and I'll start to be a little worried. Stick me at L-1, and I'll tell you town is wasting their mislynch.
Will this upset me? Not terribly. My town flip will give the town information. They can go back and re-read the game with a confirmed townie, and therefore be able to take all the townie's reads, comments, and pointers at face value. This is helpful to town. The only thing MORE helpful is scum hunting, which I think we're doing by A: you guys pressing on me, B: the pressing happening on Saulres.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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glowball wrote:So right now SCUM POINTS for Maruchan and Saulres
So scum points.
For the two people
Voting on each other?
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lane0168 wrote:hey mr maruchan. yeah you. id like a little more effort for trying to stay alive as town. i'd really like it if you werent basically accepting a mislynch. you almost seem, i dont know what you seem, but i'd like it if you put it a little more effort towards staying alive, if you are town. thank you and come again. thank you for letting us know what you'll do at L-2 and L-1 though. at least we can know what to expect. if you are town. stop accepting being mislynched please
I can try to defend myself fro mthe first vote, but the second vote was put on just because I said to keep them coming, and the third vote is an OMGUS.
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Auckmid wrote:Soon after, Maruchan made it clear that he was against doing RQS. Still nothing that scummy.
I suggested against doing RVS, I never said I was against it.
However, soon after, Maruchan posts something radicaly different.
Radically different from suggesting to not do it would be suggesting TO do it. Radically different fro msaying I LOVE it, would be sayign I HATE it. I Am not seeing the radically different of which you speak
WTF? Right there you post that you "Love RQS", despite just a few post's ago sugesting that RQS should be skipped. How does that work? Your excuse is that there is a player (RoboThor, I assume), who will make a case against anyone who starts RQS, which will end in that players "eventual demise". Preaty lame in my opinion.
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Then, on post #54, Maruchan makes a very interesting post
Maruchan wrote:Technically. thats what it is. They use flimsy ass reasons to serious vote, IE: they dislike some, they LIKE someone, someone is a terrible player in past games, someone is an AWESOME player in past games, their name sounds wrong. their avatar is funky, and so on. We just call it Random, because we don't want to call it "flimsy-ass excuse voting stage"
I dont get this at all. Your saying that you strongly dislike RVS, yet you changed your vote at the beggining because someone was refuseing to participate in RVS. WTF? This is the post I find by far the most suspicious. If you dislike RVS, I would have thought that you could have related to Saulres, not started a Bandwagon against him.
I don't see where I said I dislike RVS, point it out to me please?
From there, Mauchan makes a big post#63. However something which realy stood out to me was...
Maruchan wrote:[[quote"BGlowball"]OF COURSE YOU LIKE GLOWBALL SO FAR- EVERYONE LOVES GLOWBALL
There was a bit of a quote error, but this seems an awful lot like buddying.(I'm sorry, but this has become an inside joke to funny to pass up)
agreed.
Me calling a girl a name that could be taken as derogatory, and which she specifically asked me to not call her again, is... buddying? Seems quite the opposite to me.
Then Maruchan makes a coment which feels even more like budying...Maruchan wrote:Nobody Special wrote:
It does, you just forgot the = sign.[s]Maruchan[/s]Ramen Noodles wrote:DAMN IT THETAG IN THE QUOTE NAME DOESN'T WORK. >:(
P-Edit: Well, okay, even with the = it doesn't work. We need to fix that.
i seriously laughed out loud at that. Thank you for making my day. ♥
Sorry for being friendly. I think you need to go meta me, to see that I do this all the time. Kaithnxbaigurl
The 2 buddying posts at the end may be completely un-game related, but I find Maruchan's inability to keep his story straight and his lame excuses about RQS highly suspicious. Even more so is his case against Saurus because he didn't participate in RVS, even though Maruchan posted himself later that he strongly disliked RVS. "Flimsy-ass excuse voteing stage" is hardly a term used by someone who likes RVS.
How does Flimsy-ass Excuse Voting Stage as a name have anything to do with liking RVS? I like RVS. I use flimsy-ass excuses all the time. Never said flimsy-ass excuses were BAD, I just said thats what they were. I like that you're trying to make something out of nothing here. Again with the RQS commen, wait till THor gets here and ask him yourself.
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lane0168 wrote:Maruchan wrote:Unless you're implying one of us is bussing, in which case, all you're talk about how my gameplay strategy seems out-of-place on Page 4, implies you think it would be OK in later pages. But you think a full-on bus is viable on Page 4?
again with the belittling? at this point you are belittling the possiblilty of bussing so early in the game.
right about now, i am going to buddy with maruchan when he says keep the votes coming on him. I FEEL he is playing the "trying not to care to much because if i do i'll be caught as mafia because i am mafia" card. so... i guess my RVS votes stayin steady
I think a full on bus is viable at page 1, with your RVS vote, and I also think my gameplay is viable at page .
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thunderwielder wrote:I just don’t want us to get tunnelvisioned on the first day, and leave some possible slips unnoticed.
Thunder is town.
thunderqielder wrote:And before I lay a vote down for Maruchan, I’d like to hear what Thor has to say and then re-evaluate based upon Maruchan’s fear of Thor driving someone into the ground. I’d have to say, after just playing a game with Thor, it’s a legitimate fear because he has a glorious beard and an even more glorious sense of pressure and reasoning. (And yes, Thor, I’m sorry, but this is the last time I’m going to complement you. At least until you catch me a scum. Because I don’t think I really need to build you up, and because I think it’s time for me to stop referencing you in every post I make. I think I’m just excited to be playing with a friendly Robo and Thor face who shall hopefully have my back this time and not be trying to murder me.)
Finally somebody with some sense! Follow the lead wait for the person I accused of disliking RQS to verify my story, before you call my story shit. Kaithnxbaigurl.
Nobody Special wrote:Concision is pro-town.
Concision?
NihilisticNinja wrote:Here, you indicate that scum like to save their votes until they see the most likely-to-succeed bandwagon. Since you mention this, it would indicate that you find his behavior scummy. Then suddenly, you say that you believe that conservative town do it too. You seem to flip, indicating initially that it's slightly scummy, to a null tell. If you thought it was null, why did you bring that up in the first place?
Yet I did it all IN THE SAME POST. I was laying out all the possible things saving a vote could mean, and AFTER explaining all they could mean, I then implied it was a null tell. If I had done it in 2 posts, consecutive, or way apart, I would agree with you and say that I am sitting on the fence. However, since I started it in one post, and ended that post with "ITS NOT A SCUM TELL", I would say I picked a side. The side saying it's not a scum tell. (apparently this is a three-sided fence btw. odd)
NihilisticNinja wrote:That's true with RVS bandwagoning too, no? By your logic, since there are 9 townies and 3 scum, should we not do RVS bandwagoning at all? That's a probabilistic fallacy.
I don't think you should take an RVS bandwagon to lynch no. Not at all. However building pressure on an RVS bandwagon is perfectly acceptable, because in an ideal vacuum situation with no variables, those with nothing to hide will not crack under said pressure, so said pressure will eventually disappear. While those with something to hide, WILL crack under pressure, in which case the pressure is a good thing. And once they've cracked and you lynch them, it is no longer a RANDOM vote, so I would no longer classify it as an RVS bandwagon.
NihilisticNinja wrote:That's true with RVS bandwagoning too, no? By your logic, since there are 9 townies and 3 scum, should we not do RVS bandwagoning at all? That's a probabilistic fallacy.
I actually do have evidence that this is a probable scenario, thanks. and you should read thunder's post.
NihilisticNinja wrote:For instance- "Do you like being town or scum?"
I totally agree with you. I like that question in particular. -glares to Thor-
NihilisticNinja wrote:Saul's votepost is bad, bad, bad. First of all, we should be looking for scum, not players that don't care. Also, one does not "cause their side to lose" by being seen as something besides town- it's not like Day 1= lylo, after all. Townies win as long as they side wins, regardless if they get lynched or not.
NihilisticNinja wrote:Besides, I'd argue that Marachan IS posting far too much and providing too much text in those posts, to be considered a player that "doesn't care about the game", bizarre implosion aside.
Thats because my words have been twisted. I don't care if my actions are scummy, cuz only scum have bad repercussions from looking scummy. When town looks scummy, if they get lynched, their flip helps town by being able to re-read as their confirmed town status.
NihilisticNinja wrote:Also, scum love to bandwagon players "for the good of the game", because that way, they won't be held accountable later on if the player is a townie, and can still get townie points if they flip scum. It's a win-win for them.
I didn't even think of that so far during this game ,but you're right.
Glowball wrote:Yeah Page 4 doesn't need all these lengthy posts, it kind of makes me feel like scum are overloading to look like they have more content than they do. It's really useless to type all that much, not enough has happened. In fact walls at this point are drawing my attention more negatively than positively towards those players. Walls are to be used when necessary...not frivolously.
So its a bad thing if the game actually STARTS being a game on page for, rather than on page 10? Its bad for us to start actual content early? ... Why exactly?
nihilisticNinja wrote:This (And NS's comment) is completely true. Walls are, if anything, anti-town. They flood the thread with words, which can cause disinterest in the town.
Oh. I Honestly did not know this. You can meta me if you want, but I have ALWAYS loves walls, and I love reading them too. Sorry. I will attempt to post less walls now, knowing that people don't like them.
Although I usually only post walsl in response to a wall that is usually pointed at me.
NihilisticNinja wrote:I don't neccesarily agree with that there isn't much "content" in said walls, but that may simply be because I'm the one that wrote mine, so I'm naturally biased.
I think it had a lot of content. I usually only reply to actual content and/or stuff related to me. So anything that I didn't quote (unless it doesn't relate to me) is about it that I think is content-less.
Nobody Special wrote:DO NOT DO THIS.
It makes it IMPOSSIBLE to read.
Learn to quote properly, and don't be lazy.
That is actually the first time I have ever done that, and I am sorry. Won't happen again. I was just trying to cut down on the length of my post by not putting a gazillion quote fragments in it, like this one.
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lane0168 wrote:thunderwielder wrote:
But I'm going to ask some that I feel are relevant.
1) What time zone are you in?
2) What is your experience playing Mafia (ie, how many games have you played, how long etc)?
3) How often do you post/How often do you expect to post?
1.) Central Standard Time. As in Minnesota, USA.
2.) This is my fourth game on the website. havent played in a few months. Otherwise i'd drop anything to play in real life
3.) If i have something to say everyday, i should be at my computer everyday after work. I stay in hotels during the week, so i have a lot of free time
Maruchan, please omit everything that is not absolutely necessary in your posts. is it necessary for you to quote someone and then respond with "concision"? absolutely not. especially when you know what they mean. half those quotes did not need to be quoted and responded on if not all
I don't know what concision means, I didn't even know it was a word. I was asking
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dictionary.com the words "bus" "WIFOM" "EBWOP" "buddy" "IGMEOY" "fos", or any of a million more.
tell me if it gives you a result that is comparable with the definition of said term in forum-mafia.
I already dictionaried it, and knew what it MEANT, I was asking what it meant in-context, because I wasn't sure if the definition I read fit in-context.
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Amrun wrote:-Nobody Special, why is sucking up to the mod a scumtell?
THANK YOU!
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Amrun wrote:That reminds me something I forgot:
How do you know Marucha isn't playing to win, saulres? Doesn't this rely on him being town.
Supreme Overlord pointed out thunder's hypocrisy. Why did you criticize saulres for not rvs voting If you don't haveout now, when we're well into content?
Just a quick comment I've felt like making on the whole "Maruchan playing to win" topic.
I am playing to win. Playing To Save My Ass, is NOT the same as playing to win.
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Amrun wrote:Maruchan, you should never aim to belynched unless you are a jester.
I am not AIMING to be lynched, I am aiming to win, whether or not I AM lynched.
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RoboThor wrote:Maru is tweaking at me, and otherwise it's useless.
Auckmid's "case" on Maru is super silly and is based on not understanding anything Maru has said. Not sure of the town/scum energy in that case though it is a bit opportunistic to my mind.
I think this about sums it up for anyone who was waiting to see what Thor had to say about my early-game play involving RQS and whatnot
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Oh I meant do this this awhile ago, but got caught up in defending my actions that I was no longer paying attention to my vote on others.unvote
@RoboThor, I will ISO NS later tonight or tomorrow and keep my eye on him and go back over your case on him. THen I'll get back to you on whether or not I agree with a lynch on him today.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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A hydra is two people palying from one account with one vote and one role PM. Basically it is a way to get a second opinion on the game, while having to work together to acomplish anything. Its a game-legal way to discuss the game with someone else. Some mods allow it, some do not.
The heads of our hydra are Robocopter97, and Thor(random number shit here)
They discuss the game with each other over PMs, QTs, or IMs, (I'm not sure which), and then post in-game their finalized thought.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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If anything I am in danger of scrutinizing and second guessing his reads because "Hey, its Thor" and Thor lead a rickety case on me that lead to my quicklynch D1 of a game when I was VT.
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saulres wrote:No, that is not why I'm still voting Mauchan. I've been developing a new theory from what I've seen posted here and currently I think he's scum, and I might also have figured out who his two scum teammates are. I just want to have my facts straight before I go accusing.
Interested to see this. I'd like a good laugh
Supreme Overlord wrote:OK, so what do you think of:
RoboThor wrote:All are town, and are also town to a point we strongly oppose any votes on them today and will mock you if you make them.
I don't think they deserve a laugh if a vote/case is made for them. I think any case deserves to be treated on its own and even if the case doesn't convince you of someone's scummieness, should still be taken seriously, as at least the case-maker is TRYING.
Thor wrote:Maruchan and I...buddy via hatred some more (mostly though, the hatred, if any, is one sided. I don't hate him...I do hate most RQS though)
I don't hate you, I just find it fun to pick fun at you. I'm truly sorry we lost you in that other game too btw.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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glowball wrote:Alright, this is a wall hidden by spoilers for bullet points on why Maruchan is scummy...
Spoiler:
God I really need to think out all my actions from now on. I didn't realize everyone on site were Psychology Majors. Good to know for future reference if I ever need psychological help. Butfersrs, no If you check my meta, I have a tendency to repeat things, so that everybody knows what I am thinking, when I am thinking it, regardless of whether or not someone else thinks it. As for distancing myself, due to the check-for-meta that revealed only 1 game, I was more explaining to the newbie why the RVS vote was of importance, since they are new. It was more of "this is why we're asking is because it could be this, but since you're just new I am not saying it is for sure that".
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Scum or not, the lack of caring, is a sincere lack of caring. I guarantee it.
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No no, I didn't say one of us had to had a town tell from caring/not caring. I said it could be null tells. Re-read please.
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The capitalization is my way of emphasizing. Sorry if you think it feels forced. if this were real life my capitalized words would be the words I exaggerate, with any of the following added in: eye-brow movement, overly enunciating, or holding the word for longer than it would take to actually say it. Thats why I capitalize. and I quoted, because that is my habit. when I see something I feel I need to address, I quote it and reply. Check all my games, that I have flipped scum or town in, and you'll see this is just me.
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So let me get this straight.... I am scummy because YOU ignored a question I asked you? As for your speculation as to how my mind works and why I didn't point out your lack of answer, that has more to do with the fact of 7 on-going games. I sometimes forget who I asked what in one of said games. Sorry I don't have photo graphical memory. But please stop playing the role of my shrink. I don't need one, and if you start pretending to be my shrink, it might disqualify me from the navy. X.X
glowball wrote:This is not to say that Saulres is off of the hook- he's just laid low recently, adding to his lack of scumhunting and I am considering giving him the BoD and not just assume that he's newbscum sliding by like I did in my newbie game. That being said, short of some crazy upset Maruchan or Saulres need to die today their flips will tell the most...
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glowball wrote:Maruchan- You spend the majority of the time you "talk" defending yourself. When you do scum hunt- i.e. the questions you asked me- there is no follow up. So yes, you are scummy because I ignored your question and YOU didn't bother to catch me on it. If you have too many games to the point where it will hinder your follow up and scumhunting abilities you should replace out of some and not join so many in the future. Your game load is not my concern.
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NS and Overlord...nah, I mean if you don't agree with my Maruchan case then why ask for my reads on others?
When I am gettign attacked in every other post I have to defend myself, or you all see a lack of defending myself as scummy. Please stop having double standards.
I don't try to defend myself, and I get called scum. I start defending myself, and I am scummy for to much defense. What do you want from me? 1/4 of every post I make has to be defense while 3/4 scumhunt? give me a template to follow so that my actions aren't scum, cuz am seeing no-way-out from this endless paradox you have decided to classify me in.
I don't find the games is hindering my play. I feel that being purposefully ignored when I ask a question and not noticing a lack of answer should not be my concern. I asked the question. You purposefully ignoring it is where you're in the wrong. I don't usually see townies ignoring peoples questions tbh.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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I'm "obviously online", no I am only half-online, online enough to post for people needing posts from me about me, not paying enough attention to go farther than that.
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Did I ever say I had to much on my plate? no thats your words. THanks for putting words in my mouth.
Takign a break from the site for 2 hours or so?
Uhm I was under the impression most people only VISITED for two hours or so a day. I am on 12-14 hours a day. I think I can take a break for an hour without it hampering my game.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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glowball wrote:Maruchan wrote:Did I ever say I had to much on my plate? no thats your words. THanks for putting words in my mouth.
Takign a break from the site for 2 hours or so?
Uhm I was under the impression most people only VISITED for two hours or so a day. I am on 12-14 hours a day. I think I can take a break for an hour without it hampering my game.
So let me get this straight.... I am scummy because YOU ignored a question I asked you? As for your speculation as to how my mind works andSorry I don't have photo graphical memory. But please stop playing the role of my shrink. I don't need one, and if you start pretending to be my shrink, it might disqualify me from the navy. X.Xwhy I didn't point out your lack of answer, that has more to do with the fact of 7 on-going games. I sometimes forget who I asked what in one of said games.
If the weight of your responsibilities hinders your ability to scumhunt as you indicated above by saying that due to the amount of games you are playing you forget stuff then you have too much on your plate. Yes those are my words, brought on by your excuses and I don't want to hear anymore of them. If you don't have time or desire to play or if your other games keep you from following up then you need to replace out. I will not accept RL excuses or even other mafia game excuses because all of those things are YOUR CHOICE and have nothing to do with THIS game. If you have problems/issues/commitments it's up to you to make that clear BEFORE hand not afterwards as an excuse.
I don't feel forgetting I asked someoen a question ocne seriously inflicts my ability to play by scumhunting. sorryShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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glowball wrote:And this is what happens when the game progresses at an alarming rate... L-2 on page 10. I am not ready for this day to end, but I am also not in the mood to unvote so I just ask that anyone even thinking of voting Maruchan hold their votes for more discussion.
I WANT EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS WAGON AND ITS PROGRESSION
"I don't want him to hang but when he does hang I want to make sure I'm not the hammer"
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glowball wrote:RoboThor wrote:My Thoughts == Why the heck isn't Nobody Special not about to die?
I can't support that Day 1, at this point if we lynch Nobody Special we will be back to square one in the next day phase regardless of the flip. I don't think that lynch is scum and I see no point in lynching a townie for no information, I mean besides the fact that YOU want him lynched. Which could be bussing or an honest mistake.
"I think he's town so lynching him won't give us any information, except you could be bussing him, which means he is scum even though I said he is town"
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glowball wrote:Maruchan wrote:glowball wrote:And this is what happens when the game progresses at an alarming rate... L-2 on page 10. I am not ready for this day to end, but I am also not in the mood to unvote so I just ask that anyone even thinking of voting Maruchan hold their votes for more discussion.
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"I don't want him to hang but when he does hang I want to make sure I'm not the hammer"
Thats what that post sounded like to me tbh
I am already voting so this makes no sense to me...
Maruchan wrote:glowball wrote:RoboThor wrote:My Thoughts == Why the heck isn't Nobody Special not about to die?
I can't support that Day 1, at this point if we lynch Nobody Special we will be back to square one in the next day phase regardless of the flip. I don't think that lynch is scum and I see no point in lynching a townie for no information, I mean besides the fact that YOU want him lynched. Which could be bussing or an honest mistake.
"I think he's town so lynching him won't give us any information, except you could be bussing him, which means he is scum even though I said he is town"
huh? I honestly am confused as to this post
But I would like to say BRAVO. You have basically sealed my vote. When exactly did I become your scum suspect? When I started questioning you? This is just you OMGUS placing arguments against me without a vote and trying to discredit me. You are a feeler.
Did I ever call you a scum suspect? No. I was telling you how I interpreted your posts, and why I didn't quite get them.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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glowball wrote:Oh and to address the bottom post- I was going through the scenarios for EITHER flip. If NoBody Special flipped scum or town it gives NULL information and turns into WIFOM which is probably why you didn't understand it..
Oh yes lets poke at Maruchan and pretend he is an idiot and doesn't understand basic concepts liek WIFOM.
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saulres wrote:Okay, here's my first scumhunting post this thread.
At the beginning of the day Maruchan and glowball teamed up, in that order, to vote for Auckmid during RVS, glowball not providing any reason. Yes, in RVS the reasons are meaningless, but here, there was none at all. This was quickly followed by Amrum joining the bandwagon.
Then, very quickly, both glowball and Maruchan jumped on me for RPing instead of RVoting. Once again, Maruchan's vote came first, followed by glowball's. After that they found numerous points to argue about, with the pressure being applied from glowball to Marachun regularly, until finally she voted for him, but only when it took him to L-2. His vote is elsewhere, but her vote is on him, and she's pushing for him or me to by lynched, but angling more for him than for me.
In Post 83, she mentions having used bussing very effectively in another game. Because in Post 56 she invited us to look at her wiki page, I did so, found that game, and discovered that in it, she and another mafia were bussing each other, with the other one applying all the votes and pressure her way, while she went in another direction -- a complete parallel to what we're seeing here, only with her role and the other scum's reversed in this game.
So the way I see it, the two of them agreed, along with a third person (we'll get to that soon) to bus Marachun while pairing him with a convenient townie scapegoat (which would be me for those of you keeping track), so that after the bus she could lead the charge against the scapegoat and look solid townie.
Yes, it's meta, and therefore might not mean anything, but it's way too coincidental for me. Especially when, for reasons I still can't understand and don't feel ever were successfully explained, Maruchan encouraged voting on himself.
Now the question remains, who's the 3rd? Amrum seems likes a good choice, given he joined their first bandwagon as I showed above. His vote now though is off somewhere else, on someone nobody has expressed a scumread for (lane). He could be planning to give the hammer vote, though, once Marachun's at L-1.
So that's my current triumverate of scum: Maruchan, glowball, and possibly Amrum. I heartily suggest we lynch Maruchan to see if this theory bears any fruit. As a side benefit, it should be easier to catch up on the reading.
I should now be able to keep up with questions, although work will still be especially time-consuming this week.
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EBWOP: Piece of advice, never make scum-team predictions on D1. Then when you get lucky and one of them was scum, you'll be inclined to think the rest of the townies are scum too.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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Nobody Special wrote:A question for Maruchan: Let's go back to your iso#29. Why is thunderweilder so very town? Do you not agree that scum could say the very same thing?
They COULD yes. But i usually see town do it rather than scum.
It was one of those off-hand remarks I have been seeing many of the members of the site making. I figured it was how most people played. When they saw a town-tell early-game on a null-read I have seen many people just pop in and say "Blabla is town", so thats what I did.ShowReturning to modding after a nearly two year hiatus!
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