Open 350: C9++ (Town Win!)

[VisceraEyes]

SUP RED! Who's scum bro? Besides kad...I think EVERYONE on the quicklynch wagon is equally to blame. I come in to every game and get called 'scum trying to look protown' by decrying quicklynches...this is WHY I decry quicklynches...because they're fucking stupid and lynch town like 99% of the time. Further, since they're usually just bored RVS lynches, they provide no information as to the alignment of those ON the wagon. It's all in all anti-town, and you guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
[/browbeating]

Now, I've read this game, as it's in Day 2 on PAGE SIX. My best guess for scum right now is Hoppster. He's not scumhunting, he's lynchmongering. Yes, it's true that if you just lynch your gut instinct, SOMETIMES you'll hit scum, but he's just trying to lynch for the sake of lynching and it's getting old and I want to see him hang.

VOTE: Hoppster

Oh, and HAI HOPPSTER! U SCUM BRO?

[VisceraEyes]

I do know how to play mafia. There's nothing superobvtown about you this game.

[VisceraEyes]

You haven't scumhunted at all.

You have ZERO actual content.

You haven't made a case against ANYONE, and you seem to be neglecting the case I made against YOU in this statement.

That's....to be determined.

So yeeeeeeah...go ahead and just slip that noose on and we'll get this shit rollin.

[VisceraEyes]

I concede that I missed your 'case' against pink. It's not a

good

case, but it IS the only case in the game. As far as content....meh. I couldn't help but notice that you refused to answer Twisted's questions, care to comment?

[VisceraEyes]

Also could you be less spammy? The last 3 pages are literally you double and triple posting because you think you're funny. You're not guy, you're insulting and demeaning.

[VisceraEyes]

Of course. Later scum. See you tomorrow. I hope we can hang you before you get a chance to respond!

[VisceraEyes]

PS, it's very anti-town to discredit someone by just calling them bad. Pro-Town players would A) explain why they're bad, B) try to understand what made them come to the conclusion that is so 'bad', and C) understand that not everyone is as 'good' as they are. I don't care who you are, how much content you have or how awesome your scum-dar is. If you just call someone 'bad' in response to one of their posts, you

automatically

get my vote. Why? Because it's anti-town and one of the easiest ways for scum to hide among the

masses

of asshole townies that exist in the world. I don't care where you're from, Mafia is 100% of the time a TEAM game. Townies are on a TEAM against the scum TEAM. Demeaning and belittling your TEAMMATES is a bad fucking way to play, worse than you're claiming everyone else is Hoppy. So by my estimation,

you're

bad. Real bad. SO bad, that I dedicated an entire post to telling you

why

you're bad.

[VisceraEyes]

No comment Red? I asked you a question, did you miss it? ICU LURKING BRO!!!

[VisceraEyes]

Yes Hoppy, let's reflect on all of this 'effort' you've put into this game, subtracting the Pink case and subsequent wagon.

I'm really bored. Let's speedlynch without asking for a claim again.

VOTE: kad2361

Whew, you probably worked up a sweat there!

He's probably town. Oh well, risks!!

Better wipe that brow bud.

not sure if srs

Stop it, you're making us all look bad!

not sure if srs

Seriously, we're gonna have to call in the union rep.

not sure if srs

All right, I get your point.

holy moly activity is terrible

approaching 24 hours since day 2 has started

just five people posted

TWO OF THEM WERE MAKING THEIR BAH POSTS

fffffffffffffff

and now Johhog is ill it's pretty much just going to have me not being completely sure whether Twistedspoon is being srs or not

No seriously, we get it. You don't know...

no wagon analysis from yesterday?

do you think there was scum on the wagon yesterday

if so, who was it?

fine, what direction do you propose we take now?

if there is any alignment-related knowledge to be gained from the mishap yesterday what is it?

don't blame me for not being sure if srs



p-edit: not sure if srs

...if...he's.....serious....Okay.

DING DING DING WIFOM-ING

Yes, please, by all means, simply discredit someone who's actually TRYING to play the game! No, go ahead! We'll all watch!

DING DING DING WIFOM-ING

Theeeere you go. Feels good I bet. Making someone ragequit by repeating the same thing over and over? That's not a scum tactic, noooooooo.

Why is it he can be bad town but not bad scum or even good scum trying to look like bad town?


Let me answer that for you: DING DING DING WIFOM-ING

Oh...we're doing this some more...

I'll let you choose my response.

Spoiler: A

BZZZZZZZZZT NOPE. Read the question, TRY AGAIN.

Spoiler: B

DING DING DING WIFOM-ING

Ooooh...ISWYDT.

k

K.

lol obviously not

please define WIFOM for me

I don't know HOW you get anything BUT this game done!

and while you're at it get your own head out of your ass.

you don't want to suffocate, that'd be a shame.

Because...really, all this player taunting has GOT to be a strain for you.

if you're stuck I hear that the wiki has a helpful guide for Newbies and also a list of abbreviations.

Not only that, but your friends must HATE us all here at MS for taking so much of your time and effort!

Bye.

Mod: Please consider replacing/mass-prodding all the non-posters while you're at it, paticularly the one or two who haven't even posted on Day 1

I hate all of you.


Sky, you should totally vot kad.

Back to these tactics. Neato.

fyi 10 x 0 = 0

Pressure for content = FORGIVEN!!!!!

Awesome, been a while since I got worked up/INSPIRED enough to make a post like this. Fuck sleep.

You want to dedicate a post to me? Only fair for me to return the favour.

Spoiler: Post

The reason I was so insulting was because I SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT THE OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS GAME TO BE MILDLY COMPETENT, and I was PISSED OFF. YES, PEOPLE MAKE POSTS LIKE THAT WHEN THEY ARE PISSED OFF. HINT, I AM PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW.

The less competent you are, the more work for me because I: a) have to pick up your share of scumhunting, and b) then have to distinguish between dumbtown and scum.

This isn't a Newbie game, you SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO READ THE FUCKING THREAD.


I HAVE PUT MORE EFFORT INTO THIS GAME THAN SO MANY PEOPLE, NO SHIT I'M GOING TO BE PISSED OFF WHEN PEOPLE SAY I'M NOT PROVIDING CONTENT

AND FOR YOU TO COME ALONG AND JUST IGNORE MY CONTENT AND MY CASE IS A FUCKING SLAP

AND THEN FOR YOU TO CALL ME SCUM WHEN I'M SO OBVIOUSTOWN IS A FUCKING SLAP

WHEN CLEARLY YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THE FUCKING THREAD

WHY SHOULD I NEED TO TELL YOU TO READ THE FUCKING THREAD

And now, to top it all off, even though I told you to READ THE FUCKING THREAD,

you obviously have arrogance-syndrome where you are struggling to come to terms with the fact that you were clearly

VERY BADLY FUCKING WRONG

about me being scum or providing no content or cases, and you have turned it into a policy lynch because OH BOO HOO HOPPSTER SAID SOME MEAN WORDS.

THEN YOU LECTURE ME ON FUCKING TOWN TEAMPLAY

WHEN YOU WEREN'T READING THE THREAD AND HAVE YOUR VOTE ON ME FOR REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO BE FALSE

AND YOU CONTINUE TO CALL ME SCUM WHEN

I CAN TELL FROM THE WORDS YOU'VE USED THAT YOU KNOW I'M TOWN

WORDS FAIL ME

I'm not perfect. I make mistakes.

However, I'm willing to accept when I'm wrong; you clearly aren't.



-elaboration on the TS stuff coming tomorrow-



p-Edit: YES THERE IS SOME SPAM (I GET BORED BY MYSELF IN THIS THREAD SINCE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE :HAPPYLURKING:)

THERE IS STILL SCUMHUNTING

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS

(THIS FUCKING GAME I DON'T EVEN

DO YOU ALL NOT CARE THAT I TRY WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE LURK

I COULD LURK TOO

BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ANTI-TOWN

The only bit of scumhunting I saw was when you asked Red and Con what they thought of the Pink wagon. What hilarious about this is that when Twisted asks you this, apparently it's some sort of obvious flaw in HIS scumhunting. So obvious that you won't even enlighten him as to why! OR ME FOR THAT MATTER!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

You've been on this site for a while, you should be used to the way early game goes. I've only been here for a few months and I'M used to how slow it moves sometimes (unfortunately). But I can assure you of this: I do NOT know that you're town. I don't know that ANYONE is town except for ME. Get that straight RIGHT FUCKING NOW. I don't even THINK you're town after all this BS. In fact, I THINK you're scum. I THINK you're caught scum flailing around. Obviously we'll have to wait until more people realize it before any of us can be certain (except ur buddies that is,) but we can have a pretty good idea. Especially if you continue to just 'LOLBAD UR ALL BAD I HATE YOU' everywhere...because yes...people are going to policy-lynch you for that. That is NOT what this is from me. I'm trying to lynch SCUM here today.

[VisceraEyes]

KAD BEFORE YOU GO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOUR SUSPECTED SCUM AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[VisceraEyes]

Oh Thursday...you've got time to explain yourself if you're town. Sorry for freaking out, I thought you were coming in here to claim V/LA and then disappear when people have votes on your for legitimate concerns about your alignment this game. Carry on then.

[VisceraEyes]

My bad!

Because he was all up in arms about activity, but all I remembered in my readthrough was his 'srs?' 'srs?' 'srs?' 'WIFOM' 'WIFOM' 'WIFOM'...so I thought I'd pressure him a bit. Turned out pretty well I think. *beam*

[VisceraEyes]

Come on confTown, speak with your votes. If you suspect me, put your vote on me. Otherwise, STFU!!! I don't care how big you type or how bold. You're an idiot if you think what Hoppster has been doing is 'contributing'.

Yesterday was a quicklynch, and the only bit of 'analysis' to be done on it is A) who started it and B) who hammered. Because 90% of the town is focused on Kad for the hammer, I'm looking at who started it. And I think I've found scum. If you disagree, that's totally cool...but stop acting like a fucking child. Stop chainsaw defending Hoppster, there's literally NO reason to trust him. On the contrary, he's one of the only people with sufficient reason NOT to trust him. A) he led a mislynch wagon and B) he's acting like a jackass to people who are actually trying to play the game. You now also fall into that second category, but you're confirmed town. So instead of thinking you're scum, I can just say

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR FUCKING ASS AND READ THE FUCKING THREAD YOU CHILDISH IDIOT! STOP DERAILING TOWN SCUMHUNTING IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY OF YOUR OWN!!!

[VisceraEyes]

^ ^ ^

People voting Hoppster: VE, redFF, Sky
Hoppster's 'Scumteam: VE, redFF, Sky, kad

What an idiot.

[VisceraEyes]

Oh Joh, you're so cute.

[VisceraEyes]

Hoppy, which is it: was your vote on Kad serious because his hammer was god-awful or was it Scumbait?

[VisceraEyes]

VisceraEyes

oh my word where do I start

how about here:

Townies are on a TEAM against the scum TEAM. Demeaning and belittling your TEAMMATES is a bad fucking way to play

^^^ this quote quite blatantly shows that he knows I am town.

It shows that you're acting like a prick and my point is that you shouldn't act like a prick because no one will listen to you. Clearly I was mistaken, but hey...we all make mistakes right?

Now, I originally read this as that he knew I was town and that he was probably town (because he is pissed off that I am belittling him), hence where I originally developed my arrogant/stubborn-town read (YES I DIDN'T MENTION IT THAT'S WHAT YOU DO IN MAFIA YOU DON'T TELL EVERYBODY ALL YOUR READS ALL THE FUCKING TIME).

HOWEVER

He has since denied knowing I'm town and instead continues to push me as scum. So, this means that he scumslipped by letting up I'm town. Good job, VisceraEyes!

No, I didn't scumslip anything because I'm not scum. I was giving you my opinion on the best way to find scum, being a prick NOT being part of that. Nice job, Hoppster!

I have thus concluded that he is referring to me belittling Twistedspoon, therefore when VisceraEyes flips scum, Eijolend (and I) are confirmed town.

No, I'm referring to you belittling anyone who questions you. Obviously that includes TS AND myself at this point.

Next:

Yesterday was a quicklynch, and the only bit of 'analysis' to be done on it is A) who started it and B) who hammered. Because 90% of the town is focused on Kad for the hammer, I'm looking at who started it. And I think I've found scum. If you disagree, that's totally cool...but stop acting like a fucking child. Stop chainsaw defending Hoppster, there's literally NO reason to trust him. On the contrary, he's one of the only people with sufficient reason NOT to trust him. A) he led a mislynch wagon and B) he's acting like a jackass to people who are actually trying to play the game. You now also fall into that second category, but you're confirmed town.

^^^ absolute gold.

I am scum because I led a mislynch? OH YES BECAUSE THOSE SCUM ARE ALWAYS LEADING MISLYNCHES AND TOWN NEVER LEAD MISLYNCHES THAT'S A FANTASTIC CASE

A++++ for effort though.

He then goes on to admit that it's basically a policy lynch because he doesn't like me.

A++++

Nice misrep. I wasn't saying that BECAUSE you led a mislynch you're scum. I'm saying that because you led a mislynch AND you're acting like a total douchebag, I see that as scum trying to bully town into doing what you say. You're calling anyone who's posted BAD...SO bad that you have to TEACH everyone how to play because this has 'degenerated into a Newbie game'. Except, you're not playing in a way that rewards activity are you? You're playing in a way that DISCOURAGES activity because if anyone says anything you don't like, you'll immediately either browbeat them for being 'lolbad' or call them scum. In either case, no one wants to post in that kind of fucking environment. Get over yourself bro. Your points are bad. Your methods are deplorable. I can't WAIT to see you hang.

Finally:

Yes Hoppy, let's reflect on all of this 'effort' you've put into this game, subtracting the Pink case and subsequent wagon.

^^^ also gold

"I'M GOING TO MAKE A CASE ON YOU (BUT BTW I AM IGNORING ALL THE POSTS WHERE YOU ARE OBVTOWN)"

And the 'case' is basically one arguing I have put no effort in, which is: a) wrong, b) not indicative of scum anyway, c) if it were indicative of scum there are so many people who have put in less effort than me, d) basically him not making any productive analysis at all, instead trying (and failing) to mimic my style of cutting attacks and he ends up looking like wounded scum. Awwww.

For future reference, if you want to try that again: my cutting attacks are used in the context of somebody being stupid or useless and by themselves do not make a case. So perhaps arguably your case makes me look useless (I don't think it does, but that's subjective) but to even the dimmest of folks it won't make me look scummy. That's why your case looks so terrible, if you were wondering.

What's funny about this is that the pink case was fucking AWFUL bro! Go back and look at it! It says 'He posts fluff. He's trying to look pro-town. He's scum!' Not only that, but it doesn't make you 'obvTown' in the least! Now, obviously he looked like scum with the self-vote that followed, and I bet you just about had a scumgasm. But your case itself was terrible. You lucked into bad townies quicklynching another bad townie.

This is the only point that I'll concede at this time. I intentionally left off the Pink case to see if you'd mention it. OH WOWIE!! LOOKIE! YOU DID! IT would be one thing if I hadn't said I was leaving off the pink case, but I SPECIFICALLY SAID I was going to leave off the pink case. Based on the TONE of this post alone, I'm willing to concede that you're actually putting in effort now. But you're still scum to me bro. SOOOORRYYYYYYY!

Nice try scum. Wanna do that again? This time without blatent misreps?

[VisceraEyes]

Enough said? I doubt it. I'll let town decide though. *shrug*

[VisceraEyes]

Are you calling me scum after one post?

HA.

HAHAHA.

HA.

No, what I meant was that I disagree with your opinion, I'm obviously not going to vote for myself, and I'll let town decide if 'enough said' is indeed 'enough said.'

[VisceraEyes]

Hoppster is doing a lot of...AtE? If I'm using my terminology correctly. Dude. Stop trying to make a big deal about your contributions. Sure, maybe you've posted a bit more content than others, but face it. This game is a place void of activity and content.

Also, I may be wrong with what has been revealed here and all but doesn't town still not know the amount of scum there are? Why does Hoppster think there is 3 scum?

Do not see case of VE scum.

Johog better explain his reasoning because gut reads aren't cutting it for me.

Oooooooooooo Busted! I looked it up, and with a serial killer, there can still be either 2 or 3. Do tell Hoppster, what makes you automatically assume there are 3?

[VisceraEyes]

Clumsy rolefishing? I don't even...

[VisceraEyes]

There isn't 3 scum. 3 is usually the assumed amount.

GJ on telling me how desperate you are though.

Honestly though, it just keeps going on and on. There isn't 3 scum huh? There could be! There's no reason to assume there are 3 scum in the setup, with an SK there are either 2 OR 3. I understand that you think I'm scum and therefor any attack on your biggest town-read (lol) is automatically assumed to be evil in nature, but please use your brain before you post stupid shit like '3 is usually the assumed amount'. I'm not making ANY assumptions. Neither should you.

[VisceraEyes]

Town Doctor. Well done bitches.

[VisceraEyes]

If Hoppy is town, he better lead you to a victory, cause you're doing it without me. I either die to your retard lynch or scum kills me overnight. Either way, it's gg for me. Signing out.

[VisceraEyes]

Fuck off. L-1. I could've been idiot-hammered, and don't you DARE tell me otherwise because it's happened once in the game already.

[VisceraEyes]

Your confirmed town is now in danger. I suggest you guys take this lynch VERY seriously.

[VisceraEyes]

Get on this Hoppster wagon or fucking fail. You're an idiot.

[VisceraEyes]

I don't. Hoppster is fucking scum.

[VisceraEyes]

So might you redFF. You haven't done a bit of scumhunting this game. I'd say quite a bit has happened, why don't you start giving rational opinions and not useless drivel?

[VisceraEyes]

In all fairness, red has been playing almost exclusively on a site that has 48 hour days. He's also pretty decent. I'm going to give him time before I commit a vote.

[VisceraEyes]

Hiraki, why are you intentionally attempting to troll me? I swear to god, Johog Hoppster and you are being intentionally abrasive to me and I'm not getting it at all. I've never even played with any of you. Is that it? Are you really so immature and cliquish that you automatically don't like me because I've never played in a game with you? Get over yourselves. I'm not useless, for one you seemed to have a scum read on me, so I was VERY helpful in YOUR 'scumhunting efforts' yes? And now that I've claimed a power role, you can either ignore everything I post or you can believe my claim and let me play the game with you. Because make no mistake...if Hoppster gives me sufficient reason to believe he's town, I'll remove my vote...but he's playing like a little kid. I think he's intentionally trying to alpha-male town and I don't like it. I guess by my decrying of his methods you could conclude that I'm also trying to lead town, but I'm just trying to bring civility to the table. We can get a lot more done by actually listening to each other than we can calling each other idiots and flaming each other.

Now, I think Hoppster is scum. I think he's scum and he's leading town around for mislynch after mislynch and I think everyone should try and understand where I'm coming from rather than write me off as useless and ignore my posts, actually read them. Hoppster is calling me noob, but I think he's just trying to discourage conversation.

[VisceraEyes]

redFF, you're giving up awfully quickly on this Hoppy wagon if you're town bro. Do you not think he's scum anymore?

[VisceraEyes]

No, I'd like you to give a shit about finding scum though Hiraki. You appear to just be flopping around doing whatever Hoppster tells you to do. Can you not think for yourself?

[VisceraEyes]

red and I DO go back, but that's irrelevant to this game.

[VisceraEyes]

Also saying your case is awesome does not make it so. Nice try scum.

[VisceraEyes]

Also its subject flipped town...as I will if you push my lynch. That's two mislynches that your 'awesomeness' has led town to. You're not even close to as 'awesome' as you think you are Hoppy. I think maybe YOU could benefit from a newbie game or two...probably not though because the newbie mods would kick your ass out of their games for being insulting.

You should NEVER leave F62 again.

[VisceraEyes]

I was trying to drag in some silly scum leaving myself at L-3 but you ruined it, oh well.

lolscum

(I'll assume you meant L-2 because you put yourself at L-3, so yeah.)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pinkfloyd

L-2

(OMGGGG I PUT HIM AT L-2 I FELL FOR HIS SCUMTRAP WHOOOPS)

1. Trying to look helpful/pro-town but actually being useless ("OMG GAIZ JOHHOG IS CONFTOWN NOBODY FORGET THAT")
2. Making posts to look like he's being constructive when he's actually just making useless blanket attacks that don't add anything ("OMG GAIZ ANYBODY WHO MAKES A L-2 ON PAGE 2 IS CONFSCUM TRU STORY"
3. I'm not sure whether this post was serious or not, but whether intentional or not Zeek-dude makes a decent point here
4. "OMG GAIZ U ROOONED MAH GAMBIT OH WELL LET ME JUST LEAVE MY VOTE ON MYSELF ANYWAY EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO POINT TO IT NAO"

Basically everything he's been doing is a pathetically transparent attempt to look pro-town when actually he's doing nothing at all.

There's also a cognitive dissonance between his "lol look at me lure some scum into putting me at L-2 hehehe i'm so awesome" and his "LOL RVS IS RVS NO SUSPECTS OR MOMENTUM LET'S ALL HAVE A PARTY"

A) This point, while true, is a null-tell at best. It's possible that he was scum trying to look pro-town, but it is also possible that he was just bad town not knowing how to respond to a d1 quick-wagon. (Oh look, town flip....guess that tell was null after all. Shucks.)

B) Actually, what it looks like to me is that he's concerned about scum being on his wagon...lo and behold, who swings in to 'prove him wrong'? Our friendly neighborhood troll, Hoppster. Yes, his actual comment was not only a broad and generally bad assumption, but that doesn't make him scum in the least. Yes, it's true that scum have been known to use 'blanket attacks', but so do bad town...and as you're so fond of saying (apparently) WIFOM WIFOM WIFOMing. This point is ridiculous, and again, another null-tell at best.

C) While Zeek's post that you link to has a point to a degree, the last TWO games that had self-votes were townies. Again, this point is null at best and you're really reaching with it.

D) This post and those after it read as a player giving up, regardless of alignment. As he flipped town, we can all agree that giving up on a game when one is being attacked with stupid reasoning and it working is a null-tell. At best.

Now, as you can see with my very clearly laid out rebuttal, your case is awful and the fact that it fooled town is absolutely mind-boggling. I certainly wouldn't have voted for pink based on it, but obviously you'll have to take my word for it because I replaced in AFTER the whole debacle.

[VisceraEyes]

last TWO games

that I played in

....my bad.

[VisceraEyes]

This game is a popularity contest between people trying to play Mafia and people trying to lynch NON-members of the Forum 62 community. This shit HAS to stop because one's membership of that forum DOES NOT DICTATE WHETHER THEY ARE SCUM OR NOT!

[VisceraEyes]

OH NOES!!! I CAN'T COME UP WIF A CAES SO I HAF TO INVRNT SCUMSLIPZ!!! HERP DERP

[VisceraEyes]

Okay, here goes. WIFOM ALERT!!!!

My guess is this: Hoppster now has to get results since his chosen mislynch fizzled out spectacularly. He's decided to bus. Since redFF was in his pool of suspects, I'm willing to bet that he's scum and that Hoppster is now bussing him to try and earn back that town-cred he used to have for...whatever reason.

red actually IS pretty decent at this game. I mean, I'm using the term loosely, but even still he's not exhibiting any of the better qualities I'm used to seeing from townFF. He's not posting in spite of a lot of shit happening, he's not asking questions or clarifying peoples' reads. He's just popping in to throw a meaningless comment in and disappearing again.

My preferred lynch is Hoppster, but at this point I could be very easily convinced to lynch redFF.

[VisceraEyes]

Meh...I don't care what you say anymore Hiraki. You're trollin, hatin, and your presence in town is probably going to cause us to lose. :*

[VisceraEyes]

I consider you all my friends...but I'm kinda a hippy. At any rate, now that you've 'taught me that valuable lesson' you think you can stop being utterly and completely useless? Pretty please?

[VisceraEyes]

Allow me to rephrase: Care to share your thoughts as they pertain to this game EXCLUDING telling me what a useless toolish noob I am?

[VisceraEyes]

This is a no-brainer guys. Hoppster is pushing an anti-town sentiment of 'YOU CAN'T TELL ME HOW TO PLAY! I DON'T NEED TO SHARE THOUGHTS WITH THE REST OF TOWN IF I DON'T WANT TO'. He's trying to lead town by bullying anyone who attempts to post something he doesn't like. His d1 case was horrid, yet somehow he thinks it's the most pro-town thing in the game. And now he's scumslipped that there are 3 members of his team. Hoppster gotta die.

UNVOTE: Hoppster
VOTE: Hoppster

Make it happen town. This is the best lynch for today in my honest opinion.

[VisceraEyes]

It's offsite, but sure.

[VisceraEyes]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmes ... rentpage=2

The axiom you have to follow on TeamLiquid is that d1 is spent arguing about what the best way to find scum on d1 is going to be, lynch a townie, then start scumhunting d2. The reason is that the days are a lot shorter there, and the scum get contact all through the game instead of just at night. I've started the filter at page 2 because it skips a lot of the pregame banter and gets into the game. Notice how he's actively asking questions and generating discussion. To be fair, there's slightly more to talk about because that particular game was a crazy setup in which everyone picked a role for someone else. BUT, his questions generally pertain to the game and help move the scumhunting effort forward.

I'm not seeing any similarities to his play this game. Perhaps he's changed as a player (this was a few months ago) but I'm more willing to bet that he's just lurky scum this game.

[VisceraEyes]

Who can explain their vote on me?

As for buddying with VE, it's not happening. 2 people on the same wagon. Holy shit. As if you people have never seen that before. If you notice, I have reasons of my own for voting Hoppster. VE just brought him to my attention. Someone said I mentioned I overlooked VE AtEing as well. Where does VE AtE?

But I'm inclined to believe Hoppster is more just one of those emotional guys. I'd say newb but I'm not really sure if he is one. With all his shouting and ranting I'm inclined to believe he just likes putting up shows.

Hiraki is a troll, let's not feed him.

redFF should not have fished for that role. That was bad. We were nowhere near a lynch. Alternatively, VE should not have claimed. Also, fake claiming in this set up seems fairly easy. But I blame redFF more here.

UNVOTE: Hoppster

I'm not going to place a vote on redFF yet. I don't want to see anyone lynched until the V/LA's show up.

VE, why do you think that redFF has been playing decently?

I don't. Quite the contrary. I think he's been making awful posts this game. I'm saying I've played with him in the past, and I've seen decent town performances from him. Granted, I've seen bad ones. But I've seen decent ones too, and this ain't it. His bad town performances typically boil down to "Hey guys let's lynch X" "Guys still wanna lynch X" "More X votes" ...Y gets lynched..."Told ya we should've lynched X"

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My View on the Kad situation.

There was no need to cut d1 short because 1 player is VI. The tone of the post where pink claimed scum is transparently attacking Hoppster's case against him. "I just had to" is not in any way a good explanation for the hammer. If he's town, I want to see some serious playing from him, though it doesn't seem likely. I find the hammer to be null, I can see bad scum and bad town quickhammering, and his explanation is indicative of both of those too. Coupled with his inactivity, I don't think he's the best lynch for today.

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GO HIRAKI GO!!!! THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!! FINALLY!

*sniff*

It is to cry.

VOTE: Sky

Okay Sky, let's hear it. You're no longer suspicious of Hoppster. Who ARE you suspicious of, and WHY?

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...or rather...

UNVOTE: Hoppster
VOTE: Sky

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*looks at the beginning of d2 and Hoppster's entire play until I called him out*

Yeah...and? I mean, he can call it scumbait, or whatever...but the fact remains that his very FIRST act in the day was vote for Kad. Bringing this up to me while I have a scum-read on Hoppster doesn't make much sense if you're trying to reason townKad with me.

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I'm wondering if Hiraki is so anti-VE because I'm attacking someone with a similar playstyle to his own...

Hiraki, there's a very big difference between what you're doing with me and what Hoppster is doing with the rest of town. You're intentionally flaming ME specifically because you don't like me or you think I suck or whatever. Hoppster is pushing anti-town agendas and is generally unconcerned about actually finding scum (in my opinion). Your post on Sky leads me to believe that you actually ARE looking for scum...that you're just being abrasive because you're abrasive. I think with Hoppster it's an obfuscation tactic...to hide the fact that he's actually fake-scumhunting and pushing anti-town agendas. Obviously YMMV (and likely does), but I thought I'd clarify that in case you just think I'm saying 'All mean people are scum, period'. That's just not the case.

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Hoppster, you're terrible. When this slot flips doctor, I hope town stops being retarded and actually kills ur ass. You're so obviously scum it's embarrassing.

Anyway, I'm done with this game....by which I mean I'm done with Hoppster. I've NEVER replaced out of a game, but this guy is fucking awful. GG scum.

Mod, please replace me.

For the record, I'm still doctor, and unless someone does something about Hoppster, town is still fucked.

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Awww, Hoppster...I like how you call me REALLY REALLY BAD except I nailed all the scum before I replaced out. Oh YOU! You're even stupid when NOT in-game. Good to know. GG town.

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I replaced out - I'm not trying to make any assertions about how GOOD I am at Mafia. I'm only making a case against how BAD I'm NOT at Mafia. But it's whatevs.

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Awww, Hoppster...I like how you call me REALLY REALLY BAD except I nailed all the scum before I replaced out. Oh YOU! You're even stupid when NOT in-game. Good to know. GG town.

>> Random.org every single game
>> BE RIGHT IN THIS ONE GAME OMG MY READS ARE PRO

This is (effectively) you.


>> Replace out because butt-hurt
>> BUT WAIT I ALSO HAD NAILED ALL THE SCUM!!!1111! (through random.org as alluded to previously)

This is (effectively) you.


>> HOPPSTER IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM BUT I'M GOING TO REPLACE OUT AND FORFEIT MY WIN-CON WHICH CAN BE FULFILLED BY LYNCHING THE SCUM I HAVE JUST CAUGHT ONLY TO APPEAR POST-GAME AND PRETEND I WASN'T COMPLETELY TERRIBLE
>> [call somebody else stupid]

This is (effectively) you.

your problem is you thought you ran this fucking town and had them eating out of your hand

yes and then you replaced in

>__>

I'm only making a case against how BAD I'm NOT at Mafia.

this case is almost as bad as your in-game case on me

(the scary thing is I'm only exaggerating by a little bit)

I gave reasons for all my reads, Hoppster. This is more of you just making up shit. Get a life, or learn to play Mafia.

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If you think you can handle the swings kuribo.

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He's like a flaky fucking hero.

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You might suffice.