Mini 586 - Blood Red Mafia - Game Over!

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I'm here. I'll read the thread then make a more meaningful post.

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Sorry, I don't really have anything substantial to add. I applaud Shepherd_of_Wolves's aggressive scum-hunting. I don't think there's such a thing as too aggressive in mafia and I find it Shepherd_of_Wolves' style refreshing after playing games with passive people.

I do agree that the caf/Coheed connection is weak but kudos for pointing it out (now watch someone point out a goborage/Shepherd_of_Wolves connection).

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Is it not possible that malth is a nervous Vanilla? or a Cop or something who it will harm the town to kill? Yea his statements are suspect but just because one is nervous doesn't automatically make them scum in my book. Hell if i had 3 votes I would be nervous too. No one wants to get killed, cos no one wants to lose.

I am wondering why you are so dead set and over zealously hunting SoW. To me that says a SK or a Scum, or it could just an excited townie, I dunno but I think we need to focus more on solid scumtells like Mac's semantics and dodging than we do what some otherwise townie seeming poster's reactions are to being bandwagoned.

again if Mac can convince me otherwise of his scummy/not scummy-ness, and I see more scumtells from Malth, I just might vote for him, but not yet. I am not convinced.

I'd like to point out again that there isn't such a thing as too much scum-hunting. The more discussion the better. What I don't like is your constant defending of everyone. I'm not saying this makes you scum, but you should let the accused defend themselves.

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@ SoW: Just curious, what do you think of caf/coheed right now?

@ DBE: After reading SoW's giant post I felt kinda let down by your defense.

Anyways if I had to vote for someone right now it would malth. I agree that he is suspicious and his lack of posting is really anti-town, particularly when people are directly addressing him. I'm going to hold off voting though until he posts.

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Bah leave me a lone. Do you seriously meta everyone for activity or am I special? I signed up for too many games and I like some more than others.

But as per request:

neutral-leaning scummy: malth
neutral: everyone else

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Geez talk about peer-pressure.

Wolves: A lot of finger-pointing but not that much commitment. Hasn't answered my question.

@ SoW: Just curious, what do you think of caf/coheed right now?

DBE: Defends others. A lot. But as Amor has pointed out, it is spread across town. Null-tell imo.

Mac: Springs a "trap" on his first vote. Not sure I buy it.

Amor: Hypocrite. Calls me a lazy poster after being prodded.

Malth: If I'm a lazy poster than he must be a hibernating one.

I seriously don't have anything to say about the others. It was a strain just to write this.

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Hey Mac, since I made a list how about you show us yours?

BTW the FoSs on DBE are not well-thought out. If DBE is indeed protecting her scum partners then it means there are 4 scum in this game (assuming I'm counting right). That would be a bit much for 12 player game don't you think?

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Hmm if I'm added into the DBE defense thing then there is a five-man scum team.

I think we need to agree on when defending another player is a reasonable and pro-town thing to do.

IMO:

Acceptable protown defending: Make sure the accused posts first. Don't defend someone else unless they are drawing fire (votes or a lot of FoSs)

Not-so-protwon defending would be the opposite. Defending the accused before they themselves post or jumping to someone's aid for no apparent reason.

Anyways I don't think my defending of DBE is scummy. She is drawing a lot of fire for what I believe to be poor reasons.

I also don't think DBE is scummy. Yes she falls into my "Not-so-protown" definition, but she turns it into a null-tell by defending so many people. She has also since agreed not to defend people so haphazardly. I think the newbie defence works here as well.

In summary, defending another player is not necessarily scummy behaviour. I think townies defend their ilk just as much as scum do (maybe even more so as scum may try to avoid making connections to each other).

An addendum to my list:

populartajo: seems very earnest in his attack on Mac

Riceballtail: parrot-talk up the ying-yang.

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Wolves: A lot of finger-pointing but not that much commitment. Hasn't answered my question.

@ SoW: Just curious, what do you think of caf/coheed right now?

Well, I answered your question that you took time to ask twice. What did you learn from my answer. What was the point to the question?

What do you mean, that I have "not that much commitment"? What shows lack of commitment to you. I vote were my main points are on Malthusis. He is the most scum player of all. What do you expect in commitment? If lack of commitment bothers you, then you should be all up on Darla's case. She changes her mind more than any other player on where her vote and suspicions are committed.

I was just pointing out that you're not particularly focused in your scumhunting. You drift from one person to another. An example of this would be the caf/coheed connection which you spent some time developing but have not talked of since.

But it's just an observation, I don't know if it's indicative of alignment or not.

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Agree with caf/Amor. I think a deadline extension would be appropriate seeing as how new replacements are here/coming.

Mod: Can we get an extension?

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Vote: OGSmokeDank

Why? First because it is the only established bandwagon and a lynch is better than no-lynch. Due to what I perceive as mass-inactivity, there is a very real danger of not getting enough votes to successfully lynch anyone.

Second because out of the three characters that have been widely deemed as suspicious (DBE, Mac, and Malthusius/OGSmokeDank), I would say Malth is the worst of them. I don't think DBE is lynchworthy for the reasons I've posted. The only spot I see on Mac is his early "vote trap" - he hasn't done anything I'd label as scummy since.

Malthusius is the worst of them. He has refused to answer towns' questions by simply leaving the game - very anti-town. OG hasn't posted a defense yet so maybe this vote will pressure him to do so.

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Vote: popular

I'm going to go with what I perceive as common sense (chances are scum wouldn't want to vote for their buddy). Of the two folks who didn't vote for malth, I'd say popular is the more suspicious of the two. popular's post after the lynch and his vote for DBE seem like a buddying attempt (to town and to Mac), especially after his determined and prolonged attack on Mac.

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@popular: I'll acknowledge there is a possibility that there are scum on Mal's BW but I still think it's way more likely that they are off it. To make it clear, yes, I think your behaviour is more suspicious than Darla's.

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Woops silly me. xofelf and Greasy Spot were also off the BW so they should be under some scrutiny as well. Of these two I'd say GS is more suspicious. Zero reasoning for the DBE vote. Plus there's the fact that he didn't vote for her yesterday.

@ GS and everyone else - is DBE any more suspicious now then she was yesterday?

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I don't think we should let GS's cruddy posting off the hook just because he has done it in other games.

Please be pro-town and explain your reasonings.

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My vote is still on popular but I wouldn't object to a GS lynch. Lynching someone for being anti-town is as good a reason as any imo.

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I'm with wolves on this one. Grease's annoying playstyle rivals that of malth's.

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I might be pointing out the obvious but:

1. GS hammered without allowing xofelf to make a final post.

2. GS only posts to throw out a vote on whatever the most popular wagon is at the time.

3. GS acts in a general anti-town manner with his lack of explanation for his actions.

I think he's today's strongest lynch candidate but I'll hold off voting to hear what everyone else thinks.

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Forgive my newbness, this is the first time I've played with a "miller". Just one question, aren't millers normally only seen in open setups?

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Ya miller really just seems like a headache for town. Anyways I'm willing to believe you for now. I still think that GS should be today's lynch.

Vote: Greasy Spot

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2.2 Do not quote anything that was privately sent to you in the thread. This includes pm, e-mails, aim-conversations or any other form of communication between you and the mod or other people you’re allowed to have off-thread conversation with.

Careful people.

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I gave some opinions about grease that I am still interested in hearing discussion on from him and the town.

I agree with all your points except for #4 - quite a lot of players don't scumhunt.

If you guys are into lynch-all-liars then GS's "hammer promise" should make you happy.

I'm with wolves; his case is very convincing.

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Well I can't prove she's innocent but I think her case is way weaker than GS's. From what I gather, the points against her are: defending lots of people day 1 (not scummy in my eyes), "vote-hopping" (no worse than GS and she did eventually land on Malth), and the claim (I don't think it's possible to infer alignment from it).

If there is anything I'm missing please point it out.

Even with all these points in one post, DBE still does not look as bad as GS.

Atm I don't think DBE is any more scummy than you. I read your D2 180 turn on Mac as an inconsistency in behaviour which is imo more damning than any one of the points against DBE.

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GS's defense is pretty bad imo.

"I was mistaken. I posted that in another game. Sorry for the confusion."

He admits he had no excuse for his hammer.

"I hardly call 3 votes "vote-hopping". My 1st vote on DBE was joining a wagon. My 2nd vote was on you cause you voted me. The 3rd was the hammer, need I say more."

Three votes in 5 (?) pages is quite a lot. It's particularly scummy looking when it's just to join a bandwagon. What kind of townie is so blood-thirsty?

"Shepherd_of_Wolves wrote:
[2] You robbed Xofelf the chance to plead her defense. And now we have one less town member. Town has no need to prevent the innocent from defending themselves, heck we allow everyone innocent or guilty the chance to defend.

Correct you are."

Lol where's the defense here?

Mac helping to lynch Malth doesn't automatically make him town. He could simply be selling his newb partner down the river to make himself look town. For a guy so gung-ho on Mac's guilt D1, I'm surprised you didn't point this out D2.

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Anyway, his play reads as "investigated DBE; guilty" to me.

I don't see it. Can you explain this further?

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I don't see anything resembling certainty in RBT's posts.

276 looks like a follow-the-leader type post.

289 RBT throws FoSs to two other people.

303 RBT makes another follow-the-leader post.

322 RBT makes coheed seem anti-town

I really don't think RBT had any info at all.

@Mac - So your pro-town list is Wolves, Amor and GS? I guess I can see Wolves but why Amor and GS?

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Thx CES. We need Greasy here.
Gob you failed to answer this question.

Gobo, what conclusions do you get from Malthusis coming up scum? Do you think Mac is more possible scum than town? DO you think Darla is more possible town than scum?

Neutral on Mac.

I don't think Mac voting off Malth makes him auto-town. However I also don't think that he's done anything damning. I suppose Mac's RBT post-analysis could be read as manipulative or conniving but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

From what I can see, the biggest point against DBE is her early defense of Malth and a good number of town. I'll acknowledge that this could be scum helping scum and mass-buddying but I think this could just as easily be newb-town play.

I'd say that DBE is scummier than Mac but not scummier than GS.

And before anyone tries to link DBE and I together, I would just like to say that I'd be willing to hammer DBE just to see her alignment and get info on the people BWing her.

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Your points against me are not "individually scummy", but are associative with DBE. You haven't proved that I am scummy independent of her. Why?

Basically he's been closemouthed, posting as little information as possible, and has made no real effort to figure out who the scum are, just gone along with a few cases where it was convenient, and ignored the rest of the game.

This right here can be used to describe GS, coheed, and possibly Amor. My question is why am I being focused on? Why haven't you asked any GS, Coheed, or Amor any questions? The only difference I can see between my play and the others is that I've been linked to DBE.

Atm I'm thinking your "scum-hunting" is rather selective. If you're using meta to defend GS (which isn't a great idea imo) you should be doing for me as well. There's a lull in almost all my games for the last month and a half or so due to school/work.

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Day 1 he was pretty useless for the most part. Had to be prodded hard by multiple players to get him to do something as basic as laying out what he thought about people, and even then he was extremely reluctant and gave very little information - basically giving everyone a neutral read. Discusses theory a bit, but makes little effort to actually find scum. Hops on the Malth/OG wagon when I started pushing for a lynch before deadline.

I think this is more indicative of playstyle than anything else. I would have made those posts regardless of alignment and the fact that you'd defend GS through meta and not me unsettles me. And how is my voting of Malth a point against me?

Day 2 makes the WIFOM argument that scum would be off Malth's wagon to vote for populartajo. Very convenient stance to take if both he and buddy DBE got on that wagon to be visible helping lynch scum. He basically lurks through all of Day 2, making a total of 6 very short, noninformative posts, and carefully avoids saying anything about the two main wagons of the day, DBE and xofelf. While his reasons for attacking tajo early D2 are not entirely bad, I don't like the WIFOM, or the fact that he then just sat his vote there the rest of the day without commenting on anything else particularly. He also says "lynching [Greasy] for being anti-town is as good a reason as any," making the implication that Greasy is a good lynch for anti-town behavior even if he's not scum. This argument always makes me twitch.

You dismiss my WIFOM argument with a WIFOM argument of your own. D2 I continued my stance that DBE was a bad lynch. And I didn't just park my vote, I was quite vocal that I disliked GS's play. Yes, I do equate anti-town play with scumminess. Look at Malth.

"no real effort to figure out who the scum are" - I think this applies to Amor. Amor's posts are more or less just comments on other developments or cases.

Saying that a statement of why you're scummy could maybe apply to others is a rather uninspiring defense.

This is as much a point against you as it is a defense. Until I pointed it out you seemed content to ignore and even defend other players who have committed the same acts that you have labeled as scummy.

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Heh. I guess I had DBE pegged wrong. I'm an obvious lynch but I still think we should take a look at GS's and coheed's play. The points against GS have been made already and he hasn't posted a satisfactory defense imo. coheed has not made a decent post all game. The most recent post he made was just parroting things that have already been said. In fact, parroting pretty much sums up coheed's play. D1's posts were just to vote for malth after the BW was established. D2 was the same deal except xofelf instead of malth. D3 had the lowest content of all. I don't think we should tolerate this D4. I'd like some original content from him.

@coheed: Who are the top two most suspicious people on your list?

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My only defense regarding DBE is that it was a misread. That and WIFOM. If I was playing scum I definitely wouldn't have defended DBE like I did. I'd bus her seeing as how so much of town found her scummy. In all earnestness, I didn't think her mass-defending was scummy, but I guess this shows what I know. Anyways expect a claim at L-1 from me.

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First off, I want to say, 2 of the three in my trifecta have come up guilty. I will reread the thread to see about the third. I think that defending one friend, then turning on the next scum could be very possible to change an appearance. But, for now, this is my concern.

Quotes from Goborage that bother me:

I seriously don't have anything to say about the others. It was a strain just to write this.

Scum strain to fabricate their pseudo-case on town members when not much has been said.

Meta me if you want. I've never made long lists of how I feel about players. If I do it in the future it definitely won't be on D1.

In summary, defending another player is not necessarily scummy behaviour. I think townies defend their ilk just as much as scum do (maybe even more so as scum may try to avoid making connections to each other).

Town do not know who their ilk are, unless they are mason or they have investigation results. Therefore, how can town defend town more so than scum?

It's just probability. Town is more likely to defend town just because there are more town than scum. If you're asking who defends more in general, town or scum, then I'd say it's about equal. Scum have plenty of reason to defend (i.e. to buddy, to defend partner, to look pro-town). And of course pro-town players should be defending the people they think are mislynches.

@popular: I'll acknowledge there is a possibility that there are scum on Mal's BW but I still think it's way more likely that they are off it. To make it clear, yes, I think your behaviour is more suspicious than Darla's.

This would be awfully convenient for town to believe for scum, if they both happen to be on it.

Don't understand this.

My vote is still on popular but I wouldn't object to a GS lynch. Lynching someone for being anti-town is as good a reason as any imo.

This anti-town accusation seems very ambiguous. "As good a reason as any" sounds like scum talk. Scum come up with any reason. Being anti-town should be seen by town as very scummy, not just as good a reason as any. We need solid beliefs in real reasons. Not just any reason to commit lynches.

I agree? You're not really disproving that anti-town play is a bad reason for a lynch. I guess you're just caught up in my wording.

Ya miller really just seems like a headache for town. Anyways I'm willing to believe you for now. I still think that GS should be today's lynch.

Vote: Greasy Spot

You seem to be the only one who believes Darla. Why did you believe her so easily?

Because my scum-sensors are way off.

Paraphrasing: I'm an Apothecary (a doc). Every night I can douse a villager in a concoction that werewolves find repellent. The werewolves will avoid being near this villager thus preventing any night actions against said villager. I win when all werewolves are dead.

N1 I protected SoW
N2 I protected SoW
N3 I protected Mac

I await your judgment.

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a) They were who I judged to be the most-town at the time.
b) Yes though I'm not entirely sure what those roles do. The Jack-of-Trades wiki is kind of vague. I have no clue what a martyr is.
c) No I did not think to do that. I thought that I should just lie low.
d) No clue. You'd have to ask the mod. Pure speculation: maybe there are 5 scum who only have one NK. Maybe there are some lovers in this game.

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Well I was satisfied with SoW's answer. I saw what I perceived to be as earnestness in his detailed, and thought out post (#164). Post 144 also won me over. As to why I switched on N3? I figured scum must have some aversion to NKing SoW (even though town opinion of him is so high) so I switched over to you. That and the fact that you led a wagon against two scum.

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Gobo, I dont understand why you protected SoW and Mac.
1. Why did you protect Mac N3 if you were thinking he could be scum?
2. Why didnt you protect me N1 if you were agreeing with me about defending Darla?
3. Why did you protect SoW N1 and N2, a player, that in that moment could have been scum and was against your theory of Darla being town?

1. Whatever suspicions I had were squashed by the lynch of DBE. Unless he's doing some massive bussing, I'd say Mac looks pro-town from his actions.
2. Sorry, you just didn't look as pro-town as SoW did.
3. Just because someone disagrees with me doesn't make them scum. As I've said before, SoW's play seemed very earnest to me D1.

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My choices at this time are Grease and Coheed. I will elaborate more later and decide my vote later.

I agree they're pretty much the choices if not gobo.

Overall I still think goborage's play this game, and his very firm links to DBE, are absolutely damning. He's done basically nothing to help the town, he was trying to keep DBE out of the noose, and DBE was protecting him all the way, even before he started really strongly defending her Day 3. The claim shouldn't be a clear all.

The other thing is, if not gobo, Greasy's name jumps immediately to the top of the list, in my opinion. The problem with that is that DBE was trying hard to get Greasy killed yesterday. Her play didn't read as distancing to me, but rather genuine attempt to lynch. If Greasy were her partner, that would be basically suicide, as she had to know she'd still be very high on the chopping block after that. This doesn't clear Greasy, but it makes me more skeptical than I otherwise would be.

I'd be willing to consider giving goborage a reprieve for a day, depending on his answers to tajo and I here - town is far enough ahead we can certainly afford to be a little sloppy at this point (let's not go overboard with that, though). At this point, while gobo, Greasy, coheed, and to a lesser extent tajo have all been scummy this game, goborage is the only one whose play doesn't give me at least one or two decent reasons to think he's not scum.

Well you might not like my play but it doesn't necessarily make me scum. The fact that DBE was defending me seems like an act of survival. She never really defended me anyways, she just said she agreed with my sentiments (which were anti-DBE lynch lol). If you notice at the end of D3 she stopped praising me after I suggested that she could be viewed as scummy.

I don't really know what's going on DBE's head (which I guess is pretty clear now). I can only speculate and assume she's evolving as a scum player. After being told to stop defending people she did. After defending Malth, she made the right (imo) move as scum and bussed Malth. Assuming GS is scum as well, I think that DBE made the right move. If the lynch went through then DBE would look pro-town for suggesting the lynch. If it didn't, DBE would leave little to no association with GS.

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I've already made responses to these points.

"The fact that DBE was defending me seems like an act of survival. She never really defended me anyways, she just said she agreed with my sentiments (which were anti-DBE lynch lol). If you notice at the end of D3 she stopped praising me after I suggested that she could be viewed as scummy."

"I figured scum must have some aversion to NKing SoW (even though town opinion of him is so high) so I switched over to you."

"Whatever suspicions I had were squashed by the lynch of DBE. Unless he's doing some massive bussing, I'd say Mac looks pro-town from his actions."

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My defending of her started all the way on D1. She wanted to make me look pro-town, and by association, herself. The only other explanation is a massive love-fest between 2 scum, which even the newbiest scum would avoid.

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Well you can't stop me from being suspicious of both of them but if I had to pick one I'd say coheed.

Coheed strikes me as someone who has a very superficial knowledge of this game. He's aware of who the big BWs but that's pretty much it. He doesn't really take a definative stance on either BWs D3.

Post 434:

Sorry, I've been busy lately, exams are really soon. I've been watching the thread though, and Greasy's justification of his 3 votes was horrible, it made me think he's even sucmmier, but I don't want to put him at L-1.

Darla's claim I'm also not sure about, I've never heard of the miller, and it seemed opertunistic to claim it because it would be a reason a cop would find her guilty. Very smart on her part to claim if she is scum.

The DBE lines in particular strike me as someone trying to distance themselves from their partner but not wanting to actually vote for them.

456 is essentially the same post. He just bad-mouths both wagons but doesn't actually take a stance on which is scummier. I think coheed is trying to leave his options open. He wants to be able to throw his vote (or appear to) on whoever town decides is most scummy without looking like a pure BWer.

478 is more of the same business.

I've convinced myself by writing this that coheed is more suspicious than GS and worthy of a vote.

Vote: coheed

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I guess the whole DBE not wanting to bus her partner arguments won me over (though I wouldn't put it 100% past her).

For coheed we don't need to deal with bussing as he never actually voted for DBE and DBE never voted for him.

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I don't see a need for mass-claim. Unless there are townies undecided by who the prime lynch targets are, I don't think claims would give town that much info. There's also the danger of mass-claiming benefiting scum and helping with their NKs.

@Coheed: We don't know exactly what JoAT does.

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QFT = Quoted for truth. Internet slang.

@ popular: No GS? Bussing isn't that hard.

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What response?

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Me not know.

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Shit, I rule. Protected SoW. Bow down please.

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Why are you raining on my parade?

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I am also leaning towards a GS lynch but I'll wait for him to post before I vote.

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Admittedly, I've had my eye on GS but you guys are making some good points about pop. Some things I've noticed:

Made @ start of D5:

Goboroge is the obvious play.

Now its true that if Gob is the doc then he shouldnt be lynched until later stages of the game. I know this. I even unvoted him yesterday trying to find out if he indeed was one. If he's scum then kudos, he found a decent way to stay alive until the endgame but it will be very difficult (but not impossible) to win this game with Mac and/or SoW around.

I don't like this. Much like my attack on pop D2, this is a 180. I'm glad you're starting to see my townness but I don't like the manner in which you've done it. I view this as pop caving in to pressure - 'people are starting to look my way so I better change gears.' "I even unvoted him yesterday trying to find out if he indeed was one [a doc]" - sounds like BS to me. At no point does pop take a definite stance on my claim. Up to his most recent posts pop continues to make scummy insinuations about me (it's like a never-ending barrage really) but is unwilling (why?) to place a vote on me.

Conclusion: we should be looking either Goborage or Coheed.

We have to decide between Coheed and Goborage. Nuff said.

I told you not to lynch Coheed.
Goboroge is the obvious play.

Anyone else notice a trend of pop flip-flopping and appealing to the masses?

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Hammer time.

Vote: populartajo

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I protected SoW again. TBH I think there's something odd going on. I doubt that I got 3 protects in a row.

I'm leaning towards there being another scum group without an NK. It's the only thing that makes sense atm.

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Well I was thinking about a balanced set-up. Only 2 scum with an NK in a 12 player game seems kind of unfair. My hypothesis is that there's a second group with end-game powers (i.e. endgame scum > NK scum if it came down to just those 4).

What does everyone else think?

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Explain what you mean if it came down to what 4. What exactly are you suggesting?

2 NK scum + 2 endgame scum = 4. I'm saying that the NK scum have to kill at least 1 endgame scum to win.

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Well my experience is that the NK is a scum team power not one that is assigned to a particular person.

I'm still thinking that the setup is two NK scum and two non-NK scum. What does everyone else think? I'd really like to hear everyone's position on the matter.

At the very least you guys should agree that 2 and 1/2 scum is not balanced at all.
2 v 2 v 8 makes much more sense.

@ GS: the points you raise are really old. I'm thinking that you're just bringing them up again because people are breathing down your neck. And isn't a big hunk of that a Mac post? Why are you taking credit for his work?

Lol @

Warning long post from Greasy Spot so don't faint or nothing that might hurt you.

Exactly what % of that post is made by you?

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OK here's my post explaining my actions.

D1: Replaced in. Got a really un-fun role. Wasn't surprised that 2 people dropped before it got to me.

This was my first game as scum and I really had no idea how to play. My first instinct was to lurk as much as possible and not to scum-hunt at all. For whatever reason I was really worried that I would accidentally find one of my partners. So I tried to just go along with the crowd and to avoid having strong opinions about other players (I didn't want to be locked onto one player, especially since there was a possibility I could find out he/she was my partner).

As a result, I really struggled to come up with anything to say D1. Most of my posts were fluff with a little bit of meta-talk. Until DBE made her defence posts. In case it isn't clear, I had no idea who my three partners were. I was being completely honest when I was defending DBE.

I left 1 incredibly subtle breadcrumb.

Post 151: "Bah leave me a lone." I was hoping someone would pick up that I know how to spell alone.

D2: I left another breadcrumb. During my early posting, I referred to Shepherd_of_Wolves by his entire name. I then switched to SoW in the middle of D1. D2 I switched again when I said: "I'm with wolves on this one. Grease's annoying playstyle rivals that of malth's." I was really hoping someone would pick up on that. Come on. "I'm with wolves".

D3: More of my complete misread on DBE. I believed her miller claim. Trust me, if I knew she was my partner I would have bussed her double-decker style.

D4: At this point I really thought I was screwed. There not being an NK made perfect sense to me and it was bad news. I did consider the idea that I had a lone wolf partner, but that really didn't help me much. My goal at that point onwards was to survive as long as possible and pray that I HAD a partner that knew how to be townish.

D6: I was actually trying to get Mac lynched today. My plan was to explain the lack of NKs by presenting the idea of a non-NK scum group. I was then planning on pushing for a Mac/GS connection or a Mac/Amor connection. Mac being the common denominator would be one of my main points.

This would get rid of any confirmed status and leave me with SoW, GS, and Amor. I would have tried to buddy up with SoW and get the others lynched. Of course Mac started on GS so that ruined the plan. I also didn't put as much effort today as I was planning on.

Anyhoo, interesting game. I'm really glad Amor was my partner. I played really poorly, particularly at the beginning. Too scared to scumhunt - lol.

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Holy shit there was another lone wolf? Wow, I thought I was screwed for sure there.

Good game all.

Seriously? I thought you of all people would see right through my claim and know exactly what I was.

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Lone wolves had no NK. DBE does your PM talk about recruiting the lone wolves? Does it talk about lone wolves at all?

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"However, if one of the wolves enters your house, you can prove you’re one too, and join their group."

WTH is this then?

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OIC. If you NK'd a lone wolf you'd fail and recruit him instead.

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I had just finished reading Hamlet so the word apothecary might have been hanging around in my mind.

Mac made this post: "Apothecary being a protective role would be correct, and somewhat fits flavor-wise, though the flavor on the method strikes me as a bit off. Apothecaries were more pharmacists than alchemists."

I remember wanting to post something to disprove Mac seeing as how an apothecary could make topical creams/unguents and how alchemy wouldn't fit at all but I stopped myself as it might have incriminated me.

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O wait Romeo and Juliet.