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I don't think it's any good to try speculate about SK until N1. Figuring out how many scum there are is a bit more productive, as it has sparked conversation.
Anyway, I would think that there's either three scum or two scum and a SK. We've seen from what last game that the roles can get pretty interesting.-
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My wording didn't come out right. 'Not good' in the sense that for the moment it doesn't help us much.farside22 wrote:
How can you say it's not good to speculate and then speculate?ShadowGirl wrote:I don't think it's any good to try speculate about SK until N1. Figuring out how many scum there are is a bit more productive, as it has sparked conversation.
Anyway, I would think that there's either three scum or two scum and a SK. We've seen from what last game that the roles can get pretty interesting.-
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Yes it does. What I'm saying is that no matter how much we speculate we can't know for certain until N1.farside22 wrote:
That doesn't answer my question. It is like Fosing people for FOSing. Your comment is contradictory to your post.ShadowGirl wrote:
My wording didn't come out right. 'Not good' in the sense that for the moment it doesn't help us much.farside22 wrote:
How can you say it's not good to speculate and then speculate?ShadowGirl wrote:I don't think it's any good to try speculate about SK until N1. Figuring out how many scum there are is a bit more productive, as it has sparked conversation.
Anyway, I would think that there's either three scum or two scum and a SK. We've seen from what last game that the roles can get pretty interesting.
Also, Walnut, the last two sentences in your quote aren't mine. But thank you for the link, nonetheless.-
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Every single word in a post could have a double meaning - especially something as cryptic as that.CF Riot wrote:
Hahaha. Okay I actually laughed when I read this. Not because it's a dumb guess to make or anything, I can sort of see you just being really observant and trying to take everything under the microscope. But no, I really was eating an apple IRL when I posted that. Sorry, I never guessed it could be confused as game related, I'll try not to post anymore irrelevant information during this game.Netlava wrote:CF Riot's post 71: I saw it as a doc breadcrumb, with apple being the trigger word.-
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He hasn't even made a post yet, and he's odd? [Other then confirming.]Walnut wrote:Day 1 has begun! A weird sense of deja vu comes with it. Hey, anyone think Blackberry is a bit odd?
I don't really see anything too scummy about the statistic, it just seems like a random piece of information. However, saying that it's tempting to put a random vote on charter doesn't seem random.CF Riot wrote:Still not random voting, although putting one in for Charteristempting. [= There's a 1/16 chance that Hadhfang would get mafia both games, assuming the number of mafia hasn't changed for this game. That's 6.25% chance he's mafia. Just sayin'.
Farside and Lord Gurgi have already matched the input from Near last game, so that's a good sign.
@Charter's contradictions: Everybody makes assumptions, and it's not that hard to believe that there would be three scum like last game. But, I don't like how you call on CF Riot for it when you've done the same.
How is posting an analysis post scummy? Unless this is some tell that I just don't know about?Blackberry wrote:I think Tinsley is mafia cuz he tried to post an analysis of everyone. And after what we saw last game.
It's hard to make heads or tails of this claim. Without any provokation, to make a claim? I mean, on hand it wouldn't be a good idea to fake claim when you intend to be replaced as it could create problems for the replacee. It seems a bit attention seeker, but I believe you about 60 %. :\Blackberry wrote:I might have to be replaced, as I am getting lazy in not only this, but all my games. I will stay in this game however only because I have a super-kick-ass role. I probably shouldn't mention that but I feel like bragging. I wonder what discussion this will bring up by me claiming I have a super-kick-ass role... lol.
Uh... I don't think this was a claim, but it sure seems odd. People speculate that it's a doc claim, but what good does that do him at this moment? He'd get NKed if that was the case.CF Riot wrote:I'd also like to add that I'm eating the most delicious apple right now. So good.
There seems to be a lot of what 'if's' in this post. I'm getting the feeling you're basically saying: 'Don't lynch him because he'll get NKed anyway.' I don't know whether this is pro-town remark - trying to go after someone else seeing as how he's basically sacrificied himself, or whether you're scum and trying to save your partner.charter wrote:Don't lynch him today and if he lives through the night lynch him tomorrow. Of course the mafia could always not NK him, but I see that as much more unlikely than him actually being mafia (if he lives). Saying this, there's no point in lynching him today, as there are probably two others, so I'll go ahead and
What do you think of his claim?farside22 wrote:
I wouldn't call what BB said a "claim" a kick ass role could mean anything.CF Riot wrote: And if we are letting Had live on the reasoning that he has claimed and could prove himself, why would we vote for BB whoalsoclaimed?
'Forced'? He hadn't really done that much to deserve to be lynched - his playing is due to him clearly losing interest in the game.Walnut wrote:I took more note of you saying that you were feeling lazy and considering being replaced. If that is the case, it is better for you to be replaced than the town to be forced to lynch you.
It's your last post in that game, you could at least give reasonings as to why you chose those people. Throwing out names is good, but a sentence just pointing something out [about them] would be better.Blackberry wrote:SCUM: Walnut
AND POSSIBLY: Macavenger
And of course you're always right.Blackberry wrote: I just wanted to note that I was correct on my accusations last game. So maybe yall should follow my accusations this game.
Or atleast pressure Walnut and Macavenger !
That was that game, this is this game. And, you seem like you've practically made up your mind. Also, I would also like to know the basis about bringing up the possibility of a SK.LG wrote:Hmm, I really want Netlava to defend himself first. He might be continuing on a suspicion from the last game. (I have suspicions about a number of players doing this) Did he hound you last game?
Still, out of everyone, charter is the one that seems the most suspicious to me. You are hypocritical and call other people out on being so, and that doesn't bode well with me.
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Yes... I was in the last game.charter wrote:@SG, were you even in the last game? References to it completely flew over your head, I don't know why you'd point them out and put trivial comments on them.
I'm going to do a reread when I get back from this weekend with my current thoughts, I'll beV/LAuntil monday probably.
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I'm so sorry for not posting in the longest times. I guarantee that I'll be posting more.
@Had's claim: At this point I'm not sure whether to believe it or not, but at the moment we have no way of proving or disproving it - he shouldn't be the lynch today.
Seems like you're lining up a lynch. Poor Had, if he's not NKed you're going to lynch him.charter wrote:Don't lynch him today and if he lives through the night lynch him tomorrow. Of course the mafia could always not NK him, but I see that as much more unlikely than him actually being mafia (if he lives). Saying this, there's no point in lynching him today, as there are probably two others, so I'll go ahead and
Lynching someone just to see what happens doesn't seem like a good plan just so we can speed it up and go to day two.Battousai wrote:we should lynch somoene else and see what happens. Come D2 if Had is still alive he can tell us who he investigated and the result. Then we can decide on whether or not to lynch him or somoene else.
Lurking on purpose doesn't help town.Battousai wrote:FYI, I was lurking on purpose to see who would say something and when.
I would say it's a null tell, really.Had wrote:Like anyone's going to get convinced by that Rolling Eyes It is a link, but since baddies benefit from pinning down townies to themselves, I would think that if CF Riot flipped scum, it would reflect better on had.
What did you think that BB's role was at this point?Netlava wrote:I think it's better if we save BB's role speculation for scum. I have an inkling what his role is, but I'm not going to reveal it.
He's solely scummy because he's trying to get people to vote for you?Hadhfang wrote: At the moment I think Charter is scummy, since he seems to be directing a lot of hs effort to get peopel to vote me, Admittedly that in itself ould just be very agressive play, but then he says my claim was
Well, you've already given the reason as why he hasn't given us any evidence along with the people he felt scummy - he was uninterested. As much I and everyone would have liked to have some insight on it.Battousai wrote:BB: Doesn't give this game much effort (reasonable as asked to be replaced), claims a great role out of the blue, and tells people who he feels is scummy, but doesn't give much of a reason why.
So does town.Battousai wrote:Tinsley: This is more gut than anything. He defends CF Riot, saying he is most likely town because he wrote a big post. Scum writes big posts too.
Trying out tactics just seems to be an excuse for lurking.Battousai wrote:The game was Akatsuki Mafia in Coney Island. Scum tried this tactic, but I thought I would try it myself to see if it has any value.
How is giving you a chance to respond an attack?Netlava wrote:That LG tries to disguise the attack as something else is what's scummy, not the attack itself.
Not really in favour of one emoticon being a response. A few words of courtesy would be nice.Battousai wrote:
Agreeing with you shouldn't be scummy, so it must be the attack on you and if that's the case, I see it as OMGUS.Netlava wrote:
I have the tendancy to take everything in mafia as serious. -_-charter wrote:Was away, don't have much time now, but I'll address this now.
The whole BB is odd... There were two or three obvious ones that weren't serious you quoted in your post and treated them as serious.ShadowGirl wrote:
Yes... I was in the last game.charter wrote:@SG, were you even in the last game? References to it completely flew over your head, I don't know why you'd point them out and put trivial comments on them.
I'm going to do a reread when I get back from this weekend with my current thoughts, I'll beV/LAuntil monday probably.
Can you elaborate on these 'references'?
@Had, I'll get to your post later tonight/tomorrow.
Mac says that you're making up tells to justify your vote.Netlava wrote:- Mac says accusation of LG was omgus and votes me for it
- Mac says I think LG is scum
Anyone notice the inconsistency here?
I don't see an inconsistency.
Do you mean in this game or opposed to other ones?Netlava wrote: Macavenger:
- Major shift in playstyle
Netlava wrote: Mac later explains that this is because it's common to assume the person is town. I assume people are town in general, yes, but not when it directly conflicts with my accusations.
Hm? But wouldn't that kill the Roleblocker?camn wrote: I thought about breadcrumbing something to try and draw a mafia Roleblocker or something.. but it all sounded too complicated in my mind!-
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My vote? -scrolls up the page- Oh. I thought I took it off.charter wrote:
Have you forgotten about your vote? You're currently voting me, but do you no longer find me suspicious?ShadowGirl wrote:Haven't forgotten about this game.
My top three list [in no particular order as of yet]
o. Battousai
o. Walnut
o. LG
I'm keeping my eye on:
*Had : What with the cop claim and all.
I ask because the deadline is fast approaching.
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Batt:
- Lurking as a strategy which he acquired from scum
I can understand the case against Netlava, but I don't see how the two other have earned spots on them.Battousai wrote: Netlava: Has basically tunnel vision of CF Riot. Outed the doc (he thought it was the doc at the time). Goes after LG for somewhat defending Netlava (gave an excuse for Netlava's actions), and completely ignores the post by CF Riot, not even touching the discrepencies and contradictions in the post.
BB: Doesn't give this game much effort (reasonable as asked to be replaced), claims a great role out of the blue, and tells people who he feels is scummy, but doesn't give much of a reason why.
Tinsley: This is more gut than anything. He defends CF Riot, saying he is most likely town because he wrote a big post. Scum writes big posts too.
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It might just be me, but I don't like how you're talking about who you're more likely to be partnered with.Battousai wrote:I don't get you Mac. You say you see a connection between me and Riot right? You also say you see Netlava as scummy (you at one time at least, had a vote on him). Now there is a possibility that ALL 3 of us is scum, but wouldn't it be stupid for me and Riot to try and get Netlava lynched, as to me it's not worth the risk to lose a scum partner day 1. So what I conclude from this is that the feeling of a pairing that you see between me and Riot is STRONGER than the feeling of scumminess coming from Netlava, no?
Also, I'm a little surprised that people think me and Riot could be paired, as I don't see it. I would see a much stronger pair between me and LG instead (I defended his SK allegations early, and LG sees some of my moves concerning Netlava as protown.
Netlava: Could you give me the post where Riot says that we shouldn't lynch BB and the post where he includes a possible bb/walnut scumpair?
And defending LG doesn't bode well with me, either.
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Netlava wrote: Will claim later if there's no chance of Walnut getting lynched.
You seem to switch tunnel vision from one person to another.Netlava wrote:Also, it's not too late to run up walnut.
I would think that with people waiting on a claim before they hammer you leads it be pretty inevitable at that point.Netlava wrote:I will claim. I'm just postponing it until it becomes inevitable that I will be lynched.-
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Thank you for asking me direct questions - my mind is a bit scatterbrained at the moment, but this way I can focus better.Tinsley wrote:ShadowGirl - What do you think of camn suspecting Batt most, but voting Netlava? Do you think Netlava's unwillingness to claim makes him more likely to be scum? What do you think about the case on Walnut, and charter's comparison of you and Walnut? We may be nearing the end of Day 1 soon, so it would be good to hear all your thoughts before then.
I'm not liking Camn voting Netlava even though she thinks Netlava is 'playing scummier' as opposed to Batt 'being scumimer' - though I can gather from her post she would rather Netlava out because it would grant her with more information as Netlava has been playing all over the place.
Hm, I would say Netlava's unwillingness to claim as a nulltell. I mean, being townie or scum you still want to lengthen the day and not get
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It's true, almost all he's done is fend off accusations - but he has contributed votes with reasoning. And I don't like how he talks about how he's so likely to get NKed. Getting NKed would mean that he's dangerous to scum somehow.
As far the comparison against me and Walnut - while he has been posting a lot with little content, I have been posting fairly little with little content. However, I truly haven't had time for this game before - though I do now as I'm currently only in two games.-
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Is it? I've never played a game with him, so I wouldn't know.Lord Gurgi wrote:
As far as I know that is Thesp's general playstyle.ShadowGirl wrote:Well, Thesp is rubbing me the wrong way with saying he is absolutely sure that Netlava, Tinsley and farside22 are scum. :/
It is clear to me that Netlava switched suspicion to Walnut when Walnut became the #2 target, to divert attention.
If Netlava were to turn up scum, would that clear Walnut? And if he were to turn up town?-
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I've said my though about the walnut case on post 418, I believe.Netlava wrote:@ Shadowgirl, what do you think of the walnut and netlava wagons right now? I noticed your vote is still on battousai.
As far as the case on you - I don't like the post about you wanting to lynch a claimed cop considering we have no evidence about it at the moment. And you seem eager dissuade everynne off you and look at Walnut, as if this will somehow save you - but then again, town or scum would want to save themselves. :/-
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I was busy. :/Macavenger wrote:If we have a vig, F- for not shooting Walnut last night.
Vote: Walnut
I do not envision this vote moving today unless Thesp has a guilty on someone.
While Walnut is pretty clearly the lynch today, I'd also like to point out that ShadowGirl's behavior is striking me as suspicious at this point. She lurked through a lot of day 1, maybe because she was busy, or maybe not. Either way, her larger posts struck me as mostly summarizing events in the game, not so much as scumhunting. I also don't like how she avoided commenting extensively on either of the large wagons, and left her vote uselessly on Battousai, where it wouldn't tie her to anything later.
I've acknowledged that I haven't been of much help in the past day, but I intend to do more now that I do have time and I don't have quite such a load of games.
And I have commented on the two wagons. 418, I think it was?-
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Er, what's PGE?
Hn. It is awfully convenient that your investigation target ends up dead, but then again - I don't disagree that he wasn't a good person to get more insight on. Still, I don't think that this instance warrants a lynch.
Well, he wasn't technically asking him what thinks - but why is that a tell?charter wrote: Walnut is definate scum. Another tell is asking Thesp what he thinks now...
I agree that it will be WIFOM, but it is still information - while we don't know motive at the moment, speculation now could help us later in the game. Isn't hearing from people nearly always good? Sure, trying to focus town is good and all, but stopping the free flow of thoughts isn't.charter wrote: Tinsley, speculating as to why Batt was NK'ed is the absolute dumbest thing we can do. ALL of it will be WIFOM and will lead to arguments the mafia will get townies lynched over.-
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Sorry everyone. I've been sleeping like sixteen hours a day and I want to sleep the other eight. Well, today I got a grand total of four hours of sleep.
No, she should not get a free ticket but with her claim - which I see is more likely to be true, I don't see any reason as to line up lynch when she hasn't done anything particularily scummy.charter wrote:Also, when should we decide what to do with camn? I don't think we can give her a free ticket through the rest of the game, especially when she's not doing a stellar job at scumhunting.
I see it as a valid question, if you were to get lynched this could be valuable information.charter wrote:
Looking for someone to kill off tonight? There is absolutely no reason you need to know this, but I know that I have no choice but to answer all questions directed at me. It's been Riot for quite some time. I only suspect three people, I think I made that pretty clear in my post 567, not the "lot of people" you put in my mouth.Farkshinsoup wrote:charter, you suspect a lot of people. Can I ask you who your top townie is and why?
Then just say you saw no point in responding it because you believe it was a loaded question.charter wrote:
I never saw a point in responding. What am I supposed to say? No, in fact I am scum?Walnut wrote:CHarter, it looks like you read the quote before, not the one following the colon:
Charter, you have not answered this question from post #623:
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A couple of people have given up on voting for you because they think you are playing too badly to be scum. I have not heard you disagree- are you swallowing that distasteful argument because it coincides with them unvoting you?
This is not being facetious or insulting- it is a genuine question for you.
Hm. This is interesting, but I can see how the whole 'too townie' thing doesn't work. Scum play in many different ways.camn wrote: 1. Macavenger. - Playing a perfect townie. Just how I would play if I were scum! Real townies make mistakes.
You seem to be doing the same thing, really - shifting around your vote on whomever you think you can get lynched so I don't see how you can Fark on it.charter wrote:Bah, it seems the LG wagon has lost all hope. I STILL think he's the most definate scum, but I'll settle for Walnut.unvote, vote walnut
Fark, trying to play off your frequent wagon hopping with legitimate reasons ("There's nothing scummy about being strategic with your vote to make sure that scum gets lynched (especially since we haven't even lynched one of them yet)") certainly isn't helping you in my mind. I would just use the defense, "I know I'm town, so I'd rather someone else scummy get lynched". It would have been much more believable than your trying to supply actual reasoning for the votechanging.
This seems a bit counter-productive. Wouldn't it be better to request a deadline after I come back?Lord Gurgi wrote:Day's gone on too long,Mod: Could we get a deadline?.
I'm noticing that both Walnut and Fark are voting for Tinsley now. I would say we should wait for ShadowGirl, but I don't think she would contribute anything to break us out of the petty arguments.
Then why not point them out? Or at least refute them of quotes of defense you already have on them?Walnut wrote:I have read the whole Mac post against me, and feel that there is nothing worth answering, as it is mainly rehashing, arguments based on incorrect assumptions, oversimplifcations and "you did <insert any role neutral action> so you are scum". If anyone has any specific questions from that, I am willing to answer them.
I don't see why you follow someone who you think is scummy onto a wagon. Unless you believe he manipulated you?charter wrote:Fark, I already tried following you on an LG wagon and it went nowhere, I'm not going to do it again since I don't see how it will be any different this time around. Unless someone else is willing to vote LG, my vote is much better placed on you.
My brain's turning to mush, but here's a list of all the people currently in the game and whether I see them as suspicious/see them as an appropriate lynch in order
LG: Maybe-Yes
fark: Maybe-Yes
Walnut: Maybe-Yes
charter: Maybe
Thesp: Pending tommorow's result.
Mac: No-Maybe
Tinsley: No
CF Riot: No
Camn: No
I'm with Camn on Walnut.
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I'm either way on a mass claim at the moment, but I'm leaning towards thinking it's a bad idea - we have two power roles outed, and I would think someone would have counter-claimed already?
While we could speculate all we want about whether there is a mafia roleblocker, we won't be able to tell until tommorow. Though, I can see that is possible and maybe probable - wouldn't mafia have some sort of power role to compensate? Other the assumption that the current claims are true - which I don't know whether they are.
Vote: Macavenger
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You won't answer to save yourself, but only if it will get Tinsley lynched? That just somehow doesn't seem right.
Well, considering it doesn't seem charter has too much intention to defend himself I suppose you should point them out.
Anyway, I shall likely be absent for tommorow - I'm going to the CNE and will probably be exhausted when I get back.-
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Your statement seems contradicting. I've done a 'complete 180' yet I still want to vote for the same people?charter wrote:In other news, SG has done a complete 180 on who she wants to vote for since she came back and posted her thoughts on everyone. It also looks like she was willing to vote for all those that were popular vote getters back then, and now it looks kind of the same.
Surely Tinsley's 'case' didn't persuade you that much... What changed your mind completely SG?
I've wanted to vote for you before, and I still want to vote for you now. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to point out...?-
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No, you're not at the top. I said I would prefer to lynch you over having a no lynch. You're still at the middle. Walnut has sunk lower down, as he seems to be in a little more protown in the last few posts. LG is second.
Mac, he's just... The whole perfect townie thing. I think his lynch would be informative - so would Tinsley's, but unless LG were to flip as scum I wouldn't consider Tinsley to be so.
@Mac: Why would two scum hop onto your wagon instead of one hammering Tinsley?-
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A little late, but:
How sure are you that he is town?Macavenger wrote: Having now seen that there is one, I'm willing to vote for Tinsley at deadline. While I think he's more likely to be town, his wagon doesn't look scumpowered to me, and would be superior to a no lynch.
I'll get to your other questions once my computer starts working faster then the snail's pace that it's at. Ugh, at least when I had spyware my computer worked fairly fast.-
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Haven't we discussed this already? If Fark is scum he can't kill Thesp. As doctor he should be trying to protect the cop. If Thesp turned up dead, there would be questions as to why he didn't protect him/Thesp is dead.
CF, why me and charter? You don't believe in the possibility of Thesp and Fark being scum?-
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