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uh oh tsq, they are on to us
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This looks like fake question to me because the implication was obviousIn post 34, Blitzo wrote:How so?-
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Check my post again, I quoted 34In post 46, Thestatusquo wrote:In what way is someone asking you to explain what you find weird fake?-
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What else would you have preferred I do, the "wagon" on me was because of a joke RVS vote.In post 85, OutWorldER wrote:Murdercat gives me gut feelings of scum from the way he dismissed the growing wagon on him-
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We didn't really talk about this after you understood what I was saying, do you agree that "How so" looks weird?In post 44, Thestatusquo wrote:
Don't like this post either.In post 43, MURDERCAT wrote:
This looks like fake question to me because the implication was obviousIn post 34, Blitzo wrote:How so?
I don't think blitzos question was "what do you think the implication of me saying this is" but rather "what do you think in that post is weird."
Which seems like a totally reasonable thing for blitzo to wonder about you voting him and saying the post was weird without further explanation.-
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Fair enoughIn post 92, Thestatusquo wrote:I made a post about what I found weird in their post. TBH the "how so?" doesn't ring weird to me compared to the rest.-
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Nah this kinda feels weird like you are backpedaling nowIn post 96, Gamma Emerald wrote:But I’m fully admitting the weak logic, and I’m willing to admit it was probably like 15% driven by wanting shea to trust me
Doesn’t exactly make me scum, no?-
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I did explain, the question looked fake to me. It looks fake to me because the vote had an obvious reason, I had done one thing so far, take my vote off tsq. Maybe I did it because I'm scum and didn't want to be on the wagon.In post 104, Blitzo wrote:Sorry, that's not going to work.
VOTE: murdercat
Implications mean nothing. Explain.
"Implications mean nothing. Explain."
This line of questioning doesn't follow at all from what you originally asked about. You wanted to know why I thought your post looked weird and I explained it in full. This pressure feels super fake.-
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This is such a scummy thing to say, "oh you don't have any real evidence, you can't prove I'm scum!!1!"In post 106, Blitzo wrote:I'm having a hard time taking my wagon seriously simply because the reasoning is either poorly thought out or nonexistent.
If someone could actually break down how I'm acting new or why that matters, that may help things slightly - I don't really see where that's coming from but maybe people are picking up on something I'm not? I just don't get it.-
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Are you curious why The Bulge just voted me instead of asking? It's because the reason for the vote should be obvious in context. So to me it looks like you are asking the question to look busy, not because you are genuinely asking.In post 110, Blitzo wrote:I'm still not sure what your original thought is on it or why it isn't worth questioning him on, but it seems like your scumread is based on me not actually wanting to talk to panzer.
This is how I figure things out, I poke and see what comes outIn post 110, Blitzo wrote:I feel like your entire line of thinking is based on something rather vacuous, and I'm still having a really hard time pinning down what you're doing - it's like you're trying to poke holes in something rather than trying to figure things out and it seems suspicious.
I liked how panzer and bulge voted me, it's exactly what I would have done. I agreed with Pooky's logic about gamma. I also feel like you are intentionally overstating the strength of my reads here.In post 110, Blitzo wrote:How are people like bulge, panzer, and pooky town already?
Gamma came in with a gut read and then immediately walked it back under criticism. If it's a real read why give it up so quick under pressure and act like it wasn't even real?In post 110, Blitzo wrote:The little I've gleaned off of your Gamma read is also mediocre - you've pointed out that he might have backtracked, which is a thing, but I still don't see why that matters or how that makes him scummy either.-
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I feel like you are being dense on purpose here? Here are my posts prior to the panzer vote on meIn post 112, Blitzo wrote:I fail to see why you're saying things are obvious "in context."
Spoiler: iso
If you can't see why it's obvious that my tsq unvote as a "wagon" was forming was the cause of votes on me I don't know what to tell you.
I didn't say you have to believe them but I literally gave my explanation.In post 112, Blitzo wrote:A lot of those townleans have said maybe two or three words and I fail to see how that justifies feeling any sort of way about them.
You can drop a read if you have an actual reason but walking it back just because people start to question you makes it look fake imo. If I said "yeah pooky actually isn't that towny you're right" would you just accept that?In post 112, Blitzo wrote:It also seems like gut reads are, by their nature, weak and baseless. What makes you think that someone can't drop a gut read under pressure as town?-
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Why do you think that?In post 119, The Bulge wrote:unless you're hoping for reactions, which judging by the list it doesn't seem you are.-
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I never made any claims about the strength of my reads or my reasoning though, which is why things like this feel fakeIn post 122, Blitzo wrote:In regards to point two, your reasoning is still weak.-
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Point is you are acting like you caught me in some sort of lie to push me when that's not the caseIn post 125, Blitzo wrote:I feel like this just invalidates the point of doing anything, ever. My reads are weak, so if people call them weak, that makes them scum.-
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this is what I was going to point outIn post 127, The Bulge wrote:although I myself did call you out on your list so I guess I'm chasing my own tail here
That was the goal yes, to see who engaged about it and how genuinely-
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I was considering scumlearn based on gut but when I actually looked at the iso there wasn't really that much there. They haven't done much but a lot of people haven't done much yet. I thought 64 was kind of weird but I do like that they are voting you and agreed with me about gamma. I could see it as scum coasting but there's not enough there more me right now compared to you and gamma.In post 134, Blitzo wrote:@murdercat - what do you think out outworld right now?-
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How I play 6 pages in is different from how I play 60 pages in thoughIn post 137, Thestatusquo wrote:This isnt super game related or anything but I think this is objectively a bad way to play mafia in general.-
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I guess I can't argue with that, but at least I can be sure my point of view is genuine whereas ~30% of everything else in the game is coming from scum.In post 141, Thestatusquo wrote:See the problem I have with that is it assumes that you are the one who is right.
And sure town can be irrational but what you have to look at is if the fact that someone is irrational increases the likelihood they are scum. Which I think it does, as scum has motivation to mislead.-
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That makes sense to me
I do find this useful though for understanding your thought processIn post 144, Thestatusquo wrote:But I'm gunna shut up about this because its just OOG theory and not particularly useful.-
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I know we talked about this before when you misunderstood me, but I'm surprised to see you'd still vote me now. I know you said it's not a strong read, but I'd be interested to hear your explanation if you don't mind.In post 147, Thestatusquo wrote:I've gotten minor scum pings from murdercat-
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I'm happy with my vote there for now, but i feel like often times the weird day 1 player ends up being a miselim pushed by scum, so I am cognizant of that.In post 160, duppin wrote:whats your read on Blitzo after your interaction?-
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I do feel like this is dangerous. Anyway I'm not convinced so going to continue to pressure. What would make me townread the slot is having some actual reads and doing some actual solving, versus the weird push on me that went nowhereIn post 162, duppin wrote:I'm actually leaning town on Blitzo. I agree with the sentiment his early play has been a odd but that's probably also why think it is more likely to come from town-
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I'm here, ask me about it thenIn post 174, Kasumeat wrote:Ah I missed that. Still don't like it.-
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I don't think it was a pure RVS vote as he had made a vote already. As I already established, I like to do certain things on day 1 to see how people interact with me about them. This is easier than trying to read how two different people interact because I know 1 side of the equation. Early in day 1 I find anything I can use to start content asap and that's exactly what panzer did (I think, of course he hasn't clarified). As I already said, I value finding other players who say or do things I was already thinking.In post 178, Kasumeat wrote: Why do you TR Panzer for a vote on you at that point? Looks like pure RVS to me.
I am referring to 80 93 and 94 which I believe are independent of anything Shea said. As I said, it followed my own line of thought upon reading those posts.In post 178, Kasumeat wrote: What logic about Gamma are you even referring to? He doesn't present anything information, rather he just agrees with Shea.-
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I really don't like this post. Null on Blitzo with no discussion of what people are seeing there. SR on me but for a reason that makes no sense. Outworld read is a bunch of words that mean nothing. "Very logic based" ??? Pooky null is fine. Gamma null is questionable. Bulge hasn't really pressured me? Kazu townread has no substance behind it. NM null is fine but still waiting for anything of substance. Duppin reasoning makes no sense, still no substance. Guesser read has no substance and doesn't make sense. Not having a read on Shea is really weird at this point considering his activity. This post is a whole lot of looking busy.In post 205, Noraa wrote:Blitzo's post 34 is overly defensive to what I perceive as a joke from Kazu(can I call you that?) Overall an interesting slot but they are in my null for the time being.
Murder sheeps Shea's(may I call u that?) opinions a shit ton. Zero evidence to back up reads ... in general. Also buddies shea a bit too. I'm not liking the look of it rn so I SR Murder.
Post 64 - I really like the way OutWorldER thinks. Very logic based and overall beneficial to town if town but very scary if scum. He can go into early town book for now tho. I don't agree completely with his views bc I think we don't have enough to be saying Blitzo is hard to read but the way of thinking is towny imo.
Pooky is hard to read. idk. null here as well as I understand this is their normal play style.
I still dk what BoP is soooo can I get some SE help around here in unfamiliar territory?
Gamma got into a bit of hot water but meh seems like typical gamma play here. I don't see anything funky so gammas a null for now.
Bulge putting pressure on Murder I approve of. Also Bulge gets +Noraa biased points bc they modded the first game that I won on site. Into my town book u go.
Post 121 - no pooky I won't be claiming 3p this game lmao.
Kazu's entrance are +++townpoints. reads very town imo.
Not mafia and Pooky are in the same "Noraa isn't capable of reading" category
Duppins posts are giving me such strong town pings, I'm worried he's scum. in the slight scum reads he goes.
Guesser's entrance could be townie in pointing out the absence of spam from me or scum setting me up to be limbait. Imma go with the first option for now.
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Did you miss my last post?In post 231, Noraa wrote:
oooo interesting. expandIn post 229, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: noraa
I actually dislike that entrance enough to do this considering there is no one else on Blitzo atm anyway and there is at least some content there.
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Your reads have no substance, so add some
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I think it's always more likely, but later on I like looking at associations and votes. But I need flips for thatIn post 248, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think I understand what you’re saying, essentially when the information available is low it’s more likely for scum to think differently to town?In post 140, MURDERCAT wrote:It has to do more with the fact that there are better sources of info later on. Early on we don't have much and the logic is that if scum is trying to push something fake it's more likely the case their arguments wouldn't make sense to me.-
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My vote was to pressure you and it's workingIn post 251, Noraa wrote:I "got defensive" after ur vote lel. u got the order wrong. U did some OMGUS and after that I got a wee bit "defensive" as you say so ur now using that to justify ur original OMGUSy vote-
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Is my post immediately before this one invisible or something?In post 271, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What’s wrong with it? And why is voting after a VC a bad thing wtf? That seems a mite self-conscious.In post 229, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: noraa
I actually dislike that entrance enough to do this considering there is no one else on Blitzo atm anyway and there is at least some content there.
Sorry for immediately invalidating the VC-
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In post 219, MURDERCAT wrote:
I really don't like this post. Null on Blitzo with no discussion of what people are seeing there. SR on me but for a reason that makes no sense. Outworld read is a bunch of words that mean nothing. "Very logic based" ??? Pooky null is fine. Gamma null is questionable. Bulge hasn't really pressured me? Kazu townread has no substance behind it. NM null is fine but still waiting for anything of substance. Duppin reasoning makes no sense, still no substance. Guesser read has no substance and doesn't make sense. Not having a read on Shea is really weird at this point considering his activity. This post is a whole lot of looking busy.In post 205, Noraa wrote:Blitzo's post 34 is overly defensive to what I perceive as a joke from Kazu(can I call you that?) Overall an interesting slot but they are in my null for the time being.
Murder sheeps Shea's(may I call u that?) opinions a shit ton. Zero evidence to back up reads ... in general. Also buddies shea a bit too. I'm not liking the look of it rn so I SR Murder.
Post 64 - I really like the way OutWorldER thinks. Very logic based and overall beneficial to town if town but very scary if scum. He can go into early town book for now tho. I don't agree completely with his views bc I think we don't have enough to be saying Blitzo is hard to read but the way of thinking is towny imo.
Pooky is hard to read. idk. null here as well as I understand this is their normal play style.
I still dk what BoP is soooo can I get some SE help around here in unfamiliar territory?
Gamma got into a bit of hot water but meh seems like typical gamma play here. I don't see anything funky so gammas a null for now.
Bulge putting pressure on Murder I approve of. Also Bulge gets +Noraa biased points bc they modded the first game that I won on site. Into my town book u go.
Post 121 - no pooky I won't be claiming 3p this game lmao.
Kazu's entrance are +++townpoints. reads very town imo.
Not mafia and Pooky are in the same "Noraa isn't capable of reading" category
Duppins posts are giving me such strong town pings, I'm worried he's scum. in the slight scum reads he goes.
Guesser's entrance could be townie in pointing out the absence of spam from me or scum setting me up to be limbait. Imma go with the first option for now.
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I'm actually getting frustratedIn post 279, Noraa wrote:Murder means to say "her reads don't match up with mine therefore they are scummy"-
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This is literally what I tried to doIn post 281, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly I think your own analysis of that post is pretty flat. You have like the same two things you say about her reads, “makes no sense” or “no substance”. It’s still early and Noraa is a newbie, maybe try engaging with her first rather than jumping to the attack?-
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You don't think that gamma vote is opportunistic?In post 285, Thestatusquo wrote:This last page and a half of gamma reads really earnest to me.-
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I was asking Shea but this still makes no senseIn post 290, Noraa wrote:
no not really and technically almost every single vote can be considered opportunistic if u think about it hard enough.In post 289, MURDERCAT wrote:
You don't think that gamma vote is opportunistic?In post 285, Thestatusquo wrote:This last page and a half of gamma reads really earnest to me.-
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Were you going to say anything else or..In post 299, Noraa wrote:
I mean that's not exactly what's happening here.In post 298, MURDERCAT wrote:Moving my vote from someone with no votes to someone else to no votes is opportunistic?
Because that is a factual description of events, so if there is some important context you think matters please share with the class-
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Even if not, it's still unclear what you mean by itIn post 301, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I didn’t mean that as criticism of youIn post 298, MURDERCAT wrote:Moving my vote from someone with no votes to someone else to no votes is opportunistic?-
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I think other targets would make more sense especially if I'm legitimately worried about be elimed as scum but ok sureIn post 303, Noraa wrote:Its opportunistic cuz the old wagon u were on died a long time ago. So it just looks like scum!murder looking for a new mislim target-
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Ohh you are saying that if you were being opportunistic you'd have voted Noraa? I disagree because there is a wagon on me, but I think I understand what you are saying now at leastIn post 306, Gamma Emerald wrote:I didn’t particularly see anything wrong with Noraa’s reads, but if I did it wouldn’t be a stretch to vote there for it, Noraa hasn’t exactly responded well to pressure so even if I did or did not press her first I don’t imagine anything would have made it not feasible to vote her-
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Aren't all scum reads fake? (Assuming 1 scum team)In post 333, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Ok but why would scum make a fake read in early day 1? Do you think you are getting shitpushed here?