I can't tell if you're serious or not, what's interesting about a game being 9p?
VOTE: Zulfy
Every post he's made is pure scum
I can't tell if you're serious or not, what's interesting about a game being 9p?
I'm not sure IIn post 13, nepenthe wrote:what’s your biggest strength as a mafia player? eschewing alignment, just focusing solely on self-perception.
I see what you're saying but I think the improbability of making any kind of attention-drawing playIn post 30, DkKoba wrote:He's apologetic abt it is where im having issue where there's a lot of self consciousness involved IMO
This is straining my credulity a bit.In post 57, lenora wrote:what is "town vibes" to you? i'm not sure how you came to this conclusion so quicklyIn post 17, DkKoba wrote:i think ur vibes are town so far chumbo :3
(also i just read over the rules and saw only 1 bah post is allowed so i'm sorry for my 2 opening posts without content, i just tried to send something that didn't go through so i wasn't sure if it was working)
Micro 956 is the game I was thinking of, where CreativeMod1 pulled this off to great effect (which is pretty impressive given the 2018 join date, but he's mostly active in Mish-Mash and I think it was only his second game of actual Mafia, with his first years ago). He even explicitly said he did this in 2638 after the game had ended. I called him on this and ended up getting eliminated for it while he lived on to win the game.In post 105, ben dover123 wrote:Such has happened before? I'd definitely like to see the game.In post 104, Umlaut wrote: I get the impression you've made severalI'm just a newb and I don't understand thingsremarks back to back and I'm concerned that you're deliberately playing up that angle. I saw town get burned by that in a game not too long ago.
I'm not sure if I want to derpclear lenora now that I know that she plays on ms. Derpclears are most effective on a genuine newbie, but not very good on someone who has played the game a couple times before.
Outrage is a pretty strong word for what I've expressed here. Does what I'm doing look like railroading to you?In post 108, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Also dont know if Umlaut is faking outrage over the newbie posts. I been burnt by newbscum before but I also got railroaded as a new player by scum because I was an easy lynch. I think Umlaut is a player that's worth keeping my eyes on
48 - confused about how to postIn post 113, lenora wrote:what posts of mine made you feel that way?
If you think Chumbo's scum why are you voting Fuzzy? Do you think Fuzzy's scum too?In post 118, Zulfy wrote:Chumbo's in the envelope
Clidd always does that, you learn to ignore it. (My working theory is that people whose L1 is a Romance language will prefer English words that look "familiar" to them, which are usually fancy Latin-derived words rather than common Germanic ones.)In post 172, DkKoba wrote:clidd ur using too big words and my brain hurts
You didn't say please!In post 217, Zulfy wrote:Umlaut vote fuzzy
Wow this read is terrible. I literally made a post proposing a townbloc of 3-5 which is "shrinking the pool" if ever there was such a thing, and the example you cite with Nepenthe and my continuing to say I townread them is literally the opposite of pushing back on softclearing a player. Why are you just making things up?In post 288, Cabd wrote:Here's what gut-pinged me in the Umlaut ISO.... it's giving me feelings of "annoyed that the pool is shrinking" from him. (BORKTELL!!!!) Feels like there's pushback on anything that could at all softclear a player on day one. For example, a player having great posts then not posting for a bit doesn't change the contents of those initial posts?
Pretty fence-sitty and "I don't know what to think" and can easily fit a scum agenda of not wanting to solidify a read one way or the other on one's buddy.In post 252, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Dakoba- the first few post of Koba were blah. 150 is okay I guess. I would like to hear what exactly the approach Zufy took that gave Koba the scum read. I like the pressure she is putting on Madisha here 159. I read Koba other posts and honestly, there was nothing there. I dont what to make out of her drop in quality
Day 1 started on January 17 so it should end on January 27.In post 1, Sirius9121 wrote:
Honestly this leaning-in response isn't what I usually expect from Mafia so this is pretty town. Hmm.In post 325, Cabd wrote:You're not that far off, regarding starting points. Umlaut is a gutping, and then I went back through the ISO to try and quantify what exactly was setting off the subtle alarm bells, in the hopes of feeling out other's reactions to the same points once highlighted and given daylight.In post 310, clidd wrote:start from the conclusion "Umlaut is scum"
I don't have a particular rock-townread that i can use to bounce thoughts off of, so "at large to the ether" is the next best thing.
Clidd accused Cabd of "starting with the assumption Umlaut is scum" and Cabd basically said "yes, that is in fact exactly what I did" where I think if he knew his case was a bunch of hooey his natural impulse would be to deny that.In post 342, ben dover123 wrote:wait what is this logicIn post 338, Umlaut wrote: Honestly this leaning-in response isn't what I usually expect from Mafia so this is pretty town. Hmm.
@Cabd, link pls?In post 393, Cabd wrote:Just came off of another Isis reviewed game where roles were explicitly designed to fuck with norms.
Which means here we DON'T want anyone counterclaiming, it is possible that there are overlapping roles, given how the NPOM game went down.
It's a bit late in the day to vote someone "for pressure," isn't it? Especially when you say that's what it's for. I don't believe I would feel any pressure at all from a vote like that.In post 449, Maduisha wrote:VOTE: Nepenthe
I think I'm actually going to place this here for pressure, I really want you to elaborate on your thoughts. And I believe a little back and forth could help us understand each other, if you are willing to engage with me here.
I was about to quote this to ask why scum!Fuzzy would explicitly invite counterclaims when Cabd was saying we probably shouldn't (because setup spec was likely not to work properly) but come to think of it this is a really weird thing to say. Aside from the whole thing being a bit confusing (what exactly is he saying would or would not be a valid counterclaim?) why should Fuzzy be expecting a counterclaim at all, when anyone who makes a serious cc ought to be scum from his perspective?In post 407, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I think cc are good. The only CC that should never happen is someone with investigational roles or protective roles. For example cops, doctors bodyguard. The exception being vanilla cop, neo cops, or such role. Roles where there another more powerful /useful variant likely to be in play, For example, there is likely an alignment cop in play so my death would be minimalized.
This is just, uh...In post 523, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Maybe I am wrong but Cabd's claim seems like a bluff or a gambit atp . if that is true I dont know if that makes him town or scum. I would lean town as it would be a wierd gambit /bluff coming town. His action does not seem to match up with what one would expect from a player with that role. I guess he could be a JOAT but I have my doubts atm.
Not quite. Fuzzy's (purportedly) a Neapolitan, so he gets a result of "Vanilla Townie" or "not Vanilla Townie." Your followup in 576 makes more sense given that you mistakenly thought Fuzzy could have possibly expected a vanilla result on Cabd, and I don't actually have a problem with voting Fuzzy in itself, but I don't think that's a good reason.In post 574, Maduisha wrote:So uh, if I understood correctly, Fuzzy can tell us whether Max is vanilla or not (with town PR and mafia showing as "not vanilla" regardless of alignment), while Cabd has an innocent result at hand. I'd say Cabd revealing who he got an innocent on is the best move here, while Fuzzy's result I would say is more tricky because we'd be narrowing the setup for scum if he is not faking it.
If you think scum!me ever kills Ben last night I need to know what drugs you're taking and where I can get some.In post 579, Cabd wrote:I'm honestly kicking myself in hindsight for not checking umlaut because it prolly would have been a guilty.
In post 584, Cabd wrote:"If you think scum me would do XYZ you're ABC" is like a meme now, my dude.
Friendly Neighbor is not the same thing as Neighborizer. I didn't reveal to clidd that I'm town, I just made him my Neighbor. 1-Shot Neighborizer is in my opinion barely a PR at all (I never really figured out what I'm supposed to do with a neighborhood).In post 664, Maduisha wrote:abd - Cop.
Maxwell - Doctor.
Umlaut - Friendly neighbour.
Fuzzy - Neopolitan cop.
...that's a good point.In post 686, Cabd wrote:Not least of which is that the "doctor's" target wasn't either of the claims on the board.
Well, I kind of agree that it's putting off a hard decision, but it's putting it off until we have more information, not just putting it off for the sake of not having to think about it. ideally tonight either Mafia helps us choose by killing a PR or we get another actual PR result (though we do have to decide which result is actual). By eliminating a VT we accomplish this much even if we get it wrong.In post 768, maxwell wrote:I think voting in VTs is just punting on a hard decision because you're afraid of getting it wrong, on a day where we're allowed to get it wrong. Ultimately, in a sam-town world, where does that leave us? Cabd claims a guilty tomorrow and you're left trying to sort who is fakeclaiming PR, still. Same decision we're facing down today. At that point do people finally consider maduisha scum? I sort of doubt it. Meanwhile if we eliminate one of us today, we learn that person is town, their read on their counterpart is good, their partner has tied themselves to them enough this day phase that they can be caught.
Hard disagree. If the PRs are all checking in the vanillas then scum's best plan is to keep all PRs alive and aim for town to eliminate the wrong one. If all Cabd targeting in the PRs does is force scum to kill one of them then that is already a useful service.In post 799, maxwell wrote:Cabd checking in a PR claim seems un-optimal, one of me/fuzzy highly likely gets shot in this plan and then the report probably isn't all that informative because the remainng living player is a presumed counterclaim, would think him checking in umlaut/mauisha/samantha (if we mis-eliminate today) is a better choice because it would force a teamIn post 792, Umlaut wrote:I don't understand why you're trusting me with a mech plan when you're closer to conftown than I am (the only way you're scum is if the team is exactly you and Cabd, and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense), but okay...
Assuming Fuzzy is town, he targets within the VT claims, obviously. Probably he should target Maduisha if we're launching Sam today.
Assuming Cabd is town, he targets one of the other two strong PR claims: that is, Fuzzy or Max. It doesn't matter which, a green check on one is as good as a red check on the other. In fact it's probably best that he (privately) flip a coin to minimize predictability, in case scum have something weird like a rolestopper.
Assuming maxwell is town, he protects Cabd tonight. This is obviously correct if we succeed in launching scum today, and if not then Cabd is still the one most likely to give us a definite result.
In case it's not clear: Say Cabd investigates you and says you're town.In post 818, maxwell wrote:To clarify my feelings on the investigation target for Cabd: it's more or less assumed that one of me or fuzzy is likely a counter claim to Cabd because otherwise the setup would be imbalanced, so him checking one of us doesn't change much, o the assumption we are incorrect today. Investigating outside PRs narrows down possible teams and makes people consider different worlds. If there's disagreement, fine, but I want to make my voice heard on that one point.